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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on December 30, 2004, 09:18:07 AM
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yep... who says the Un doesn't want to run the US? Rebbeca Peters,, who heads the anti gun UN NGO that is pressing for global action on civil disarmement..
Unfortunately... she decided to debate with Wayne LaPierre of the NRA at Kings college london.
He got her to admit that she felt that the U.S. should obey a UN gun ban for private citizens.
basicly... that the U.S. should be under UN rule.
I have read excerpts but I think I will buy the video.
lazs
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Doesn't surprise me, the UN has been wanting control over the world for some time. What better way than to start with the richest, and most powerful, nation?
-SW
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Fxck the UN and it's egomanical despots.
dago
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It’s almost embarrassing that the US belongs to the UN. They don’t deserve such an endorsement. We should pull out and perhaps start something similar in concept, but that isn’t so corrupt and doesn’t suck.
eskimo
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lol GS :D
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I think we should always endorse and obey what the wise and well run UN dictates. I think we should become just like our wise European cousins. I think Kofi Anon is great.
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Yet despite the blantant corruption, many leaders rush to hug and cuddle the Secretary General and tell him what a great job he's doing. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by storch
I think we should always endorse and obey what the wise and well run UN dictates. I think we should become just like our wise European cousins. I think Kofi Anon is great.
America backed his appointment unlike France which threatened to veto until the last minute.
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UN vs. US
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/708_1104428871_kerry.jpg)
;)
ooops wrong pic! *g*
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If you Germans want Kerry you can have him. He'd love to be a president of "something".
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The UN (http://www.forbes.com/nosection/forbes/2004/0202/029.html)
It is also a place where well-connected playboy diplomats from the Third World can indulge in an expense-account lifestyle in one of the richest cities on earth, ignoring the pitiful poverty of their home countries and often using their diplomatic immunity to break the law. This is an insult to the dignity of the human race.
As the UN is now constituted, a far better location for it would be in a city near the gravitational center of the Afro-Eurasian landmass. There it would be close to the realities of the problems it ought to be tackling--poverty; bad, cruel and corrupt governments; international lawlessness; civil wars. The place I'd suggest is Dar es Salaam (though I can think of a half-dozen other equally suitable venues). Having UN headquarters there would hugely reduce the cost of running it and its associated activities from New York. It would also deter the playboy element that is one of the curses of the organization and help persuade both staff and delegations to take their jobs seriously.
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
UN vs. US
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/708_1104428871_kerry.jpg)
;)
ooops wrong pic! *g*
Goes to show two things
#1. We are the most important society on the planet our influence is truly global.
#2. We Americans are correct (as usual) the rest of the world is wrong.
:D
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lol, god bless Aberta. :D
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Shaddup Thrawn. :D
edit - Aint that Saskatchewan?
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Originally posted by GScholz
Hi, my name is Wayne, I'm a gun-person ... bang bang ...
OK class.... GScholz is going to attempt to say something intelligent now.... everybody be quite and listen......
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Originally posted by Nash
Shaddup Thrawn. :D
edit - Aint that Saskatchewan?
Saskatatchewan is one over to the right (east), damn easterners..:D
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Originally posted by Ripper29
Saskatatchewan is one over to the right (east), damn easterners..:D
I'm no easterner. I'm in Alberta.
The reason I couldn't recognize it is because whenever I've flown in and out of it, there were always clouds below the plane so I've never actually seen the border lines.
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Originally posted by Nash
I'm no easterner. I'm in Alberta.
The reason I couldn't recognize it is because whenever I've flown in and out of it, there were always clouds below the plane so I've never actually seen the border lines.
Well okay..I suppose the paint has faded some since the last time they marked them.....:rolleyes:
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Isn't Alberta the place where Texans go, to learn how to be cowboys.
Freak'n rouge necks...
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mossgood... sorry, I missed it. did sholtzie really say something that made sense? whatever it was it was funny even to nielsen.
rebbeca peters is just another know nothing effete liberal who wants to be important off the backs of U.S. citizens because she can't make it otherwise... a perfect example of whey we shouldn't have anthing to do with the corrupt and idiotic UN.
lazs
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Originally posted by Torque
Isn't Alberta the place where Texans go, to learn how to be cowboys.
Freak'n rouge necks...
No......Daytona Beach is the place Canadians come to .....mostly Quaybacks...Freak'n Pinko Pansies
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not that there is anything wrong with being a pinko pansie... or even a canadian for that matter.
lazs
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Originally posted by Nash
there were always clouds below the plane so I've never actually seen the border lines.
:rofl
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Our world famous cowboy academies process hundreds if not thousands of wannabe Texan cowboys every year.
We teach them to go from this:
(http://cmp.bravepages.com/corral/corralimages/dlaeevans.jpg)
... to this:
(http://www.schriddestudios.com/calg-cow.jpg)
What could Daytona Beach possibly teach anyone? How to be gay?
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Originally posted by Nash
Our world famous cowboy academies process hundreds if not thousands of wannabe Texan cowboys every year.
We teach them to go from this:
(http://cmp.bravepages.com/corral/corralimages/dlaeevans.jpg)
... to this:
(http://www.schriddestudios.com/calg-cow.jpg)
What could Daytona Beach possibly teach anyone? How to be gay?
Actually we teach them that they can't bring their funny money down here and pass it off as the real thing. We also have the entire Canadian Navy come here for training......Last time they brought both Bayliners.
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Rebbeca Peters spent 4 years in New York city working for an anti-gun organization. From that experience she stated incredulity at U.S. citizens not seeing we should ignore our constitution in the face of the human tragedies in our country due to the proliferation of guns.
After all she had a large part in framing the gun ban for Australia and input on Great Britans. But then it's easy singing to a choir that has already decided to not listen to its subjects\citizens. In the end both countries citizens now personally pay the price for her vision of utopia. But she got her way! A ban on private ownership of guns. Now if she could only wave her magic wand and give Australia and Great Britan's citizens back their lives before they were murdered, raped, and robbed due to being disarmed and the subsiquent criminalization of self defence in general.
Lets hear it for Rebbeca Peters and the Utopia she can bring us.
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Originally posted by Nash
Our world famous cowboy academies process hundreds if not thousands of wannabe Texan cowboys every year.
We teach them to go from this:
(http://cmp.bravepages.com/corral/corralimages/dlaeevans.jpg)
... to this:
(http://www.schriddestudios.com/calg-cow.jpg)
What could Daytona Beach possibly teach anyone? How to be gay?
Are you kidding me? That's Gene Autry!
100% cowboy!
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Lets not forget... you're still talking about Quebecers. They don't even count.
Daytona sucks and Alberta is teh winnar!1
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Originally posted by weaselsan
Actually we teach them that they can't bring their funny money down here and pass it off as the real thing. We also have the entire Canadian Navy come here for training......Last time they brought both Bayliners.
Canada is Florida’s number one overall economic partner:
Number one source of in-bound tourism;
Number one source of foreign direct investment
Florida’s overall economic relationship with Canada results in approximately 90,000 direct/indirect jobs in the sunshine state (or 70,000 to 75,000 jobs if industry overlapping employment is not factored); with a two-way trade totaling $7.2 billion.
If indirect exports via other states were included in trade rankings, Canada would likely top Brazil as the top destination of Florida exports.
Florida’s tourism revenue and tourist “bed taxes”, enhanced by Canadian tourist contributions to the tune of $1.4 billion in 2003, allows Florida to remain one of the few states without a personal income tax; thus lowering local tax burden, now ranking a resident-friendly 40th in the nation.
Canada is Florida’s number one source for tourism, with nearly 1.9 million Canadians expected to visit the state in 2004 and increasing to more than 2.1 million by 2006.
Canadian tourists top the list as Florida's most important tourism market, accounting
for approximately 30% of all international person visits in 2003; resulting in $274 million in total tax revenue impact benefiting the state.
