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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SunTracker on December 31, 2004, 01:43:35 PM
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What was the United States/Nato's defense against the USSR invading Europe?
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tactical nukes.
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And some troops to buy time.
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Trolling for TSSCI programs?...
Lets just say "IF" it would have happened "WE" would have won.
BTW I would have been 1st in Moscow after the smoldering was done.
Besides we did win the Cold War.
Been There, Done That!
Mac
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Skuzzy please lock this thread.
Thanx & Happy New Years
Mac
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Originally posted by SunTracker
What was the United States/Nato's defense against the USSR invading Europe?
Read Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising and you may get some tips....even if it is fiction.
All I know is what my unit was supposed to do.
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There was another book that was very good. I think it was called Team Yankee.
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Trolling? PLEASE.
Another thread piqued my interest when it talked about Nato doing an exercise called Archer Able in 1983.
I was looking for specific answers, not just "we nuke them, troops delay them".
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Actually one of the formed NATO commanders once said (and i dont remember the exact words sorry) that the plan was to
'fight with conventional forces until we are losing then fight with tactical nukes until we are losing then we blow up the world'
cheerful stuff.
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It was revealed a few weeks ago actually that all our fighters up north had standing orders to attack soviet air defences until they were all shot down. This was supposed to be done to make it easyer for american strategic bombers to get through. This was in the 50's and 60's.
This was to be followed by scorching Finnmark to leave nothing for the russians.
Chilling.
They would get slaughtered, but id does show what the overall defencive plan was.
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Yep what Nilsen said.
:D
Did RCN on DDR/CZ Border til Wall fell, then back to Asia.
:D
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Originally posted by AWMac
Yep what Nilsen said.
:D
Did RCN on DDR/CZ Border til Wall fell, then back to Asia.
:D
Who were you with?
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1/2 ACR out of Bindlach...outside of Bayreuth. FRG
Base camps were MarkT and Hof.
:aok
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Originally posted by AWMac
1/2 ACR out of Bindlach...outside of Bayreuth. FRG
:aok
Hehe, 2/2 Bamburg here.
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Originally posted by Monk
Hehe, 2/2 Bamburg here.
Hey Bro.... Been there B4.
:aok
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Been by Bindlach before. What did you guys call it the "Rock" or something? It's gone now. Closed after the cav left. Amberg too.
Bamberg still has troops.
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You are both army?
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S Troop 4/2 ACR Feucht
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Yep called it the "Rock". Was like doing Hard Time. Old Luftwaffe Airbase. You guys covered North of us on the DDR....
When were you there? Hell we may have talked to each other on radio before...
I was there '86 ~ '89.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
S Troop 4/2 ACR Feucht
Oh oh, choppers?
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Originally posted by Monk
Oh oh, choppers?
Yes. Wasn't there long. After the fun in the sandbox and the drawdown, ended up in Illesheim. After being in Stuttgart and Nuernberg, Illesheim is quite a letdown ;)
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Originally posted by AWMac
Yep called it the "Rock". Was like doing Hard Time. Old Luftwaffe Airbase. You guys covered North of us on the DDR....
When were you there? Hell we may have talked to each other on radio before...
I was there '86 ~ '89.
87-91, yup worked the border in the Hof area, from Coburg down to the trizonal point.
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Originally posted by Monk
Oh oh, choppers?
LMAO... I have a nice pic of a Hind D that you guys were screwing with..up REALLY REALLY close too...can see both in canopy... North of the TZP, Rehau Forrest... I'll have it scanned and post it later.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
You are both army?
yes both MARINES an Army. It's a Cavalry unit that we are talking about. Small world.
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Dammmm... I re-enlisted on the TZP...had my Mom there, American Apple Pie and the American Flag... Great Pic!!!!
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Great, in the winter we would have snowball fights with GAKS. Would mess with them, dog whistles at 3am.
Was it quiet on the CZ border?
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Originally posted by Monk
yes both MARINES an Army. It's a Cavalry unit that we are talking about. Small world.
Yeah, thats what i said......army :)
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Best Buddy of mine was there also...a Crew Chief in a AVN BN out of Frankfurt. Hell we had been stationed in the same places in Korea and Germany, then back to Korea... He flys in here also. Mutt01.
Were you Warrant or Enlisted?
