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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NUKE on December 29, 2004, 10:39:39 PM
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Can anyone explain what good the UN is to the US? What benifit does the US enjoy by being a member of the UN?
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You spelled "benifit" wrong.
:p
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erhm... to answer your question seriously, and kind of ignorantly because, well that's what I do....
Try to picture a world made up of hundreds of countries, with no one gathering place.... with no embassies... no diplomats... no formal way of communicating.
Seriously... picture that for a sec.
It won't answer your question, and it's not really a good defence of the current system... but I think it should at least lend some kind of perspective on what there is.
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Originally posted by Nash
erhm... to answer your question seriously, and kind of ignorantly because, well that's what I do....
Try to picture a world made up of hundreds of countries, with no one gathering place.... with no embassies... no diplomats... no formal way of communicating.
Seriously... picture that for a sec.
It won't answer your question, and it's not really a good defence of the current system... but I think it should at least lend some kind of perspective on what there is.
I guess my point ( not stated or implied, mind you) is that the UN benefits plenty from the US....while the US does not benefit at all that I can see. The relationship is one way it seems.
The US would probably be better off not being a UN member state.
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K, like I said, I'm kind of ignorant on the subject... Can you first explain how the UN benefits from the US' involvement?
As it is, and except for the general benefit of having open lines of communication, I can't figure out how anyone is benefiting.
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Originally posted by Nash
K, like I said, I'm kind of ignorant on the subject... Can you first explain how the UN benefits from the US' involvement?
As it is, and except for the general benefit of having open lines of communication, I can't figure out how anyone is benefiting.
The member UN nations benefit by having a "voice" in the world that they would otherwise not have. The US gives the UN a voice plus CASH. No US, no UN.
The US gains nothing that I can see.
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Originally posted by NUKE
The US gains nothing that I can see.
Nor can I.
But maybe we're not looking hard enough.
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Originally posted by Nash
Nor can I.
But maybe we're not looking hard enough.
Pretty intelligent statement . The US would seem to be getting some kind of perceived benefit in order to continue the relationship.
I just don't see it myself.
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Originally posted by NUKE
US would seem to be getting some kind of perceived benefit in order to continue the relationship.
That's what I reckon too.
Time for the smart kids to jump in here.
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no.
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(JB88 is one of the smart guys)....
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one among many friend.
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There are embassies and Ambassadors without the UN. The percieved benefit is that a forum is provided for discussions of issues that effect more than one country. The actual beneit is zilch.
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Think geopolitically. The UN provides legitimacy to global decisions and gives the United States another tool to protect or otherwise provide support for other nations that share its world view.
If the United States leaves the UN, what happens to Israel? What happens to Middle East dynamics?
Also, the UN appears to act as a protector of the international status quo. While we may dislike it because it inhibits our ability to engage in actions that strongly disrupt the status quo, it also serves as a useful device for maintaining relationships and policies that benefit us.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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yep.
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[edit] wrote during DMF's and 88's post [/edit]
Is it a huge money-maker for everyone involved?
Stock options, the whole nine?
The reason I ask... is that besides some ****ty little apartment on the upper east side, some nice cigar shops within a block, and a police escort for the 2 block drive to work.... what's the whole incentive for these people?
There's gotta be something more to the UN... just haven't heard it here yet.
Use your imagination or something.
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Nash, I consider you American
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He is barely human, much less American.
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People like GS consider the UN as the ultimate world authority, yet what is the UN without US money and backing?
Kinda ironic.
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Cripes, you can veto everything and spy on everyone.
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Originally posted by Lizking
He is barely human, much less American.
I like Nash. He is more open minded than 90% of people here.
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Originally posted by Lizking
He is barely human, much less American.
My email is cwharton@shaw.ca
Interested in your explanation of that. But not here. Be a good sport and write.
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Look at the Canadaian Liberal get all huffy. If I wanted to talk to you in private, I would call you. Anyone who posts crap like you do, with no intent to discuss the issue, only inflame it, is like a baboon, showing his brightly colored Ass, but running away when seriously challenged.