That's a lot of "funny money"
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Originally posted by weaselsan
No......Daytona Beach is the place Canadians come to .....mostly Quaybacks...Freak'n Pinko Pansies
You mean these Canadians...
(http://www.hydroonenetworks.com/en/media/florida_hurricane/Florida_Group_thumbnail.jpg)
http://www.hydroonenetworks.com/en/media/florida_hurricane/default.asp
"Helping one another out in times of a major disaster is a longstanding tradition in the electricity industry. Hydro One's lines staff is among the most highly trained and efficient in the world and we have been proud to lend a hand to Florida in the wake of Hurricane Frances.
This collection of letters and stories is a snapshot of not only our crews' efforts and Hurricane Frances' destruction, but also the gratitude of Florida residents.
After our crew of 270 returned home, Hurricane Jeanne hit the Gulf Coast on September 25, destroying much of our hard work. As a testament to our superior skills and professionalism, Florida Power and Light made a special request for Hydro One
staff to once again come to their aid. Hydro One dispatched a fresh crew of 220 on September 27. While the efforts of our crews in Florida have been extraordinary, I'm proud of the enthusiasm and dedication that all of our people serving the province of Ontario demonstrate each day."
They even supported a local football and bought them all new jerseys.
Silly Canucks.....:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Nash
Our world famous cowboy academies process hundreds if not thousands of wannabe Texan cowboys every year.
We teach them to go from this:
(http://cmp.bravepages.com/corral/corralimages/dlaeevans.jpg)
... to this:
(http://www.schriddestudios.com/calg-cow.jpg)
What could Daytona Beach possibly teach anyone? How to be gay?
Sorry Nash!
Having grown up on a cattle ranch I can tell you that the modern rodeo cowboy has very little in common with the real working cowboy.
If you get bored find the acreage of all the cattle ranches in Texas Colorado Wyoming New Mexico And Montana.
I think you will find that there is a reason why America is the largest supplier of beef products to the world.
And ranches take cowboys REAL cowboys.
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Originally posted by Torque
You mean these Canadians...
(http://www.hydroonenetworks.com/en/media/florida_hurricane/Florida_Group_thumbnail.jpg)
http://www.hydroonenetworks.com/en/media/florida_hurricane/default.asp
"Helping one another out in times of a major disaster is a longstanding tradition in the electricity industry. Hydro One's lines staff is among the most highly trained and efficient in the world and we have been proud to lend a hand to Florida in the wake of Hurricane Frances.
This collection of letters and stories is a snapshot of not only our crews' efforts and Hurricane Frances' destruction, but also the gratitude of Florida residents.
After our crew of 270 returned home, Hurricane Jeanne hit the Gulf Coast on September 25, destroying much of our hard work. As a testament to our superior skills and professionalism, Florida Power and Light made a special request for Hydro One
staff to once again come to their aid. Hydro One dispatched a fresh crew of 220 on September 27. While the efforts of our crews in Florida have been extraordinary, I'm proud of the enthusiasm and dedication that all of our people serving the province of Ontario demonstrate each day."
They even supported a local football and bought them all new jerseys.
Silly Canucks.....:rolleyes:
The help that we recieved from ontario as well as from the other states was greatly appreciated.......however I have to point out that each truck from those areas were costing the U.S. and Florida tax payers over $2,000 per day. This was not persona non grata. But not to take away from the fact that the power was restored quickly, I'll give you that.
Anyway, what does that have to do with Quebec's pinko pansies.
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Nope...
American cowboys are all gay. Butless chaps-wearin' queer as all get out male pig shaggingly gay. They ride around all day wearin' nothing but their butless chaps and a bolo tie. It's disgusting. But since they're all out of sight, out there somewhere on ranches, nobody seems to care. Thank god we grow our own cattle here. Who knows where the meat you eat has been. Makes me sick thinking about it.
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Originally posted by Nash
Nope...
American cowboys are all gay. Butless chaps-wearin' queer as all get out male pig shaggingly gay. They ride around all day wearin' nothing but their butless chaps and a bolo tie. It's disgusting. But since they're all out of sight, out there somewhere on ranches, nobody seems to care. Thank god we grow our own cattle here. Who knows where the meat you eat has been. Makes me sick thinking about it.
hmmm.... I wonder if THIS is what they call a snipe... errr I mean troll.
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Originally posted by mosgood
hmmm.... I wonder if THIS is what they call a snipe... errr I mean troll.
Well If it walks like a duck
And it quacks like a duck
It must be NASH.
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So you deny it? Here's one of your American cowboys. Try explaining this.
(http://www.aguysite.com/oct-cowboy.jpg)
I don't know how you guys can stomach eating US meat... Unless this is all new to you. I know I've never been able to look at a McDonalds hamburger in quite the same way. Meat... buns... special sauce.... Gawdamn @#$#$ queers ruin evarything!
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Originally posted by Nash
So you deny it? Here's one of your American cowboys. Try explaining this.
(http://www.retrocrush.com/archive2003/vp/cowboy.jpg)
Ok A red X
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Let the UN disarm Africa first. Then we'll talk....
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Originally posted by Nash
So you deny it? Here's one of your American cowboys. Try explaining this.
(http://www.aguysite.com/oct-cowboy.jpg)
I don't know how you guys can stomach eating US meat... Unless this is all new to you. I know I've never been able to look at a McDonalds hamburger in quite the same way. Meat... buns... special sauce.... Gawdamn @#$#$ queers ruin evarything!
Nash those private moments should be kept between partners.
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Here's some of that good canadian beef LOL
Latest Developments
Reuters Photo
Canada Finds Suspected Case of Mad Cow
(Reuters) - Canada may have found a new case of mad cow disease, officials said on Thursday, rekindling tensions in its hard-hit beef industry just one day after the United States announced plans to reopen the border to live Canadian cattle. A 10-year-old dairy cow from Alberta tested positive in two preliminary examinations, but the case -- which comes 20 months after Canada's first mad cow discovery -- has yet to be confirmed by a full-scale test, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency said. More http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=568&ncid=568&e=2&u=/nm/20041230/bs_nm/madcow_canada_dc_4 ...
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Hey.... our cows may be mad, but at least they aint preeverts.
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Nash theres some thing really wrong with you!
And I like it LOL.
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LOL Beef!
I just found this:
"US import volume exceed exports by approximately 200,000 mt due to exports of high quality beef products and imports of low quality beef products.
Canada is now the largest import supplier of beef to the U.S. market."
Source: Texas A&M University
:D
Guten Appetit !
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So your saying the US imports more because we export more?
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Originally posted by Torque
You mean these Canadians...
(http://www.hydroonenetworks.com/en/media/florida_hurricane/Florida_Group_thumbnail.jpg)
http://www.hydroonenetworks.com/en/media/florida_hurricane/default.asp
"Helping one another out in times of a major disaster is a longstanding tradition in the electricity industry. Hydro One's lines staff is among the most highly trained and efficient in the world and we have been proud to lend a hand to Florida in the wake of Hurricane Frances.
This collection of letters and stories is a snapshot of not only our crews' efforts and Hurricane Frances' destruction, but also the gratitude of Florida residents.
After our crew of 270 returned home, Hurricane Jeanne hit the Gulf Coast on September 25, destroying much of our hard work. As a testament to our superior skills and professionalism, Florida Power and Light made a special request for Hydro One
staff to once again come to their aid. Hydro One dispatched a fresh crew of 220 on September 27. While the efforts of our crews in Florida have been extraordinary, I'm proud of the enthusiasm and dedication that all of our people serving the province of Ontario demonstrate each day."
They even supported a local football and bought them all new jerseys.
Silly Canucks.....:rolleyes:
Maine utility helps to restore power after blizzard swats Atlantic Canada
December 28, 2004
HALIFAX, Nova Scotia -- Maine utility crews pitched in to help restore power to thousands of Atlantic Canadians on Tuesday, a day after a blizzard dumped nearly two feet of snow on some parts of the region.
