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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Jackal1 on December 29, 2004, 06:42:09 AM
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.....and mission planners.
Please spread things out a little on your squad nights.
If I try to play in U.S. prime time, it usualy lasts only a short time before logging in pure amazement and ...well err disgust.
I thought the last couple of weeks I would give prime time a little try again and noticed things have gotten much worse.
Sunday night.... go to a base, get it prepped then BOOM here would come the horde. I`m not talking about any small horde, but the Mother Of all Hordes.
Change areas, prep, announce to peeps in that were working that particualr area...BOOM... it`s horde time again.
What I`m talking about here is anywhere from 2 to 3 full dar bars on one friggin base. Noobs or horde masters would see a squad mission going to a base, then run another mission hot on it`s tail.
Monday night, same thing. The FHs, BHs, VHs, ord, troops, dar, outhouses, town, rabbits, wildlife, everything down and still a mass swarm.
C`mon guys.......what can you possibly enjoy about this?
I`m all for base capture and gameplay, but Good Golly Miss Molly spread the crap out. Hit 2, 3 , 4 bases instead of everyone going to one base and playing ring around the friggen rosie while the troops get there .
The funny thing is, you can look at the map and see bases being taken by country X, usualy faster than the hordes.
I`ve found that , as far as I`m concerned, the absolute best gameplay is between 4:00 A.M. and around 9:00 A.M. U.S. Central time. In these times you can find it all. If you just want to fight it`s there. If you want base capture, it`s there. CV action, GVs it`s there. The difference being that a small group from one country will start an attack on a base and it`s met by a relatively equal number of defenders. Some great times comes from that. There is no plow it down, drop troops, rinse and repeat. Some great battles and great CV action comes at these times. I realize not everyone, or even most, can pick and choose the times they can play and most can`t play the game at the above mentioned times., so it`s prime time or nothing. Make it a little more enjoyable for everyone. It has to start somewhere at sometime or it will only get worse.
The numbers reach their largest during U.S. prime time , then it turns into monkey see, monkey do. It`s really lame and destroys gameplay for base taking , furballers, GVers....everyone, and it is getting worse and worse.
This is not a " play my way or else" statement. I`m simply asking that the larger squads from ALL countries spread it out a little, give a little thought as to gameplay.
Ahh hell.....in other words--------> grow a pair.
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Jackal I know a lot of complained about this before, but no one going to stop. Thats the way some of these people in here are and they dont care. Except for us you have to deal with it and our night gets ruined because of it.
Canaris
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Originally posted by Jackal1
.....and mission planners.
Please spread things out a little on your squad nights.
As a duly appointed Squadron Commander and Horde Supervisor, I feel qualified to respond to this post.
No.
Shubie
CO, Birds of Prey 69th Peregrines
XO, Birds of Prey
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Originally posted by rshubert
As a duly appointed Squadron Commander and Horde Supervisor, I feel qualified to respond to this post.
No.
Shubie
CO, Birds of Prey 69th Peregrines
XO, Birds of Prey
Yep, your more than qualified and was one of the ones I`m refering to. Just spread it out. Overkill is not becoming to a BOP.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Yep, your more than qualified and was one of the ones I`m refering to. Just spread it out. Overkill is not becoming to a BOP.
You guys crack me up.
The most realistic (you know, like real WW2 operations) gameplay in this game is the "horde". Planes did not fly around in 2s and 3s in the war. They flew around in squadron size or larger gaggles.
Thousand plane raids. Rodeos involving several WINGS of fighters. Circuses, sweeps, and large-scale attacks. Compared to that, 20 BoPs or so attacking one airfield is a pale imitation.
And, they didn't do it that way due to lack of skill or courage. They did it that way to effectively carry out their mission, and to destroy the enemy.
Like what we do, except with real risk, real danger, and actual tangible results. We, of course, are only playing...
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Originally posted by rshubert
You guys crack me up.
The most realistic (you know, like real WW2 operations) gameplay in this game is the "horde". Planes did not fly around in 2s and 3s in the war. They flew around in squadron size or larger gaggles.
It is pretty widely accepted that realism and fun are diametrically opposed.
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BOPS used to like a good fight... I only see jerr, ^falc and ^pt these days keeping up that tradition.
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And, they didn't do it that way due to lack of skill or courage. They did it that way to effectively carry out their mission, and to destroy the enemy
Exactly everything wrong with both "the game" and possibly society as a whole these days....
It's a stinkin game, its not a "mission" and the other guy isn't the "enemy"...he's just another noob sitting in front of his puter....just like you. Your not gaining anything of value by being a part of the horde...and your losing something valuable...the ability to play a game with some semblance of skill.
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Originally posted by HUN
BOPS used to like a good fight... I only see jerr, ^falc and ^pt these days keeping up that tradition.
Oh, I don't know...what about Thrila, Waffle, BadCarma, and about a dozen others? BTW, if you see PTBops, tell him I'm looking for him...gonna be near Cleveland on Tuesday.
shubie
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Originally posted by HUN
BOPS used to like a good fight... I only see jerr, ^falc and ^pt these days keeping up that tradition.
Oh, I don't know...what about Thrila, Waffle, BadCarma, and about a dozen others? BTW, if you see PTBops, tell him I'm looking for him...gonna be near Cleveland on Tuesday.
shubie
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It's a stinkin game, its not a "mission" and the other guy isn't the "enemy"...he's just another noob sitting in front of his puter....just like you. Your not gaining anything of value by being a part of the horde...and your losing something valuable...the ability to play a game with some semblance of skill.
Hopefully this paragraph will be an epiphany to some ... hopefully.
It's OK .. walk towards the light ... it won't hurt at all ... I promise.
