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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunthr on December 28, 2004, 09:39:03 AM
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I just wanted to show off my Clarkii Clownfish being hosted by my Rose Bubble Tipped Anemone. The clown takes very good care of the anemone - he brings it food in return for protection among the stinging tenticles ...
(http://srg2000.tripod.com/RBTA.jpg)
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I want to be the first to say tiny sea noodle'.
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what is the plural of noodle?
peni?
noodle'?
noodlees?
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Originally posted by JB73
what is the plural of noodle?
peni?
noodle'?
noodlees?
donuts?
Karaya
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geez, I thought it looked more like a lovely bouquet of nipples, or maybe hot colored and ribbed for her pleasure prophilactics :D
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in one of my dives at shark bay (sinay) i saw a huge beutiful sea Anemone with 2 clown fish in it, by moving my hands towards the Anemone i got the clown fish to "attack" me and i got to pet him :) clown fish, blow fish and morey eels have a distinct feeling of their skin (think its covered in slime or something) its the most smooth surface i ever touched.
althou touching a morey eel may not sound like a good idea, they rarely object, just need to know when to stop :)
i will look for pictures
EDIT: found them
(http://members.lycos.co.uk/squadron101/redsea/ACD1282.JPG)
check out this thread http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123388
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pretty cool thing to see ... and quite interesting behavior. The slime on the clownfish develops properties over time that are similar to the anemone's slime - thus fooling the anemone into not stinging the clown because it doesn't recognise the clown as being different from itself.
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wow... beautiful photo. That anemone is also a Bubble Tipped Anemone. Sometimes, they get elongated and deflate the bubble tips for unknown reasons. Mine looks just like it at times.
Is that photo from the Red Sea?
NM - I just followed your link. Amazing photos! I don't know how I missed that thread. Well done. I'd love to dive there one day...
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did you know an anemone has barbs on its tentacles and thats what the "sting" comes from? A healthy, happy anemone needs 24 hours to regenerate its barbs each time they touch somthing. The biggest reason most anemones die in captivity is due to over feeding because their barbs cant rejuvinate quickly enough.
In nature, anemones are considered almost immortal and can live hundreds of years but in an expierenced "reefers" tank the average life is under 5 years. No one can explain this. It is thought, that they derive some sort of nutrution in the wild that we are unable to provide.
I have an electric blue carpet anemone that is about 26" long and have had him for close to 3.5 years. Within the last year he has started to shrink much to my dismay.
Odi
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Used to have a salt water tank beofre we moved, it was a 65 gallon tank that myself and my step dad had been taking care of. Its a fresh water tank now. Maybe salt in the summer.
Went diving in Hawaii a few years back. Was amazing, such a difference from Lake Erie to swimming with sea turtles and fish the size of yourself.
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aaaaahhh Nemo
nemo..nemo..nemo...
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In nature, anemones are considered almost immortal and can live hundreds of years but in an expierenced "reefers" tank the average life is under 5 years. No one can explain this. It is thought, that they derive some sort of nutrution in the wild that we are unable to provide.
Yes, I knew they are immortal - don't die in the wild as long as they get what they need. Interesting animal. My RBTA likes to wander around my tank occasionally, stinging my other inverts and corals as he goes. I'm hoping it will split soon because its starting to get a little too big. Sorry about your carpet's condition. I never had a carpet anemone because they get to big for my nano tank (29 gal with a 15 gal refugium growings pods, culerpa and chaetomorpha macroalgae.)
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Used to have a salt water tank beofre we moved, it was a 65 gallon tank that myself and my step dad had been taking care of. Its a fresh water tank now. Maybe salt in the summer.
Went diving in Hawaii a few years back. Was amazing, such a difference from Lake Erie to swimming with sea turtles and fish the size of yourself.