The ocean storm grazed most of Maine, leaving only a couple of inches in most areas but more than a foot in parts of Washington County.
But it escalated to a blizzard as it headed to the Maritime Provinces. Blizzard warnings remained in effect for western Cape Breton and the western coast of Newfoundland on Tuesday, as high winds and whiteout conditions were reported in those areas
Silly Mainers
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Ripper29
Canada is Florida’s number one source for tourism, with nearly 1.9 million Canadians expected to visit the state in 2004 and increasing to more than 2.1 million by 2006.
OHHH Lordy...What has my beloved state done to deserve this....
better get more practice...O.K. let me see... No, we dont parlavoo Francwa...How much is this in real money??? 2.1 million...crap that'll take 1 and a half million New Yorkers if they can get one under each arm.....I'm really looking forward to BCR.
BCR also known as "Black College Reunion" Very little college and no reunion. It is a giant 72 hour street party on Atlantic Ave. A1A.
It's held in April...about 250,000 young African Americans park in the street covering an area of about 10 miles. which of course causes instant gridlock. It is to see and be seen, also known as stylin' and profilin'. for the most part they pretty much trash the place to the tune of a couple hundred grand to clean it up.
No one will sponser the event ( I wonder Why). The bright side is they are far more well behaved than the white spring brakers, on an evolutionary scale I'll put them somewhere between a small rodent and a cherrystone clam. But since I live on the Halifax near Ponce Inlet with my private boat dock...I just motor on up to St. Augustine...or down to mosquito lagoon for some tailing reds or snook...yuk yuk.
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Originally posted by Stringer
Maine utility helps to restore power after blizzard swats Atlantic Canada
December 28, 2004
HALIFAX, Nova Scotia -- Maine utility crews pitched in to help restore power to thousands of Atlantic Canadians on Tuesday, a day after a blizzard dumped nearly two feet of snow on some parts of the region.
The ocean storm grazed most of Maine, leaving only a couple of inches in most areas but more than a foot in parts of Washington County.
But it escalated to a blizzard as it headed to the Maritime Provinces. Blizzard warnings remained in effect for western Cape Breton and the western coast of Newfoundland on Tuesday, as high winds and whiteout conditions were reported in those areas
Silly Mainers
:rolleyes:
Ah, beat me to it!
And they helped us out immensely when we got clobbered by ice storms in 1998 that literally shut the state down.
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of all of the things that i miss, i miss america most.
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Originally posted by weaselsan
OHHH Lordy...What has my beloved state done to deserve this....
better get more practice...O.K. let me see... No, we dont parlavoo Francwa...How much is this in real money??? 2.1 million...crap that'll take 1 and a half million New Yorkers if they can get one under each arm.....I'm really looking forward to BCR.
The amount quoted are in US Dollars, and considering not all Canadians speak French, and those that do also speak english you should have no trouble speaking to them and prying some of that money from thier pale white hands.
However should you feel that all these visiting Canadians are more trouble then they are worth it might be wise to close your boarder to them. I suppose they could take thier money to other locations in the nearby area that might not be so picky about where the money comes from. Let's see, there's Mexico, Turks and Cacios, Trinidad, Jamaica...and there is always Cuba....
But hey, it's your country, we can always go somewhere else......;)
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Originally posted by Ripper29
But hey, it's your country, we can always go somewhere else......;)
If you do...could you do me a favor and maybe help me talk the canuck that owns the Property to my South that I so covet to sell it to me. I will give him a nice profit. Tell you what since you can't own land in Jamaica "Unless you are Jamacian (smart people) I'll buy him a life time Share unit of his choice.
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Originally posted by Nash
Lets not forget... you're still talking about Quebecers. They don't even count.
Daytona sucks and Alberta is teh winnar!1
true we don't count...
but please Nash, keep a tight handle on your jealousy fits, its so gay and expected from a farmboy from Alberta :D
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Originally posted by bustr
Rebbeca Peters spent 4 years in New York city working for an anti-gun organization. From that experience she stated incredulity at U.S. citizens not seeing we should ignore our constitution in the face of the human tragedies in our country due to the proliferation of guns.
After all she had a large part in framing the gun ban for Australia and input on Great Britans. But then it's easy singing to a choir that has already decided to not listen to its subjects\citizens. In the end both countries citizens now personally pay the price for her vision of utopia. But she got her way! A ban on private ownership of guns. Now if she could only wave her magic wand and give Australia and Great Britan's citizens back their lives before they were murdered, raped, and robbed due to being disarmed and the subsiquent criminalization of self defence in general.
Lets hear it for Rebbeca Peters and the Utopia she can bring us.
In regards to Australia....thats all bollocks....carry on...
Tronsky
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Doesn't surprise me, the UN has been wanting control over the world for some time. What better way than to start with the richest, and most powerful, nation?
-SW
LMAO .
The UN needs to learn to control itself first.
something which doesnt look like its gonna happen anytime in our lifetimes
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Originally posted by -tronski-
In regards to Australia....thats all bollocks....carry on...
Tronsky
Likewise in respect of the UK. You haven't been paying attention to previous discussions on this subject have you Bustr?
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Originally posted by mosgood
Are you kidding me? That's Gene Autry!
100% cowboy!
(http://www.portsmouth.lib.oh.us/images/royrogers/roy4.jpg)
Roy Rogers
(http://www.wildwestweb.net/steeds/champ2.jpg)
Gene Autry
Nash posted a picture of Roy Rogers and Dale Evans. You must now return your citizenship papers to Homeland Security and prepare for deportation.
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PLUMBERBUTT!
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nash.. I can see why you would be so angry but... those guys you take home from the new york bars are lieing to you. They are not cowboys.
as for rebecca peters... I can't believe she had anything to do with getting guns taken away from aussies... If she diod then either the aussies didn't want em in the first place or they are the dumbest critters on earth because she got slaughtered in the debate with LaPierre. She doesn't know anything about guns. she is both lazy and hysterical... a typical liberal.
lazs
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Originally posted by bustr
Rebbeca Peters spent 4 years in New York city working for an anti-gun organization. From that experience she stated incredulity at U.S. citizens not seeing we should ignore our constitution in the face of the human tragedies in our country due to the proliferation of guns.
After all she had a large part in framing the gun ban for Australia and input on Great Britans. But then it's easy singing to a choir that has already decided to not listen to its subjects\citizens. In the end both countries citizens now personally pay the price for her vision of utopia. But she got her way! A ban on private ownership of guns. Now if she could only wave her magic wand and give Australia and Great Britan's citizens back their lives before they were murdered, raped, and robbed due to being disarmed and the subsiquent criminalization of self defence in general.
Lets hear it for Rebbeca Peters and the Utopia she can bring us.
Tronski said that was all bollocks as far as Australia goes.
And I can confirm that it's all bollocks as far as Britain goes too. Now if she could only wave her magic wand and give Australia and Great Britan's citizens back their lives before they were murdered
Better check the homicide stats for the US/Britain/Australia. Erm... who did you say was paying a price? :D(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/jester.gif)
One last question - have you ever been out of your home state?
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so the crime and homicide rates of both england and australia have dropped since the confiscation of firearms owned by citizens?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
so the crime and homicide rates of both england and australia have dropped since the confiscation of firearms owned by citizens?
Bustr's erroneous observation was "Now if she could only wave her magic wand and give Australia and Great Britan's citizens back their lives before they were murdered, raped, and robbed due to being disarmed" - and as tronski has already pointed out, it's bollocks. It's not us that are getting murdered - well OK, about 750 people were, by various methods - as compared with 16000+ murdered in the US in the same period.
Now if only Charlton Heston could wave his magic wand...
...but even if he could, your homicide levels will always be many times what ours are.
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It's not us that are getting murdered - well OK, about 750 people were, [/B]
was this number higher before the gun ban?
