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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sp4de on December 29, 2004, 11:30:13 PM
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Well, Flying Tonight and my squaddie Adog31st was being pursued bye a 190. So as soon as i got to adog he was shot down. I was about 400k from the 190 and thought why not. So i fired about 30 rounds him. Flew bye and all of a sudden i heard 'b00m!' "you killed pacerr#1" appeared.. i was amazed and kept flying.. All up intill i received this. Ps: this is very lame, sad, pathetic, etc
ITS A GAME! no need to say nasty things.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/605_1104383953_untitled.jpg)
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removeing PM'ing between different sides would fix this, and the "spy" problem
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Forget that crap, I wanna know what Mrs. Sceva looks like :D j/k
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Originally posted by Overlag
removeing PM'ing between different sides would fix this, and the "spy" problem
Forget that. I PM people often and try to be polite. Others do as well. It's also a great way to set up duels, ask how they did something, etc.
As for spys... Who cares? Map resets every Wednesday anyway.
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I've shot down pacerr b4 but never got a mean or nasty message from him. He has shot me down b4 as well and I sent him a meassage saying " I'd salute you pacerr for the kill but you never return them so why bother" All in all just another day in the MA.
I'd say forget about it and just go on. Chalk it up to maybe someone having a bad day. I'm not sticking up for pacerr at all here so don't get that impression. I'm a Bishop and he is the enemy as far as I'm concerned. There are many others here who type that crap on the text buffer after you kill them. Evidently they can kill all they want but when you kill them you are a HO Dweeb or pick some nasty bad name.
Kids will be kids.
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Originally posted by Overlag
removeing PM'ing between different sides would fix this, and the "spy" problem
No way !
PM is a great way to send someone a if you happen to kill them in a good fight, rather than on ch200 and announcing it to
the arena.
There's also lots of folks on the "other team" that I chat to on private.
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There's also lots of folks on the "other team" that I chat to on private. :aok
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This certainly is a good example why it is best to hold your tongue in the arena. It makes you look bad when it hits the BBS, or on channel 200. You can look so dweebish with a whine, and in front of the whole MA that listens to 200.
No matter how high your temper flies (my joystick has hit the wall many times). Just don't type a thing. Talk it out with your buddies in your squad if you have to.
But just bite your tongue and wait, you will get him back :)
Unless of course it is Fester who shot you down, then just bite your tongue ;)
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Originally posted by Slash27
There's also lots of folks on the "other team" that I chat to on private. :aok
just to clarify that's "on the other team" not "batting for the other team" ;)
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I have received messages from him like this a couple of times.
It is the typical rankpotato response, dont like dying.
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lol my response would be,
don't get in front of my guns ;-P********
:p
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It's too bad there's no way to squelch individual players... oh wait.
-Sik
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You know a little bit of training can REALLY help with that problem.
All you have to do when you feel the urge comeing on to say something you know you probably will regret. Is reach up, hit Alt-F4.
NOW say it.
Walk away, cool off, take a breather. We ALL deal with frustration, the secret is to deal with it, not share it.
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Originally posted by Furball
I have received messages from him like this a couple of times.
It is the typical rankpotato response, dont like dying.
kinda like shane, yet he does it on open channel.... ;)
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Yeah but Shane is actually funny more than offensive. I enjoy killing time as I fly to target reading his comments. I think if you kill Shane and don't get insulted, that's when you should feel insulted:D
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Originally posted by Overlag
kinda like shane, yet he does it on open channel.... ;)
there is a difference between taunting and intent, i'm one of the worst for taunting.
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Hell, thats nothin. You should try getting cussed a blue streak on VOX by some dweeb from the 64th. Now thats an experience.:D
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That is a pretty weak pm. I take it as a compliment if I get someone that mad. Going and posting on bbs is hella weak.
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Pay it no mind. He's 12 and is upset because he has yet to grow hair on his nuts. Poor guy.
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No way should PMing other side be removed.
I very often chat with enemies after a good fight talkin about it, sharing a laugh and discussing what could have been made better. Ive learned just as much about flying from talkin to my enemies as talking to my friends. Ive through this made friends on several sides and it makes the game more enjoying.
Part of playing a multi player game is interacting with others. Removing interaction with the other side makes the enemy be just dots on the screen and not people whom you respect.
Lameness is acts out of lack of respect for the other player.
Removing means of interaction with other people makes the game much less personal and hence even harder to understand the need of respect for ones enemies.
If Im not wrong there is a "mute" function. If someone is beeing a moron over private channel then mute him.
Tex
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i think he post that because you just plain old sux! :rofl ha ha ha :rofl (jk.. spadel your the man!).. i guess if you go and HO someone.... then you deserve such a post...
ive shot down shane twice and he never said anything to me.. i guess im insulted!!! :(
ohh one more...
you are ranked 18XX and you shoot down someone ranked 15. hell i would say some sh*t to ya also..
navajo :aok
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you are ranked 18XX and you shoot down someone ranked 15. hell i would say some sh*t to ya also..