Yep. I learned to dive in the Great Lakes; Erie, Lake St. Clair, St. Clair river, Lake Michigan, and besides freezing your butt off, they're like deserts compared to the Caribbean Atlantic as far as amount and diversity of life. G'luck with your tank. :)
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OK... that's pretty cool. Salt water tanks have always been impressive to me, both in appearance and amount of work required for upkeep.
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C'mon I wanna see Gunthr in a pic kissin a Morey Eel on the lips.
You can do it Gunthr...Just look the Morey in the eye and say "HaaaaaaaR...."
:D
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Mt step-dad is a marine Biologist. Fun to go to fish stores with him, and he names every kind.
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This is my first salt water tank, Mini D. I started it up about 6 months ago. I can collect some of my own livestock here in FL, but it is still not a cheap hobby. It is a lot of work, too, but not nearly as difficult as I thought it would be.
As you well know, we all have to have our hobbies :D I could get into bird photography pretty easily down here, but there's only so much time...
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C'mon I wanna see Gunthr in a pic kissin a Morey Eel on the lips.
You can do it Gunthr...Just look the Morey in the eye and say "HaaaaaaaR...." -AWMac
One time I was spearfishing over the Copenhagen wreck off Ft. Lauderdale. I was swimming along the deck and I had some fish I had speared on a stringer hanging from my belt. As I passed over an open hatch, a huge green moray came out and was following me. My buddy started making antics off to the side. I couldn't figure out what he was trying to say...
... that was when I felt something nosing me between the legs. I looked down and saw this moray head the size of a football right in my crotch. My buddy told me later that I shot my speargun off at that moment, and I didn't even realize it. I dropped my belt and let him have the fish.
Found out later, he was harmless - just used to being fed by divers. :)
BlueJ1, thats pretty cool having a step-dad whos a marine biologist - I wish I had one handy to answer questions sometimes....
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Bah, they can take fingers off, now think what the can do to boneless items, harmless my arse.
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I don't want to think about it, BlueJ :D
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Mt step-dad is a marine Biologist. Fun to go to fish stores with him, and he names every kind.
Helps alot when the scientific names and stuff are right on the tank..
But can he name their price?
;)
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Originally posted by hawker238
I want to be the first to say tiny sea noodle'.
Freud could have fun with that.
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Gunthr,
I kept marine reef tanks for approx 10 years. LOVED THEM...I had a 120 gallon (still have now converted to a planted freshwater tank where I breed German Blue Rams and Endlers Livebearers).
When I lived in Okinawa Japan I was able to take water from the reef and replenish my system...pain doing RO/DI salt adds all the time.
Got my corals to spawn which totally freaked me out....happened when my ballast blew from a water leak (repositioned now) and I had to put a flourescent shop light over the tank. Simulated the moon as best I could tell.
I am moving to San Antonio TX in a few months and will probably restart my reefs....keeping the planted FW tanks to my 20 , 15 tall, and 10 gallon tanks to keep the endlers going.
regards
:aok
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Yes, I knew they are immortal - don't die in the wild as long as they get what they need. Interesting animal. My RBTA likes to wander around my tank occasionally, stinging my other inverts and corals as he goes. I'm hoping it will split soon because its starting to get a little too big. Sorry about your carpet's condition. I never had a carpet anemone because they get to big for my nano tank (29 gal with a 15 gal refugium growings pods, culerpa and chaetomorpha macroalgae.)
carpets are huge wonderers, it can get pretty trickly sometimes, although my hammer coral does far more damage is not paid attention to.
I had my rittori split on me a few weeks ago. seems to be doing really well.
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Hi Guttboy,
People think you're nuts if you have both fresh and saltwater tanks. Call me nuts, cuz I have a 55 gal planted tank with a CO2 reactor and ecocomplete substrate under 260 watts of 6500 Kelvin pc lights in addition to my marine tank. I was kind of growing an Amazon biotope until I got interested in growing a glossostigma carpet on the bottom, then I started growing everything. I have only a few fish and some freshwater shrimps in the tank. Sorry to say its getting neglected a bit these days. I never kept Rams, but admired them.