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Originally posted by humble
It's a stinkin game, its not a "mission" and the other guy isn't the "enemy"...he's just another noob sitting in front of his puter....just like you. Your not gaining anything of value by being a part of the horde...and your losing something valuable...the ability to play a game with some semblance of skill.
Well, if you were to review my posts over time, you would find that we agree that this is a game. My referring to the reasons for large-group tactics in war has nothing to do with that opinion, it had more to do with countering the usual "horde weenies are cowards" comeback.
If we both agree that it is a game, there is no value in what we do outside the framework of the game. Your assumption that there is any valuable lesson to be learned from this game is therefore incorrect. Even if it were correct, I would then balance the acquired skills of group tactics, teamwork, and leadership against your acquired skills in simulated ACM.
I would then assert that those skills I have gained are more valuable to me in the real world than skill at simulated ACM.
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Originally posted by Yippee38
It is pretty widely accepted that realism and fun are diametrically opposed.
By whom? I'm having a ball. If this weren't pure, escapist fun for me, I would be playing Tomb Raider or Duke Nukem or...
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If we both agree that it is a game, there is no value in what we do outside the framework of the game. Your assumption that there is any valuable lesson to be learned from this game is therefore incorrect. Even if it were correct, I would then balance the acquired skills of group tactics, teamwork, and leadership against your acquired skills in simulated ACM.
I kinda learned those things in real life, playing organized sports and in the Army. In organized sports (with the exception of Hockey/power plays) the numbers always match and you win by individual skill and leadership (and tactics) that can't rely on having an extra 11 players on the field.
In the military it's nice to have overwhelming numbers (and superior intel and equipment), but you still rely on individual skill (training) and leadership that can function and win (hopefully) without an overwhelming numerical advantage if required.
To say there there is any special leadership skill or teamwork involved in winning by outnumbering an opponent 3 or 4 to 1 is a bit of a stretch. I mean, how hard is it to say, "let's hit 51, you bring the goon. Be sure to get the GV hanger" while your swarm beat down the handful of defenders that may actually be defending that particular base? Now, if you can take a base when opposed by greater odds -- that's an accomplishment. But the hordes never really seem to seek out anyting approaching even odds.
Charon
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Originally posted by rshubert
Compared to that, 20 BoPs or so attacking one airfield is a pale imitation.
It`s not just BOPS in your missions , but you know that. If it were 20 BOPS we wouldn`t be having the discussion to begin with. As a matter of fact, it`s not just BOPS, period. I`m appealing to all of the larger squads with multi-wings, etc.
You mentioned Waffle and thrila in another post. Great guys and great players in the game. That`s just it. Using BOPs as an example in this instance, I would say there are many , many in the different wings that are great guys and a hoot to fly with. They don`t need the 2 to 3 dar bars and the instatrashing of bases.
Quite frankly , the guys you mention are waaaaay out of your league.
Just a simple request really that would improve gameplay. Just have a little forethought on your squad nights. It will make it more enjoyable for everyone, including those in your missions.
No matter what lengths is went to by HT and staff, in the end it boils down to the players to make the game tick. Just like in life , we can`t force anyone to stop taking a crap on the porch, then track it in on the carpet. It`s totaly up to you, but we can certainly tell you how bad it stinks.
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Originally posted by rshubert
As a duly appointed Squadron Commander and Horde Supervisor, I feel qualified to respond to this post.
No.
Shubie
CO, Birds of Prey 69th Peregrines
XO, Birds of Prey
And this is quite possibly everything that is wrong with the game right now. Those with the power to do something about gameplay have a responsibility to the community and to the good of the game to do so. Being a squad CO and the leader of a large squad, you could very easily plan your ops to lessen the gameplay killing effects of the horde and actually at the same time increase your countries ability to take bases by spreading your forces out more effectively. I mean, what could be better? You guys could kill more toolsheds, take even more bases, gameplay would be better, the horde would be less of a problem and all would be better in the skies of AH. Then again, it's your choice.
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Originally posted by Stang
And this is quite possibly everything that is wrong with the game right now. Those with the power to do something about gameplay have a responsibility to the community and to the good of the game to do so. Being a squad CO and the leader of a large squad, you could very easily plan your ops to lessen the gameplay killing effects of the horde and actually at the same time increase your countries ability to take bases by spreading your forces out more effectively. I mean, what could be better? You guys could kill more toolsheds, take even more bases, gameplay would be better, the horde would be less of a problem and all would be better in the skies of AH. Then again, it's your choice.
Not to mention that it would actualy give the squaddies something fun to do instead of flying in circles after everything has been plowed down seeing who can do the best Sylvester impressions. :D
For some strange reason someone is conspicuously missing from this thread.
T`is OK, I`ll keep Fishin. :D
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At least in the horde the "team" can do something. I'm getting pretty frustrated at logging on, finding the rooks getting creamed, hunting for a place to fly with some semblance of effectiveness, and logging off in disgust.
At least on Sunday nights the rooks can get soemthing done. 'Course, my frame rate keeps me form being part of the horde, so I actually DO go elsewhere to fight those nights....
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What I`m talking about here is anywhere from 2 to 3 full dar bars on one friggin base. Noobs or horde masters would see a squad mission going to a base, then run another mission hot on it`s tail.
Monday night, same thing. The FHs, BHs, VHs, ord, troops, dar, outhouses, town, rabbits, wildlife, everything down and still a mass swarm.
Im glad im not the only one that noticed this. I am wondering what happend to this game, and when it happened.
When the game was 5 days in a row with either no enemy or 5 v 50 enemy, all high, zooming in from outer space HO after HO in big numbers I just had enough :(
And whats the deal with killing FH? Don't people want to fight other planes? Is this not a flight simulator any more?
What is the point of 10-20 planes chasing one enemy? Is that a good fight?
Well I deleted my account for now, and try to play H2H untill somthing positive happends with this game.