RANK MEANS watermelon !!!!
When will you people learn that ... nor does it entitle you to PM somebody with that kind of message.
Current Tour Rank ...
Leviathn ... 1589
Drex ... 4039
Shane ... 1449
Nomde ... 760
38MAW ... 1807
Nomak ... 2589
YUCCA ... 2202
... the list goes on.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Current Tour Rank ...
Leviathn ... 1589
Drex ... 4039
Shane ... 1449
Nomde ... 760
38MAW ... 1807
Nomak ... 2589
YUCCA ... 2202
wow drex really does suck
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SEE!
lol (jk)
navajo:aok
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Im tired of complaining about people HOing. So now my goal in the MA is to see how many people I can piss off. Its tons more fun, and alot less stressful. (Its a clue when you pay for something to enjoy and it becomes a hassle)
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Yeah but Shane is actually funny more than offensive. I enjoy killing time as I fly to target reading his comments. I think if you kill Shane and don't get insulted, that's when you should feel insulted:D
Yeah, that happened to me 3 times in one night. I cried like a baby when I still didn't get a rise out of him after the third one. :(
Back to the original post; Sp4de I used to get a bit ticked off by comments like that too, but I realised after a time that it is better to take it as a back-handed compliment. You surprised the dude, and he wasn't expecting you to be in a position to kill him. You won. Smile :)
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Getting kinda po'd here Slapshot
Why is it you never put me on that list?
Oh wait, I understand, that is their overall rank, their fighter rank is probably way lower......
Nevermind...
:)
NwBie
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Maybe he shouldn't put himself in that position! Then he wouldn't get HO'ed!! :rofl
I am with BlueJ1....if they want to HO, I will die just to slam into them and rip off some wings!!!
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RANK MEANS watermelon !!!!
He is exactly right.....These guys fighter ranks this tour aren't Bad at all...and they will beat me 9 outta 10 times. My fighter rank is better than all but 2 of em.
Slap is exactly right....Ranks means nothing. Nadda. Zip. Zilch.
Fighter Rank
Levi - 108
Shane -12
Nomde-506
38MAW-291
Nomka-369
YUCCA-646
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I got that kind of private msgs, from Pacerr, but does't bother me, i vulched him many times soo i don't think he's score potato, Score potatos are not upping from CAPed bases
He flies smart that D9 or temp, maybe he's too ambitious,and take the game too serious, or he should learn to losse like a gentleman, it's just a game.
He saved a lot of knight bases, is a real pain in the arse, killing our goon many times over town,
I would like to see players like Pacerr in Bishland
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Im tired of complaining about people HOing. So now my goal in the MA is to see how many people I can piss off. Its tons more fun, and alot less stressful. (Its a clue when you pay for something to enjoy and it becomes a hassle)
:) :) Nothing better than a jousting around in a furball with a 110. Totally mindless and skill-less, but oh so darn fun! :) :)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
you are ranked 18XX and you shoot down someone ranked 15. hell i would say some sh*t to ya also..
RANK MEANS watermelon !!!!
When will you people learn that ... nor does it entitle you to PM somebody with that kind of message.
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Complete BS! Only rank means something, all that whines about how great you are mean nothing.
Considering ACM and 1v1 fight results as a measure of fighter pilot skills is exactly the same as hiring a programmer who is better formatting his code regardless of quality of this code. ACM is just one, and not the most important, part of pilot skills. Rank is not the best way to compare two pilots but at least it is much better than 1v1 fight results on DA.
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I shot down Pacerr a few times and got the same kinda responses. I just don't really give a damned. I enjoys it. :D
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Originally posted by Vad
Complete BS! Only rank means something, all that whines about how great you are mean nothing.
Considering ACM and 1v1 fight results as a measure of fighter pilot skills is exactly the same as hiring a programmer who is better formatting his code regardless of quality of this code. ACM is just one, and not the most important, part of pilot skills. Rank is not the best way to compare two pilots but at least it is much better than 1v1 fight results on DA.
This is sarcasim, right?
If not, perhaps you should look over the list Slapshot put together, eh?
And if you're not being sarcastic... What on earth is a more important pilot skill (in this game, *not* real life) then ACM? SA? I think not. Hell, SA's the easy part - I've got great SA:
* I know I'm flying into trouble
* I know I'm getting ho'd at
* I know I'm getting gangbanged
* I know I'm getting cherry picked
If you think about it, that's all there really is to SA in the MA.
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Some people are just used to playing on the sony playstation with there mommy, and she always let them win. so what can ya say. It's really Sad, that it bothers some of these people enough they feel the need say anything, to anyone using pm or open channel. Its Funny also that its not always the score potatos, some of these whiners ranks really suck. The good thing is there is not alot of whiner types . yeh!