Mine is tscarborough@gmail if you feel the need for a clarification.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Look at the Canadaian Liberal get all huffy. If I wanted to talk to you in private, I would call you. Anyone who posts crap like you do, with no intent to discuss the issue, only inflame it, is like a baboon, showing his brightly colored Ass, but running away when seriously challenged.
Mine is tscarborough@gmail if you feel the need for a clarification.
Hey Liz, you seem to be the one getting all huffy.
Care to point out some posts by Nash that are "crap" or inflammatory?
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It's a Joke, Son
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I Win!
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But if you want an example of what I mean, look for the post by him about "Invasion not so sucessful" or something misspelled along those lines.
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Yeah... I am the drive-by king.
(you cannot be serious)
And uh...
Oh yeah, the UN.
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And don't get me wrong, people that I don't like, I just ignore. I like Nash and his nonsense, but that does not mean that he gets credence for being prolific.
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sometimes, i read posts aloud using sock puppets. sometimes it helps.
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Originally posted by Lizking
And don't get me wrong, people that I don't like, I just ignore. I like Nash and his nonsense, but that does not mean that he gets credence for being prolific.
Heard that one before... and like before I had to check.
Out of a web-page full page of posts here ... I'm seein' a black dot beside 4 of them.
That's prolific?
Something different is going on with you... and I'm pretty sure that it has nothing to do with the UN.
So I got an idea.
Make a new post. All about yer greivences about me. Lets do it there. Mmm?
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TMI
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yeah...
(you just broke Nuke's thread, btw)
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Originally posted by NUKE
Can anyone explain what good the UN is to the US? What benifit does the US enjoy by being a member of the UN?
1. Some world cooperation ('till bush and his cronies had to mess it up back in '02, Euros who had business deals with Saddam can be blame too)
2. A better world, avoiding the same mistake like they did with the L.o.N.)
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Originally posted by NUKE
Can anyone explain what good the UN is to the US? What benifit does the US enjoy by being a member of the UN?
global justice ? but i doubt a us citizien knows what does means , or i'm wrong?
read this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/wtwta/2969184.stm)
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
global justice ? but i doubt a us citizien knows what does means , or i'm wrong?
read this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/wtwta/2969184.stm)
Good article that represents how many people feel. I would bet tho that some americans manages to read this as an anti-american article.
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
global justice ? but i doubt a us citizien knows what does means , or i'm wrong?
read this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/wtwta/2969184.stm)
Clare Short, need I say more.
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Originally posted by Monk
need I say more.
feel free
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Good article that represents how many people feel. I would bet tho that some americans manages to read this as an anti-american article.
there is nothing anti-american, it just shows the upcoming global,
again global problems.
Of course some here will see it different, most of them represent bush
very vell and his "und nach mir die Sintflut" agenda.
Like you said ;)
R
Gh0stFT
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Sorry.. but for a long time the us did not pay the requested membership fee to the un, did that change recently?
Also.. the us benefits in form of less war
, possibilities to penalize a country with an embargo and lots of treaties as well as world wide trade.
World wide trate is not possible without political fundamentation.
Sure, the trade is handled due to the WTO activity in the end, but not possible without UN.
And UN military operations. If no UN the US would have gone to some places without UN resolutions, causing them to have less support from other countries, less authority and harder job to get money from other nations for the costs.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
feel free
She's a quiter. She quit during the 91 Gulf War, when things were not going her way. She came back, wanted to quit again in 2003 turned around said 'It would be cowardly to quit'. Then to everyones surprise she........... Quit.
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Originally posted by NUKE
People like GS consider the UN as the ultimate world authority, yet what is the UN without US money and backing?
Kinda ironic.
can you brin gmore real info about money flow to UN ?
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"Try to picture a world made up of hundreds of countries, with no one gathering place.... with no embassies... no diplomats... no formal way of communicating."
yep... that would be like this BB without a building to run up bills in and immunity to abuse.
I would like to see the UN building moved to norway.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
"Try to picture a world made up of hundreds of countries, with no one gathering place.... with no embassies... no diplomats... no formal way of communicating."
yep... that would be like this BB without a building to run up bills in and immunity to abuse.
I would like to see the UN building moved to norway.
lazs
Moving entire buildings is not very cost effective, but hey you do it your way.