I just can't understand why in a Flight Simulator the main interest suddenly is in vulching, camping, killing FH and hording?
I used to think there is not enough missions going on, but now I dont know what to think about that.
If takeing bases, vulching and hording is the main point, this is not a flight sim IMO any more...
Maybe the scoring system should be changed?
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I think a greater solution than cutting back the horde is to broadcast its possition on CH200 and challenge an enmey horde to deffend against it.
a horde meeting another horde provides one fo the best, most enjoyable dogfights around.
1 on 1s are great, possibly the best fun to have here.
But there is nothing quite the same as two massive flights hitting each other at a predetermined point.
When people change their game plan from taking bases to creating fights, then we might see a change.
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Originally posted by Stone
Is this not a flight simulator any more?
This is directly from HTC web page:
"Aces High takes the art and science of vintage WWII air combat
and sets it in an online high intensity environment
where hundreds of players can battle it out with and against
each other. High fidelity air combat is the heart of Aces High,
but it doesn't end there. In addition to flying a multitude of
aircraft types, players can also man vehicles, boats, amphibs,
gun batteries, and ships. It's the most diverse virtual arsenal
available to players in this genre and it's constantly growing
through frequent updates. In the air, on land, and at sea, the
battle rages 24 hours a day with participants from around the
world."
I'ld say it's a WWII combat sim, that leans towards flight more than anything else.
SCDR
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Originally posted by rshubert
As a duly appointed Squadron Commander and Horde Supervisor, I feel qualified to respond to this post.
No.
Shubie
CO, Birds of Prey 69th Peregrines
XO, Birds of Prey
LOLOLOL These guys have got to be Bish.
My regards,
Widewing
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As a member of ~~The Unforgiven~~ and newly appointed XO of the new wing, I want to reply to this post. We are a fairly large squad, and we do the occasional horde tactic, but over all we train alot in NOE base capture missions. I am not going into great detail, but we find great satisfaction in capturing bases with very little damage to the actual base itself. Dont get me wrong, we do enjoy the occasional furball, but we also getting together as a squad and having fun. After all, thats what its all about.... right?
Mystic2
XO ~~The Unforgiven TW~~:aok
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hordes are ok... they allow the players who don't have a joystick or even a tiny bit of hand eye coordination like shubie to be able to be noticed and feel part of the game.
lazs
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I know I'm a n00b (of sorts). But....
I don't get what the argument is about.
Aces High has a built in overlying scenario... Capture the base. A horde can capture a base better than one or two fighters on their own.
How about, instead of trying to convince the "horde" to not "horde" in, convince your own countrymen that that huge bar-dar needs some attention?
A part of the reason the "horde" is such a big problem is, even when someone spots it AS ITS TAKING OFF and with plenty of warning, NO ONE helps in defense. So the 3 or 4 kind souls who actaully paid attention to the multiple "Large numbers of bombers and fighters, upping 11 heading A6" calls, get slaughtered, becuase those 3 guys were defending against a "large number" (which in at least one case last night amounted to 8 fighters and 6 17/24 groups).
You're not playing a 1 v 1 online flight sim. You can use the HtH option, or dueling arena for that. The Main Arena is a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER area, and so therefore, you have a "massive" amount of players, styles, and personalities to account for. You now have the possibility of intelligent wingmen to fly with, and attempt to thwart attacks or create your own. If the idea was nothing but A2A duels, HT would never have made bases, troops, VH, HQ, etc, etc, etc, captureable and destructable.
Again, maybe my misunderstanding is because I'm "born again new" so to speak. But even in beta you'd have big groups attacking one place. It was just more common that a competing group would up to help take them down. Now, everyone always seems to be off doing their own thing.
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the only smart and meanigful and realistc way to play AH is for everyone to join the country with the highest numbers.. then everyone could be part of the mission to take all the deserted bases and get to be part of the win... real war you don't take chances!!
lazs
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Well then, any one know a good flight sim?
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Originally posted by Knite
I know I'm a n00b (of sorts). But....
I don't get what the argument is about.
Aces High has a built in overlying scenario... Capture the base. A horde can capture a base better than one or two fighters on their own.
How about, instead of trying to convince the "horde" to not "horde" in, convince your own countrymen that that huge bar-dar needs some attention?
OK, let me try to splain it Lucy.
I have nothing against base capture or squad ops. As a matter of fact I think they are great. The attack is what winds my clock in the game , so to speak. (Well actualy what I like the most is attack as a matter of defense. In other words , deny the enemy by counter attack , etc.)
What I am speaking of here is , simply put, overkill. 2 to 3 or more full dar bars hitting one base. This ,IMHO, basicaly stops gameplay for both teams in question. After the first mass run , everything at that base is down, so it stops activity at that base. It leaves the attacking team flying around in circles over the base doing their best standup comedy on vox until a goon arrives because there is nothing else to do. On the other hand it leaves the opposing team very little choice also. It`s sort of hard to mount a counter attack from a distant base to fight 2 to 3 dar bars hovering over the base like God 6.
Normaly while this is being done by one team you can look around on the map and see the opposing team doing the same somewhere else. It`s like a snowball rolling down hill headed for hell ( sorry Merle). :D
What makes an attack a blast is the battle that it produces. If the attack is so large it can`t be defended against, no battle, no fun for either side.
As far as your statement about not convincing the horde not to horde, but instead convince your countrymen the horde needs some attention.......well just scroll up and I think you might find the answer to that.
What I am asking for is the larger squads, with multiple wings, to use a little discretion on their squad nights. Just disperse missions, etc. to numerous bases instead of everyone piling on the same bus and going to happy town for the carnival.
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HTC aint gonna make any changes to the "Horde" that doesn't come with $$$ attached. Think about it... the Horde is what brings home HTC's bacon. Simple equation really.