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well, the new york times has chimed in.
article (http://cnn.allpolitics.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=CNN.com%2B-%2BNY%2BTimes%2Bcalls%2BU.S.%2Baid%2Bfor%2Btsunami%2B%27miserly%27%2B-%2BDec%2B30%2C%2B2004&expire=01%2F13%2F2005&urlID=12730907&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2004%2FALLPOLITICS%2F12%2F30%2Fquake.usa.editorial.reut%2Findex.html&partnerID=2001)
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another.
article (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=655&u=/oneworld/20041229/wl_oneworld/45361005991104341187&printer=1)
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Originally posted by mietla
was this number higher before the gun ban?
Probably both. The total moves up and down, but such movements are not overall trends, but year on year fluctuations. Fewer than 10% of total homicides are committed with a gun. I think the gun control laws have something to do with that. ;)
Prevention is better than cure. :aok
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Tell you what since you can't own land in Jamaica "Unless you are Jamacian (smart people) ...
I think you have your islands confused ... many Americans OWN property in Jamaica. We have had a place in Runaway Bay for over 20 years now.
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Does any agency keep statistics on the number of people from countries with defenseless, unarmed civilians who are murdered by their own governments? If memory serves, I believe there was a significant number of defenseless citizens murdered by, or with the complicity of, their governments during the 1930s and 1940s. That is a trend that continues to this day...in certain areas of Europe, Asia, Africa, and South America.
By the way, that 16,000 murders a year is a total of ALL homicides in the U.S., both justified and unjustified. Since many of these are drug or gang related, I don't think any changes are going to significantly effect the numbers, because those perps don't give a dam- about the law.
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U.S. Boosts Tsunami Aid Tenfold to $350M
DEB RIECHMANN
Associated Press
CRAWFORD, Texas - The United States is pledging $350 million to help tsunami victims, a tenfold increase over its first wave of aid, President Bush announced Friday.
"Initial findings of American assessment teams on the ground indicate that the need for financial and other assistance will steadily increase in the days and weeks ahead," Bush said Friday in a statement released in Crawford, Texas, where he is staying at his ranch.
"Our contributions will continue to be revised as the full effects of this terrible tragedy become clearer," he said. "Our thoughts and prayers are with all those affected by this epic disaster."
Bush also is sending Secretary of State Colin Powell to Indian Ocean coastal areas ravaged by earthquake and tsunami to assess what more the United States needs to do. The president's brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, will travel with him.
The newly announced aid came after some critics claimed that the initial U.S. contribution of $35 million was meager considering the vast wealth of the nation.
France has promised $57 million, Britain has pledged $95 million, Sweden is sending $75.5 million and Spain is offering $68 million, although that pledge is partly in loans.
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beet... you are correct on one count... if we removed every homicide from our rate that was committed with a firearm we would still have a higher rate than you do. If we did remove every firearm across the land we would have as high or higher of a homicide rate here. It is not the weapon it is the people.
lazs
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
(http://www.portsmouth.lib.oh.us/images/royrogers/roy4.jpg)
Roy Rogers
(http://www.wildwestweb.net/steeds/champ2.jpg)
Gene Autry
Nash posted a picture of Roy Rogers and Dale Evans. You must now return your citizenship papers to Homeland Security and prepare for deportation.
???? When did they swap names?????
:rolleyes: :o
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roy (http://www.royrogers.com/)
gene (http://www.geneautry.com/html/home.php)
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Gene Autry, born in Tioga,Tx:aok
Isn't Alberta the place where Texans go, to learn how to be cowboys.
Then why are there so many Canucks down here?:p
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quote:Isn't Alberta the place where Texans go, to learn how to be cowboys.
Originally posted by Slash27
Gene Autry, born in Tioga,Tx:aok
Then why are there so many Canucks down here?:p
On site Tech Support.....:D
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Originally posted by weaselsan
The help that we recieved from ontario as well as from the other states was greatly appreciated.......however I have to point out that each truck from those areas were costing the U.S. and Florida tax payers over $2,000 per day. This was not persona non grata. But not to take away from the fact that the power was restored quickly, I'll give you that.
Anyway, what does that have to do with Quebec's pinko pansies.
You should just let it go for once Wease.
Sizeable crew tho, 500 men 130 truck looks to be one of the largest contingents sent from a single outside source. Anything other than lend-lease would be unamerican.
Kuebec sent down 122 men.
I would grant you pity tho, if it turns out that the canuck who owns the property you so covet is a hairy Francophone with a vast Spedo collection.
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what? so it wasn't particularly aid but..... they were turning a buck on the disaster?
lazs
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On site Tech Support.....
hehehe:aok
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No need to feel left out laz, When Cali burns, LAFD will often leases Kuebec made CL-215 from canucks.
From what i understand of the matter, with their superior design and capability, they played a critical role in the fight to beat-down the wildfires that were ravaging Southern California in '03.
Like i mentioned before tho, anything other than lend-lease would of been simple unamerican. It's not like there was an invading army at their doorstep and their mere existence was at stake, speaking of which have the brits final paid off the aid from wwii?
btw, how many men and trucks did cali send, considering it has three times the population of Ontario, i'd figure around 1500 men plus 360 trucks, no?
cheers
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so torque... canadians do turn a buck on US disasters then? I have to deal with canadian salesmen... they are the worst with the worst products.
guess the best thing you can say about canadians is that if there is a disaster they are for rent.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
mossgood... sorry, I missed it. did sholtzie really say something that made sense? whatever it was it was funny even to nielsen.
rebbeca peters is just another know nothing effete liberal who wants to be important off the backs of U.S. citizens because she can't make it otherwise... a perfect example of whey we shouldn't have anthing to do with the corrupt and idiotic UN.
lazs
Lazs, what is it with your apparent disdain for all women?
did your mother not breastfeed you or something, or were you fed gunpowder-laced beef as an infant?
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"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
Thomas Jefferson
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DR. BEHIND PORT ARTHUR GUN CONTROL NOW IN MARYLAND
by Stewart Beattie - author of A Gunsmith's Notebook on Port Arthur, 2002
© S. Beattie Oct. 2002
The DR. Behind Port Arthur Gun Control Now In Maryland …
Recent news reports from out of America's East Coast of a "sniper" shooting unarmed people in Maryland and Virginia caused me to take a second look at part of an article I'd written earlier in 2000, about a "star" of the gun control network, Doctor Rebecca Peters, who coincidentally went to Baltimore as soon as her task "down under" was done.
In Australia the "gun control" compact deployed as a network of NGOs, but also they were strategically grafted into our Administration in the Attorney General and Justice Departments. Duncan Kerr (Labour) was the Minister responsible for the Department of Justice who over saw the appointment of one Daryl Smeaton, charged with the drafting of new gun laws, for the States and Territories to enact - as early as November 1995.
The National Coalition for Gun Control (NCGC) was based in Sydney, but had an important branch in Hobart, Tasmania, headed up there by lawyer Roland Browne, while in Melbourne a "sister" organisation, the Coalition for Gun Control (CGC) was run by John Bruce Crook. Prior to 1996, Crook was involved in a defamation action in Melbourne, and in that trial it was reported that none other than Daryl Smeaton presented the Court with a supportive character reference for Crook. 1
But it was in Sydney where Rebecca Peters rose to prominence, arriving in 1981, 'with a man she met travelling,' and apparently lived in Cairo prior to her arrival. While Peters says "she decided" to settle Down Under and become an "Australian citizen," I'm caused to remember those famous words, 'In politics nothing happens by chance. If it happens, it was meant to happen that way'. Apparently Rebecca was from a young age, bent on saving the world.
Born in 1962, Peters grew up as a teenager in Costa Rica, the second of six children in an American family. As her father worked for the American Government there, 'half jokingly,' she suggested in an interview in Australia he "probably worked for the CIA." At age 15 years while attending an "alternative school" in Costa Rica, Peters was educated by itinerant "young hippies". It was during this new-age education she became "obsessed with changing the world."