Enlisted here was E6 then made E7 in FRG.
Mac.
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Originally posted by AWMac
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Skuzzy please lock this thread.
Thanx & Happy New Years
Mac
What the hell is wrong with you?
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Hey you were there in early May '87 when it snowed?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Yeah, thats what i said......army :)
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Originally posted by Monk
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;)
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Originally posted by hawker238
What the hell is wrong with you?
Scroll Dweeb.
Try reading the posts or call your Parents to help you comprehend them.
Mac
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Originally posted by AWMac
Hey you were there in early May '87 when it snowed?
Na, got there in Nov 87.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
;)
Don't wink at me buddy.:)
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I got there Dec '86 left Dec '89 straight to Korea.
Loved FRG for what I did see of it... spent most of the time looking at CZ/DDR. I still have pics of the Coburg Castle...nice.
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Originally posted by AWMac
Scroll Dweeb.
Try reading the posts or call your Parents to help you comprehend them.
Mac
I did read the posts and I'm pretty sure I comprehended them correctly. Are you mentally sound?
In any event, the cat in your avatar seems to be a pretty spot on representation.
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I'm still in Ger. I work at the Consulate in Frankfurt. We changed from Hof to Coburg later could have been in 89. I think you took over Hof. We would base out of a BGS training kaserne in Coburg.
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Originally posted by hawker238
I did read the posts and I'm pretty sure I comprehended them correctly. Are you mentally sound?
In any event, the cat in your avatar seems to be a pretty spot on representation.
Heh goes to show how old you are Son if you can't named the cat in the Avatar.
BTW I'm very mentally sound, but you seem to be missing a few cards. So go back to playing with Barbies and let the adults talk.
Mac
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AWMac, you are acting especially belligerent. Please dont post drunk in my threads.
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IIRC I think we moved base camps from MarkT to Hof in '88... Have you ever been to Bad Toltz? Nice place.
Hof was a BIG change from MarkT. Loved patrolling the Border Trace....LOL we lit up a CZ Base Camp in '87 on a OP in the middle of the night. Patrol Ldr had a Casiao Keyboard Player and had previously recorded a Russian Ballad... 2am Monday Morn he sets the speakers on the Jeep hood and sez "Watch this Chit" Hit's play... the whole freekin camp is on alert... poor bassturds.
:rofl
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Originally posted by SunTracker
AWMac, you are acting especially belligerent. Please dont post drunk in my threads.
Ohhh PaaaaLeez....
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Monk ya gotta send me some good Maisels Hefe Weissien...I'll pay all. Miss the really good beer.
I'll send you my email addy.
Mac
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Originally posted by AWMac
Monk ya gotta send me some good Maisels Hefe Weissien...I'll pay all. Miss the really good beer.
I'll send you my email addy.
Mac
Hehe, sure no problem.
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Originally posted by AWMac
IIRC I think we moved base camps from MarkT to Hof in '88... Have you ever been to Bad Toltz? Nice place.
Hof was a BIG change from MarkT. Loved patrolling the Border Trace....LOL we lit up a CZ Base Camp in '87 on a OP in the middle of the night. Patrol Ldr had a Casiao Keyboard Player and had previously recorded a Russian Ballad... 2am Monday Morn he sets the speakers on the Jeep hood and sez "Watch this Chit" Hit's play... the whole freekin camp is on alert... poor bassturds.
:rofl
Could have been 88, not sure.
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Monk, email on the way.
Later Bro, gotta go.
Mac
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Originally posted by hawker238
What the hell is wrong with you?
well AWMac often post some total BS, so he try to get thead locked before somebody discover it and point on it.
Just ask him, who won in Vieatnam or who restored order in Afghanistan and he will show you :D
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Originally posted by SunTracker
What was the United States/Nato's defense against the USSR invading Europe?
well fact is that USSR didnt have to invade europe.... UK agreed with USSR`s ocupation of all countries east of germany, even before USSR&Allied forces crushed Axis.
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psst....Cold War's over comrade...we won.
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Originally posted by AWMac
Heh goes to show how old you are Son if you can't named the cat in the Avatar.
BTW I'm very mentally sound, but you seem to be missing a few cards. So go back to playing with Barbies and let the adults talk.