Congrats on getting the coral to spawn, even if it was by accident! That is wild. They must have been pretty happy in there. A lot goes on in a marine tank that is very interesting.
I thought somebody was joking when they told me to keep my calurpa macroalgae - grown for nutrient export - trimmed back to keep it from "going sexual" and crashing my tank. I later found out he wasn't kidding. :D
The RO/salt mix water changes are a bit of a pain, but what can ya do... it isn't convenient for me to lug water from the ocean - its 7 miles away and off Ft. Lauderdale I'm leary of petroleum in the water.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Found out later, he was harmless - just used to being fed by divers.
mentioned already fleshy appendages...
heck they can take an arm right off when 1/2 the size you say.
they grab and twist violently shredding off whatever they want to eat.
i am getting the shivers just thinking about one near me (within 100 yards).
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I had a 40 gallon seagrass tank. Had a yellow-tailed damsel, cardinal fish, clownfish, 24 pieces of seagrass, and 30 peices of macroalgae. Was absolutely beautiful.
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I had my rittori split on me a few weeks ago. seems to be doing really well.
Was that the 29 incher? Rittoris are the largest growing carpet anemones I believe. I wanted one for a Percula clown, but had to face facts that it would get too big for my nano reef.
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mentioned already fleshy appendages...
heck they can take an arm right off when 1/2 the size you say.
they grab and twist violently shredding off whatever they want to eat.
i am getting the shivers just thinking about one near me (within 100 yards).
JB73, these things are not interested in attacking you. They are docile and curious, but not man eaters. They will often take fish right out of your hand. Its a delight to see them. Any bites on humans are cases of mistaken identity or acidental. Barracudas are more of a nuisance as far as I'm concerned when you are spear fishing - but in either case, you buy them off with a fish and then they swim off and leave you alone.
Suntracker - I love the kind of tanks like the one you had. I'm going to get some turtle grass from the keys - just a few sprigs - I'm afraid it might be illegal these days.
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Gunthr,
its all about moderation and adaptability.
Some folks jump in and put every cool looking coral and fish in a tank and Ill tell you what it will die off or get very ugly quick.
you can get by without using RO/DI but you have to know the specifics of your water. In Fort Walton Beach, where I lived prior to Japan, I had no use for the RO/DI....my corals did fine as did the fish....partly due to the fact I dove off the Gulf with friends who owned a reef store and harvested liverock with them, and partly to the fact I didnt have a problem going to the beach (5 miles away), and hauling those damn plastic jugs up.
I just let them sit for 48-72 hours before adding my top off water. You have to be careful, Im sure you know this as your pic shows you have a beautiful tank, that if you to replace with seawater or mixed...CHECK THE SALINITY. I would dose with just regular Winn Dixie Distilled water when I didnt want to go to the beach to get salt water.
BTW it also depends on how a person wants to set up their tank.
In my FW I have CO2, 2 EHIM cannisters, PH meter, and a pump in the tank to circulate things. MY lighting in the 120 is an electronic ballast (btw same i used in my SW tanks!) and it kicks arse.
I keep things on the simple....my other tanks are all run on substrate on the cheap like kitty litter and playsand and absolutely rock and roll!
Again its about knowledge and starting slowly.
Where are you in S FLA?
Regards,
mike
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Yeah, harvesting sea grass in Florida is illegal. I ordered mine from a place in New York.
I also made my own live rock. Developed a new technique for it, got some acclaim for it :)
The downfall of my seagrass tank was the addition of crabs and snails. They harvested the seagrass and macroalgae like miniature lumberjacks.
Used a 400watt metal halide to light my tank.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Was that the 29 incher? Rittoris are the largest growing carpet anemones I believe. I wanted one for a Percula clown, but had to face facts that it would get too big for my nano reef.
no he is pretty small, about 8" in diameter.
sea grass and other macros are great. I have a rough time getting them here due to the fact that Califorina made it illegal to sell them. Too many people were putting it into the bays where it was taking over. The majority of my supply (I own a fish store btw) comes from locals here growing it for me to sell.
that plant tank sounds pretty good. what is your cO2 exchange rate and are you using any other chemicals? ie. "flourish" products?