Most of us mind our own business, have fun, fly like we want, enjoy a good HO here and there, good turn fights, all that stuff. And never say a rude word to anyone. Its Vicious cycle! ( up-fly-die)-reup-fly-land-reup- Infinity.<---- expect one of those always.
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Don't Ho?
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ok so i was wrong about the whole Rank thing.... lol :aok .. i guess another thing could be just plan old stress... if youve been HOed 4 or 5 times in a row.. dont you just want to "kill" someone.. or rather complain about it. I found myself kinda complaining to someone last nite about being HOed. I did because i realized that everytime ive seen his handle was after an HO. so he got me a few times in the HO.. but guess what.. ive got him on the HO also.
also lastnite as i was flying around a CV that had alot of cons that would attempt to HO. Its funny to dodge 6 HOs in a row and turn your spit completely around and the same 6 are coming back for the HO again.
I guess what im trying to say is .. alot of things could factor into why pacerr said the things he said. I myself im rather surprise with that image. I really dont see pacerr as a person that would do such a thing. But in the moment of time ... with 6 HO's in a row.. ill say something also.
Maybe we should have pacerr explain it from his side of the story.
navajo
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Originally posted by Sikboy
It's too bad there's no way to squelch individual players... oh wait.
-Sik
Other players are squelchable. I’m sure SP4DE knows how to squelch. The point is....He never had reason to squelch paccer4 up to this point. Sure he can squelch him after the fact, but the comment has already been made. This usually results in anything from no more comments at all from either party, all the way to full blown potty mouth arguments.
The solution to this problem to this problem is very simple and has been requested at least dozens of times right here in the BBS.
A permasquelch list would solve such a problem.
Not sure why we don’t have one as of yet.
I’m sure HTC would hope that the parties of such exchanges would kiss and make up.
I personally think a permasquelch list should be an option that the players can utilize BTW....that list is to include the same side as well.
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Originally posted by Vudak
SA's the easy part - I've got great SA:
* I know I'm flying into trouble
* I know I'm getting ho'd at
* I know I'm getting gangbanged
* I know I'm getting cherry picked
If you think about it, that's all there really is to SA in the MA.
ROFLMAO Good one
All you guys have to be kidding right? This HO thing is all in your heads.
1st of all you can’t head on someone in less you are going head on with them right?
And maybe you missed the shot and they didn’t? witch makes you the same as them. And if you are not going to take a shot
Than way would you fly head on at a plane that you can collide with? And if you don’t collide with them than it was a very good slight deflection shot. Have hit many of planes with a quick rudder movement putting my nose guns on them.
If you are someone that never takes a HO shot than you shouldn’t get hit by them ether if you no ACM.
IMO when Defending a base all is fare even this so called HO. Hell if I could turn of there PC power from home I would do it just to save the base LOL. That is the object right? Save the base it’s a game. As far as all the channel type it will never stop there are too many brainless or immature people for this. Especially in the virtual world where they are so brave talking to someone safe at home. Let them try it at a LAN party or at the AH convention lol see what happened than. They will grow up real fast.
My 2 cents and thanks for this entertainment guys it’s great.
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Originally posted by Vad
Complete BS! Only rank means something, all that whines about how great you are mean nothing.
Considering ACM and 1v1 fight results as a measure of fighter pilot skills is exactly the same as hiring a programmer who is better formatting his code regardless of quality of this code. ACM is just one, and not the most important, part of pilot skills. Rank is not the best way to compare two pilots but at least it is much better than 1v1 fight results on DA.
Vad ... you truly are confused or just haven't learned yet.
All those guys that I listed (and there are more that I didn't list) can fight "1 v 1" and "1 v many" and come out on the winning end more than not. Now ... if they chose to strap on some bomb and go blow up STATIONARY buildings, or hop into a PT and spawn in front of a town and lob some rockets in, they would be ranked in the top 10 easily. These guys have the WHOLE package, where some only have 1/2 the package, yet think they are the cats bellybutton cause they have a low rank . A majority of those that are ranked low couldn't find their arse with both hands when forced to fight.
Here's a few more to add to the list ...
Urchin (rawr)
ManeTMP
Xtremej
Kappa
Fester
Stang
Morpheus (If he flew)
DmdDano
DmdCoach
If all of those who do have the "WHOLE" package decided to go for low rank, most who think they are all that, would find themselves not being listed at all on the rank page.
Tour 41 (about a year and a half ago) I ranked #10 for this tour. After aquiring this rank and taking a look at my WHOLE package, it became quite obvious to me that RANK MEANS watermelon ... I still had a long way to go and still do.
Again ... read my lips ... RANK MEANS watermelon !!!
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are we forgetting the single most important fact?