In Sydney, Peters enrolled in a university in the faculty of Engineering (possibly Macquarie), being just one of only two females in the course, but in 1983 she dropped out. For a time Rebecca took a job as a researcher and reporter with ABC Radio (known locally as the "Gay-BC"), worked with Andrew Olle, but soon found the nature of journalism, 'too disposable'.
In 1991 with a not-so-subtle agenda, Peters returned to university, enrolled as a law student gaining her law degree, at the end of which, she produced a thesis on 'tighter gun control'. This was the "centrepiece" of an enormous folio of material she collected and wrote for her campaign to remove loop-holes in existing gun laws in Australia. She promoted herself as a 'multilingual middle-class lawyer' who was fanatical about "gun control". 2
By `91 Peters was running the NCGC, rising fast to the position of "chair", almost as quickly as the death rate climbed with each incident of that new phenomenon to Australasia, the gun massacre. Undoubtedly her success in this new global calling was to the delight of her best friend the feminist activist Eva Cox and Peters' mentor Charles Watson, Professor of Public Health at Wollongong University, who admired her for her 'intellectual thoroughness.'
In a remarkably short time she quite brilliantly bull-dozed aside the entire weak, (some treacherous), and fragmented firearm owner, sporting shooters' groups, and almost surely was surprised by her success with the shooting massacres producing a 'win-win sound-bite' for the minds and meek support of the gullible Mums and Dads of Australia. Dunblane massacre occurred on 13 March `96 and Port Arthur followed 46 days later. Then all the pieces fell into place for Federal Attorney General, Daryl Williams, to implement the gun-ban laws prepared and ready in November of 1995 by Daryl Smeaton. Job done, it was off to the "Big Apple" for Peters.
But a point to remember, while Rebecca Peters was "down-under", 6 shooting massacres occurred in Australia and New Zealand resulting in 76 deaths and 53 wounded people. In "gun control" here, Peters was no doubt - numro uno. Curiously though since Peters left, the shooting massacres have ceased! None in the last six years. And private firearms still abound…
In New York, Rebecca Peters hit the pavement 'running' and is immediately associated with Desmond Riley of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence - part of the NAACP crowd involved in 'crafting a gun control strategy' for "curing gun ownership" - their words.
Shortly it was announced that Peters was awarded (if you believe their own news releases - or if logic is your guide, rewarded may be the more appropriate word) - with a Senior Fellowship in March 1997 by the Soros Foundation's Open Institute funded Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Merryland. So the good citizens there should perhaps keep her Australasian achievements in mind.
In making application for her fellowship, Rebecca had to 'submit a budget' for her envisioned work … forgive me from chuckling. Can you imagine her difficult task here? Think of a big digit add lots of zeros and voila … a budget!
You may wish to drop a line to the Doctor so here is her working address: The Center on Crime, Community and Culture, 400 West 59th Street, New York, NY10019. Or perhaps you may wish to forward a congratulatory e-mail to < rpeters@sorosny.org >. Rebecca's doctorate included a stipend incidentally of US$32,500 p.a., plus various expenses covered in her 'budgeted' expenses, the lot bankrolled by the tax-exempt Soros Foundation.
Her citizenry disarmament program is far flung, and includes Australia, New Zealand, the sub-continent, South America, Great Britain and Europe: she's a true-blue "globalist". First on the list after jetting out of Australia though, was her close involvement in organisation of the 'Million Mom March' and in reports of this event, her trademark outlandish unsubstantiated claims regarding crimes, firearms and related deaths appeared on cue. Easily destroyed later by reputable writers, but once the lie is said, truth inevitably is the casualty. Before leaving Australia though, her name was noted alongside that of her NCGC Hobart colleague (now chair of NCGC), Roland Browne on a University Paper entitled, Australia's New Gun Control Philosophy: Public Health is Paramount. 3
But I find it remarkable, that even although in Australia she'd been granted citizenship, Peters' American roots were emphasised. Now in America, Dr Peters is always reported as being 'an Australian gun control expert' … a weird twist don't you think.
In America, the Million Mom March staged on Monday 15 May 1996, on the Mall in Washington, was in Australia lauded 'a raging success'. But even with wall-to-wall major media publicity, numbers were in fact a long way short of the hoped-for million. Hillary and Bill Clinton were of course on tap for the regulation photo-shoot, not surprising really. As it was reported that the rally was 'conceived by Donna Dees-Thomases', supposedly just a concerned 'New Jersey housewife'. However it was reported that in fact Dees-Thomases was a 'high-powered CBS publicist who at one point worked for CBS anchor Dan Rather'. Even of more interest in this same report was the claim that the lady 'is the sister-in-law of Susan Thomases', who was lawyer, political advisor and confidant of Hillary Clinton, the then First Lady. 4
For Rebecca Peters, her 1996 schedule was quite hectic. It was crunch year and on 13 March at Dunblane Primary School in Scotland, 43-year-old Thomas Hamilton, shot dead 16, wounded 13 and then shot himself. Fifteen of the sixteen dead, and ten of the thirteen wounded were all children. Energetically publicised by their chums in the Media, Dunblane was in the scheme of disarmament, the precursor to Port Arthur massacre in Tasmania, Australia. At Port Arthur on 28 April 1996, 35 people died and 20 were wounded in the first convoluted terrorist shooting massacre in this nation. In the massacre, the murder of Nanette Mikac and her two daughters was said by the CNN's John Raedler in the EMA papers to be the classic ‘win-win’ sound bite. Raedler scurried down to Tasmania from Sydney to capture that ‘win-win’ sound bite. I'm caused then to wonder how would uncivilized people evaluate Dunblane?
However, in relation to both massacres it should be remembered it was Rebecca Peters' colleague, Roland Browne, now chair of NCGC, who predicted a shooting massacre in Tasmania in November of 1995, and quite remarkably again made a repeated prediction on the "A Current Affair" TV show, straight after Scotland's Dunblane Massacre. But then anti-gun proponents in Australia seem to have this remarkable psychic skill. For in Tasmania's capitol city Hobart after a Special Premier’s Conference in relation to Gun Control held in December of 1987, NSW's then Premier, Barry "No-gunsworth" Unsworth stated bluntly: "There will never be uniform gun laws in Australia until we see a massacre in Tasmania."
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Port Arthur massacre was the catalyst for subsequent reciprocal visits across the globe by some of those closely involved with victims of both shooting murders. But with Peters in America, in the, Washington Mall, just 9 weeks after Dunblane massacre, three mothers; Kareen Turner, Alison Crozier and Karen Scott, who each lost a daughter in the Dunblane murders, featured in the Million Mom March. Now while we all probably sympathise with their personal loss of young innocent children, in Washington they marched along smiling and waving. I wonder who paid for their return flight to America and similarly other flights to Australia, and conversely the Port Arthur survivors to Dunblane? Dr Peters also flew to Dunblane in August of 1996 … 'to deliver messages from Port Arthur survivors' it was reported at the time.
The network of Peters' and her NGO's the global Gun Control Network, are well funded and conveniently placed, as the synonym suggest - outside of governmental restraints. I would be astonished if it was proven her Australian network had not received a generous helping of Institute hand-outs to disarm our good people in 1991- 1996. To example the extent of these amassed fortunes, one such "funder", the Joyce Foundation, was reported as granting between 1993 and 1997, some $13.2 m, for distribution among 55 'gun control' organisations. John Hopkins is bank-rolled to sustain disarmament battle by such "funders" as the California Wellness Foundation (CWF), Gerorge Soros' Open Society Institute and the Public Welfare Foundation, just three of the well-endowed tax-exempt funders supporting the global gun-grabbers. George Soros’ Open Society Institute funds gun control networks on a national scale across America, but indeed globally, in 33 countries. One should be surprised if Australia didn't figure high on this list. Open Society also gave the Violence Policy Center $1.2 million in 1997 to expand its anti-gun efforts. 5
Like Joyce, CWF treats gun violence as a public health problem that requires government regulation just as Peters did in Australia. Sadly every good citizen Peters disarms effectively produces one more potential victim of criminal misdeeds, a point obviously not overlooked by her. As it was observed by the then leader of the Australian Democrats, Cheryl Kernot, that Peters always went out of her way to keep a discreet distance from victims of gun crime, as she was 'sensitive to the emotional implication.' 6 I wonder if disarmed potential victims ever crossed her mind while accepting her Human Rights award from Dame Roma Mitchell? As I mentioned Peters went to John Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, and first to their Violence Policy Center. Interestingly, my investigations show Rebecca's doctorate is somewhat tainted, as if such principals would matter to Dr Rebecca.
