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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: oboe on December 27, 2004, 07:55:50 AM
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from http://www.msn.com
KIEV, Ukraine - Opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko on Monday celebrated his apparently decisive triumph in the re-run of Ukraine’s presidential election, thanking the protesters who spent weeks camped out in the capital’s frigid streets for securing his electoral victory and the nation’s freedom.
Ukrainians. That news story strikes me as real democracy, hard-earned by the people. Thomas Jefferson would be proud of you, I think.
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Congrats, I hope they will be able to continue to promote liberty within their country. A hard earned victory, good luck in the future.
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Soon Boroda will be here to tell us all how the Evil EU, in concert with the even more EVIL Amreekans, aided and abetted by the Polish Government cheated the Ukraninan people out of their rightful leader.
Despite this, of course:
Yushchenko wins Ukraine election (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4127203.stm)
Sunday's re-run was monitored by 12,000 international observers.
RESULTS SO FAR
Yushchenko: 52.3%
Yanukovych: 43.9%
Turnout: 77%
Source: Ukraine Central Election Commission, with 98% of votes counted
"The Ukrainian elections have moved substantially closer to meet OSCE standards," said Bruce George, the head of an Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) monitoring mission
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I hope this story turns out and it doesn't get burried in more bull&^%$. This should go down in history as one of the greatest achievments of democracy and would make a damn fine movie too.....:D
Jokes aside, Ukraine, the people have spoken.... Job well done.
I guess the younger kids won't understand, but us cold war vets will...
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What? No crys of it being a sham? Guess it's different if it's a Euro election.
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Hard to get too excited about yet another politician. But at least the side doing the poisoning and massive election fraud lost.
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WTG Ukraninia!!
Crumpp
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With the endless possibilities on how to kill someone, why poison them? Especially if the poison is traceable? Cause what does that give you? Makes no sense to me..
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Originally posted by oboe
from http://www.msn.com
Ukrainians. That news story strikes me as real democracy, hard-earned by the people. Thomas Jefferson would be proud of you, I think.
Real democracy? LOL! :)
Reminds me of the cold-war times, when the meaning of "democracy" was abolutely opposite when used by Red and Blue sides.
Now it's the same - candidate, fed by the West (and Western powers admit it) "wins" on a fraud "elections" - and it's a "victory of democracy". 15 millions of working-class "trash" and "gangsters" are not supposed to have a right to elect.
What we have got in Ukraine is a "victory" of one gang of crooks over another. And if you think I'll cheer pro-Western anti-Russian crooks - you're mistaken.
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Originally posted by rpm
What? No crys of it being a sham? Guess it's different if it's a Euro election.
It would only be a sham if they had Democrats and the Democrats lost. Otherwise, it's a fair election if the Democrats win.
Well, at least that's how it works here. ;)
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Originally posted by Boroda
15 millions of working-class "trash" and "gangsters" are not supposed to have a right to elect.
"Working class trash" are not supposed to have a right to elect? Am I understanding you properly?
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What we have got in Ukraine is a "victory" of one gang of crooks over another.
Welcome to the two party system!
I was most impressed by the determination of the people who camped out in frigid temperatures to force the runoff, and the high percentage of voters that turned out.
Commiserations if it was your candidate who lost.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Real democracy? LOL! :)
Reminds me of the cold-war times, when the meaning of "democracy" was abolutely opposite when used by Red and Blue sides.
Now it's the same - candidate, fed by the West (and Western powers admit it) "wins" on a fraud "elections" - and it's a "victory of democracy". 15 millions of working-class "trash" and "gangsters" are not supposed to have a right to elect.
What we have got in Ukraine is a "victory" of one gang of crooks over another. And if you think I'll cheer pro-Western anti-Russian crooks - you're mistaken.
As opposed to the one gang of crooks system you were formally used to.
Yea its a real democracy
Relax Ivan. Wouldnt surprise me to see Bolshevik stormtoopers in the streets there soon to reinstill a communist brand of law and order
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
As opposed to the one gang of crooks system you were formally used to.
Yea its a real democracy
Relax Ivan. Wouldnt surprise me to see Bolshevik stormtoopers in the streets there soon to reinstill a communist brand of law and order
Keep hallucinating. Still need to clean your pants when you see Hammer and Sickle? :D Bolshevik stormtroopers my ass! :D Another American telling me about "communist brand of law and order"...
Now - to sane part of community. Already at least one political assassination in Ukraine, Minister of Transport, chief of Presidental Administration already on the run, there are serious rumours about assassination of at least two more politicians, Tigipko, a National Bank director and Ya's electoral HQ chief.