Ya probably did HO him spade!! :lol
no need to get angry and PM fro that tho.
peace
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Originally posted by navajoboy
ok so i was wrong about the whole Rank thing.... lol :aok .. i guess another thing could be just plan old stress... if youve been HOed 4 or 5 times in a row.. dont you just want to "kill" someone.. or rather complain about it. I found myself kinda complaining to someone last nite about being HOed. I did because i realized that everytime ive seen his handle was after an HO. so he got me a few times in the HO.. but guess what.. ive got him on the HO also.
also lastnite as i was flying around a CV that had alot of cons that would attempt to HO. Its funny to dodge 6 HOs in a row and turn your spit completely around and the same 6 are coming back for the HO again.
I guess what im trying to say is .. alot of things could factor into why pacerr said the things he said. I myself im rather surprise with that image. I really dont see pacerr as a person that would do such a thing. But in the moment of time ... with 6 HO's in a row.. ill say something also.
Maybe we should have pacerr explain it from his side of the story.
navajo
navajo ...
If you have been HOed 4 or 5 times in a row, then you really need to take a look at your approach to fighting and change it ... immediately. If this is the case, then you are the cause of your own angst ... not the guy who shot you.
Granted, some HOs are unavoidable when in close fighting happens in a furball, but if there is time (and there should be) 99.99% of HOs can be avoided.
This game is a stress reliever and adrenalin high for me. If the game is causing the stress that pushes one to send these types of private messages, then that person's approach to this game is all wrong IMHO.
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Me, at number 23 overall thought I'd check my fighter score and lo and behold, im at 64...and here I thought I sucked. Oh, I still do...but I have come along way.
Please, send MORE dweebs!!!
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Originally posted by SlapShot
A majority of those that are ranked low couldn't find their arse
with both hands when forced to fight.
SlapShot, I agree with you 1000%. What really worries me is,
what'll happen with TOD. If these "clueless wonders" get the
rank, then we have to follow them. Or did I misread how TOD is
going to be.
SCDR
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Originally posted by SCDR
SlapShot, I agree with you 1000%. What really worries me is,
what'll happen with TOD. If these "clueless wonders" get the
rank, then we have to follow them. Or did I misread how TOD is
going to be.
SCDR
From what I remember at this years con ...
Higher ranking pilots will be able to accept positions such as flight lead, but they will not be able to change the major thrust of the mission.
So, if you sign up for fighter cover, you will have to remain with the bombers ... you can't fly away and decide to do something else. The flight lead will get to assign things such as covering different altitudes for the bombers, but thats just about it.
If you are bomber lead, you may get to assign the sub-targets to your wing, but you can't change the mission target.
HT is quite aware of the "Napoleans" and they will not be able effect the already scripted missions ... thats what we were told.
Bottom line ... If you check the missions and see who the filght lead is and you don't have confidence in the flight lead ... then choose another/different mission.
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Originally posted by Lizard3
Me, at number 23 overall thought I'd check my fighter score and lo and behold, im at 64...and here I thought I sucked. Oh, I still do...but I have come along way.
Please, send MORE dweebs!!!
I didn't cover those that DO have the "package" and are already ranked low ... I didn't think that needed to be covered.
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naaa that picture sux.... my is better
(http://stat.el-cha.cz/whine.JPG)
orel
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Originally posted by mechanic
are we forgetting the single most important fact?
Ya probably did HO him spade!! :lol
no need to get angry and PM fro that tho.
peace
Exactly. Why should this warrant such a comment?
I think we all know that Head On Shots are eminent eventually.
No real need to PM for this.
In fact most HO’s, prolly upwards of 93% or better are the end result of a turn fight that leaves both pilots getting the same turn rate ending in a nose to nose confrontation after every reversal. Sure you can try to avoid at this point. But nearly ever HO avoidance tactic at this point is greatly hampered by the lack of speed to get the desired effect out of any control surface input you may attempt to use.
Answer?
We must learn to access the situation earlier on and make the decision to disengage while we still can. Harder that it would seem i know. I on the other hand tend to chose incorrectly 95% of the time. LOL
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Originally posted by SlapShot
navajo ...
If you have been HOed 4 or 5 times in a row, then you really need to take a look at your approach to fighting and change it ... immediately. If this is the case, then you are the cause of your own angst ... not the guy who shot you.
Granted, some HOs are unavoidable when in close fighting happens in a furball, but if there is time (and there should be) 99.99% of HOs can be avoided.
This game is a stress reliever and adrenalin high for me. If the game is causing the stress that pushes one to send these types of private messages, then that person's approach to this game is all wrong IMHO.
Slapshot,
I'm not sure he meant "was hit by ho's 6 times in a row", just that they went after him for the shot.
