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Help and Support Forums => Aces High Bug Reports => Topic started by: Roscoroo on December 24, 2004, 02:32:48 AM
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they used to me easier to manage at take off lately a set of b24's it takes alot of throttle work to keep the 3rd one ... its getting tiring ... and old fast
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This has been posted as a bug at least 3 patches ago...still no fix. I’m beginning the think HTC may not think its a bug or they just have it low on the priority list.
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last patch was supposed to address some of it ... but even the b 17's are draging bad and really go nuts if you use flaps at alt ... then u just kiss the drones bye bye .. they dont follow at all ,,, and just fly off into the sunset.
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:mad: :-X
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I took this screenshot as my B24 drones formed up during squad night in the early hours of this morning (for me). :)
(http://www.flos.clara.net/storage/b24sformingup.jpg)
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Originally posted by Flossy
I took this screenshot as my B24 drones formed up during squad night in the early hours of this morning (for me). :)
It does happen Flossy... there IS a problem, Hitech said as much in a post to me. Today... same field, same takeoff parameters... 2 successful flights, 1 with loss of both drones. inconsistent.
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Try putting B24 flaps full down on landing and watching your drones go fishing, making a nice coral reef offshore.
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Originally posted by 6GunUSMC
It does happen Flossy... there IS a problem, Hitech said as much in a post to me. Today... same field, same takeoff parameters... 2 successful flights, 1 with loss of both drones. inconsistent.
Well, this is a typical takeoff for me.... as I have said before, I very rarely have any problems. I did see your reply before you edited it, btw.... thanks LOL. :lol
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Try putting B24 flaps full down on landing and watching your drones go fishing, making a nice coral reef offshore.
Never used flaps for taking off or landing in a B24 yet.... the only bomber I ever use flaps in is the Lanc... ;)
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i have a picture similar to flossy's, but at a higher alt.
it's at home so i can't post it now, but basic thing is i have NEVER lost a drone to takeoff in the past 6+ months.
i dont know what you all are doing different, but i can always make them form up nicely, within a few minutes after takeoff.
i full throttle auto takeoff, unless above 6k runway i retract flaps at the begining of the roll.
let plane get 100-200 AGL then nudge stick and manually take the plane, level it and chop throttle to 2/3.
turn on auto level, at 2/3 to 1/2 full MAN, and the drones are right on me in a few seconds.
full throttle up, hit auto speed to climb.
it only gets tricky when there is a hill in the way, then i use rudder turns, with opposing stick to maintain alt and angle, and the drones follow.
i never move the stick before the drones "pop out" of their auto takeoff. once the bank to form up (watch using F3) then do the manuevers listed above.
i did however have a real odd thing happen landing the other day. B24,s perfect straight approach, 3/4 flaps, gear down they both lined up behind me, their gear down, but never went below 300+ AGL. i touched down right in the skid marks on the runway, broke to a stop, they kept flying right above the runway until they blew up.
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its mostly when were doing squad runs ...
3-5 sets of buffs, the lead buff set ussually falls right in . the rest of us are fighting to get our drones to fall in .
yes we know all the tricks
flaps up/ level , pull throttle back , slam throttle to the wood , turn left (< this one works best as for its the left drone thats always lagging ) ect . sometimes it takes us over 1/2 a grid to get the drones inline and start our climb out.
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I've only noticed it on b-24 and lancs. but unless you throttle back and give your drone time to get out of the ground, you lose it 90% of the time. I'll haev to screenshoot it and place a pic on here, it happens way too often
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I have had the same problems with both the 24's and 17's. Lancs seem to cooperate fairly well with me. Havent tried the 26's. I just do what everyone else says, and can usually get the 24's to line up, but the 17's are still uncooperative. :confused:
Mystic2
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Yes it happens to me all the time.....
And yes the British bombers do better at this but they leak oil on the driveway and don't start when it rains......
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Almost never happens to me.
Maybe you guys could post a film of the incident, and me or Flossy might point out what you guys are doing different compared to us??
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it happens a lot if you use the auto takeoff feature. i'll see what i can do about recording and posting it.
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I have found that I leave my bombers set of flaps at setting one and roll down the runway and just before lift off I hit one more setting of flaps. I do nothing now, just let the planes take off and then when they form up which they will do just after they get some alt.
Then they will form up and all you have to do is hit X. Let the flaps come up on their own and then when down hit ALT-X for auto climb and you got 3 planes with ya..
:eek:
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ok...try this...i've never lost a drone.........no flaps......when your bomber starts to give a little lift...pull up and hold it till you get to around 200 to 250ft and hit X and wait for about 10sec (b17s, b24s, b26s,) and about 20 sec(lancs)then hit alt X...now switch to F3 mode and watch your drones.....they should form right up...if 1 starts to lag behind a bit i do this....while still in auto climb...throttle down to about 25% for about 10sec then back to full throttle and the drone will catch up fast......also try not to take of towards any hills if possable and dont turn untill drones are formed up...once the drones are formed up...switch to the front gunner then hit F3 and use the rudder to turn......GL
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Why do all that when it is just as simple as I stated? duh~
:eek:
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Originally posted by Bear69
it happens a lot if you use the auto takeoff feature. i'll see what i can do about recording and posting it.