Odi
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Yeah, harvesting sea grass in Florida is illegal. I ordered mine from a place in New York.
I also made my own live rock. Developed a new technique for it, got some acclaim for it :)
The downfall of my seagrass tank was the addition of crabs and snails. They harvested the seagrass and macroalgae like miniature lumberjacks.
Used a 400watt metal halide to light my tank.
what was the technique you used? Are you doing HQI halides or standard ones. 20k or 10k?
Odi
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Most homemade live rock is made in sand molds. I created some molds out of foam blocks from Walmart and was able to create some very neat designs, especially tonga branch. Combined with baking in the oven, I could have a piece ready to cure within an hour. I used crushed oyster shell and crushed coral along with concrete mix to make the rocks. Of course you need at least one piece of 'real' liverock in your tank to get the deadrock seeded.
I lucked out on my metal halide light. A guy was selling about one hundred 400watt lights on ebay for $60 each. They were from a factory. I used a 4800k bulb and a 10k bulb, depending on how I wanted the tank to look.
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Sorry Odi. I do not test for exchange rates or anything else. Hate to say so, but if it dies, it dies. My water chemistry is fairly pristine, mostlly because I do serious water changes every couple of days. What do you think about my method?
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Nice looking pics gunthr. Nce to see another reef tanker that is as anal about water quality as i am. I have a 75 gallon running a berlin system and find that i dont need that frequent of a water change just supplementing with RO and kalkwasser. But, it still isnt natural sea water :). I talked with a few local reef keepers and they said do a change every now and again with fresh seawater from an incoming tide. Before doing that check with department of heath for bacteria levels and any hazards. Usually that opens up all the corals for a feeding frenzy and makes for a nice view.
If you are interested one of my best friends runs an online reef store that has some of the wildest colors that i have ever seen since he uses mostly VHO blues and whites and has some crazy amount of watts per gallon (14.5 or so i think). anyhow check out his website at www.riptidesreef.com (http://www.riptidesreef.com)
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Say every 10 days. Labor intensive, I know. Still, all my creatures seem stimulated. I have some sponges who want some disolved oganics, and I balance it as much as I can. Ultimately , my sponge will die, if I can believe the literature. Still, I will try. I hope I am not contributing to a needless death.
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Nice looking pics gunthr. Nce to see another reef tanker that is as anal about water quality as i am. I have a 75 gallon running a berlin system and find that i dont need that frequent of a water change just supplementing with RO and kalkwasser.
Thanks Rett. I have no protien skimmer. 75 gal is beyond my experience. I do try to keep my water pristiene, but not too, because I'm trying to keep a sponge alive. I do add kalkwasser, but have no dripper. I just top off a bit every couple of days. I do it mainly for my calicerifous plants.
Its really good to hear from serious reefers here.
Gunthr
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Gunthr, and Flyboy, awesome pics!
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Mike; I'm close to Pompano Beach...
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Most homemade live rock is made in sand molds. I created some molds out of foam blocks from Walmart and was able to create some very neat designs, especially tonga branch. Combined with baking in the oven, I could have a piece ready to cure within an hour. I used crushed oyster shell and crushed coral along with concrete mix to make the rocks. Of course you need at least one piece of 'real' liverock in your tank to get the deadrock seeded.
I lucked out on my metal halide light. A guy was selling about one hundred 400watt lights on ebay for $60 each. They were from a factory. I used a 4800k bulb and a 10k bulb, depending on how I wanted the tank to look.
nice! think I might give that a try. Are you also using actinics then? My main display reef at the store has 2 400watt 20k. you can now get 20k bulbs for standard mogal and hqi which takes away the need for actinics.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Sorry Odi. I do not test for exchange rates or anything else. Hate to say so, but if it dies, it dies. My water chemistry is fairly pristine, mostlly because I do serious water changes every couple of days. What do you think about my method?
hehe, I learned along time ago that if somthing works as far as fish go, dont "F" with it! With water changes that frequent. I would say there is nothing wrong with your water quality. Do you alot of algae growth or not enough to worry about? If there is hardly any algae growth but your plants are growing well, I say all the power to you mate.