Looks like tangerins already start a post-revolution slaughter.
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Boroda, drink the Kool aid. :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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what is a Kool aid? :confused:
What I personally feel about Yuschenko "victory" is that in a matter of months or years I'll be unable to visit my relatives without visa or foreign passport, and that talking Russian in Chernovtsy where they live can become dangerous in a couple of years. I'll be glad to be mistaken.
And I don't think anyone here will be happy about NATO bases on our land. I say "our" because I am half-Ukrainian, and don't think of Ukrainians as of "foreign people". I am a part of them.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Keep hallucinating. Still need to clean your pants when you see Hammer and Sickle? :D Bolshevik stormtroopers my ass! :D Another American telling me about "communist brand of law and order"...
Hardly.
Doesnt make me clean my pants anymore then any other rodent I'd see roaming about.
I know about Communist brand of law and order by hearing about it and seeing the scars from communist brutality first hand from some of those that managed to escape it.
I've also seen first hand and will never forget the tears running down an old womans face,
And I remember her crying and saying over and over "So much food, its not fair, its just not fair"
on entering one of our food stores and seeing for the first time things like this (http://www.topics-mag.com/foods/images-markets/supermark3.jpg)
And this
(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/caem.france/distribution/supermarket.jpg)
(http://www.theimperials.net/pics/1998/photos/Hot%20chick%20in%20Produce.jpg)
Yea, real good system you had there.
see those pictures above?
thats called FOOD.
In a democracy it seems its alot easier to come by even for the poor then it was under your soviet boot
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Originally posted by Boroda
what is a Kool aid? :confused:
That sound you heard was Stalin's spirit racing over your head.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Hardly.
Doesnt make me clean my pants anymore then any other rodent I'd see roaming about.
I know about Communist brand of law and order by hearing about it and seeing the scars from communist brutality first hand from some of those that managed to escape it.
I've also seen first hand and will never forget the tears running down an old womans face,
And I remember her crying and saying over and over "So much food, its not fair, its just not fair"
on entering one of our food stores and seeing for the first time things like this
Yea, real good system you had there.
see those pictures above?
thats called FOOD.
In a democracy it seems its alot easier to come by even for the poor then it was under your soviet boot
Really? Hey, listen to me, did I live in USSR or where? Did that lady come directly from sieged Leningrad? To see stuff like on your pictures - you on;y needed to go to a nearest "kolhoz marketplace", or "consumer cooperation", "KOOP" shop. Only the food sold there was all natural.
Now tell me what did that lady say about food prices in your "consumer paradise". And I can tell you a great Soviet secret: she couldn't afford buying food in a marketplace mostly because she was sitting on her arse in an office doing nothing earning 120 rubles monthly. At the same time a hungry student who went to construction-squads in the Summer could easily earn up to 5000 in 1.5 months and celebrate his return in a best restaurant on Gorky street.
Keep on telling me how bad was my life in Soviet times, it's educating :D Who's next with "bread lines"? :D
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Originally posted by Boroda
what is a Kool aid?
it is the powdered beverage mixed with sugar into water, most famously used by jim jones in jonestown where 913 of his cult followers poisoned themsleves to death drinking a leathal concotion of red kool-aid and cyanide in 1978.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4122721.stm
this reminds me the thing with the france and the germany when we backed up USA in Iraq. Chirac said that Poland missed the chance to shut up... now when we speak about the Ukraine another democratic country don't like that. Come on, wtf is wrong with ya :rolleyes:
WTG Ukraine! Hope the people will benefit and the choice was right! Also hope Ukraine and Russia will work together - both sides would benefit surely!
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Originally posted by bikekil
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4122721.stm
this reminds me the thing with the france and the germany when we backed up USA in Iraq. Chirac said that Poland missed the chance to shut up... now when we speak about the Ukraine another democratic country don't like that. Come on, wtf is wrong with ya :rolleyes:
The Kwasniewsky's words that Putin quoted were: "For the US Russia without Ukraine is better then with it".
Kwasniewskiy's definetly right, but, unfortunately he sounds like a pro-american jakal :( I find Putin's reaction absolutely understandable and proper. There is nothing to discuss here.
Originally posted by bikekil
WTG Ukraine! Hope the people will benefit and the choice was right! Also hope Ukraine and Russia will work together - both sides would benefit surely!
Yes, agreed completely. But now the forces that got to power in Ukraine are 100% anti-Russian. They declared their goals: to reduce Russian population to 30-50 million, to make it supply "golden billion" with oil and gas :(
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Boroda you can't expect anybody to take anything you type seriously when you use that hammer and sickle swastika as avatar.
