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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: navajoboy on January 01, 2005, 08:41:59 AM
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Last nite in MA about 30 - 50 knights all up in one corner at a20 going down to hmm I would say a21 (bish) and didn’t take the base or try to take it. On the other side of the map we had a few JBs and a few others trying to hold off the Rook horde.
I asked two questions that nobody answered, ”where are all the leaders of the squad??” and also “where are the leaders?”
Last week we had the big islands map and notice that the bish were the ones moving down the western coast with little resistance. I rounded up my squad and assigned them bases on which to take out barracks.
Now taking these two into an example… where are the squad leaders or just plain old leaders? I’m sure if the CO of a squad isn’t in the room then there is at least some sort of hierarchy system in place for the squad so the highest ranking member should make decisions.
So I'm wondering if anyone else has any concerns about this? Or should we just let 2 resets happen to us in any given day.
navajo
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If the map is reset then we just have more choices. I only worry when we get three resets in one day and the $100 penalty per player kicks in.
lazs
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some of us don't follow orders real well.... Especially in the MA.... Heck .. Some of us just don't follow well.....
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Yup, if people ain't in your squad than they probably just won't listen. More than likely you'll even get the following:
"Who made you king of the "
But that's the mentality in the MA anymore.
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I don't know about everybody else,But in the$$$ gruppe outlaws$$
(rooks forever,forever rooks) :aok we kinda vote on it,we let ChainguN think he's in charge:D
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cheap whine from a knit .... even w/ #'s you guys gotta whine ...
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Dude it was New Years Eve Relax. Also Most knights like to furball not take bases.
Crims
479th Raiders
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Not everyone playing has the same agenda. The incentive of 25 perks each category is not diddly to 90% of these guys (me included). For sure to the guys that carrie 25,000+ perks and really nothing to spend them on when ya get them.
And there is very few players that has the charisma to attract and lead the number of players needed to rail road the other countries. Those few players that can get the hordes stampeding seem to be lost as of late (nits, rook, bish all have people like this). I'm sure lots of you know what im talking about . Thinking of those missions that can roll with 30 , 40 , 50+ pilots working together taking base after base, and with even numbers of players in each country. It has not always taken planed missions to get numbers together, just that certain person with that charisma thing.
And having the number of fields captured from one country so they only have ,,ummm lets say 8 left and the other two countries have 25 and 26 , that also seems to motivate those people that had different agendas earlier and even those that dont need perks. lmao.. go figure :)
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There is a trick to it.
what you gotta do is plant a seed so that they will do what you want or what is needed and let them think it was their idea.
But in order for this to work you also have to show that you are willing to do what is needed also.
Be willing ot run GV suppplies once in a while to people that need them.
Or feild supplies.
Or troops
Change your own plans and dump your 0rd to go help someone in trouble. Or run and hit that base that someone else is warning about and announce that you got troops at X base but Y and Z bases still have them.
Announce incomming attacks you see no only by the base about to be hit but by providing such details as force composition,alt, and heading.
Knights have a bunch of people willing to help where its needed.
But like everyone they also like to know they can count on you to provide help as well.
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Originally posted by navajoboy
Last nite in MA about 30 - 50 knights all up in one corner at a20 going down to hmm I would say a21 (bish) and didn’t take the base or try to take it. On the other side of the map we had a few JBs and a few others trying to hold off the Rook horde.
I was there at 21 at the time the map reset and the Baltic map got loaded, the knits upped from A22 said they was going to take out the VH, and the ack and the Town..saw lot of Mossies, B26s amongst other planes..Kak3 was the firstgoon think Stone or Stoner was second goon, I was the 3rd goon..............by the time I got there ( my goon had 50% fuel ) the town was still up, I flew sw of the base behind a mtn til my fuel ran dry.......when I finally ditched and took off at A31 someone said town deown at A21 LOL.........
you see people start out thinking we going to capture this base we got the numbers hardly any resistence is up...by the time they get to the base they see maybe 3 or 4 low enemy icons and all drop ord to go chase the enemy icons now that the 30 or so are low and same alt as the 3 low enemy icons the enemy starts upping in mass for a little while it is bout even keel fight.......maybe 1 or 2 hvy fiters try to take buildings down at the town but rest are thirsty for a kill....3 goons end up of being no use because the attack planes insist on going for the kill trying to beat the other 29 guys to it......quiet freaking hilarious I must say........they all dive low leave the 2 or 3 bombers ( or formations) with out any cover so they get nailed by 163s or 262s or the uber climbing La7s etc........
then you have 30 people yelling on Local Range , noone reading the text buffer ( which is sometimes more important than the VOX channel) or even looking at the map.
at this point this is when the few that actually know how to get it done and know what to do say the hell with it and go have fun for them selves because the other gaggle got their heads stuck up where the sun isn't shining!
there is your answer navajoboy
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30 people yelling on Local Range
And they have to say everything twice.
And they have to say everything twice.