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Say every 10 days. Labor intensive, I know. Still, all my creatures seem stimulated. I have some sponges who want some disolved oganics, and I balance it as much as I can. Ultimately , my sponge will die, if I can believe the literature. Still, I will try. I hope I am not contributing to a needless death.
what are you feeding as far as organics go? Have you ever tried DT's phytoplankton? Pretty good stuff although it needs to be kept refrigerated and shaken before each use. I have a sponge that is quite possably 14 years old although cant be sure as it has been passed on 3 times and I'm the 4th.
Odi
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Here fishy fishy (sorry about the size)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/690_1104319599_acdc3a2.jpg)
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what are you feeding as far as organics go? Have you ever tried DT's phytoplankton? Pretty good stuff although it needs to be kept refrigerated and shaken before each use. I have a sponge that is quite possably 14 years old although cant be sure as it has been passed on 3 times and I'm the 4th.
Odi
Because of the frequent water changes and fast growing macro algae in the refugium I can feed the tank pretty freely without too much worry about the excess nutrients. Every now and then I'll get a cyanobacterial bloom, or the brown diatoms on the sand but the next water change takes care of it. I use a 8 hr/16 hr photoperiod.
I've wanted to use DT's phytoplankton, but I'm reluctant to pay the ridiculas shipping charges for cold packs and overnight shipping to keep the stuff alive.
I have a 10 gal tank I use to culture nanocholopsis - with mixed results. (The culture has to be kept sterile and uncontaminated or it crashes.) So I feed the green water when I get a good batch, and I also feed Kents Zooplankton for the filter feeders. But they seem to like the live micro algae better.
Flyboy - Thanks for shooting me down this morning. I was going to say "Bite Me", but in light of your photo, I don't think I will :D
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DT'S is pretty nice stuff. Your LFS doesnt carry it?
I might be able to send you a jug. where do you live?
Nice Moray, I got a scar from a black edge here in the store about 3 years ago. He bailed out of his tank (twice!) first time, no problems. Second time, I tried to put him into a net to put back into the tank and he nailed me. Really dirty bite those eels. Lots of bacteria!
Salt water makes a really nice disenfectant though, hehe
little sucker died 3 days later, I wasnt upset.
Odi
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DT'S is pretty nice stuff. Your LFS doesnt carry it?
I might be able to send you a jug. where do you live?
Hey Odi, you got me thinkin earlier - so I just bucked up and ordered 15 oz DT's from Marine Depot - so thanks anyways. Nice of you to offer. BTW, not even the largest LFS down here (Ft. Lauderdale area) keeps DT's in stock... not sure why.
I've never been bit by anything except a 24 inch baby alligator. Theres a place called Loxahatchee in the everglades near here. You can cast surface plugs like hulapoppers to these baby gators and they will hit it again and again and again. They just can't resist the movement, they hit it but don't get hooked cuz they have a hard mouth. They usually let go just before they get to the boat. The little buggers have needle teeth.
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The guy that makes DT's is a pretty neat person. Talked to him more then a few times on the phone and I order from him direct for my store. He has really tried to stay out of the "big box" stores and just supply the independents. Pretty good in my book!
what did you pay for the 15oz from marine depot?
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About 15 or 16 bucks. I don't mind that, its concentrated very well, but its 25 bucks shipping. That tends to piss me off because I think it would arrive alive overnight with no refrigeration.
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let me know when you run out, ill send ya a bottle of juice
Odi
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Originally posted by wombatt
Freud could have fun with that.
LMAO, yeah he could.
Oh, not in that way.