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Originally posted by Tumor
HTC aint gonna make any changes to the "Horde" that doesn't come with $$$ attached. Think about it... the Horde is what brings home HTC's bacon. Simple equation really.
Not asking HT to make any changes. As stated before, no matter what HTC does, when it all boils down to the nitty gritty it`s up to the players to decide how the game is going to shake out.
IMHO the more the merrier as far as player numbers goes. Every once in a while we just need to offer up some different views on how things play out ingame.
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Originally posted by Stone
And whats the deal with killing FH? Don't people want to fight other planes? Is this not a flight simulator any more?
ok, ganging aside here, this game does have a strategic element here. first not allowed to pork fuel, and now a call to have FH indestructable:confused: lol.
first having FH destroyed may actually cut down on the amount of vulching. second, if a country is being hoarded you used to pork fuel, now have to kill troops, and if that doesnt help, knocking down FHs will.
people have to realize that the MA is not the DA, yes there are people trying to win the war not just flying around looking for the fairest, most equal fight. i do not like the massive ganging that i see which is always at its worst during US primtime. you might like H2H better, or even DA, though often i dont see many in the DA. but the MA *beats dead horse* is full of 2 camps. those who want to win the war, and those that dont care about the war. HTC tries to balance these 2 camps but some will not be happy until one camp gets all that they want.
i might also suggest that ganging is not only created by people who want to win, but by people who dont care about the war but only want to fly in numbers hopefully getting easy kills.
is HT's game, like it or not your choice to play, make a suggestion but try to keep some perspective on things. trippy
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Originally posted by Jackal1
This is not a " play my way or else" statement. I`m simply asking that the larger squads from ALL countries spread it out a little, give a little thought as to gameplay.
Ahh hell.....in other words--------> grow a pair.
Jackal, what do you want as a result? Free vulch, capture for your squad or something else? I just do not understand, I normally deack the field, call for support, vulch it till I am sure they can do it without me, then do it with other field. Fastest way to move stratwise.
Or it is not about strat and some other reason for this post?
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Originally posted by Fariz
Jackal, what do you want as a result? Free vulch, capture for your squad or something else? I just do not understand, I normally deack the field, call for support, vulch it till I am sure they can do it without me, then do it with other field. Fastest way to move stratwise.
Or it is not about strat and some other reason for this post?
Fariz somehow I get the feeling that you either didn`t read the post through or that I didn`t do a very good job at making my point.
I am certainly aware of how you go about the game. We usualy in end up at the same places , working toward the same goals in the A.M. , U.S. central time. Like I said in an earlier post here, that`s when I think things go much more smoothly ingame for all involved.
I`m not sure how much time you spend ingame during U.S. primetime.
What I am referring to here is the approach that is being used by some of the multi-wing squads during their squad nights. IMHO, 2, 3 or more full dar bars at one single base kills gameplay for both teams in question, especialy when the mode of operation seems to be to flatten the field with the first initial run.
Check out some of the multi-wing squad nights for yourself during U.S. primetime and I think you will see what is happening.
Basicaly, once again, all I am doing is simply asking the multi-wing squads and the mission planners that play during those times to use a little discretion and to not use an overkill tactic that stops gameplay for all involved.
I`m not asking for anything for my squad Fariz. I don`t have to , nor do I speak for them.
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Originally posted by Stang
And this is quite possibly everything that is wrong with the game right now. Those with the power to do something about gameplay have a responsibility to the community and to the good of the game to do so. Being a squad CO and the leader of a large squad, you could very easily plan your ops to lessen the gameplay killing effects of the horde and actually at the same time increase your countries ability to take bases by spreading your forces out more effectively. I mean, what could be better? You guys could kill more toolsheds, take even more bases, gameplay would be better, the horde would be less of a problem and all would be better in the skies of AH. Then again, it's your choice.
We all play the same game with the same rules. Crying about how unfair it is when one side get organized is not only ignorant, it show an extreme lack of maturity. Take some responsability for your own situation, and do something constructive. People generally get very tired of hearing a constant whine of 'whoa is me....its not fair', all it does is show a lack of class and total derth of a desire to excel.
I am amazed that you can come up with a grand idea for others to play the game 'your way' and give all kinds of details and reasons its better....but I see nothing about you getting your team off its collective arse and follow a plan to offset the enemy. It reminds me of the 15-20 year old dweebs I play on Mortal Kombat Online. They moan and groan that I 'block too much' or I 'never kick' or 'always kick' (depends on my mood), they cant take responsability or accept the fact that they have more to learn.
So try learning how to defeat the hoard, or deal with it.
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PS: If some squads did spread it out I can hear the whines next week:
"We didnt have a singe front line base to take off from":rofl
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Fariz somehow I get the feeling that you either didn`t read the post through or that I didn`t do a very good job at making my point.
My English is not that good, often I miss the point which is apparent to others. No offence here, was interested to clear out your point.
I join AH during US prime time sometimes, and I do not like what I see at the small maps. Same story with large maps in the Åuro time.
Hope that TOD will solve this problem for many of us. It will unload MA, and high numbers and squad will only make TOD more interesting. TOD is the main reason I am with AH still. Hope HTC is going for it, because it is the longest wait for any game or game version I have had in my life up to date.
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first having FH destroyed may actually cut down on the amount of vulching
guess what else will cut down on the vulches? upping at a different base :D :aok now there is a novel idea.
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Originally posted by ALF
We all play the same game with the same rules. Crying about how unfair it is when one side get organized is not only ignorant, it show an extreme lack of maturity. Take some responsability for your own situation, and do something constructive. People generally get very tired of hearing a constant whine of 'whoa is me....its not fair', all it does is show a lack of class and total derth of a desire to excel.