:rolleyes:
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I did forget to mention it was New Years Eve and probably most everyone was drinking :D
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YOU CAN RESET MAPS BY TAKING BASES???? Holy crap never knew that... On the other hand all I care about is winning the war against hording....
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Originally posted by Roscoroo
cheap whine from a knit .... even w/ #'s you guys gotta whine ...
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Why criticize Navajo for taking a stand and speaking his mind? Navajo is justified in asking "where are all the squad leaders at" during a crisis. Anarchy may be fun at times but when all you are doing is acting like a bunch of mad dogs (no offense Maddog) it gets frustrating watching your country fall apart. Maybe it is time for a coming together of the squads and squad leaders for some joint missions in the M.A..
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
Why criticize Navajo for taking a stand and speaking his mind? Navajo is justified in asking "where are all the squad leaders at" during a crisis. Anarchy may be fun at times but when all you are doing is acting like a bunch of mad dogs (no offense Maddog) it gets frustrating watching your country fall apart. Maybe it is time for a coming together of the squads and squad leaders for some joint missions in the M.A..
AMEN brotha!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Caught 2 :D
Can I have the hook back now .
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The next knight to whine about a horde or #s will get my sheep eating their face off. :mad:
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What's a reset?
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Which is easier: getting a dozen or more players to coordinate an attack on a base, or pork troops at 2 or 3 adjacent enemy bases?
The answer is obvious. The outcome is it's very hard to lead in the MA when the tools needed to accomplish the "objective" can be taken away by a couple of talentless dweebs who have mastered only the skill of killing stationary targets with quad-Hispanos.
To which some might respond: "Enough about porking barracks ... there are always carriers."
OK. Which is easier: getting a dozen or more players to work off a carrier and reduce a base/city with only the carrier-based planes to work with, or getting a couple of talentless dweebs to plow over to the carrier 3 or 4 times in B17 formations at 500 feet (or Me110's at 50 feet) to sink it?
Once again, it's hard to lead when the front line resources can be taken away so easily, quickly, and with so little skill required.
And one more example ... which is easier: getting a dozen players to coordinate a precision attack on a base, or wait until you outnumber one side by 50 or 60 planes and then overwhelm them with numbers?
The answer is again obvious, and no leadership is required whatsoever.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Which is easier: getting a dozen or more players to coordinate an attack on a base, or pork troops at 2 or 3 adjacent enemy bases?
The answer is obvious. The outcome is it's very hard to lead in the MA when the tools needed to accomplish the "objective" can be taken away by a couple of talentless dweebs who have mastered only the skill of killing stationary targets with quad-Hispanos.
To which some might respond: "Enough about porking barracks ... there are always carriers."
OK. Which is easier: getting a dozen or more players to work off a carrier and reduce a base/city with only the carrier-based planes to work with, or getting a couple of talentless dweebs to plow over to the carrier 3 or 4 times in B17 formations at 500 feet (or Me110's at 50 feet) to sink it?
Once again, it's hard to lead when the front line resources can be taken away so easily, quickly, and with so little skill required.
And one more example ... which is easier: getting a dozen players to coordinate a precision attack on a base, or wait until you outnumber one side by 50 or 60 planes and then overwhelm them with numbers?
The answer is again obvious, and no leadership is required whatsoever.
I'm beginning to understand your position...you DON"T LIKE THE GAMEPLAY, do you?
Well, I do, and so do many, many others. So go have a hairball somewhere, willya?
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Originally posted by rshubert
I'm beginning to understand your position...you DON"T LIKE THE GAMEPLAY, do you?
Well, I do, and so do many, many others. So go have a hairball somewhere, willya?
Pop corn is outta the microwave, Beck's is uncapped and poured into a fresh and chilled mug.
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Originally posted by rshubert
... So go have a hairball somewhere, willya?
Hey ... don't displace your feline fellating fantasies onto me.
It's not my fault if you get aroused when the Tender Vittles ads are on TV. It's not my fault if you post the centerfold from "Cat Fancy" up over your bed. It's not my fault if you have the timing of the "meows" in the "Meow Mix" jingle timed to your ... uh ... pleasure-giving hobby.
And if you can't control your ... urges ... could you at least not post on the BBS after you've been sniffing the litter box?
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Originally posted by navajoboy
Last nite in MA about 30 - 50 knights all up in one corner at a20 going down to hmm I would say a21 (bish) and didn’t take the base or try to take it. On the other side of the map we had a few JBs and a few others trying to hold off the Rook horde.
I asked two questions that nobody answered, ”where are all the leaders of the squad??” and also “where are the leaders?”
Last week we had the big islands map and notice that the bish were the ones moving down the western coast with little resistance. I rounded up my squad and assigned them bases on which to take out barracks.
Now taking these two into an example… where are the squad leaders or just plain old leaders? I’m sure if the CO of a squad isn’t in the room then there is at least some sort of hierarchy system in place for the squad so the highest ranking member should make decisions.
