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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Klum25th on December 26, 2004, 08:29:44 PM
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Since the Ju52 would be nice but most complain about its slow speed then y not have an Italy transport plane which was on the axis side be an axis Transport plane.
Name:Sovoia-Marchetti SM.75 Marsupiale
Max Speed: 225 mph
Range: 1070 miles
Service Ceiling: 20,500ft
It could carry one 7.7mm (0.303in) machine gun; up to 18 passengers
It was 3 engine and kinda looks like a Ju52.
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Cool, though if HTC could code it so that transports could carry crewed GVs, I would be much in favor of the Me323 Gigant.
Would be neat to have a flight of Gigants airlift a few panzers, m16s and M3s into an area for base capture...
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Unless a single fighter spotted them :)
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A single fighter might have trouble dispatching more than one Gigant. It had rather good defencive firepower.
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Originally posted by GScholz
A single fighter might have trouble dispatching more than one Gigant. It had rather good defencive firepower.
Every source I can find quotes the armament as five MG15 7.92 mm machine guns, all hand trained. I think it would be a cakewalk to shoot one down.
Do you have different information from your sources?
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Originally posted by rshubert
Every source I can find quotes the armament as five MG15 7.92 mm machine guns, all hand trained. I think it would be a cakewalk to shoot one down.
Do you have different information from your sources?
Early models carried the lmg but later models carried 13mm hmg and 20mm cannon.
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Originally posted by rshubert
Every source I can find quotes the armament as five MG15 7.92 mm machine guns, all hand trained. I think it would be a cakewalk to shoot one down.
Do you have different information from your sources?
Those were the initial versions. Most Gigants had five 13mm MG 131s, and the final production version added a 20mm MG 151 turret above each centre-engine nacelle.
The specialised Me 323E-2/WT had no less than 11 20mm MG 151's and 5 MG 131 plus several tons of armor.
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Oh, I definitely think I'd want a horde of escorts if I were to pilot that baby.
An airlifted offensive might be interesting, but I wouldn't want it so popluar that we never so land or sea assaults again. Always a question of balance...
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A very nice Idea for our bomber perks.
:) :) :)
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Originally posted by GScholz
A single fighter might have trouble dispatching more than one Gigant. It had rather good defencive firepower.
I clearly have too many books. You guys mention it and I start seeing the photos
A Gigant that was part of a formation intercepted over the Gulf of Tunis by Spits and Kittyhawks. There were heavy losses to the German transports.
Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1104202696_gigant.jpg)
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Can we have a solid gun nose A-26 to hunt them with?
The forward firing .50's could run as high as :
8 underwing guns in pods
Six in-wing guns (.50's or .30's?, was this only in K's ?)
six or eight nose guns (eight in K's only?)
two top turret guns
The gun nose was swapped onto "glass nose" 26's in the field, to allow for lots of options not "on the books".
Somewhere from eight to twenty-four guns...
"Jack the Gigant Killer" :p
I got to ride in the copilot's seat in one up in Alaska in '76. Damn near the only good thing I did that year... The flight was a real good facsimile of a tactical bomb run. The A-26 was used to drop a melting agent onto the frozen Yukon river to stop ice jams from flooding the field during spring break-up.
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Originally posted by M.C.202
Can we have a solid gun nose A-26 to hunt them with?
The forward firing .50's could run as high as :
8 underwing guns in pods
Six in-wing guns (.50's or .30's?, was this only in K's ?)
six or eight nose guns (eight in K's only?)
two top turret guns
The gun nose was swapped onto "glass nose" 26's in the field, to allow for lots of options not "on the books".
Somewhere from eight to twenty-four guns...
"Jack the Gigant Killer" :p
I got to ride in the copilot's seat in one up in Alaska in '76. Damn near the only good thing I did that year... The flight was a real good facsimile of a tactical bomb run. The A-26 was used to drop a melting agent onto the frozen Yukon river to stop ice jams from flooding the field during spring break-up.
Actually you aren't too far off. How bout B25s instead? And here it goes again with me being reminded of an image.
B25s escorted by P38s caught a bunch of Ju52s over the Sicilian Straits and shot down 26 of them
Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1104211576_b25s.jpg)
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How about the Ju352 "Hercules"? 260 MPH, 1x20mm, 2x13mm guns.
http://users.belgacom.net/aircraft1/avion1/351.html
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I clearly have too many books. You guys mention it and I start seeing the photos
A Gigant that was part of a formation intercepted over the Gulf of Tunis by Spits and Kittyhawks. There were heavy losses to the German transports.
Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/810_1104202696_gigant.jpg)
Don't confuse real life with AH now.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Don't confuse real life with AH now.
Guppy, then there was the Palm Sunday Massacre?
"April 18, 1943. Over Cape Bon, Tunisia, an Axis force of *60 Junkers Ju 52 transports escorted by 21 Messerschmitt Bf 109 and MC. 202 fighters were headed for the island of Sicily when they were spotted by patrolling P-40Fs of the 57th FGs three component Squadrons and the 314th FS of the 324th FG with a high cover of RAF Supermarine Spitfire Vs from No. 92 Squadron. The American P-40s dove out of the sun and when the smoke had cleared, 59 Ju 52s and 16 fighters had been shot down for the loss of 6 P-40s - arguably the finest single engagement for the P-40 Warhawks ever."
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It was the butchery days for the Ju52.
Those were sorely needed elswhere...at Stalingrad!!!!
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Originally posted by Angus
It was the butchery days for the Ju52.
Those were sorely needed elswhere...at Stalingrad!!!!
The Battle of Stalingrad had been over for some months. The last 2 Ju-52s had flown out of Pitomnik airfield on Jan. 24, 1943.
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Ahh, mixed up dates, sorry.
Stalingrad happens in the same frame as operation Torch though, and Ju52's were sent off the eastern front, - never to return.
Then Kursk battle is in full rage when the Allied landed on Sicily as well. I belive some squadrons were sent off the eastern front because of that as well.
Will have to dive into a book for it though.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Don't confuse real life with AH now.
And how was I confusing AH with real life by saying the post reminded me of a photograph? :)
Dan/Slack
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That photo of those B25 slaughtering ju52's is pretty cool.