I am amazed that you can come up with a grand idea for others to play the game 'your way' and give all kinds of details and reasons its better....but I see nothing about you getting your team off its collective arse and follow a plan to offset the enemy. It reminds me of the 15-20 year old dweebs I play on Mortal Kombat Online. They moan and groan that I 'block too much' or I 'never kick' or 'always kick' (depends on my mood), they cant take responsability or accept the fact that they have more to learn.
So try learning how to defeat the hoard, or deal with it.
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PS: If some squads did spread it out I can hear the whines next week:
"We didnt have a singe front line base to take off from":rofl
I sense from this post that you regularly hide in the horde and feel very threatened by any chance of it being countered. Yet I don't know because frankly I have never seen you in the air, ever, so how would you know what I do in the game?
Complain? Want others to fly "my way?" Hell no, I love going into the big hordes and breaking out the seal club and putting you toolshed spankers right back into the tower. Get a clue. And if you don't believe me, ask anyone in game who knows me.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
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What makes an attack a blast is the battle that it produces. If the attack is so large it can`t be defended against, no battle, no fun for either side.
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If the majority of players thought this way, there wouldn't be a problem.
But they don't.
If they don't have The Horde, they just pork everything so at least they don't lose bases. I rarely see the two smaller countries attack the biggest - it's usually the other way around.
You won't get the people in the MA to change their behavior by asking. Why should they? The game lets them "win" doing what they're doing.
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Wow, one group of tards telling another group of tards how to play the game, this is orginal. :aok
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
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You won't get the people in the MA to change their behavior by asking. [/B]
OH I don`t know about that. It`s worked numerous times in the past. I`m not really concerned with the negativie replies in this thread. Considering who they are coming from it was expected, but they are some that are in positions to think about and act on the request that have a little more respect for the game and it`s players. They are reading the request as it was meant , simply a request. Nothing to lose by trying it.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
What I am asking for is the larger squads, with multiple wings, to use a little discretion on their squad nights. Just disperse missions, etc. to numerous bases instead of everyone piling on the same bus and going to happy town for the carnival.
Hey Jackal =) Thanks for not ripping on my n00bness in a response. hehe.
There's no harm in asking at all. Maybe the best solution would be a little bit of what both you and I suggest? If the big squads "pace themselves" a little, and our own sides can work a little better together, that'd allow for some big arse furballs, with less "hopelessness" feeling.
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Originally posted by rshubert
As a duly appointed Squadron Commander and Horde Supervisor, I feel qualified to respond to this post.
No.
Shubie
CO, Birds of Prey 69th Peregrines
XO, Birds of Prey
Second.
sullie
CO, Birds of Prey 363rd Raptors
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Originally posted by Knite
Hey Jackal =) Thanks for not ripping on my n00bness in a response. hehe.
There's no harm in asking at all. Maybe the best solution would be a little bit of what both you and I suggest? If the big squads "pace themselves" a little, and our own sides can work a little better together, that'd allow for some big arse furballs, with less "hopelessness" feeling.
LOL yep that`s the idea, only I`m not requesting that they pace themselves so much as just to hit multiple bases instead of with the 2, 3 or more dar bars instead of everyone going to one single base. If some of them "paced" themselves anymore than they allready are they would pass out of pure boredom of their own making. :D
See directly above for reference. :)
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Well honestly, I say let it alone. There was nothing better than seeing a huge horde come in (obviously a mission) up a dweeb ride and go to intercept. Shoot one down, get the kill message: you have killed so and so MAW or FB so and so, then go on squad channel and yell "FREEBIRDS AT 10!!!" and watch them all auger to up in a rally.
This used to happen with the ltars as well. One of us would be in a gv, happen upon an ltar, get a kill, and just know there are multitudes of them on their way in. This just incites great fights. Lately its been the JBs... had some great squad fights with them every now and again. I say bigger hordes, and you all should change your names to something similar so I know what to look for :D
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Well honestly, I say let it alone. There was nothing better than seeing a huge horde come in (obviously a mission) up a dweeb ride and go to intercept. Shoot one down, get the kill message: you have killed so and so MAW or FB so and so, then go on squad channel and yell "FREEBIRDS AT 10!!!" and watch them all auger to up in a rally.
This used to happen with the ltars as well. One of us would be in a gv, happen upon an ltar, get a kill, and just know there are multitudes of them on their way in. This just incites great fights. Lately its been the JBs... had some great squad fights with them every now and again. I say bigger hordes, and you all should change your names to something similar so I know what to look for :D
Howdy Howie. :D
Well I agree with what you are saying here , but we are talking apples and oranges. I have nothing against missions . Sometimes they make for some great battles.
I think if you will read the original post you will get my drift.
If I am not mistaken the FBs have only one wing and I believe the same is true of the JBs. Correct me if I`m wrong. LTARs don`t even enter the picture here. The MAWs, as of late run some pretty good missions . They are a multi-wing squad. Only difference here is what I have seen lately from them is a tendency to be more strategic in the fact that they will hit multiple targets.
What I am speaking of is the multi-wing squads that on squad nights, etc. that send 2, 3 or more dar bars to a single base. In other words overkill.
Everyone on the opposing teams used to moan and groan about RJO. I was on the one of the opposing teams and what I saw was some awesome teamwork. They hit strategic targets at the same time instead of packing the bus with clowns all going to the same carnival at the same time. If our two other countries in the game knew what was coming and when and chose not to organize against it , then our bad.
What I`m speaking of here basicaly can`t be defended against and ruins gameplay for all sides involved IMHO. Just a tad bit of discretion is all it would take.
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Well if you don't think there is a Problem Switch to Knights for a month or 2. Not to say the KNights don't hord but we do get it more then we give it >)
Crims
479th Raiders
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Originally posted by Jackal1
After the first mass run , everything at that base is down, so it stops activity at that base. It leaves the attacking team flying around in circles over the base doing their best standup comedy on vox until a goon arrives because there is nothing else to do. On the other hand it leaves the opposing team very little choice also.
