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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JB73 on December 30, 2004, 12:06:43 PM
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=718&e=10&u=/ap/20041230/ap_on_re_us/accused_nazi_collaborator
what you think of this?
im kind of torn, don't know any details of his supposed war crimes, and he's 86 years old, been here since the 50's
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I don't see anything in that article about what the guy actually did. He's a member of the group, but there's no stated evidence of any crimes he committed.
Lying on his visa application is another matter though.
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Why didnt they do that already several decades ago?
Seems like since the 90's everyone has been sueing germany, different firms.. etc. for all whats done wrong on the jews.
Why didnt they already do it several decades ago, when they were put to pay the war debts and other stuff?
The war is over, debts are paid, no need for further grievance between the cultures.
New generations shouldn't be punished for the misdeeds of the past generations anyway.
Besides there would be so many allied commanders and russians to be punished as well.
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As a jew I'm kinda mixed on this one.
He Is an old man now and who's to say what his views are now.
I say let him live out the rest of his life in peace.
If he Is guilty of anything God will deal with him.
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If he lied while obtaining his Visa, he should be punished for that at least. I don't want our country to send a message "It's ok to lie on your visa, unless you're a muslim." Same enforcement for everyone is needed IMHO. Racial profiling is one thing, but once found guilty, the punishment should be the same for anyone.
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Line him up and shoot him. In the gut, let him bleed out. Then string him up in the woods and let his aged body decompose on the line.
Nazi F***
So...anybody rooting for the Falcons in here?
Happy New Year, all :D
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Originally posted by Tarmac
He's a member of the group, but there's no stated evidence of any crimes he committed.
If he was a Ukranian Nazi policeman in Poland, they should probably just go ahead and shoot him.
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Originally posted by -MZ-
If he was a Ukranian Nazi policeman in Poland, they should probably just go ahead and shoot him.
What did he do to deserve that? That's been proven?
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Obviously innocent until proven guilty. But, the regional Nazi police forces in E. Eur. were often the backbone of the Einsatzgruppen who I believe killed more “undesirables” in total with bullets than were killed with Zyklon B.
A good read (actually disturbing as hell) is: Masters of Death: The SS-Einsatzgruppen and the Invention of the Holocaust
Everybody focuses on the camps but this is perhaps the core of the holocaust, certainly for Jews and others in the East.
Charon
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Hard to say EVERYONE who served did so gladly, and participated in the things we know happened. Still, its not likely anyone FORCED him to join, and very likely if he had not participated he would not be here today to worry about deportation. It's a mark of how vicious the Nazi's were in Poland that the Poles who served in the BoB in 1940 were known to sometimes outright shoot at German chutes, and if not that then to at least zoom at them and try to either collapse the chute or drag them out over the channel.
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All Nazis should be punished no matter how old they are when they are finally caught. If they run they will only die old and tired. Im a Jew though, so I may be a little biased.
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Originally posted by mossada
All Nazis should be punished no matter how old they are when they are finally caught. If they run they will only die old and tired. Im a Jew though, so I may be a little biased.
Yes.. just a "little".
Almost like saying every jew should be shot because of whats happening and happened in Gaza.
Nazism back then was kind of like communism in russia.
You were either in or you were out.
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Originally posted by Tarmac
What did he do to deserve that? That's been proven?
He was a Ukranian Nazi in Poland during WW2, that's good enough for me.
In case you were unaware, Ukranians were brought in by the Nazis to do much of the heavy lifting (camp guards, etc.) for the eastern europe extermination machine.
Maybe this guy was just directing traffic, but I doubt it.
Shoot him.
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Originally posted by -MZ-
He was a Ukranian Nazi in Poland during WW2, that's good enough for me.
In case you were unaware, Ukranians were brought in by the Nazis to do much of the heavy lifting (camp guards, etc.) for the eastern europe extermination machine.
Maybe this guy was just directing traffic, but I doubt it.
Shoot him.
What an absolutely horrid post.
There is supposedly a difference between such men and ourselves.
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If he had nothing to hide, no heinous acts to run from, etc. then why did he lie when he entered the U.S.?
There were many former Nazi officials, members of the SS, etc. who emigrated to the U.S. after WW2. They were investigated a great deal more than other Germans (names compared to 'watch lists', more interviews conducted with associates and people from the region in Germany that the person was emigrating from, etc.) but in the end no small # of them were allowed to emigrate.
This guy lied and he lied for a reason. How long it has been does not matter. He lied to gain entry to the U.S., and now he has to leave. Sure, it's been 59 years. It's also been 59 years for a bunch of innocent people who spent those 59 years missing murdered Mothers, Fathers, Children, and other relations.
I know that plenty of people who had some punishment coming slipped through various political cracks (Emperor Hirohito, numerous Japanese military and government types, other Germans, etc.). That doesn't mean you let others 'off the hook' as well.
As for the 'all Nazis should be shot' - revise it to 'anyone found guilty of crimes against humanity should be punished accordingly'. The mayor of a town was a Nazi by default once Hitler took over. Nazi is a title. Murder is a voluntary act.
Mike/wulfie
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Originally posted by wulfie
revise it to 'anyone found guilty of crimes against humanity should be punished accordingly'.
Great words.. now, lets get Bush punished for his crimes against humanity.
Plus few american and british who were guilty of the crimes.
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He lied on his Visa. Need to revoke U.S. citizenships, and ship 'em out.