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Originally posted by Suave
Boroda you can't expect anybody to take anything you type seriously when you use that hammer and sickle swastika as avatar.
now go tell Austrians that Hammer and Sickle = swastika. I think that if you'll say it in a bar in Vienna you'll get into real trouble.
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I would never insult an Austrian by insinuating that he's a bolshevik. At least not without a very good reason.
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Originally posted by Suave
I would never insult an Austrian by insinuating that he's a bolshevik. At least not without a very good reason.
Ignorance is power.
Look at the Austrian State Emblem. Then think for half an hour about hammers, sickles and swasticas.
You'll be surprised about Austrian's reaction when you'll say Hammer and a Sickle equals to swastica. This is a best way to accuse him of being a nazi.
Keep on entertaining me, please.
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Oh now I get it. You misunderstood. I didn't equate any particular representation of hand tools to nazism.
I was just pointing out that your avatar is the symbol of a genocidal dictatorship built on slave labor, a dictatorship no better than nazi germany, maoist china or 19th century america.
And only an idiot would take any statements from a person who identifies himself with such an offensive symbol seriously. Skuzzy prohibits less offensive things on this board.
Shine on you terrible reminder, lest we forget.
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Originally posted by Boroda
The Kwasniewsky's words that Putin quoted were: "For the US Russia without Ukraine is better then with it".
Kwasniewskiy's definetly right, but, unfortunately he sounds like a pro-american jakal :( I find Putin's reaction absolutely understandable and proper. There is nothing to discuss here.
Yes, agreed completely. But now the forces that got to power in Ukraine are 100% anti-Russian. They declared their goals: to reduce Russian population to 30-50 million, to make it supply "golden billion" with oil and gas :(
Prolly, different media different quotes... havn't heard KWasniewski saying this so won't argue about it, but... read what you typed "pro-american jackal". So... afte many years of being soviet slaves here in Poland, once finally have our freedom back, we as a independent nation can't support america? wft? Germany, France and now Russia are dissatissfied about independent country supporting another coutry? gee is it a crime?
But to be honest, Ukraine opened to the west is something that we, Polas are happy to see - are you surprised? is Putin surprised? if he is - he is a fool... but i doubt he is a fool... so as others in my coutry, please look at it as our opinion about future of that region. for us, free and independent Ukraine is surely better then Ukraine dominated by Russia... but you know what? screw our vote, because Russion or Polish wishes are worth nothing... Ukrainians have his right to decide about his future - so they did, no matter if we like it or not :)
As for the second part - if Ukrainias will do anything against the law you will here me saying that they should be spanked badly, but i doubt it's going to happened. If you are afraid that Russians living there or Russians in Russia are in danger because of Ukraine - i believe and i hope i'm right - it's propaganda.
But as i said, you or me can't predict the future, so let's wait and see what the time will bring. Hopefully nothing that could hurt Russians living in Ukraine.
but if we are about it - Poles who appeared to live in Soviet Union while our agreat allies with stalin moved our borders and gave our lands (our after WWI) to Stalin, hurt badly till 90's... (many times seen the people living in Belarus and saying what's going on over there nowdays) let's hope it won't happened to Russians.
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What do you mean 'hard fought'!? This clown kept whining and crying and crying and whining until the count finally came out his way, just like the librules do every election over here!
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
What do you mean 'hard fought'!? This clown kept whining and crying and crying and whining until the count finally came out his way, just like the librules do every election over here!
Kid, he wasn't "whining", he was decrying actual injustices, very much unlike our "Librules" here who do exactly as you said. In the former case it was justified, I believe.
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Kid, he wasn't "whining", he was decrying actual injustices, very much unlike our "Librules" here who do exactly as you said. In the former case it was justified, I believe.
Yeah, no doubt. When the opposition will stoop to attempted murder, I would say actual injustices exist.
Developing a Democracy is not an easy task. I am glad to see real democracy taking shape in Eastern Europe.
Crumpp
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No, no, no, no, no!
It was the EViL WeSt that tried to poison him!
Get your facts straight... or wait for Boroda to tell you himself.
;)
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Originally posted by Suave
Oh now I get it. You misunderstood. I didn't equate any particular representation of hand tools to nazism.
I was just pointing out that your avatar is the symbol of a genocidal dictatorship built on slave labor, a dictatorship no better than nazi germany, maoist china or 19th century america.