So I'm wondering if anyone else has any concerns about this? Or should we just let 2 resets happen to us in any given day.
navajo
Not all squadrons have a chain of command.
ack-ack
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We Nomads have a strict chain of command... whoever is too fast and ends up in front, leads the flight.
Otherwise, we change everything but our clothing :)
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Not all squadrons have a chain of command.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Not all squadrons have a chain of command.
ack-ack
As Del pointed out the Nomads follow the poor sucker who got out front by accident.
And while we have no chain of command, we don't mind yanking a few chains now and then :)
Dan/Rust
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People for the most part don't like being told what to do, that being said most people do wish to perform as part of a group, basic leadership skills whether from the military or business allow one to get a group moving together in one direction by suggestion.
Try asking everyone on country or field channel what they want to do - suggest one or two reasonable options - "What should we do next?" or "How about field 42, though 43 is closer" once the group ie two or three say "42" or "upping for 43 heavy" it flows from there - soon you have buffs coming along and people volunteering to fly the goon.
People like to work together if they feel they are achieving something it's easy to harness that social need with a little practice. People also like to help other people who they know or who have helped them.
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Originally posted by Schaden
People for the most part don't like being told what to do, that being said most people do wish to perform as part of a group, basic leadership skills whether from the military or business allow one to get a group moving together in one direction by suggestion.
Try asking everyone on country or field channel what they want to do - suggest one or two reasonable options - "What should we do next?" or "How about field 42, though 43 is closer" once the group ie two or three say "42" or "upping for 43 heavy" it flows from there - soon you have buffs coming along and people volunteering to fly the goon.
People like to work together if they feel they are achieving something it's easy to harness that social need with a little practice. People also like to help other people who they know or who have helped them.
give the man his prize.
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..........I am still the same pain in your arse 16 year old BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID-616fubar.......
In order to post on this board you should at least wait till your voice changes and your sack drops.
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Originally posted by FuBaR
The next knight to whine about a horde or #s will get my sheep eating their face off. :mad:
Look at bbqbob's post above!
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Rooks are genetically indisposed to leadership.
However I volunteer on one condition, as Rook Supreme Commander, (RSC) I get to open and close rook fields. Also before turning a Rook carrier, the commander must say, "If you please."
No wait, I have three demands:
1) the base opening thingy,
2) the CV turning thingy
3) When I say, "Tiger", everyone with enough perks must spawn a Tiger.
There, that ought to do it.
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shaden.... spoken like a true socialist.
lazs
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The sad thing is that the command aspect of the game is actually pretty fun. Ask anyone who was a leader in a scenario and they'll tell you. Command skills and A2A skills don't always co-exist in the same player either, so I'm sure a lot of players who are "under the radar" in the MA could really excel at coordinating things if there was a way to do so which made sense.
I just don't have any ideas at the moment on how the game could rank players on command ability. It can't be based on A2A score. And there'd need to be some way for leaders to provide incentive for others to follow 'em (and the high rank the leader, the more incentive perks - or whatever - they would have to dole out).
Dunno ... guess we wait and see what ToD brings.
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Wow
I take one night off as Knight Supreme Comander and the whole place goes to crap.
Dont worry. I will be back to tell the knights exactly what to do real soon.
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I make more perkies flying my way and having fun , than I do in trying to win a reset by doing something I don't like. Flying my way may help with a reset sometime. Who Knows.
Doesn't mean I won't help where I can...But I don't do bombs !!
Or , should I say 99% of the time I don't do bombs.
Winning the war means nothing to me. Thats just my personal outlook.
Shooting red planes down does.;)
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
wait till ....[...]...your sack drops.
Hate to disappoint you, but this happens usually right before/after birth.
As long as knights dont have to pay those $100, HAVE FUN!
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I am hoping that TOD will attract all the wanna be generals and that the MA will be fun again then.
lazs
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I am hoping that TOD will attract all the wanna be generals and that the MA will be fun again then.
I don't think that's how it works. Unless things have changed, the missions will already be set by the game software, the roles and targets specifically assigned and the players will just be following orders. In fact, I wouldn't expect TOD to appeal to the mass of MA players, either strat or furball. It will probably, IMO, grab some of the IL2 crowd, and those who would want a RPS, like role playing or who like scenario play. It may draw some of those heavily focused rank, but it will also likely limit the ability to "game" a higher rank. It will be interesting to see if TOD numbers rival the MA in the end, or replicate the numbers in the CT.
Charon
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can't see how it would attract the furballers.... But, anything could happen.
lazs
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can't see how it would attract the furballers.... But, anything could happen.
I don't think it will either. I seem to remember (maybe wrong) HT noting in an interview at some point in the past that TOD will attract a "different" type of player, by and large, than the one who exclusively enjoys the MA for furball or strat reasons. Not that there won't be some crossover. IMO it won't change the face of the MA one bit, for better or worse.
Charon
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It might not change the people in the ma but it may allow HT to change the way the ma works. If there is less reward for the horde it will go to the TOD. If the fields are closer and easier to capture say... there will be a lot more furball action and less gratification for the mouse weilding building battlers.
lazs