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Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: daddog on January 02, 2005, 12:24:58 AM

I have:
MB: L4VXA2
AMD XP 2400+
768 RAM
XP 2002 Service Pack 1
Now have a GeForce6600 GT 128 meg AGP
Driver Version 6.14.10.4523
Direct X 9a 5.300

I my old graphics card was:
a NVIDA GeForce4 Ti4400 128meg  AGP4X

My frame rates were 50's to 70's.

Now with the GeForce6600 they are in the 20's. Granted the jaggies are gone, but in a furball my frame rates are down in the teens. I have ran it at 1024x768 and at 1280x1024 and it is the same. Have played with the sliders (graphic details) but even that does not help much. Any other ideas?

Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: ebgb on January 02, 2005, 12:51:53 AM

Well yeah although your data seems in error.
The LV4XA2 is a Pentium 4 mainboard, yet you're using an AMD XP processor.  How can this be?  Here's a link to your mainboards website:  http://www.ecsusa.com/products/l4vxa2.html

Things to look for:  memory - is it clocked properly and are you running DDR400?   Re-install the latest Via Hyperion drivers as it may be your Gart driver is now fubar.  (That's the driver that tells your video card how to talk to your memory).

Surf over to Nvidia's website and find the uninstall instructions and follow them to the tee.  I believe they'll recommend a driver cleaner program that you can use.  Start all over from the beginning,  take out ALL the old then put in the new vid drivers followed by the Hyperion driver.

Look over your bios and make sure it's all up to snuff - that AGP8x is enabled, that sort of stuff.

In short - your videocard is starving for more memory bandwidth.

Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: 214thCavalier on January 02, 2005, 05:07:18 AM

Check your video drivers control panel.
If you say your jaggies are gone then obviously you are now running AA where before i guess you were not.
The drivers usually default to running AA i believe, but there are differing levels of AA.
Try either reducing the level or disabling it and try AH.

Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: daddog on January 02, 2005, 09:03:52 AM

Your right, it is a celeron. I mixed it up with another system.

I had uninstalled the old GeForce 4 drivers and then installed the new ones. Followed the directions in the manual carefully. Not over clocking here. I don't know if AGP8x is enabled... will have to figure that one out.

Cav I tried AA at 4x and AF at 8x but it made it worse. I then left it at application controlled. I see very "tiny" jaggies, but frame rates are still very low.

Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: ebgb on January 02, 2005, 09:34:15 AM

don't forget those Hyperion drivers

http://www.viaarena.com/downloads/drivers/4in1/VIA_Hyperion%204in1_v455vp1.zip

I also noticed your DirectX is not up to date.  Latest version is 9.0 version C

Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: zmeg on January 02, 2005, 09:42:33 AM

All G6 cards need DX9c.

Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: SunKing on January 02, 2005, 01:56:07 PM

Toggle your AA and AF settings to find the middle ground. You really don't want to turn them off. Games ( especially AH2 ) look terrible with the jagged edges. Next time you do a format try this installation order to insure everything goes right. You might try try AA 4X AF X2 , thats what I ran on my old low end system.

format
XP o/s
Sp2
Chipset drivers
DirectX
Soundcard Drivers
Videocard Drivers

Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: Hajo on January 07, 2005, 09:21:25 AM

Hyperion drivers (if using via chipsets) are a must for ATI Cards.

Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: daddog on January 07, 2005, 12:06:04 PM

Thanks for the help guys. Will try it out this weekend.

Should I "uninstall" the current drivers? Those Hyperion drivers are.. well small. Or do I install them on top of my current drivers?

Where can I download DX9c that is a stand alone self install? I want to grab it here at work and burn it to a CD.

Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: daddog on January 07, 2005, 12:07:09 PM

LOL
Found a redist of DX9c.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=9226A611-62FE-4F61-ABA1-914185249413&displaylang=en :)

Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: SunKing on January 07, 2005, 02:47:10 PM

If you are going to uninstall your current drivers you will need to remove them correctly. Use this program called "Driver Cleaner".

Located here (http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/).

When running simple delete the current drivers. Run Driver Cleaner choosing your current brand card. Reboot and load the new drivers.

Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: Rasker on January 11, 2005, 01:12:04 AM

when you set AA and AF in graphics to "application controlled", does what AH does depend on yer card etc?

Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: SunKing on January 11, 2005, 01:50:16 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Rasker
when you set AA and AF in graphics to "application controlled", does what AH does depend on yer card etc?

which means.. it doesn't do AA or AF settings at all.

Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: Rasker on January 11, 2005, 02:32:38 AM

i.e. default AH application setting for AA and AF, is "off"?

NM, came across post by Skuzzy that sez default settings for AA and AF for AH = "off"

Title: Frame rates worse with the new vid card
Post by: Tilt on January 11, 2005, 12:54:25 PM

set AA to 2 x quinqux............... turn the water effect off in AH

where do you load textures to? Vid mem/main mem/both?