This is exactly how I saw the last week I was playing this game. Either in a hord listening to bad comedy on vox, or then one of the loney planes flying to a 5 vs 50 situation...
I do think AH2 was a great flight sim, not a ww2 sim.
(I dont think they attacked towns next to air fields with 10 dudes running down a map room in ww2 ;) ) j/k
Well im not paying the 15$ for now, so ofcourse I have no oppinion on MA at the moment. Its just a pitty such a good flight sim has become a "win the map by hording" contest.
And as some one says, there is not much action in DA or the other arenas.
Because the game is technically so good, and most of the players are so nice people, im sure I be back in some months or so.
I finaly got my IL2 working, after having some problems with the installation. I even got my CH pedals and Logitech j/s to work in it
:aok
Maybe I can use the saved 15$'s on buying the two sequels to IL2. If I can learn to fly the singel player stuff that is :rofl
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Originally posted by crims
Well if you don't think there is a Problem Switch to Knights for a month or 2. Not to say the KNights don't hord but we do get it more then we give it >)
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:lol :rofl :lol :rofl :lol :rofl
Wow. I needed that.
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I thought the Ltars were disbanded...
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As duly appointed nothing in particular, I'd like to point out the BoP/Bish hordes in relation to Rook hordes is miniscule at best. It would be interesting to see a Rook v Knight darbar a little more often.
HotDogMn
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Originally posted by Jackal1
C`mon guys.......what can you possibly enjoy about this?
it the perk points thing.
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
it the perk points thing.
lol I hope that`s a joke.
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Originally posted by rpm
As duly appointed nothing in particular, I'd like to point out the BoP/Bish hordes in relation to Rook hordes is miniscule at best. It would be interesting to see a Rook v Knight darbar a little more often.
HotDogMn
I hereby appoint you Assistant Horde Coordinator. Now go get me a beer!
shubie
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1104896950_example.gif)
Here`s an example.
For over 2 hours Bish kept a steady 2 dar bars going into 34 to no avail. Sad, but true.
Knights spread their attack out and started multiple attacks.They took 67,40,41,42 then had attacks going to 43, 44, and 45. All this in less than an hour. Worked like a charm.Was some pretty good action going on at 44, but for the most part the 2 dar bar heros of ours moved on to do the same lame watermelon at a Rook base. Go figure.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1104896950_example.gif)
Here`s an example.
For over 2 hours Bish kept a steady 2 dar bars going into 34 to no avail. Sad, but true.
Knights spread their attack out and started multiple attacks.They took 67,40,41,42 then had attacks going to 43, 44, and 45. All this in less than an hour. Worked like a charm.Was some pretty good action going on at 44, but for the most part the 2 dar bar heros of ours moved on to do the same lame watermelon at a Rook base. Go figure.
That's not my definition of a horde. A horde has a purpose. What you were seeing was a herd, or what we call a conga line. Hordes jump on bases and capture them. Herds mill around and eat grass.
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Originally posted by Charon
I kinda learned those things in real life, playing organized sports and in the Army. In organized sports (with the exception of Hockey/power plays) the numbers always match and you win by individual skill and leadership (and tactics) that can't rely on having an extra 11 players on the field.
In the military it's nice to have overwhelming numbers (and superior intel and equipment), but you still rely on individual skill (training) and leadership that can function and win (hopefully) without an overwhelming numerical advantage if required.
To say there there is any special leadership skill or teamwork involved in winning by outnumbering an opponent 3 or 4 to 1 is a bit of a stretch. I mean, how hard is it to say, "let's hit 51, you bring the goon. Be sure to get the GV hanger" while your swarm beat down the handful of defenders that may actually be defending that particular base? Now, if you can take a base when opposed by greater odds -- that's an accomplishment. But the hordes never really seem to seek out anyting approaching even odds.
Charon
Oh, good grief. Then why are you ragging me? If you actually learned anything, you wouldn't be biotching about it.
And I never said the lessons were unique or special. Just valuable. And in the military I was in, we operated as a team in all things--anything else could get the sub sunk. Individual skills were important, yes--but not everybody had the same skills. I operated the reactor. I knew how to fire torpedos, but not as well as a torpedoman. He couldn't operate the reactor. In a team, everybody specializes, and backs each other up. Can you find a parallel in AH? If not, ask and I will 'splain it to you.
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Originally posted by rshubert
That's not my definition of a horde. A horde has a purpose. What you were seeing was a herd, or what we call a conga line. Hordes jump on bases and capture them. Herds mill around and eat grass.
As usual with you , you failed to grasp the point. You have made your stand clear. We know why. So why not move along and let the adults chat.
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And I never said the lessons were unique or special. Just valuable. And in the military I was in, we operated as a team in all things--anything else could get the sub sunk. Individual skills were important, yes--but not everybody had the same skills. I operated the reactor. I knew how to fire torpedos, but not as well as a torpedoman. He couldn't operate the reactor. In a team, everybody specializes, and backs each other up. Can you find a parallel in AH? If not, ask and I will 'splain it to you.
You can't even apply the proper definition of Conga line so I doubt you could really explain much else about this subject to me.
Were you on a boomer? That would explain a lot. Accomplish your mission while avoiding contact can get ingrained I imagine. Hell, I even thought all that teamwork was used to defeat overwhelming Soviet odds while at a numerical disadvantage. Can you guys take bases without those odds, or when at a disadvantage? That would seem to require real skill and teamwork.
Charon
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First of all, Jackal your not refering to yourself as an adult, are you???
In my personal experiance with you as a former member of Merc Air I would rank you in with the 12 to 16 year old crowd. Shubes has behaved much more like an adult than you ever did with me.