You've never flown into bad odds, expecting to die of course, and you have to pass through 5-6 on your way to the back? You really can't do much save jink a bit or maybe roll through the first few, if you try to aggressively avoid their attempts, you're going to be cherry picked by the tail end. So your only real option is to try to defensively avoid the early hos before moving in for a lead turn of some sort at the last one. And the sad fact is, nearly all of them will, inevitably, attempt to HO you.
Personally, I think that's just really poor form on the part of the 6. Sure, it is 100% my fault for going into bad odds... But is it really necessary for them to take those desperation shots? Wouldn't THEY be better off going for a lead turn?
I love running into guys who don't Ho. When you run into someone who doesn't take a HO shot on the first merge, you know two things:
* This guy has a clue
* This fight will be fun
Now I have to say, I don't get hit by many HOs anymore simply because I've had so much practice at avoiding them. That said, it's remarkable how many people I run into that start spraying from 1000+ or greater on the first merge, no matter what the odds.
Bottom line is, it really doesn't "Take two to HO" as so many people are fond of saying. Perhaps a better phrase would be "it takes two to joust".
I dunno. Touchy subject as always. I just chalk it up as another player-caused reason that the MA can get real mundane at times. But hell, compared to blowing up FHs and sinking CVs (effectively, making me climb to fights again - the horror), or running around forever on 1v1s, getting HO'd at is a looooong way down the list of my pet peeves.
Anyway, just my 2cents. Off to the Lake (frozen, pointless?), happy hunting everyone, I'll see you all next year!
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First. I am talking about fighter rank, not overall rank. I don't want to say that overall rank means nothing, but I am interesting in fighter combat only.
Second. I have never said that guys you metioned are bad pilots. They are good no matter what method of comparison we choose - rank or ACM skills. According to you they are great in ACM, but it is proven that they can have #1 rank if they want. I remember HTC promotion, and results were published on the web. All that guys got their one (or half , I don't remember) month free, didn't they?
ok, now.
When you are talking about ACM skills it is just part of picture. Footballer must be fast enough but it doesn't make world champion in sprint the greatest footballer.
For example, you want to compare two pilots. Instead of going to DA and kill each other they can go to MA and take off from the same field near friendly capped field, for instance. They have to kill as many enemies as possible during 2 hours or till they die whatever comes first. Is it legitimate way to compare pilot skills? Why not, it is like a mini TOD. But this method is very close to existing rank system. So, statement that rank system means nothing is BS, what has to be proven.
:)
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You've never flown into bad odds, expecting to die of course, and you have to pass through 5-6 on your way to the back?
Never !!! ... it's way to scarey for me and I abhore dieing ... ;)
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This just shows that pacerr is a whiney little crybaby who is also a sore loser. Unfortunantly there are several of these guys currently flying. It is sad that these guys are allowed to PM and insult people. There should be a "no call" list lol, people who are proven to do this lose typing abilities for a week!!! But don't expect HTC to do anything about it.
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For example, you want to compare two pilots. Instead of going to DA and kill each other they can go to MA and take off from the same field near friendly capped field, for instance. They have to kill as many enemies as possible during 2 hours or till they die whatever comes first. Is it legitimate way to compare pilot skills?
Sounds good to me ... but, in essence, that is not how the ranking system works ... and that is why RANK MEANS watermelon (to me) !!!
Prime case ... in Fighter Mode, hit percentage suffers when one fires at anything other than a plane. So, if I choose to help deack a field while in fighter mode, my hit percentage will suffer and really doesn't truly reflect my marksmanship while fighting A to A, which in turn degredates the fighter rank. This provides misleading numbers.
I know ... I know ... "don't do that" ... I just can't help myself.
For the most part, we all know who can walk the walk without the ranking system ... it's those who hold it high in the air and claim greatness or some special status from it, is what bothers me.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
For the most part, we all know who can walk the walk without the ranking system ...
It is not true also.
I had one kill on Shane. It was half a year ago, I was green and stupid, and had no idea who Shane is.
On my P51D I engaged low and slow La-7. I had everything - alt, E, position. After few seconds I had nothing - no alt, no speed, but what I had is Shane on my six. Next several minutes I did everything what I could to break away but without any success. Finally I gave up, drop gears and flaps, and tried to keep my speed as low as possible. Shane was 0 - 200 yards behind, but he didn't shot! I don't know what happened - he run out of gas, lost control or just bored, - but I have got maneuver kill.
Ok, I took a look into roster. Without rank system I would still consider Shane dweeb, who can't even control a plane no talking about ACM, and would be very proud about my fighter skills. :)
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Originally posted by Vudak
Slapshot,
I'm not sure he meant "was hit by ho's 6 times in a row", just that they went after him for the shot.
You've never flown into bad odds, expecting to die of course, and you have to pass through 5-6 on your way to the back? You really can't do much save jink a bit or maybe roll through the first few, if you try to aggressively avoid their attempts, you're going to be cherry picked by the tail end. So your only real option is to try to defensively avoid the early hos before moving in for a lead turn of some sort at the last one. And the sad fact is, nearly all of them will, inevitably, attempt to HO you.
