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Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: sullie363 on December 30, 2004, 02:18:53 AM
Noticed today that we have two 52FG/5FS both by Oboe for the P51B.  I suspect one was supposed to replace the other as an update but instead we have two identical planes by the same person.  Just letting you know.
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: Skuzzy on December 30, 2004, 07:15:57 AM
Thank you sullie.  I'll get it taken care of.
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: oboe on December 30, 2004, 08:01:28 AM
Skuzzy, there are more duplicates than that - I know Fester's 343rdFG/11FS P-40E has a twin, and I think nopoop has a duplicate P-47D (not sure which one offhand).

Thanks!
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: Skuzzy on December 30, 2004, 09:30:45 AM
If you see duplicates, just post the information from the hangar for them, and I will take care of it.

This is a problem we need to deal with and I have some ideas, but have to muddle through them.  When a submission comes in  for an update, but the reference number is not included, then we end up with duplicates in the arenas.
While the solution would appear to be simply review and compare every submission with what has already been released, it is prohibitively time consuming to do so.

In the meantime, any help in spotting duplicates will be appreciated.
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: oboe on December 30, 2004, 01:41:06 PM
I don't mind going through the skins for all the vehicles and identifying the duplicates.    Hopefully the second skin listed is the more recent one?
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: Fruda on December 30, 2004, 02:00:34 PM
There's a duplicate Hellcat skin... One with the shark mouth. One looks rushed, while the other looks like it took a while to make.

I'm sure you'll see what I'm talking about.
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: DoKGonZo on December 30, 2004, 02:20:05 PM
Here's the duplicates I see on my system:

B17 - 2 457th BG by 2 artists
F6F - 2 VF-27 by 2 artists
P40 - 2 343/11 by Fester
P47D11 - 2 56/63 and 2 405/510 by different artists (different skins, but same sqdns)
P47D25 - 2 56/61
P51B - 2 52/5

I think those are the right numbers, my handwriting is so gawdawful it's hard to tell 60 seconds after I write stuff down.
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: oboe on December 30, 2004, 02:39:20 PM
I just went through the list as well, and the only true duplicates I saw were:

P-40E - 343FG/11FS by Fester
P-51B - 52FG/5FS by Oboe

If it's not by the same artist I don't think its an 'unintentional duplicate' error --  e.g. I'm sure only one of my 52FG/5FS should be in the game - I think I sent in an updated version of the skin before I got back my first confirmation email assigning it a  reference number.   Prolly the same thing happened to Fester.

OTOH, both Alf and I did VF-27 sharkmouth skins for the F6F, but they are quite different.

Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: DoKGonZo on December 30, 2004, 03:22:14 PM
Yeah a few of the dupes were of the same unit, by different people, and the skins were different. But when looking at the pop-up list it appears confusing.

For instance, on some of the P47 skins, some were obviously earlier in the war before camo started being used. So if the name of the skin had "1943" added or something like that, it'd make the list easier to comprehend.
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: mauser on December 30, 2004, 06:16:02 PM
It seems that Edbert's "Yellow10" Dora skin was written over with Waffle's "Bad Worishofen" skin.  They both appear the same now.  Anyone else see this?

mauser
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: thebest1 on December 30, 2004, 09:31:19 PM
i really wanna do a P51D skin! and theres 2 of the same type. If one is taken out i call the spot! lol
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: oboe on December 31, 2004, 07:14:50 AM
If you mean Edberts JG26 skin, I see they look very similiar but I don't think they are duplicates in the sense of an accidental file overwrite.    Waffle's skin has aluminim colored leading edges on the wing; Edbert's are more white-colored.  Also the font of the wing text is bolder on Edbert's skin.   They may have the same subject though.

nopoop's 56FG/62FS P-47D-40 is definitely an error for me though - it just shows up as the old 256 default D40 skin.
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: DoKGonZo on December 31, 2004, 01:31:06 PM
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Originally posted by thebest1
i really wanna do a P51D skin! and theres 2 of the same type. If one is taken out i call the spot! lol


I actually think there is a dupe on the 51D's now that I think about it. I think the "Belligerant Betty" skin has one just like it that's named in the FG/FS manner.

Would be cool to have one or two more 51D skins with camo.
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: o0Stream140o on December 31, 2004, 01:39:00 PM
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
I actually think there is a dupe on the 51D's now that I think about it. I think the "Belligerant Betty" skin has one just like it that's named in the FG/FS manner.

Would be cool to have one or two more 51D skins with camo.


"Belligerant Betty"#17 and "Double Nothin"#00 are two separte P-51's.
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: DoKGonZo on December 31, 2004, 01:41:41 PM
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Originally posted by o0Stream140o
"Belligerant Betty"#17 and "Double Nothin"#00 are two separte P-51's.


OK ... they sure look similar. I use default texture size so maybe I don't see the subtle differences.
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: thebest1 on December 31, 2004, 03:01:54 PM
I really wanna do that blue P51D that i see alot when i search for pictures of them.
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: United on December 31, 2004, 03:12:08 PM
Oboe, nopoop did a remake of the default skin, but he did it more accurately and at 1024x1024.  I'm not sure of what its called, but they are the same skin.
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: oboe on January 01, 2005, 08:56:27 AM
Yep, I see nopoop's remake there too, tho I can't recall the FG/FS details of it.    But take a look at nopoop's 56FG/62FS P-47D40 skin for me - for me its the exact same skin (low quality 256 bmp) as the default skin.   Its identical.     Is it the same as the default for you?
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: oboe on January 01, 2005, 08:57:32 AM
Yep, I see nopoop's remake there too, tho I can't recall the FG/FS details of it.    But take a look at nopoop's 56FG/62FS P-47D40 skin for me - for me its the exact same skin (low quality 256 bmp) as the default skin.   Its identical.     Is it the same as the default for you?
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: TimRas on January 01, 2005, 02:38:41 PM
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Originally posted by oboe
If you mean Edberts JG26 skin, I see they look very similiar but I don't think they are duplicates in the sense of an accidental file overwrite.


No, mauser is right. Edberts skin shouldn't look like that at all. Below is the skin it should look like:
(http://www.ah-skins.com/skins/screenshot87.jpg)
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: mauser on January 02, 2005, 12:54:08 AM
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Originally posted by TimRas
No, mauser is right. Edberts skin shouldn't look like that at all. Below is the skin it should look like:
 


How bizzare... I just checked online again and now "Yellow 10" is once again correct.  I'm not sure what happened.

mauser
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: TimRas on January 02, 2005, 07:53:11 AM
My "Yellow 10" looks still like this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/timppa/EdbertNew.jpg)
Title: HTC, duplicate skin
Post by: Skuzzy on January 07, 2005, 10:58:06 AM
The 190 confusion stems from a detail we overlooked in the skin implemention.  Specifically, what happens when we remove a skins and fill that slot with a  previously released skin?

Currently, the old skin in that slot is not removed from the 'cache' folder of Aces High II.  So, if you have that cached version, you will not get the updated skin.  To work around this issue, simply remove the skin from the 'cache' folder and AH will rebuild it on the next access to it.