That said while I was in your squad (Great group of guys btw) I rarely saw anything get done other than flying with you on one of your (Fly to nmy base, drop ord on some strat or other, Furball and get a kill or 2 (I do have to admit you are a competent pilot) and fly back to base to land said kills.) Oh and not to forget your favorite saying "rinse and repeat"
But for the most part this never really acomplished much.
I have been a BOP for quite some time now and I see things get done especially on squad night when said horde forms up we start missions and alot of the time we will take the target with out porking everything other than the fitghter hangers and VH. If it looks like things are going well and a capture is imminent than those that still have enuf ord and fuel continue on to the next base while those without hang around to make shure the goon gets in safely. I have seen us take 2 to 4 bases in a row useing this method.
I think the best way to describe this stratagy would be that we of the BOP's don't play with our food, we kill it, eat it and have a good time doing it.
:D
So why don't you go back to the kiddy table and squish those mashed taters through your fingers while the adults chow down on the steak.;)
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Originally posted by Flayed1
In my personal experiance with you as a former member of Merc Air I would rank you in with the 12 to 16 year old crowd. Shubes has behaved much more like an adult than you ever did with me.
That said while I was in your squad (Great group of guys btw) I rarely saw anything get done other than flying with you on one of your (Fly to nmy base, drop ord on some strat or other, Furball and get a kill or 2 (I do have to admit you are a competent pilot) and fly back to base to land said kills.)
Well looka here Granny, Ole Splayed1....... eeer Played1, whatever, is trying it again. OK, as far as age ranking we`ll put you somewhere around 6 and that`s being generous. Hoss I`m old enough to be YO Daddy.
Thank the heavens for condoms though.
Yea, I know your a little bitter there slick. I remember your great idea of the MERCs joining up and flying with the horde and your disapointment when I explained the facts to ya. I`ll tell ya again ....the MERCs are not, were not and will never be meant to be, or participate in a horde.
I`d like to thank you though for defining the perfect sorty in your above statement. Maybe you were thinking I should hand out Milk Duds or suckers at the end of each sorty as an award for being a good L`il virtual dweeb.The idea there bub was to get you up to a certain point of competency , then progress. You never made it passed the basics and I see you are still working on them. Good luck on that.
Stick with the steam roller, practice your Looney Toons impressions on vox, collect your"One Attaboy" certificate for doing nothing and move along.
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do you guys really enjoy killing toolsheds and fumbling around in the air trying not to make your mouse bump your plane into the other guys?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
do you guys really enjoy killing toolsheds and fumbling around in the air trying not to make your mouse bump your plane into the other guys?
lazs
YES, yes we do. Get that through your thick noggin, lassie. We enjoy it. Si. Oui. Da, Ja, yup, yep, uh-huh, affirmative.
Do you really enjoy flying around in little circles shooting wildly at other planes flying around in little circles?
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shooting wildly at other planes flying around in little circles?
I wish they did most of the tme its chasing runners or you have to stick your six in thier face just to get them to engage.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/22_1104896950_example.gif)
Here`s an example.
For over 2 hours Bish kept a steady 2 dar bars going into 34 to no avail. Sad, but true.
Knights spread their attack out and started multiple attacks.They took 67,40,41,42 then had attacks going to 43, 44, and 45. All this in less than an hour. Worked like a charm.Was some pretty good action going on at 44, but for the most part the 2 dar bar heros of ours moved on to do the same lame watermelon at a Rook base. Go figure.
Actauly Jackal misses one big point.
The mass Knit hoard when they had about 60+ players more than the nearest side hitting 67/40/41/42, and it wasn't spread out. It was a hoard moving from one base to another with a few guys keeping other fields busy. I happened to be one the guys trying to stop them getting 39.
Assuming we're talking last night of course. If so multiple attacks my big hairy arse. Those bars don't 'show' the true numbers.
In fact it looks like 5 dar bars to 1 and bit Bish, and who's complaining about hoards lol.
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well shubie... at least you admit it.
lazs
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Originally posted by rpm
As duly appointed nothing in particular, I'd like to point out the BoP/Bish hordes in relation to Rook hordes is miniscule at best. It would be interesting to see a Rook v Knight darbar a little more often.
HotDogMn
I have to agree with you. I found Crims statement rather interesting. I started out as a Rook and couldn't finds many good fights for a month. Just a whole lot of green icons. Could have been my noobiness but when I switched to Bish I found lots of fights. A lot of them we were very outnumbered.
Most evenings Bish get our arses handed to us so if we horde you and maybe win one or two then so be it. Organization isn't one of our greatest skills but it's getting better. Mostly because of squad leaders getting the non-squad players involved.
Not that hording is a good thing, but if you see one team up and defend against it. Something we Bish don't seem to be able to do some nights.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Actauly Jackal misses one big point.
The mass Knit hoard when they had about 60+ players more than the nearest side hitting 67/40/41/42, and it wasn't spread out. It was a hoard moving from one base to another with a few guys keeping other fields busy. I happened to be one the guys trying to stop them getting 39.
Assuming we're talking last night of course. If so multiple attacks my big hairy arse. Those bars don't 'show' the true numbers.
In fact it looks like 5 dar bars to 1 and bit Bish, and who's complaining about hoards lol.
LMAO The obvious escapes you again.
Can you see? They were hitting different bases at the same time as I explained. Get your colors right Lucy. It`s not default.
Like I said before, I believe you have made your stance clear on this issue. You intend to keep plowing along doing the same lame crap as before. So be it. We know why. So what keeps luring you back and seems to compell you to keep coming to this thread and squealing like a pig under a gate?
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Lol, what escapes me.
Instead of one humungous hoard you have 3 slightly smaller ones.
Oh and you (knits) were after 39 unless I was mis-seeing my chess pieces last night.
You really should look at the pic you posted and then explain the difference between 1 big hoard, and at least 3 slightly smaller, yet still hoards.