Back in August of 1987, John Hopkins University was heavily involved in promoting food irradiation, even although the process was banned by the West German Government in 1958, and the American FDA in 1968. But not to be deterred John Hopkins organised a forum to promote publicly a 'balanced view' with 20 guest speakers. However the seminar had to abandoned, when speaker number 20 exposed the other 19 speakers not only heavily biased to promote this disposal system for nuclear waste as "safe" with all of them involved heavily in the nuclear industry.
It should come as no surprise to learn that John Hopkins in 1986, received funding of a reported $317m American "defence dollars"! What level of "Arms and Military" funding does John Hopkins receive today that in any way assists the works of Dr Peters and her 'arms-grabbing' cadre? 7
Now returning to the scene in New South Wales for a moment. Before Rebecca Peters flew out to her allotted 'battle ground' in America, she had one important task to complete here. The Parliaments of Australia are legislatures with limited powers. They are not supreme. The right to keep and bear arms and use them is a right beyond the powers of Parliament. Six hundred years ago people didn't trust government, and it would appear nothing has changed. So armed Government willing to use force - legitimised by Doctor Peters and her network - are in truth, hell-bent on closing that "loop-hole" in gun laws which are basic individual freedoms that with "clubs" they are intent on closing! This single fact assured that there would inevitably be a legal challenge mounted by some section of our citizenry that would surely win in the courts.
So in New South Wales, as the Government proclaimed "gun buy-back," began to effect the citizens a previously formed Concerned Citizens Association in the Hunter Valley, sought legal opinion as to how best to mount a case against government to have this iniquitous "law" quashed.
The global "gun control" network had no intention of suffering such a set back. Its network tentacles obviously penetrated the very fabric of society at many different levels. Peters and company certainly had a very effective "grape vine" network.
The legal advice was no sooner prepared and delivered to the client Association, than word was received by the Association's executive that Peters - remember in her own estimation a "middle class" lawyer, a very junior solicitor - had already been given an audience before the autocratic NSW Bar Association, a quite extraordinary accomplishment in itself.
I have learned that it was directly as a result of Rebecca Peters addressing that eminent group of staid gentlemen which caused them to immediately pass a motion which effectively bound them, that should a legal challenge be launched against the 1996 gun law changes in Australia, the Bar Association would mount a strong campaign to defeat such a legal challenge and apparently "free legal services" were promised to aid in defeating any such challenge, which is perhaps why in the courts of Australia, survivors of the Port Arthur massacre seeking redress have a devil's own job in getting their case to Court.
When Port Arthur and its "fruit" are considered alongside what has occurred especially in Canada what is building - fast - just south of the border should cause all Americans a deal of concern. In Canada a not-so-discreet Canadian Liberal Party Senator, Sharon Carstairs let the cat out of the bag some time back with her witnessed as pointing out before the Community Legal Education Association, that the new gun law is the lynchpin in her party's plan to "socially re-engineer Canada". 8
Her revelation prompted journalist Lorne Gunter of the Edmonton Journal, to write, "The Liberals believe [the draconian gun law] would re-engineer Canada, and especially male gun owners, making its citizens more docile." Continuing he wrote, "When lawmakers trample centuries-old liberties without an overwhelming social good, in return … then respect for the law dies and the rule of law along with it." 9
Summary:
As I edited this article, news came to hand that a tenth victim had been shot and killed in Washington. On the same television news I saw were 10 people were killed and 34 injured in a 24-plus vehicle pile-up on Interstate 13, near Milwaukee: they died a grizzly, fiery death … but to a wider public such incidents are fill-in news items. They cause no widespread trauma, certainly nothing equivalent in any way to a win-win sound bite such as results from the gross uncertainty of the Washington sniper. Just the same as the Port Arthur massacre. Those who employ Hegelian dialectics against their fellow man for political gain play trauma as a finely tuned tool, to control a nation, just as 9/11 did to many nations. Trauma is an extraordinarily efficient agent, deployed to deliver control to the State through voluntary surrender by the people of their inalienable rights and freedoms.
Is it too hard to look at history? Not so long ago the Tavistock guru's Aldous Huxley and Timothy Leary under the wing of Capitol International Airways (CIA), created the first "somatotomic serial killer" Charles Manson. Hence the spate of earlier school yard shootings in America, and this latest sniper program prompts me to quote the following for your consideration:
"In a quite almost invisible way … OSS-CIA assessment methods transformed our basic notions about human nature. Thirteen million youths were screened, selected, trained in complex skills, behaviour-modified …by means of psychological techniques. … In the future both war and peace were to be based on our knowledge of the brain. Intelligence became the key to survival in the future. Psychology became the new science of human engineering." end quote. 10
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This morning's latest "breaking news" of the huge bomb detonated in the Bali township of Kuta resulting in upwards of 184 killed and 'hundreds' more wounded reminds me of the above article. Official reports here are suspect to say the least. After the Port Arthur Massacre, how can any Australian trust our present crop of politicians. For in the scheme of gun control delivered by politicians, I must remind you: there is no trigger guard or safety-catch on politicians.
But of one point I can be certain; Dr Peters has not deserted her latest field of operations, Baltimore and the District of Columbia, and the gun control network is not going away either. So, in these uncertain times it is Okay to be unarmed, but if you love freedom with a passion … should you be so reckless as to allow yourself to be disarmed?
Sources:
Sporting Shooters Association of Australia, Press Release c-1998.
Fairfax - GOOD WEEKEND, 5 April 1997 "In The Firing Line" by Sonya Voumard
ISSN 1443-8607 Vol 1 Number 2 Nov. 2000.
American Rifleman - by Daniel T. McElrath, July 2000 p.13
Various Internet sites re Soros and "Gun Control" advocate posted articles
Fairfax - GOOD WEEKEND, 5 April 1997 "In The Firing Line" by Sonya Voumard
Murder By Injection by Eustace Mullins 1988, p.224
American NRA's ILA article, "Canada: where registration equals confiscation" American Rifleman, March 2001, p.67-69.
Ibid.
Serial Killers Part II, by Carol Greene and David Hammer (c-1990) p.11.
--------The author gives permission to copy, providing it is done so without omissions or amendments. SB
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Thank god we grow our own cattle here. Who knows where the meat you eat has been.
:rofl
And I just seen a report on the news of yet another "MAD COW" in CanaDUH...
(http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/images/07-minister.jpg)
"There were no Mad Cows here in CanaDuh...all lies I tell you.. Why I saw that Cow just 10 minutes ago and he was happy. and If there was a Mad Cow here in CanaDuh you can bet it came from Boosh. Boosh is Mad Cow...."
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redbottom claimed....
"Lazs, what is it with your apparent disdain for all women?
did your mother not breastfeed you or something, or were you fed gunpowder-laced beef as an infant?"
I have no disdain for women much less "all women"... As you can see this peters is a nutcase. I don't blame her gender for her insanity.
lazs
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Tell you what since you can't own land in Jamaica "Unless you are Jamacian (smart people) ...
I think you have your islands confused ... many Americans OWN property in Jamaica. We have had a place in Runaway Bay for over 20 years now.
It's Trinidad.....close
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yeah i suppose at worst they are on par with their american counterparts.
dunno what canuck salemen would peddle in a small town like dixon, maybe water bombers to combat the three digit rise in arson?