Personally, I think that's just really poor form on the part of the 6. Sure, it is 100% my fault for going into bad odds... But is it really necessary for them to take those desperation shots? Wouldn't THEY be better off going for a lead turn?
I love running into guys who don't Ho. When you run into someone who doesn't take a HO shot on the first merge, you know two things:
* This guy has a clue
* This fight will be fun
Now I have to say, I don't get hit by many HOs anymore simply because I've had so much practice at avoiding them. That said, it's remarkable how many people I run into that start spraying from 1000+ or greater on the first merge, no matter what the odds.
Bottom line is, it really doesn't "Take two to HO" as so many people are fond of saying. Perhaps a better phrase would be "it takes two to joust".
I dunno. Touchy subject as always. I just chalk it up as another player-caused reason that the MA can get real mundane at times. But hell, compared to blowing up FHs and sinking CVs (effectively, making me climb to fights again - the horror), or running around forever on 1v1s, getting HO'd at is a looooong way down the list of my pet peeves.
Anyway, just my 2cents. Off to the Lake (frozen, pointless?), happy hunting everyone, I'll see you all next year!
YES!! thanks Vudak!! that is exactly right.
and yes slapshot. this is a stress relief ... but how do you explain the complaints all over this message board?
You can't really because everyone is different... Some people are just jackprettythanges, and some people are just to serious about the game.
Its good to know that you take it as stress relief.. I myself do enjoy the game... HO's and all.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
... and that is why RANK MEANS watermelon (to me) !!!
Means watermelon to me because I learned how to manipulate it and it is something most anyone, beyond the 2 week free trial, can do. It isn't difficult and doesn't require a lot of skill (except skill in scoring :D). It also isn't fun and can be quite tedious at times. 'Bout the only thing I haven't learned to manipulate in the scoring system is the hit percentage (my gunnery simply sucks :)).
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Originally posted by Vad
First. I am talking about fighter rank, not overall rank. I don't want to say that overall rank means nothing, but I am interesting in fighter combat only.
Second. I have never said that guys you metioned are bad pilots. They are good no matter what method of comparison we choose - rank or ACM skills. According to you they are great in ACM, but it is proven that they can have #1 rank if they want. I remember HTC promotion, and results were published on the web. All that guys got their one (or half , I don't remember) month free, didn't they?
ok, now.
When you are talking about ACM skills it is just part of picture. Footballer must be fast enough but it doesn't make world champion in sprint the greatest footballer.
For example, you want to compare two pilots. Instead of going to DA and kill each other they can go to MA and take off from the same field near friendly capped field, for instance. They have to kill as many enemies as possible during 2 hours or till they die whatever comes first. Is it legitimate way to compare pilot skills? Why not, it is like a mini TOD. But this method is very close to existing rank system. So, statement that rank system means nothing is BS, what has to be proven.
:)
Vad,
Fighter Rank means little , when folks achieve it purely through vulching enemy fields.
There a couple of notable high ranking pilots, that you will never see at any other time than a "green light" vulch.
Amazing what massive periods of vulching will do for your K/S K/T Gunnery % and K/D.
So , no , 1-1 down and dirty is how you compare pilot skill, not by the stats
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But, if you have rank, you can be a meanie and take ships away from those who dont have good ranking. Complete control of all ships! You can be the man! err woman . the captain of all seamen.. lmao! see what all that ranking can mean! eh? then you can write your name in the sea and noone can erase it, unless of course they out rank you! Well thats all great rank does for ya, did i cover everything?
oh wait, you look really cool when your friends are over playing barbies and you show them your ranking on AH, the cool status is only for those ranked under 200. Ranked 201 and above is so uncool looking, it just dont have that cool ring to it. lmmfao!
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Originally posted by Vad
It is not true also.
I had one kill on Shane. It was half a year ago, I was green and stupid, and had no idea who Shane is.
On my P51D I engaged low and slow La-7. I had everything - alt, E, position. After few seconds I had nothing - no alt, no speed, but what I had is Shane on my six. Next several minutes I did everything what I could to break away but without any success. Finally I gave up, drop gears and flaps, and tried to keep my speed as low as possible. Shane was 0 - 200 yards behind, but he didn't shot! I don't know what happened - he run out of gas, lost control or just bored, - but I have got maneuver kill.
Ok, I took a look into roster. Without rank system I would still consider Shane dweeb, who can't even control a plane no talking about ACM, and would be very proud about my fighter skills. :)
Don't know what to say ... 'cept WTF are you talking about ?
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Don't know what to say ... 'cept WTF are you talking about ?