2 dar bar heros? Look again, theres 3 full dar bars, 2 almost full dar bars, plus whatever is at 43. So that prob comes closer to 5+ full dar bars.
Against 1 1/2 maybe, nope theyre not hoards lol.
Bit like a Rook complaining of alt monkeys this one. (puts umbrella up)
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Ummmmm Kev, I don`t to bust your bubble here, but who are you refering to as "you Knights"?
The upper fields were taken by hitting multiple targets at the same time as was the lower ones . The difference being all the clowns didn`t load up in one bus and all go to Happy Town (the same base) and plow everything under on the first pass, then spend time circling doing stand up comedy on vox while one or two sectors over their bases were being meticuously taken. If they had done the ole steam roller, 2, 3 or more dar bars going to one base then nobody would be defending against anything. It would totaly stop gameplay as discussed earlier. That`s the point.
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Oh boy look I got the 6 year old worked up and he's throwing a temper tantrum!!!! :D
Or maybe like you say your old enuf to be my daddy or maybe grand daddy because you obviously are going senile..... in that case you shouldn't be squishing mashed taters in your fingers, you should be sitting in a recliner drinking ensure.;)
Explain things to me??? you never did any such thing you simply started yelling at me forum style for the mere suggestion that we try flying on bops squad chanle because when ever I logged on there was me and maybe 1 other guy in the squad on and 2 guys in the MA can't do much.
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Actually Jackle I'm sorry, I don't want to start a fight here.
If you in a nice way had explained the problems you had with the bops way of doing things I might still be flying as a part of Merc Air. I ejoyed flying with Jodgi, spot1, stevenb (who was usually the only other squad mate on) and even you Jackal. I think I could have learned alot from you about flying a fighter :) as you can see now I am almost a full time bomber pilot.
I'm sorry you still seem to dislike me and my way of thinking and I'm sorry for the negitive comments tward you in my posts but you got me riled up a bit by being rude in your posts to my XO and squad in general.
But If you are on at the same time I am, feel free to call on me and the B.O.P. Merlins for any bombing neads. We are a great bunch of bomber pilots and will help where neaded. And for that matter Im sure the rest of the B.O.P.'s would help you in base capture activities.
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I have no idea what you are talking about" yelling at you". I haven`t had the transmit feature of vox since the beginning of AHII. .
You seem to want to turn this into a BOP thing for some reason. It`s certainly not. I think if you will take the time to go back and maybe read the thread you will find that out.
Some of the old time BOPS are the best in the game and I have flew with many on many, many occasions and had a blast. So , just because Shubie has made the statement "NO", (that took a half a page to post btw), don`t even try to go there.
Like has been said over and over here.....if you are bound and determined to continue to use the 2,3 or more dar bar mode of hitting single bases, then so be it. Can`t nobody force you or anyone to do anything, so go forth and horde, be happy.
On the other hand I have noticed that some actualy care about how the game plays out and are giving some other options a shot. That`s what the thread is about and is a simple request to ALL multi-wing squads . Wait........... AHhhh that`s better. I had to add a l`il Ensure to my coffee. :D ( Jack Daniels and Ensure are basicaly the same, right?)
Rest easy ..... I hold no ill feelings against you . As a matter of fact, I like getting my day started off with a laugh.
What I`m looking for here is the folks that sees the problem and can do something about it. Pretty simple actualy. Give it a shot, see what happens, etc. If they don`t like it they can immediately go back to their way. No biggy.
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Originally posted by lazs2
well shubie... at least you admit it.
lazs
Admit it, hell. I'm PROUD of it.
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So uuuhhh Jackal...
Not to be a smartazzzz or anything....yeah right :)
Did you get your point across?
:D
NwBie
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Originally posted by Nwbie
So uuuhhh Jackal...
Not to be a smartazzzz or anything....yeah right :)
Did you get your point across?
:D
NwBie
Lawd knows Imma tryin NwBie. :D
Kids nowadays....sheeeesh. lol
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Fly in MA, get MA.
Try the multiple events that are organized and have an attempt at balance and specific strategic goals.
Friday and Sunday Squad ops, scenarios, all need to be more populated, just sayin.
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Originally posted by ROCrats
Fly in MA, get MA.
Try the multiple events that are organized and have an attempt at balance and specific strategic goals.
The 'Fly MA, get MA" is true to a certain extent and has to be contended with , but the MA is also ever changing in trends , etc. Some good, some bad. Usualy it`s the players who change things around eventualy if it is a bad trend. The players are what makes the MA tick.
The events just don`t cut it for me and a lot of others. For those that enjoy them , that`s great, but for me it`s a practice in tedious boredom .
I`m a certified MA addict. You can have the rest.
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I think on those nights where we have so many people, folks should all head to the combat arena and do some historical buff runs.
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hey... if even guys like jakal are finding this form of so called "strat" and gameplay boring then it has got to have really gotten to the point of frustrating suckyness.
lazs
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Yea, guys like me, the ones who get into total gameplay in the MA as it is setup for, find it disgusting.
Man, I can imagine how horrific it is for guys like you, who are not into total gameplay, but only a small part of it.
(Not that there`s anything wrong with that) :D
And just to think that you thought the porking of fuel was the End `O Times. sheesh
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got to admit.... It has gotten even worse.... You got to admit tho that you and I being on the same side of this thing is strange indeed.
Your assesment of my style is accurate BTW.
lazs
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Yea, I know it`s sorta sad really. We gotta find somebody else to knife fight with on the BBS as much as allowed here anymore. I think some folks figured out that we weren`t too serious and spoiled the fun.
Seriously though, the crap that`s going on kills gameplay for anyone in any area it is used no matter what your game preference is.
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It was a lot more fun when you were the main satan and I could make fun of your handle.
lazs
Public Relations Officer For the BK's
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:D