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torque... you are going to have to show me where you get your figures.... so far you have been wrong on all of your info about Dixon... while it is a fun place to live and it does have crappy concealled carry restrictions... it is by no means the crime capital you claim... I know the fire cheif personally and work with him... there has been only one real arson fire for a reduction this last year of 100% and.... even at that... kids starting the grass on fire near an overpass is hardly a crime wave.
we just bought a new fire truck... it was not made in canada.. the cheif says the canadian ones are crap even tho they use mostly American parts. You would think canadians would know how to assemble American vehicle parts by now...... eh?
lazs
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Where have we seen this name before...? O Ya MOVEON.ORG and the kerry for the UN campaign
......Gerorge Soros' Open Society Institute and the Public Welfare Foundation, just three of the well-endowed tax-exempt funders supporting the global gun-grabbers. George Soros’ Open Society Institute funds gun control networks on a national scale across America, but indeed globally, in 33 countries. One should be surprised if Australia didn't figure high on this list. Open Society also gave the Violence Policy Center $1.2 million in 1997 to expand its anti-gun efforts. ....
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"Swatting down liberal and/or conservative blather is like arguing with a child, after all the yelling is done they call you names and go away mad.... "
lets hear it for the centrists and moderates.
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man, there is going to be one hell of a war in the next 100 years.
i'd just like to appologise in advance to any of my friends in America who I may be forced to kill in future global confrontations.
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What, lead you by the hand, i don't think so. People might get the impression i'm some sorta powder toast guy, lending aid to helpless seniors.
i'm pulling the numbers from the city of dixon's police department 2003 year-end report. There is only one dixon in cali and it's located in solano county, am i correct?
For some mysterious reason which escapes me now, i couldn't care less aboot firetrucks, or whom builds them for that matter. They hardly factor into my everyday accounts. The arson rate here is very low. Dixon on they other hand with a 143% increase in arson, would be better off to just lease CL-215 , like LA county does.
Quality built vehicles, nevar did keep a car long enough to gain an accurate opinion. With trucks, all i can say is that i bought a GMC heavy half ton work truck 13 years ago. Built right here in Oshawa it's a good half hour from me. The truck has +300 000 kilometres and the original 5.7 litre engine and tranny. It went thru a crap load of rotors and one rad. Abused all to hell, carried more than a ton many a time in rough terrian, flat leaf springs and all. It will still burn rubber and goes like snot, i'm baffled myself, like a faithfull dog i just can't put her down.
The Ford Oakville F150 plant is a 15 minutes from my house, i believe it's Ford's second most efficient assembly line.
anything else...?
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Are you implying that auto assembly efficiency is dependent on having Canadian workers?
(2003) Among individual assembly plants, Nissan's Smyrna, Tenn., plant that builds the Altima ranked as the most efficient. It was followed by four GM car plants, two in Oshawa, Ontario, and two in Lansing. GM's Lansing Grand River plant, home of the Cadillac CTS and SRX, was the most efficient luxury-car plant.
Let's see... four GM plants in the top 5; maybe, just maybe GM as a corporation is good at building vehicles efficiently? Because of the top 4 GM plants they're split equally Canada/US.
Just a thought.
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just to jump in here. the CL-215 is easily the very best thought out constructed and deployed airplane of it's type it's also the first ever purpose built. it represents some very creative thinking on the part of Canadair, which has a long and proud history of creating and fielding rugged dependable aircraft.
Generally speaking from my experience it's hard to find a more open honest and friendly group of people than the Anglo-Canadians. Having said that, regarding the Franco-Canadians, I agree with weaselwan.
The nicest thing to see in South Florida is all those Quebec tags Souviensing north on I-95. Hopefully they each have one other francophone under each arm and a half dozen in the trunk.
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Her citizenry disarmament program is far flung, and includes Australia, New Zealand, the sub-continent, South America, Great Britain and Europe: she's a true-blue "globalist".
I have never heard of the woman before. But if she had any input in the UN inspired push for "universal gun registration" in NZ- she struck out. It's been defeated.
We ain't going down the road Aussie and Canada have. At least not yet, and hopefully never.
Excel
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torque... I doubt that the police report gave you the erroneous population figure. I also doubt that you would call grass fires at an overpass onm the freeway "arson" in your neck of the woods unless your fire and police were doing their budget and wanted more money.
I don't think canadians can assemble American parts better or worse than anyone else... never said that... I said that you should be getting good at it by now since you have no vehicle of your own so the only vehicles you assemble are ours and maybe other countries.
lazs
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Originally posted by Excel1
I have never heard of the woman before. But if she had any input in the UN inspired push for "universal gun registration" in NZ- she struck out. It's been defeated.
We ain't going down the road Aussie and Canada have. At least not yet, and hopefully never.
Excel
As JBA stated in his lenghty post Rebecca Peters heads the "International Action Network on Small Arms" (IANSA) a powerful and internationally funded United Nations non-governmental organization. Their stated aim is simply to disarm the entire world. They want governments to exclusively have arms of any type.
Lest we forget tyrannical governments are responsible for more deaths globally than anything else but disease.
The Nazi party was responsible for the deaths of an estimated 20,000,000 people in the 1930-40's
The soviets were responsible for the deaths of 100,000,000 people during the same period.
The United States Government was responsible for the irradication of nearly the entire population of this continent's indigenous population in the 19th century. The United states government illegally detained Japanese AMERICANS in concentration camps during WWII. The homeland security department and the patriot act deeply concern many.
Governments cannot be handed total authority. Governments need to remember that they govern with the consent of the governed. It is a proven fact historically that if they are not reminded bad things happen to the little guy. They will exterminate you unless you toe the current party line. Can anyone say Hussein and Sons, Fidel Castro, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Slobodan Milosevic et al?
Look to the example in Switzerland. "The Swiss are fully armed and yet are fully free." for what? six hundred years or more now?
It is absurd to expect to live our lives freely without the ability to check a tyrannical government, should the need arise. A good government has no need to fear it's populace.
before some pommie starts the "fat cheeseburger eating Americans can't expect .....blah blah blah" rant I would remind us of the events of July 14, 1789 as an example of what a pissed populace can accomplish with a modicum of arms. There are also countless other stories of successful armed resistance to tyranny. Our Miccosuki and Seminole tribes in south Florida successfully resisted the might of the Federal government for over 100 years to the extent that most of Florida's counties are named for dead guys trying to repress them. These tribes were never defeated or subjugated and never ever signed a treaty with the federal government.
Look at Rwanda and see how effective the UN is at protecting people. nearly 1,000,000 where hacked to death with machetes barely ten years ago. the UN allowed this massacre to occur, UN troops witnessed the slayings.
Look at was is occurring this very day in southern Sudan where the Moslim government is practicing prosletization at bayonet point against animists and christians who will not convert to mohammadism. hundreds of thousands have died and thousands more die daily. Where is the UN in Sudan?
The second amendment to the Bill of Rights of the United States constitution is what makes the entire document viable and meaningful. the second amendment is why we are one of the world's youngest nations yet we are the oldest democracy. Well constitutional republic anyway.
" A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
I would say to Mr. Excel that without a document like our bill of rights NZ could easily go the way of Great Britain and the rest of her commonwealth.
There is a brief article on the debate between Wayne LaPierre and Rebecca Peters at King's College which occurred on October 12, 2004 in the January 2005 issue of American Rifleman (the publication of the National Rifle Association) if you are interested
http://www.nraila.org
http://www.nranews.com
http://www.nra.org
The National Rifle Association is involved globally in the fight for individual freedom. Membership is not exclusive to the citizens of the United States. As strong collective is our best defense against tyranny. The NRA is the point of the spear today. become a life member you'll be glad you did.
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storchs point being that no matter what you think of your government.... you are foolish to not fear them. The history of governments killing their own is fearful.... the UN is as scarry as stalin to me. I don't want to be unarmed in any world that the UN has any power in or in any society that rebecca peters or george soros rises to power in.