And only an idiot would take any statements from a person who identifies himself with such an offensive symbol seriously. Skuzzy prohibits less offensive things on this board.
Shine on you terrible reminder, lest we forget.
Austrian State Emblem is an Eagle holding Hammer and a Sickle. If you'll say it's a swastika - they'll... hmm... misunderstand you.
I am not a communist, but I sincerely believe that I was born in a world's greatest country, USSR. It was a country that gave me everything I am.
This avatar is here to piss off creatures like you.
3A CCCP!
As any sane person I want Ukraine to be an independant country, in many fields they do better then we, but I don't want bloody agressors to point missiles at my sity from my country....
To Toad:
Please, I still await for your explainations for NATO activities in Baltic "republics".
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Now the real question,
"Who is the babe in isle 6?" :aok
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Originally posted by slimm50
Kid, he wasn't "whining", he was decrying actual injustices, very much unlike our "Librules" here who do exactly as you said. In the former case it was justified, I believe.
So you're saying there's no such thing as voter intimidation and vote counting "errors", both human and electronic?
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by JB73
it is the powdered beverage mixed with sugar into water, most famously used by jim jones in jonestown where 913 of his cult followers poisoned themsleves to death drinking a leathal concotion of red kool-aid and cyanide in 1978.
My dear JB ;) ,
Do you know that shortly before swallowing the sweetened cyanide the poor folks of Jonestown had started at the USSR embassy in Guyana the application process which would allow these people to move for living in the Soviet Union ? :cool:
\as it was reported during GLASNOST by the Kommunist Youth propaganda trumpet "Komsomol'skaya Pravda"\
I can only imagine the fanfare if such a move of these people could be allowed.:(
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Originally posted by Boroda
Austrian State Emblem is an Eagle holding Hammer and a Sickle. If you'll say it's a swastika - they'll... hmm... misunderstand you.
I am not a communist, but I sincerely believe that I was born in a world's greatest country, USSR. It was a country that gave me everything I am.
This avatar is here to piss off creatures like you.
3A CCCP!
As any sane person I want Ukraine to be an independant country, in many fields they do better then we, but I don't want bloody agressors to point missiles at my sity from my country....
Damn, I was trying to cause you to go wacko and start calling everybody nazis and cause skuzzy to lock the thread. I failed.
I think probably you have good reasons to say such ludicrous things here.
I still hate the soviet union though. Not because of anything that it did to our people, but for what it did to yours.
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Originally posted by Toad
No, no, no, no, no!
It was the EViL WeSt that tried to poison him!
Get your facts straight... or wait for Boroda to tell you himself.
;)
Dear Sir,
Your intuition about this poisoning may be quite right. The bull's eye shot.
Imagine two top Ukrainian KGB officers not able to effectively poison the US puppet while dining with him. This looks exactly like the inability of top Russian masons to effectively poison that defrocked monk Rasputin.
As far as I know the KGB of the mid XX century was killing Ukrainian nationalists using very effective poison-firing hand gun loaded with cyanide capsule. The cyanide fumes prooved to be deadly to the victim, Stepan Bandera who died immediately after being fired at by the KGB agent in Munich in 1957.
Is it so that modern KGB officers lack practicing in their deadly skills, or behind-the-scenes operatives from some other agency used the situation to their advantage ?
And what a sympathy magnet the half-poisoned opposition leader can be for the masses, especially with all that voting fraud going on. Democracy rules !
:( :cool:
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
With the endless possibilities on how to kill someone, why poison them? Especially if the poison is traceable? Cause what does that give you? Makes no sense to me..
:aok Exactly the point !
It makes no sense at all for the "pro-Russian" Kommunist bastards, but gives the propaganda leverage to one of the parties envolved to turn the tables and achieve its goals. And the party that gained success was definetely not the Communist Party, but quite the contrary movement.
I hope you've read my post above :eek:
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Wow, what a revelation!
I bet Yu VOLUNTEERED to eat the poison soup for the good of his party and his EU/US/Polish puppet masters!
What a clever political ploy! This thing is like an onion, always another layer.
Hmmm... maybe we can get US politicians to drink poisoned soup fo the good of THEIR parties.
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Originally posted by Toad
Wow, what a revelation!
I bet Yu VOLUNTEERED to eat the poison soup for the good of his party and his EU/US/Polish puppet masters!
What a clever political ploy! This thing is like an onion, always another layer.
Hmmm... maybe we can get US politicians to drink poisoned soup fo the good of THEIR parties.
Puppets are expendable. There's no need for them to know the exact amount of poison in their soup.
Why to volunteer if you don't know? :confused: