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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Killjoy2 on January 03, 2005, 12:07:42 PM
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How many would like this feature?
The ability to land and pick up a downed pilot.
I think it would really bring back the fun. I know I would do whatever it takes to rescue a squaddie.
I would hit the silk even more than I already do if there was a chance of making it back.
Most important, it might move the game a little away from "arcade" and more towards "sim".
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Most important, it might move the game a little away from "arcade" and more towards "sim".
Yep it was realy common to go pick up downed pilots over enemy territory.
It has been sugested before. But I do not belive many people would want to wait around to be picked up. So even thow it would be a cool feture, It somthing that wouldn't be used very often, and hence not very high on the wish list items.
Now in TOD where deaths can have a big penalty, it might make sense to do.
HiTech
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True it didn't happen all that much, but "In Real Life" (IRL tm) there were other methods of recovery outside of Germany. In the South Pacific recovery was common.
If we are talking about what was really common, how about 95% of the buff flights below 2000 feet?
The BBS is a pretty fair representation of the AH crowd that is most concerned with the direction fo the sim. I'd like to know what they think.
1) Would you wait to be picked up?
2) Would you pick up a downed pilot?
Hitech, what a great job you've done. I've been playing since WB 1.64 (or there abouts). Remember when we used to land at 300 mph wheels up to capture a base?
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HiTech said ... Yep it was realy common to go pick up downed pilots over enemy territory.
You said ... If we are talking about what was really common, how about 95% of the buff flights below 2000 feet?
I think he WAS agreeing with you ...
but the amount of effort to make this happen does not justify the means. He believes (and so do I) that most people will not wait 5-10-15-20 minutes for some sort of recovery plane to come pick you up.
Now .. if I read him right, he is probably considering this for TOD, so when he gets around to coading this (how high is it on the priority list at this moment - only he can say), we might see it in the MA too.
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1. No, I don't think I would wait. The main reason being that your sitting there waiting for up to 10min and then see the guy who is coming to get you shot down right before he gets to you.
2. Yes I would pick someone up if they waited.
I'd say wait until TOD.
68Parker
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1) no.
2) depends on who it was ;)
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This goes along with being able to "field repair/Refuel" a plane...as for the time people would wait for a rescue or supplies.....Look to the spawn campers for the answer...they will wait for hours.
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Would be a great feature for TOD but I don't see myself worrying about it in the MA since I don't have a bail out key mapped. It just takes to long to get to the ground that way, I like the express elevator :D
If deaths meant something, as HT is hinting at for TOD, it would be a different story.
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wOOt!, er, I mean yeehar! HiTech said "TOD" ;)
As for the idea and using it in the MA? All I can ask is who would be doing the pickup? Do these types of people exist that would find it fun? I'm not sure even shed battling, pork'n'auger dorks would get into playing a "bus" service to players who got thier butt shot down.
Well.... (thinks about the last time I saw the MA demographics) ....then again perhaps there is a large segment of the population that would do it for "points".....
(fwiw, over in "another game" it is a royal, repeat, ROYAL! pita to get a tow or trucked anywhere. I just can't see players in AH finding any fun listening on the country channel to players screaming aloud that someone had better pick them up)
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YES THIS WOULD BE A COOL ADD ON
AND MAKING IN SO THE PILOT CAN USE HIS GUN
LET SAY TWO GUYS SHOOT EACH OTHER DOWN
WELL THE HAND TO HAND COULD START ONCE YOU GET TO THE GROUND
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The only way it would be worth it would be for the rescuer to get
lotsa points LOL.
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Originally posted by wombatt
The only way it would be worth it would be for the rescuer to get
lotsa points LOL.
And, of course, no one would ever exploit that. :rolleyes:
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So essentially you'd want to set it up so that a guy in a 51D could land and have the other pilot sit on his lap and fly out as was done by George Green picking up Pierce McKennon, and a couple other pilots?
Would you also have it where there would be the potential for ground troops to be shooting at them and for the field to be too soft to take off again as happened on a number of occasions?
Or are you talking about guys who ditch in the water having the potential to get picked up by a PT or a PBY?
Either way it's gotta be way way down the list of things to add to the game
Dan/Slack
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i think it would be fun.
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I want ammo for my 1911. :)
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anyone notice there has been a huge decline in chute shooting?
sort of similar topic, and i bet people getting picked up would bring that back into the game.
images of FDB's diving from 22k to get that chute about to land drift through my head.
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I shoot a sh00t no matter what. They all must die! SP13S!
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It would be good to shot down Furball then pick him up and torture him during ... 1 hour ?
(I try to not look greedy :D)
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Originally posted by Westy
wOOt!, er, I mean yeehar! HiTech said "TOD" ;)
As for the idea and using it in the MA? All I can ask is who would be doing the pickup? Do these types of people exist that would find it fun? I'm not sure even shed battling, pork'n'auger dorks would get into playing a "bus" service to players who got thier butt shot down.
Well.... (thinks about the last time I saw the MA demographics) ....then again perhaps there is a large segment of the population that would do it for "points".....
(fwiw, over in "another game" it is a royal, repeat, ROYAL! pita to get a tow or trucked anywhere. I just can't see players in AH finding any fun listening on the country channel to players screaming aloud that someone had better pick them up)
Yes there are folks who are team players. Especially for squadmates. I've run a goon with vehicle supplies out to folks on lots of occasions, usually under fire from enemy GVs and risk of enemy fighters, and it wasn't for POINTS or PERKS.
I see it like having a de-tracked Tiger. You don't expect anyone will bring you vehicle supplies, but when they do you are very grateful and will go out of your way when you can to help them in return. It would be the same for a 262 pilot, if he gets shot down but rescued and brought back, he gets a landed successfully and no loss of perk points.
The rescues don't have to be in enemy territory. Maybe they are a half sector out and you could pick them up in a M-3 or a C-47.
I can see rescue missions being thrown togther to get a downed squaddie. I can also see enemy fighters loitering around a downed pilot to thwart it.
It adds another new dimension to the game. I think it's a great idea.
Guess I'll never ask you to bring me Vehicle Supplies. And you can be sure I won't bring you any.
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I never thought of this.
Say you shoot down Shane and he lands in his chute. You shouldl be able to land your plane and get out to hunt him down and finish the job.
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This is a great idea. I think squadmates would use more than HiTech thinks.
g00b
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
I never thought of this.
Say you shoot down Shane and he lands in his chute. You shouldl be able to land your plane and get out to hunt him down and finish the job.
shane never bails out
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I like the idea. I saw an earlier thread where someone suggested allowing you to use a GV to pick someone up too.
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Actually, that does beg the point: who bails out anyway? Most people I see fly until they go boom or splat or both.
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1. Dan, I think it would be something like a C-47, you land next to the guy, he jumps in, you fly into the sunset.
2. I think it would be funny if you couldn't pick him up, but instead drop him a vehicle so he could drive his abandoned butt home. Say an unarmed M-3. =) You really want that ditch? Prove it by driving 3 sectors :D
3. Finally, I say implement it, I would circle a downed pilot for hours (or as long as I had fuel) waiting for his buddy to come pick him up, so they can both be waiting.... I like this idea of bait :aok
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
The BBS is a pretty fair representation of the AH crowd that is most concerned with the direction fo the sim. I'd like to know what they think.
1) Would you wait to be picked up?
2) Would you pick up a downed pilot?
If my pistol worked, I would wait around until I was either picked up or had run out of bullets. :D
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Originally posted by hitech
Yep it was realy common to go pick up downed pilots over enemy territory.
It has been sugested before. But I do not belive many people would want to wait around to be picked up. So even thow it would be a cool feture, It somthing that wouldn't be used very often, and hence not very high on the wish list items.
Now in TOD where deaths can have a big penalty, it might make sense to do.
HiTech
We did use rescue in two of the scenarios last year, but it was difficult to manage, since we had to do a lot of the work via communications with the CMs.
How 'bout this--add a "weapon" to the M3, M8, goon, etc. That weapon would "destroy" a chute nearby, and (through the magic of code) pick up the pilot. At least in scenarios, that would suffice for proof of rescue.
Just a suggestion, and I have no idea if it could actually be implemented.
shubie
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I remember one instance of a bearcat pilot landing to pick up a downed pilot in Viet Nam under enemy fire no less.
I see it as the ultimate badge of honor to pickup a pilot. But I would enable any plane to land and pickup. The picked up pilot get full perks and the pickerupper gets an equal amount.
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I remember one instance of a bearcat pilot landing to pick up a downed pilot in Viet Nam under enemy fire no less.
I see it as the ultimate badge of honor to pickup a pilot. But I would enable any plane to land and pickup. The picked up pilot get full perks and the pickerupper gets an equal amount.
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"Guess I'll never ask you to bring me Vehicle Supplies. And you can be sure I won't bring you any"
Damn right! Not only because you'll never see me in an MA environment again but I just don't call out for bus drivers to do things (I'm not one of those landgrab, shed battling generalZ) and it goes withouth saying that I certainly don't play as one in any game online anywhere either too.
"The picked up pilot get full perks and the pickerupper gets an equal amount."
lol..
oooooh.... pppoooooiiiinnnnntttssss....
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Hmm, kinda sounds like the "check 6" feature to me. Something for people to gripe about when you don't do it for them.
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Thinking of perks ...
What about a system where when you want to be pickup you give perks ?
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
How many would like this feature?
The ability to land and pick up a downed pilot.
I think it would really bring back the fun. I know I would do whatever it takes to rescue a squaddie.
I would hit the silk even more than I already do if there was a chance of making it back.
Most important, it might move the game a little away from "arcade" and more towards "sim".
Boy, capturing fields in the MA in Rookland (I'm a Rook) aren't funny enough. 20 guys vulching, 3 goons on standby, town doesn't get shot down, goons die.
Imagine if this watermelon was enacted. "Heya I'm on the ground running from tracer fire (Leviathan is strafing me with his Spit 5). Are you close enough yet? . Oh I see you. Check your 6 you have a Spit on you, oh, you're dead, thanks for trying. I'll just click on the tower button now".
I mean come on, give me a fuggin break!
Karaya
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Originally posted by Killjoy2
I remember one instance of a bearcat pilot landing to pick up a downed pilot in Viet Nam under enemy fire no less.
They used Bearcats in 'nam? I thought they only had A-1 Skyraiders as their piston engine attack aircraft. Learn something new everyday.
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Sounds good on paper. Would be fun (I'd do it) to pick up squaddies BUT my squaddies wouldn't bail or wait.
Also think of the scorepotatos / noobs screaming on range and typing on range / country channel "I'm 2 miles south of enemy base COME GET ME, COME GET ME!" Arggggg. :rolleyes:
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Hmm, kinda sounds like the "check 6" feature to me. Something for people to gripe about when you don't do it for them.
OMG. That alone clearly shows what a bad idea this is.
Charon
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Originally posted by straffo
It would be good to shot down Furball then pick him up and torture him during ... 1 hour ?
(I try to not look greedy :D)
ya big french meanie.
i think this is a classic case of the frenchman being jealous of the englishman's cunning, skill, wit and dashing good looks.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Imagine if this watermelon was enacted. "Heya I'm on the ground running from tracer fire (Leviathan is strafing me with his Spit 5).
That can't possibly be true. I never use tracers. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Furball
ya big french meanie.
i think this is a classic case of the frenchman being jealous of the englishman's cunning, skill, wit and dashing good looks.
to respect the tradition I'll cut your finger :D
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englishman's cunning
Hey !!! ... kids read this BBS ya know !!!
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I used to play a real-time version of Batteltech on a text-based mux back in the day. Very accurate to the board game, except real time instead of turn based. When your mech was destroyed, you had the option to eject. When you ejected, you were on foot, running for your life towards friendly lines, praying an enemy mechwarrior didn't decide it was time for a field execution. Now, those you didn't execute, and didn't make it back to friendly lines, you could capture. It immediately sent them to your base's brig. Once you returned from the field, unless somebody let them go, you could go BS with them a bit (everybody was pretty cool for the most part, like here), ask them about their equipment levels, etc, and then usually after an hour you'd release them, or they'd be auto-free'd by a timer in the cases where they logged off. I think the longest I ever spent in a brig was 20 minutes.
It was a pretty good system, and something similar may work with TOD. It gives incentive to flee on foot, gives something else from GV's to do, and would create interesting rescue situations if dying had stiff penalties.
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This could be fun, especially if we had planes like the Lysander, Storch, Sunderland, or Catalina to pick up downed pilots.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Imagine if this watermelon was enacted. "Heya I'm on the ground running from tracer fire (Leviathan is strafing me with his Spit 5). Are you close enough yet? . Oh I see you. Check your 6 you have a Spit on you, oh, you're dead, thanks for trying. I'll just click on the tower button now".
ROFL!!
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Nice thought, but OTOH doesn't make too much sense to do if you only have a 1 seat plane. ;-)
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Just for old times sake.....
Can someone tell me if the pistol in the old Warbirds pre-2.0? Could actualy damage an aircraft?
6-8 years ago, i think......
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Originally posted by brendo
Just for old times sake.....
Can someone tell me if the pistol in the old Warbirds pre-2.0? Could actualy damage an aircraft?
6-8 years ago, i think......
Yup, I plonked a chute-shooter once with the pistol in WB 1.11
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
That can't possibly be true. I never use tracers. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
It was for "effect", I think it got the point across. :p
<> bro.
Karaya
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No points no perks!
In real life it's a bottle of expensive whiskey. That should do fine here too.
Oh yeah, just to clarify, it's the rescued pilot(s) who buys.
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Originally posted by DoKGonZo
Actually, that does beg the point: who bails out anyway? Most people I see fly until they go boom or splat or both.
Heh. I should live long enough to bail:D