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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on December 26, 2004, 03:39:56 PM
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Was arguing with my brother in law last night about the whole bush/kerry thing
His step daughter was in the Navy and he claimed that the navy takes out money from the pay of Navy personel for food when stationed on a ship.
Or in his exact words
"Deducted the cost of her food from her pay while she was stationed on a ship"
Is this true or BS?
I am assuming this is what she told him.
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What he is refering to but seems he doesn't have a full grasp of it though, is BAS
Basic Allowance for Subsistence (BAS)
BAS is meant to offset costs for a member's meals. This allowance is based in the historic origins of the military in which the military provided room and board (or rations) as part of a member's pay. This allowance is not intended to offset the costs of meals for family members.
Beginning on January 1 2002, all enlisted members get full BAS, but pay for their meals (including those provided by the government). This is the culmination of the BAS Reform transition period.
Because BAS is intended to provide meals for the service member, its level is linked to the price of food. Therefore, each year it is adjusted based upon the increase of the price of food as measured by the USDA food cost index. This is why the increase to BAS will not necessarily be the same percentage as that applied to the increase in the pay table, as annual pay raises are linked to the increase of private sector wages.
Because members are assigned to a variety of situations, some of which either mandate or prevent obtaining meals from a government facility, there are two types of BAS, each based on a differing personal circumstance.
So when he said she is being deducted pay for her food while on a ship, he is kind of correct. She really isn't having her pay deducted for food while aboard ship. In reality she is just not recieving her BAS since rations are provided for her at no cost while onboard the ship.
Hope this clears things up for you.
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Well, i'll put it this way for you, back in 96 when i was in, as an E4 onboard a CVN, during the cruise I figured that for 84 hours a week i was working ( 7 days a week 12 hour shifts for 6 months ) i was making exacly 1.5$/hour. So even if it was a regular job, i'd be around 3$ an hour.
Basically if you're single and without kids in the service, it's an option for the government to screw you. E4 with same length of service with wife and 2 kids will be making close to twice the cash as the single guy. I'm yet to see a normal employer offer twice a salary just because someone is married...
It's a stupid system designed to squeze the new kids.
Worst of it all, i thought, was that after bootcamp where you earn like 800$ in 2 months of hell, they charge you like 500$ for stupid uniforms you don't even fricking want... talk about a bummer.
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perhaps if you could explain it in laymans terms?
LOL
He was saying that she was having money deducted from her pay for food while she was stationed on board a ship.
Are you saying the BAS is a kind of a seperate account that is set aside for food and really does not effect the amount of money she takes home?
To me it sounded like she was taking home less money because she more or less ended up having to pay for her own food out of her pay
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ski:
A) volunteer service. If anyone got screwed, it was you screwing yourself.
B) Add in medical, room and board, and 30+ paid vacation days (not including holidays), free training and education, and you aren't doing so bad after all.
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Yep.... What Marlet said. :aok
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A sevice member (SM) gets his Basic Pay which is based on his rank and time in service.
There are other types of pay that a SM is entitled to. To name a few there are:
BAS: basic allowance subsistance
BAH: basic allowance for Housing
Flight Pay
Hazardious duty pay
Sea Pay
Just to name a few.
If your entitled to a certain pay or allowance it is ADDED to your monthly check. If you are not entitled to it, you just don't receive it. It's not like there taking anything away from there Basic Pay.
There just not receiving the extra entitlements which they are not entitled to for what ever reason. All you have to do is look at her Leave and Earning Statement (LES) and it would show you exactly what she is getting, what she is not getting, and what they are taking from her.
They may be giving her BAS on her LES and then deducting it, which may be why she thinks there taking money from her. When in reality they are just taking back the BAS that she is not entitled too.
Hope that made since.
If this doesn't make since, just give me a holler in the game on private VOX and I will explain it for you.
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very well put hondo, i couldnt of done that well myself explaining it.
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Thanks Killnu,
Sometimes I feel what I type doesn't come across correctly. Like my mind thinks one thing and then my fingers type another...LOL...I am more of a face to face kinda of a person than a writing kind.
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Was she an officer or enlisted? When I was in the Coast Guard officers did have to pay for their meals and they also ate better in the wardroom than on the mess deck(i.e. steak vs hamburgers). BAS and BAQ was normally given to personnel at a land station that lacked full mess and housing facilities. Obviously, at sea you don't have much of an option where you eat or sleep.
Most likely it was the BAS removal as Honcho explained.
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
A sevice member (SM) gets his Basic Pay which is based on his rank and time in service.
There are other types of pay that a SM is entitled to. To name a few there are:
BAS: basic allowance subsistance
BAH: basic allowance for Housing
Flight Pay
Hazardious duty pay
Sea Pay
Just to name a few.
If your entitled to a certain pay or allowance it is ADDED to your monthly check. If you are not entitled to it, you just don't receive it. It's not like there taking anything away from there Basic Pay.
There just not receiving the extra entitlements which they are not entitled to for what ever reason. All you have to do is look at her Leave and Earning Statement (LES) and it would show you exactly what she is getting, what she is not getting, and what they are taking from her.
They may be giving her BAS on her LES and then deducting it, which may be why she thinks there taking money from her. When in reality they are just taking back the BAS that she is not entitled too.
Hope that made since.
If this doesn't make since, just give me a holler in the game on private VOX and I will explain it for you.
Ahh now it makes sence.
IT wasnt one of the things we were arguing about but it was something that he mentiones within the conversation that sounded strange to me.