Mac
Its Bill the cat from that cartoon with the penguin. Bloomsomething. Not important. What is important is how little you contribute to every thread you post in. I'm sick of reading your self-absorbed crap and watching you pat yourself on the back with smilies. Christ.
Anyways, I agree, Red Storm Rising was the best I've read on the scenario. I actually thought the F-19 "Ghostrider" or
"Frisbee" was an actual plane while reading it. Turns out he got the F-117 pretty much on the dot, if not for the physical description.
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Originally posted by Monk
There was another book that was very good. I think it was called Team Yankee.
That is a good book.
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Originally posted by hawker238
Turns out he got the F-117 pretty much on the dot, if not for the physical description.
And in the book it had sidewinders :)
This is one of only a handfull of books i have bothered to read more than once. (not counting educational books :D)
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If you liked "Red Storm Rising" you'll probably enjoy Larry Bond's "Red Phoenix". He's the coauthor of "Red Storm Rising". He's also the guy who gave us the game "Harpoon".
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Bloom County ruled!!
Bill the Cat for President!!
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Originally posted by CavPuke
If you liked "Red Storm Rising" you'll probably enjoy Larry Bond's "Red Phoenix". He's the coauthor of "Red Storm Rising". He's also the guy who gave us the game "Harpoon".
havent read it, but ill sure try to find it now.
thx :)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
And in the book it had sidewinders :)
This is one of only a handfull of books i have bothered to read more than once. (not counting educational books :D)
Ah yes, very true. Could the -117 be loaded out for a mission to destroy AWACS? I know its strictly a light bomber, but how would it fair against airborne/ground based radar in an interception reason? Purely hypothetical.
(I read it at least three times too!)
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Should not be impossible to modify it for that. Just maybe a HARM could take out an AWACS that did not se it comming or did any evasive action if it was fired at from the rear.
I dunno... pure speculation. I dont know if the HARM or sidewinder can be dropped out of a bombbay with a delayed engine egnition. Maybe there even is some kind weapons ramp in the bombbay of the 117 that drops down and out of the bay so that missiles can be fired that dos not have a delayed engine egnitoion type launch.
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War between NATO and warsaw pact forces would've started with nuclear strikes. It would not have culminated to it.
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What was the United States/Nato's defense against the USSR invading Europe?
Droping massive amounts of Vodka from C-130's...
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Originally posted by Otto
What was the United States/Nato's defense against the USSR invading Europe?
Droping massive amounts of Vodka from C-130's...
but the russians doesnt have any C-130's :confused:
;)
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Just from reading some stuff that I probably shouldn't have seen as a teenager my Dad's unit was assigned to the reinforcements that were scheduled to fly out of the US within 72 hours of a Soviet attack into West Germany. The areas that they were supposed to move into front line positions by that time were going to be located in the Belgium and French border regions. Supposedly the NATO forces were going to try and trade land for time until we could get enough men and material into Europe to make a difference. Also I have read ideas from the other side that Soviet tactics were sort of a beat at the wall till it broke sort of thing.
You they always say Soviet quality in hardware was inferior. I have long said that massive quantity has a quality all its own and if you can't stop enough of the other guys then you get beat no matter how bad their equipment was/is.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
And in the book it had sidewinders :)
Actually some sources say that the F-117 prototypes were tested with AIM-9...
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Maybe there even is some kind weapons ramp in the bombbay of the 117 that drops down and out of the bay
Yes, there is. I can't find a good picture of it online, but I got to stick my head up into the bomb bay once.
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Here we go. The racks extend downwards when the doors open.
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/f117/images/nhawk4.jpg
The white perforated panels are spoilers that help push the weapon away from the aircraft after release and reduce buffeting.
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Thats what i was talking about funked... thx :)
Do you know if it can be used for fiering missiles, or would it still burn the bowel of the plane?
Doesnt the B1 have some sort of "revlover thingy" that is lowered out of the bay?
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Originally posted by Suave
War between NATO and warsaw pact forces would've started with nuclear strikes. It would not have culminated to it.
ahha... propaganda is still alive ?
:D
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Originally posted by Otto
What was the United States/Nato's defense against the USSR invading Europe?
Droping massive amounts of Vodka from C-130's...
but the problem was, that some US`s dweeb ordered VODA instead of VODKA...
so we got only Water... man .. it were realy sad day for us :D