Thanks Slap, just covered my monitor in coffee. :mad: :( :) :D :lol
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Don't know what to say ... 'cept WTF are you talking about ?
Yea, I know, my English is very bad. Sorry...
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Originally posted by Vad
Next several minutes I did everything what I could to break away but without any success. Finally I gave up, drop gears and flaps, and tried to keep my speed as low as possible. Shane was 0 - 200 yards behind, but he didn't shot! I don't know what happened - he run out of gas, lost control or just bored, - but I have got maneuver kill.
most likely no ammo followed shortly after by no gas. :D
ammo? i doan need no steenkin' ammo!! but i sure do need fuel.
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i learned awhile ago, dont sweat the losers. they are just that. some people just don't understand the point of a game is to have fun. winning is fun, and in the virtual world even losing should be fun; though of course not as fun as winning. just be glad your not associated with a guy like this. i think i'll look up to see if he's in a squad, just curious what squad tolerates this behavior.
65th FS~Fightin *****(lol cant type there name here it is
c, ooh, cks. if you are that upset, petition the squad leader Dace. maybe he would like to know. from my view, everone should be accountable for their bahavior, and the actions of one reflects upon the squad.
trippy
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
'Bout the only thing I haven't learned to manipulate in the scoring system is the hit percentage (my gunnery simply sucks :)).
easy,
in attack mode battle some buildings with .50 cals
in fighter mode up a hurricane 1 with ya .303s, set converg to about 400, sneak up on a bomber with you having about around 3k alt on them, kill your engine, line up whilst diving, at 450 yds open fire and turn engine back on, at 100 yds cease firing and go evasive so ya don't ram it. dive away and rtb.
repeat and rinse as necessary.
enjoy ;-)
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Originally posted by DieAz
easy,
in attack mode battle some buildings with .50 cals
in fighter mode up a hurricane 1 with ya .303s, set converg to about 400, sneak up on a bomber with you having about around 3k alt on them, kill your engine, line up whilst diving, at 450 yds open fire and turn engine back on, at 100 yds cease firing and go evasive so ya don't ram it. dive away and rtb.
repeat and rinse as necessary.
enjoy ;-)
Dieaz...
You damned noob...was talkin bout in fighter rank. :D
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To paraphrase Coach Lombardi....
Fun isn't everything....it's the ONLY thing. :)
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I agree Rank doesn't mean squat. Even fighter Rank to me doesn't mean much either. I am by far not a great pilot. I am ranked this tour 50 over all. Why? not because I am going around hitting strats and crap. It's because I do a little bit of everything the game has to offer. I am ranked 215 in fighter. If i did 200-400 fighter sorties a month I would probably get alot better fighter rank. It's not just about how good you are. In getting a good rank in any catagory there are many variables to it. (Hit percentage, k/d ratio, points...ect)
Once you have played this game awhile, people here just know by reputation who is a good stick. I don't understand how people could ever think rank has anything to do with how good a player is in this game. Whether it be Overall Rank or a specific catagory. Bottom line is, most know who the good sticks are, rank or not.
As for the HO thing...it happens...no since in complaining about it. I have sat here time and again and read a guys post about being HO'd and not 30 min before I was HO'd by that same person in the game. It cracks me up. Basically as someone else stated. They just get upset when they Lose the HO.
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Originally posted by Vad
Yea, I know, my English is very bad. Sorry...
Sorry Vad ... my apologies ... it might help to put my your country in the "location" line in your profile ... it does help (at least me) when trying to understand the context of a post.
Your "english", I have to say, is better than some who post on this board, and they were born and brought up in the USA.
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Batfink fighter rank this tour: 71
Leviathn fighter rank this tour: 1000+
we fly the same plane mostly.
my rank is over 10 times 'better'.
He is over 100 times better at flying than me.
work out for yourself if rank shows anything about pilot skills.
S!
Batfink
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He is over 100 times better at flying than me
I think you need another 0 ... ;)
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Originally posted by Shane
most likely no ammo followed shortly after by no gas. :D
ammo? i doan need no steenkin' ammo!! but i sure do need fuel.
yeah man .,. i were hunting high spit few days ago in my tiffie w/o ammo.....
he were running home on deck and me and my fattie we laughing&landing :D
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Dieaz...
You damned noob...was talkin bout in fighter rank. :D
re-read my post, I addressed fighter rank mode.
Oh and put yer reading glasses on, so you can see better. :p
in fighter mode up a hurricane 1 with ya .303s, set converg to about 400, sneak up on a bomber with you having about around 3k alt on them, kill your engine, line up whilst diving, at 450 yds open fire and turn engine back on, at 100 yds cease firing and go evasive so ya don't ram it. dive away and rtb.
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Dieaz...
What you fail to understand is that the straight & level targets (like buffs) are the ones I CAN'T hit!!!! :)
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Dieaz...
