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Title: Awesome VIDEO!
Post by: Sp4de on December 26, 2004, 08:10:40 PM
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/P38.html (http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/P38.html)
there both like 33 mins long. Very cool and informational about the p38. i loved it:)
Title: Awesome VIDEO!
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 26, 2004, 09:40:06 PM
I always recommend to those wishing to learn how to fly the P-38 watch that USAAF training film as well as the one from Jeff Ethel.


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Title: Awesome VIDEO!
Post by: XtrmeJ on December 26, 2004, 10:41:58 PM
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I always recommend to those wishing to learn how to fly the P-38 watch that USAAF training film as well as the one from Jeff Ethel.


ack-ack


Watched that vid a long time ago, I enjoyed it alot.
Title: Awesome VIDEO!
Post by: streetstang on December 26, 2004, 11:26:53 PM
You know whats funny about that vid ackack. Alot of what I watched in that video (which I watched quite a few times), has helped me get through a fight in one way or another many times in the past. Its good stuff and you can never know too much about the plane you love to fly.
Title: Awesome VIDEO!
Post by: MaddogJoe on December 27, 2004, 07:51:11 AM
Morph, shoot me an email bud !

maddogjoe-444th@yahoo.com
Title: Awesome VIDEO!
Post by: eilif on December 27, 2004, 08:04:06 PM
me and my pops enjoyed watching this one during the christmas get together. :)
Title: Awesome VIDEO!
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 27, 2004, 08:27:22 PM
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Originally posted by streetstang
You know whats funny about that vid ackack. Alot of what I watched in that video (which I watched quite a few times), has helped me get through a fight in one way or another many times in the past. Its good stuff and you can never know too much about the plane you love to fly.



And after watching that video, it's amazing how close our P-38 is to the real thing.

It also has helped me in learning how to get all I can from the Lightning as well as Jeff Ethel's video.  I forgot the name of his video, think it's called "How to fly the P-38" which is basically a remake of the WW2 training film but with him actually flying the plane and putting it through it's paces.  He also does a mock dogfight to try to get a feel of what his father went through while flying it during the war.  Very highly recommended video to watch.  Another good resource that has helped me a lot in fighting Japanese planes is McGuire's Combat Tactics in the South West Pacific.  After reading that, I applied some of the tips he gave for fighting Japanese planes to the game and was amazed how well they worked.  

Oh, if anyone has any suspicions about the stall characteristics of the P-38, Jeff Ethel's video should put to rest any lingering suspicions.  He clearly shows how gentle the stall characteristics are, so gentle in fact that you really can't tell that the plane entered into a stall.


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Title: Awesome VIDEO!
Post by: F4UDOA on December 28, 2004, 03:11:29 PM
Ack-Ack,

Jeff Ethell died in a P-38 that stalled and entered a flat spin. Kind of a strange irony don't you think?
Title: Awesome VIDEO!
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 28, 2004, 03:14:30 PM
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Originally posted by F4UDOA
Ack-Ack,

Jeff Ethell died in a P-38 that stalled and entered a flat spin. Kind of a strange irony don't you think?



Due to engine failure if I recall correctly.



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Title: Awesome VIDEO!
Post by: brendo on December 28, 2004, 03:51:46 PM
He died doing a double barrel roll close to the ground. He didnt quite make the second roll.
Title: Awesome VIDEO!
Post by: Stang on December 28, 2004, 04:05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I always recommend to those wishing to learn how to fly the P-38 watch that USAAF training film as well as the one from Jeff Ethel.


ack-ack


Good stuff here.  I wonder though, how many guys actually try to learn acm or how to fly different planes anymore.  But hey, if it helps one guy to fly better, I'm all for it.
Title: Awesome VIDEO!
Post by: MaddogJoe on December 28, 2004, 04:05:47 PM
This is what I found in an NTSB report on the accident

Probable Cause

Failure of the pilot to maintain minimum control speed (VMC), after loss of power in one engine, which resulted in a loss of aircraft control and collision with terrain. Related factors were: the pilot's improper fuel management and failure to change the fuel selector position before a fuel tank had emptied, which led to fuel starvation and loss of power in one engine; and the pilot's lack of familiarity with the aircraft, relative to single-engine minimum airspeeds.

check out the whole report here. http://www.avweb.com/news/safety/183014-1.html
Title: Awesome VIDEO!
Post by: Ack-Ack on December 28, 2004, 04:14:51 PM
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Originally posted by Stang
Good stuff here.  I wonder though, how many guys actually try to learn acm or how to fly different planes anymore.  But hey, if it helps one guy to fly better, I'm all for it.



The trend lately seems to lean towards not learning ACM and that is rather sad.  As for flying different planes, I've always believed that you should fly the plane that you enjoy the most.  For some that is flying every plane in the plane set and for others like me, flying one particular plane.


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Title: Awesome VIDEO!
Post by: jconradh on December 28, 2004, 10:06:28 PM
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Originally posted by MaddogJoe

Failure of the pilot to maintain minimum control speed (VMC), after loss of power in one engine, which resulted in a loss of aircraft control and collision with terrain. Related factors were: the pilot's improper fuel management and failure to change the fuel selector position before a fuel tank had emptied, which led to fuel starvation and loss of power in one engine; and the pilot's lack of familiarity with the aircraft, relative to single-engine minimum airspeeds.


I read an article about Jeff Ethel.  IIRC he was putting that P-38 through it's paces and had mentioned how criticical it was to have the fuel selector switches set properly prior to landing.

Sad day.    :(

Jeff