OF course according to him its all Bush's fault as is everything but the rainfall LOL but that is better for another thread
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Originally posted by rpm
Was she an officer or enlisted? When I was in the Coast Guard officers did have to pay for their meals and they also ate better in the wardroom than on the mess deck(i.e. steak vs hamburgers). BAS and BAQ was normally given to personnel at a land station that lacked full mess and housing facilities. Obviously, at sea you don't have much of an option where you eat or sleep.
Most likely it was the BAS removal as Honcho explained.
Enlisted.
She was in for a year or two and was going to be loading ord on planes Dunno what the exact title is.
Then she managed to get herself knocked up,have a kid and in the end managed to get a discharge
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The officers got different food than the enlisted? Man that's messed up. I mean I knew that they ate in a different room, which is also messed up, but I didn't know that they got better food too. Is the navy like that too ?
I thought it was fluffied up that people with spouses and children got paid so much more. Afterall, being a spouse or a parent is voluntary.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Ahh now it makes sence.
IT wasnt one of the things we were arguing about but it was something that he mentiones within the conversation that sounded strange to me.
OF course according to him its all Bush's fault as is everything but the rainfall LOL but that is better for another thread
Tell her 4 years ago single enlisted did not have a choice as to either get BAS or eat at the mess hall.
BAS usually equates to about $8 a day. It's nice to have but like tuition assistance its a bennny not a right.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Tell her 4 years ago single enlisted did not have a choice as to either get BAS or eat at the mess hall.
BAS usually equates to about $8 a day. It's nice to have but like tuition assistance its a bennny not a right.
Wasnt her that was B****ing about .
It was her lowlife scumbag stepfather AKA my brother in law
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Originally posted by Suave
The officers got different food than the enlisted? Man that's messed up. I mean I knew that they ate in a different room, which is also messed up, but I didn't know that they got better food too. Is the navy like that too ?
I thought it was fluffied up that people with spouses and children got paid so much more. Afterall, being a spouse or a parent is voluntary.
Well not really when you think about it. They were buying their own mess with their own money. Enlisted did'nt eat bad by any stretch of the imagination. I just used steak v hamburger as a metaphor. I remember plenty of lobster on Fridays, steaks once in a while, ect. Sunday brunch was the best! You could order just about anything you wanted from the galley. Of course after you have been out on patrol for 60 days the pickins got mighty slim. When they broke out the canned hams, you knew you would be seeing port soon.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
and was going to be loading ord on planes Dunno what the exact title is.
We called em BB stackers.:D
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The officers got different food than the enlisted?
not on submarines they dont :) we all eat the same food, but officers dont get that BAS where as enlisted do. all the same food though.
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Originally posted by Martlet
ski:
A) volunteer service. If anyone got screwed, it was you screwing yourself.
B) Add in medical, room and board, and 30+ paid vacation days (not including holidays), free training and education, and you aren't doing so bad after all.
A - you're right, absolutelly true.
B - you must be smoking crack. Within 6 months of leaving the service i had 4x the pay ( and that's counting the pay with BAS and all the other allowances ), full medical insurance, univesity for free, 401k, free training education and all the bells and whistles. Granted, vacations were only 15 days instead of 30, but trust me, it was well worth it.
I was lucky to be stationed in florida, where it's relatively cheap, i could not imagine being stationed up north with that sort of income.
If i remember correctly my check was about 400$ every two weeks and that's with allowences ( 200$ for rent of the aparetment - which cost way more then that, and allowance for food since i was living off base ). My normal feeding spot back in those days was whichever fast food was having a special at the time :)
Enlisted pay sucks, no discussion about it, and if you're single, you're double****ed.
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Originally posted by fd ski
A - you're right, absolutelly true.
B - you must be smoking crack. Within 6 months of leaving the service i had 4x the pay ( and that's counting the pay with BAS and all the other allowances ), full medical insurance, univesity for free, 401k, free training education and all the bells and whistles. Granted, vacations were only 15 days instead of 30, but trust me, it was well worth it.
Of course you did, because you'd been in the service. You'd have been flipping burgers at BK if you hadn't.
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geez marlet, you're just a fricking genious, aren't you. So why don't you tell everyone how what i did in service related to what I did right after it. While you're at it, point out what was it i was doing to begin with.
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A) volunteer service. If anyone got screwed, it was you screwing yourself.
I dont agree. Just because a person volunteers to protect his nation, that doesnt mean he should get sub-standard compensation. I hear this excuse all the time about soldiers who are having poor living conditions and poor equipment.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
I dont agree. Just because a person volunteers to protect his nation, that doesnt mean he should get sub-standard compensation. I hear this excuse all the time about soldiers who are having poor living conditions and poor equipment.
Actually it's a wodnerful piece of logic. Goes like this:
Go protect your country.
Oh, you volunteered, no wonder you're getting screwed you idiot.
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Originally posted by fd ski
geez marlet, you're just a fricking genious, aren't you. So why don't you tell everyone how what i did in service related to what I did right after it. While you're at it, point out what was it i was doing to begin with.
I'm sorry. It's been so long since I posted on here, I forgot you were a little slower than most.
It doesn't matter what you did either in the service or after. The simple fact that you had military service is enough. That alone boosts your earning potential far over a high school graduate entering the job market.
I'm sorry I didn't spell it out for you initially. Good thing you went in the service, though. I think I was overly generous with my original BK example.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
I dont agree. Just because a person volunteers to protect his nation, that doesnt mean he should get sub-standard compensation. I hear this excuse all the time about soldiers who are having poor living conditions and poor equipment.
It isn't sub-standard. In fact, it's far above standard for the qualifications required.