The American founders recognized this problem and wrote the constitution and bill of rights and federalist papers in such a way as to show this distrust of government, They understood that armed citizens are no where near the threat that armed governments against unarmed subjects are. That is why the right to keep and bear arms is second only to the right of free speech in America.
lazs
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Laz, you become obtuse when presented with the facts and data that don't corroborate with your narrow preception. If one suspends all rational, it's possible the dixon police department is presenting erroneous data for '02 and '03. That would not be very advantageous. But by all means go to their website and prove me wrong on any points i've made, or do you lack the integrity?
Pointing out the incorrect population at 16k instead of 20k seems petty. That would of course disperse the 12% rise of number one offences amongst a larger populous. Thanks for that correction, although i fail to see how that plays to your favour.
Your fire chief is just panning for his job and a new truck, with 143% increase in arson, if they are in fact just grass fires it would be best to have CL-215's at hand, or a similar american product, if one exists.
"we just bought a new fire truck... it was not made in canada.. the cheif says the canadian ones are crap even tho they use mostly American parts. You would think canadians would know how to assemble American vehicle parts by now...... eh?"
Not at all Toad, nor do i really care. Huge corporations are devoid of any patriotic duty or bounded by borders. Their bible is the almighty bottom line regardless. The heavy investment in China by the big three will spell doom for North American manufacturing.
The context in which laz's remark was written has an obvious inference. The data you provide shows laz, with his limited experience, to be ignorant at best on the matter.
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Originally posted by storch
As JBA stated in his lenghty post Rebecca Peters heads the "International Action Network on Small Arms" (IANSA) a powerful and internationally funded United Nations non-governmental organization. Their stated aim is simply to disarm the entire world. They want governments to exclusively have arms of any type.
Lest we forget tyrannical governments are responsible for more deaths globally than anything else but disease.
The Nazi party was responsible for the deaths of an estimated 20,000,000 people in the 1930-40's
The soviets were responsible for the deaths of 100,000,000 people during the same period.
The United States Government was responsible for the irradication of nearly the entire population of this continent's indigenous population in the 19th century. The United states government illegally detained Japanese AMERICANS in concentration camps during WWII. The homeland security department and the patriot act deeply concern many.
Governments cannot be handed total authority. Governments need to remember that they govern with the consent of the governed. It is a proven fact historically that if they are not reminded bad things happen to the little guy. They will exterminate you unless you toe the current party line. Can anyone say Hussein and Sons, Fidel Castro, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Slobodan Milosevic et al?
Look to the example in Switzerland. "The Swiss are fully armed and yet are fully free." for what? six hundred years or more now?
It is absurd to expect to live our lives freely without the ability to check a tyrannical government, should the need arise. A good government has no need to fear it's populace.
before some pommie starts the "fat cheeseburger eating Americans can't expect .....blah blah blah" rant I would remind us of the events of July 14, 1789 as an example of what a pissed populace can accomplish with a modicum of arms. There are also countless other stories of successful armed resistance to tyranny. Our Miccosuki and Seminole tribes in south Florida successfully resisted the might of the Federal government for over 100 years to the extent that most of Florida's counties are named for dead guys trying to repress them. These tribes were never defeated or subjugated and never ever signed a treaty with the federal government.
Look at Rwanda and see how effective the UN is at protecting people. nearly 1,000,000 where hacked to death with machetes barely ten years ago. the UN allowed this massacre to occur, UN troops witnessed the slayings.
Look at was is occurring this very day in southern Sudan where the Moslim government is practicing prosletization at bayonet point against animists and christians who will not convert to mohammadism. hundreds of thousands have died and thousands more die daily. Where is the UN in Sudan?
The second amendment to the Bill of Rights of the United States constitution is what makes the entire document viable and meaningful. the second amendment is why we are one of the world's youngest nations yet we are the oldest democracy. Well constitutional republic anyway.
" A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
I would say to Mr. Excel that without a document like our bill of rights NZ could easily go the way of Great Britain and the rest of her commonwealth.
There is a brief article on the debate between Wayne LaPierre and Rebecca Peters at King's College which occurred on October 12, 2004 in the January 2005 issue of American Rifleman (the publication of the National Rifle Association) if you are interested
http://www.nraila.org
http://www.nranews.com
http://www.nra.org
The National Rifle Association is involved globally in the fight for individual freedom. Membership is not exclusive to the citizens of the United States. As strong collective is our best defense against tyranny. The NRA is the point of the spear today. become a life member you'll be glad you did.
Makes good sense to me.
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Our involvement with the UN is a waste of time. Them protect us - that’s a joke and a half. Ever see the special on History Channel about Executive Outcomes, the most infamous mercenary company in operation today. Within a month of Sierra Leone's hiring of Executive Outcomes in May 1995, government forces had regained control of the diamond-rich Kono district. The UN came in and took over because they did not like the concept of "A private military for hire" and what happened; it all fell apart in a week. They couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag if they tried. If I had my way the entire UN building in Manhattan would be shipped to the first sorry *** nation that wants it. Get them OUT! I'll help them pack and move too - GET OUT FORIEGN TRASH! Take your diplomatic immunity with ya!
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torque... are you serious? are you really that naive? I do my deparmets budget too and you plan for the future as well as current needs for obvious reasons.
so far as crime rate in Dixon? who cares.... too few crimes to reallyu be significant... the rate goes up and down by more than 100% every year. Dixon is also very restrictive so far as concealled carry goes. If you are trying to say that more guns would equal less crime here tho then I would have to agree.
Dixon is simply too small to be much good for plotting crime stats for either side of the arguement. Unless.... unless concealled carry were to go up to say 10% of the population and crime rose or fell for a long period of time.
How much property loss do you think all this "arson" caused?
lazs
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Let the UN disarm Africa first!
That's abit rich as we developed countries armed them in the first place! Usualy tofight the cold war by proxy!
GUNS FEVER!!!!!!!!!!
I must confess to being glad we don't have too many here
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After seeing some of your soccer "game" aftermaths I must admit to not being too upset that you have been neutered either.
course... if I had been forced to watch a soccer game I might be ready to kill someone after a few hours too.
lazs
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Ain't THAT the truth.
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Not really, match only takes 90 minutes.
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well.. then... thats only about three quarters of an infinity.
I would probly just kill a few puppies over that. but I am not as savage as brits.
lazs
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Originally posted by EN4CER
Our involvement with the UN is a waste of time. Them protect us - that’s a joke and a half. Ever see the special on History Channel about Executive Outcomes, the most infamous mercenary company in operation today. Within a month of Sierra Leone's hiring of Executive Outcomes in May 1995, government forces had regained control of the diamond-rich Kono district. The UN came in and took over because they did not like the concept of "A private military for hire" and what happened; it all fell apart in a week. They couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag if they tried. If I had my way the entire UN building in Manhattan would be shipped to the first sorry *** nation that wants it. Get them OUT! I'll help them pack and move too - GET OUT FORIEGN TRASH! Take your diplomatic immunity with ya!
I saw that show and it was amazing. Amazing that a small group of private soldiers ( who had extensive battle experience) were able to secure that country and snuff the rebels out.
Of course, the UN was alarmed at the prospect of private armies, so they pressured the government to end the contract with Executive Outcomes.
You guys should try to view that show. Amazing.
Then the UN comes in with tens of thousands of troops and the rebels begin slaughtering everyone again.
Executive Outcomes said that if they had been allowed to leave just 30 men there, that would have been enough to keep order.
The UN absolutely screwed everthing up, as usual.
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and their uniforms look silly as heck... perfect fit... joke uniforms for a joke organization.
It really is time to stop pretending to take them seriously and to slap em down hard.
lazs
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Oh wait... you were wrong and i was correct, yet again. This is becoming redundant and boring.
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hmm... seems to me you were the one who was wrong yet again... and.... How bout those pics of your girlfriend?
Maybe argueing about things you don't know anything about is not your forte? Is there something you are current on or interested in? We could discuss that.
lazs