What you fail to understand is that the straight & level targets (like buffs) are the ones I CAN'T hit!!!! :)
ohhh ok, I see now. my guess is, you are using a cannon armed ride. cannons are bad about throwing your plane around when you fire.
.303s doesn't toss your plane around much when you fire them.
a heavy plane with .303s fast velocities and fairly flat trajectories.
work well for hitting a target.
this is to get hit % up, not for killing the buff. sometimes you'll get lucky and kill a buff with .303s
if you gotta have a plane with more than .303s, try a P-40e.
P-40e works fairly well too. it has .50s and .30s cals.
if you want to,catch me in MA, we can go to TA. I'll fly a buff and let ya target practice on me.
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Originally posted by DieAz
a heavy plane with .303s fast velocities and fairly flat trajectories.
work well for hitting a target.
Cannons?? I don't use no steenkin' cannons. Heavy plane? Does a P47 qualify? I have NEVER been able to hit targets flying straight. Now deflection shots....those are a piece of cake.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Dieaz...
What you fail to understand is that the straight & level targets (like buffs) are the ones I CAN'T hit!!!! :)
I told you the problem wasn't bufftuff :)
culero (couldn't resist ;))
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Sorry Vad ... my apologies ... it might help to put my your country in the "location" line in your profile ... it does help (at least me) when trying to understand the context of a post.
Your "english", I have to say, is better than some who post on this board, and they were born and brought up in the USA.
Ok, let finish with that.
My English is really bad. If we were speaking in my native language you would definitly feel shadows of irony, sarcasm, mockery, etc.
Yea, I know, that score and rank means nothing. But you, guys, are so fanatically convinced that you or "another guy" (Leviathan, Urchin, Shane, etc.) are so great and skilled that is just funny to read! You are so seriosly feel aggrieved when somebody insults you here or on ch200 or so strong whine about HO and horde dweebs and lack of ACM skills among majority of players that I just can't pass by without trying to tease you.
Seriously.
1. IT IS A GAME! Nothing more. Any "good pilot" you are talking about is not a good pilot. He is just a good player. I have friend who tried to play AH for couple of days and gave up. He told me that it is boring, he was killed too many times and couldn't kill anybody. But I am absolutelly confident that he would kill any of that "high skilled pilots" like Levi or Shane. In IL-2. He has been playing IL-2 online since first release 3-4 hours every day. Is this hint clear? Do you understand what I am talking about?
2. This world is not white and black only. Statements like "rank is nothing, skills are everything" are simply wrong because everything is relative. If you get your rank without thinking about your rank your rank reflects your skills very precisely. If you have sharpened your skills for 1v1 combat it tells nothing about your ability to help your country men to win the war. I don't want to say that your skills won't help. I want to say that it is not enough.
Ok. I have done. Happy New Year everybody. I wish you fight, kill and get killed innumerable number of times. It is possible now in our virtual world. I wish you never be in combat where word "innumerable" just has no sence.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
He is over 100 times better at flying than me
I think you need another 0 ... ;)
maybe a couple more.. :)
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1. IT IS A GAME! Nothing more. Any "good pilot" you are talking about is not a good pilot. He is just a good player. I have friend who tried to play AH for couple of days and gave up. He told me that it is boring, he was killed too many times and couldn't kill anybody. But I am absolutelly confident that he would kill any of that "high skilled pilots" like Levi or Shane. In IL-2. He has been playing IL-2 online since first release 3-4 hours every day. Is this hint clear? Do you understand what I am talking about?
Come on Vad ...
You buddy was bored ?!?! ... sounds more like frustration to me. His experience in IL2 does not impress me in the least. If he was as good as you allude, then boredom or frustration would not have been a problem ... it should have been more of a challenge that would drive him to continue and be a competitor in AH. Sounds like it didn't come easy to him and he couldn't handle the self-inflicted humiliation so he went home to where he is comfortable. Nothing wrong with that.
Also, Levi and Shane are NOT invincible ... yes they do get shot down ... its just not an easy thing to do.
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Cannons?? I don't use no steenkin' cannons. Heavy plane? Does a P47 qualify? I have NEVER been able to hit targets flying straight. Now deflection shots....those are a piece of cake.
hmm guess now I have to remind ya of something you told me a long time ago in AW.
planes fly and manuver in 3d, not 2d. you CAN set it up to be a deflection shot.
you can do it, I know ya can.
(starting to think what boozer2 said in another thread about ya is right.) http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=138949
:p J/K
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Originally posted by DieAz
hmm guess now I have to remind ya of something you told me a long time ago in AW.
planes fly and manuver in 3d, not 2d. you CAN set it up to be a deflection shot.
you can do it, I know ya can.
(starting to think what boozer2 said in another thread about ya is right.) http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=138949
:p J/K
Welp...what can I say. Boozer calls 'em like he sees 'em. :)