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well... we could demolish the one that is here or turn it over to the housing authority for drug addicts housing and then build a platinum studded building in norway for the UN scumbags to live in and be money ahead.
lazs
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Sounds better.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Moving entire buildings is not very cost effective, but hey you do it your way.
The U.S. could just say It's the center of our financial universe, Al Quieda would blow it up, then we say Seein' how y'all have to move, move to a different country for your vacation spot....maybe Vanuatu.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Can anyone explain what good the UN is to the US? What benifit does the US enjoy by being a member of the UN?
The UN is primarly to the benifit of the US.
At the time it was established the US was one of the dominant powers in the world and one of its main functions is to maintain and encourage that situation.
Whe else did the US bother to try to get endoresment for its stupid and imoral invasion of Iraq? Because it has usually gotten such "world" approval from its puppet orginisation the UN in the past.
With US musle and UN support Iraq had totally disarmed its weapons programs..but its a failure. Why? because they wouldnt rubber stamp the invasion. So it is irrelivent.
If your pissed about this "skimpy" thing..it was a stupid thing to say..if saying stupid things means that the UN is of no benifit to the US what benifit is your president..who has never said a clever thing in his life?
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Originally posted by Pongo
With US muscle and UN support Iraq had totally disarmed its weapons programs..
The only reason we know they've totally disarmed (ignoring they were going to jump back in as soon as they had a chance) was because the coalition went in and found out. Using inspectors was a failure it didn't do it in 12 years and it wasn't going to comfirm it in another 3.
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If the US were to pull out of the UN today, crisis would follow for alot of countries. I say, "Give the people what they want". When the begging to return begins, flip them the finger. After it is all done, push the bandwagon off of the cliff. Where in the f^&k were the "UN donations" when Florida was decimated by Hurricanes? Some of you make me sick to my stomach.
You spew ignorance more often than flatulence. What makes me laugh more is the simple fact that idiots all over the world will hate the "average American" due to Bush being our President. It's ironic, I don't dislike the French people because of Chirac being the PM. Wait, I know, I was raised better than that.
(This is for Octavius) :aok
Karaya
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
If the United States leaves the UN, what happens to Israel? What happens to Middle East dynamics?
-- Todd/Leviathn
Nothing happens to Israel, they would still have our support.
What happens to Middle East Dynamics...the Terrorists would lose their apologist mouthpieces in the U.N. We would gain some of our own valuable real estate.
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The UN is primarly to the benifit of the US.
:rofl
Try World War II launched the US to superpower status. A position this country has historically never sought out.
UN did not have squat to do with it. The purpose of the UN was to prevent another World War.
Crumpp
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Originally posted by Crumpp
The purpose of the UN was to prevent another World War.
Crumpp
Then it has been a success hasnt it?
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Then it has been a success hasnt it?
That has yet to be seen. The world of 2005 is a much more dangerous place than the world of 1985.
Crumpp
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Dubya says we're safer. :)
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Originally posted by Sandman
Dubya says we're safer. :)
Just as safe as we have always been.
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Speaking of moving the UN building.... Maybe to Switzerland. A perceived neutral place for an organization that's supposed to be neutral.
BTW, howdy all ;c)
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SaburoS! There ya are. :) Welcome back!
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No kidding... welcome back. :)
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The UN is nothing more than an antiquated auction house now, a once valued venue for powerfull govn'ts to accert their corporate agendas. Sold to the highest bidder the resources of struggling third world nations, with little or no regard for human rights.
Many examples, the Congo, Iran, Iraq Guatemalan, Nicaraguan. The irony how others cry foul, call it corrupt since the players and management have come to a parting of terms.
I've worked and spent enough time in NY City, to know it should be known as payoff city. Can't think of a better place for the UN.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Think geopolitically. The UN provides legitimacy to global decisions and gives the United States another tool to protect or otherwise provide support for other nations that share its world view.
If the United States leaves the UN, what happens to Israel? What happens to Middle East dynamics?
Also, the UN appears to act as a protector of the international status quo. While we may dislike it because it inhibits our ability to engage in actions that strongly disrupt the status quo, it also serves as a useful device for maintaining relationships and policies that benefit us.
-- Todd/Leviathn
To sum it up...keep your friends close and your enemies closer.