So don't use the auto takeoff feature! :) I never use auto takeoff and never have a problem. Of course, it does mean a lot of rudder work to keep going straight on the runway, but that's all part of the challenge. :D And I only use flaps on Lancasters....
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I had a few problems till someone gave me the following suggestion which seems to work good. Roll full throttle, no flaps, get up to the 250 ft so the drones split. When they do pop out 1 notch of flaps and work your throttle appropiately. Havent lost 1 drone since using this method.
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call me silly, but fixing the feature would work too lol
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I don't agree that anything needs fixing! It just needs careful management on takeoff..... would be no good if it was too easy.... :)
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Originally posted by Flossy
would be no good if it was too easy.... :)
that is probably the most true and basic statement in this whole thread....
reading this post:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139192
got me to thinking, and i agree drones should be removed OR perked.
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I always go high when I fly bombers, so a lot of that thread doesn't apply to me - its mostly whining about the low-level bombers. So, why should I be penalised for going high with formations? :D
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Restate myself, Never have trouble on takeoff, landing is the pain.
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Originally posted by Raider179
I had a few problems till someone gave me the following suggestion which seems to work good. Roll full throttle, no flaps, get up to the 250 ft so the drones split. When they do pop out 1 notch of flaps and work your throttle appropiately. Havent lost 1 drone since using this method.
ive put the flaps down and i end up with lost drones when i turn ... this part is a vicious bug and it happens at any alt after the drones have been alined and ive flown a ways they still every once and awhile get the evil gremlin and they stay on there corse and wont turn .... and im talking about soft turns ...
what im saying is it doesnt happen all the time exspecially when im solo w/ my formation . but when ever my squad is up in them alot of us are having to to the drone shuffle.
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There is a problem with the FM for drones... Hitech admitted it in a previous post. They are revamping join up method for drones in TOD apparently. most of the time I have no problem. I recently upped 3 different flights of lancs from the same field, same runway each time. one of the 3 times I lost a drone. If I am using the same method (I was) I SHOULD get the same result (I DIDNT) I am not one of the low-alt bomber guys. When I fly bombers I plan out bomb runs with different targets, alternates, etc. I am waiting on TOD to see if this gets better... I am a patient person, but my patience wears a bit thin when I and others who have LEGITIMATE complaints about a product we pay for regularly, we post it in an appropriate forum, send in films and yet we are slammed by those who are fortunate enough to not have the same problem. There IS a problem, it was ADMITTED to by Hitech himself. I RARELY lose drones at all but when it does happen due to this bug it irritates me! I never had a problem landing formations until yesterday, and it was my first time flying AR234s in a formation... The approach was fine, then the instant I dropped my gear, the drones dirt napped for a loss of 120+ perks.
Like I said, I am waiting for TOD to see if the bugs are fixed before I comment on this again, but seeing people flamed on the board for complaining about a problem is ridiculous. This IS the appropriate forum for this sort of report.
For those who feel they have the perfect method... good for you! I am happy that your experience is a positive one. Remember though when you deal with computers with such a vast array of hardware out there and with each piece of hardware handling the data in different ways you can receive differing results. Just the latency of the memory in each of your devices in your computer can affect gameplay... that memory in your network switch that uses a store-and-forward method for example can affect your gameplay. thats just a TINY example of things that make a difference. So, instead of encouraging someone to quit the game, or flame them on the board simply sit back and see what happens. Tightening up the drones flight model or envelope might help solve their problem. When you deal with computers, you cannot ALWAYS blame the method of the user because most computers here are different and therefore to SOME degree the parameters of gameplay and the players satisfaction with gameplay is going to be different.
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Yet another method to enhance your bombing experience until HTC gets a chance to look at it. Everyone I have told this to has not had any problems after using these methods.
B-24s: If 50% or more fuel, extend 1 more notch of flaps as you start rolling. After drones split (250' AGL) and form up (which they will), retract 1 notch, and the last notch soon after, if the drones are not being left behind.
Landing for all bombers: Do not extend more than 2 notches of flaps. Do not extend gear until over the end of the runway. Your drones will land and not continue flying overhead and explode.
I trust this helps those having problems now.
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I almost never lose drones on takeoff and very rarely have problems with them joining up. I don't use any flaps or auto takeoff.
BUT, there's a definite landing bug. I haven't had drones land with me since 1-2 patches ago. Tried everything: flaps/no flaps, faster approach, slower approach, drop gear early, drop gear late, you name it. Nothing works. They normally break off on short final, fly past lead plane, and explode.
Jim (golfr)