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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Chaos68 on January 03, 2005, 02:25:40 PM
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I'm really thinking of buying a '05 Mustang GT. I'm asking Ford people what they have heard of (good or bad) about the new mustang?
(http://www.fast-autos.net/ford/05mustang5.jpg)
I know some are not a Ford person but im from a Ford Family and my cars will always be Ford.
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I have'nt heard anything bad about them. Get the Jack Roush Edition!
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I'd never buy a first year production car.. from any manufacture... let them get the bug's out first. But other wise it's a nice looking pony!
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Nice car indeed..I can't wait for 2006/7 Cobra
Check out http://www.corral.net forums you'll find tons of info.
Factory wheels must go :)
(http://mustangworld.com/ourpics/News/select43/gfgstangs1.jpg)
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Originally posted by nuchpatrick
I'd never buy a first year production car.. from any manufacture... let them get the bug's out first. But other wise it's a nice looking pony!
I agree..!!
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Test drove one at the dealer I used to work for.
Nice car got plenty of get up and go and has lots of potential.
I think you get alot of bang for the buck.
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More pics (sorry i couldnt resist) :)
GFG orange
(http://www.mustangworld.com/ourpics/News/SEMA04/images/IMG_2443_JPG.jpg)
2005 Roush
(http://goroush.com/images/2005/05side.jpg)
2005 Saleen
http://www.saleen.com/car_rotation.htm
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Problem is by the time you spend the money on a roush you could have a Zo6 vett with 500hp normal aspirated.
Put a turbo or blower on it and :(
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The roush one looks like it has a tumorous lower lip... If I want a ricer I'll buy a used supra, sheesh. The regular stang looks more badass than the roush, which looks like a child's imitation of a ricer looking for a curb or speedbump with which to scrape off that monstrosity of a lower bumper tumor.
It's like it has braces. Bright shiny red braces underneath a swollen lower lip. It makes me want to start going lub dub myub carub hab a fatub lippub.
Take that crap off and it looks badass. There is a V6 2005 stang parked at the car dealer on base here, and it looks really nice. Retro enough to be different plus a bit of a modern edge without looking like some kid with too much fiberglass, ether (for sniffing) and time on his hands got ahold of it.
The Roush car... It looks like it should be on one of the ricer parody sites. The fast and the ford buffoons it again. The Fast and the Foolish. The Fast and the ohmygodwhatsthatonyourlowerli p?!?!?!?!
I'm really glad they didn't rice up the cobra... That would have just been too much to handle. I agree that the cobra wheels look a bit like miners pickaxes welded together. The GT looks really nice too and there's plenty of room for personalization in bodywork, wheels, etc.
And the GT finally performs well compared to it's "peers". Even though it really has nothing to compete against at the moment, it matches up very very well against the 1998-2003 firebirds and camaros for the first time in years. The cobra could potentially even eat a GTO for lunch, but that has yet to be proven.
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I hate those tires with the ultra skinny sidewalls. Pointless plastic molding doesn't appeal much to me, either.
J_A_B
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thanks guys im going to buy this car so no leasing for me. I cant wait for next years model so its going to be the 05.
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If i were you, i'd wait for 2006 model.
Blueovalnews reports today that Ford stopped shipping 4.6L GT engines due to problems with cylinder heads.
More info here:
http://www.blueovalnews.com/2005/advisory/engines.2005stopship03jan05.htm
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Back in Nov. I needed a new car and really liked the look of the retro stang. Went to the lot figuring they would have a nice selection....wrong.
The cars were supposed to be released back in Aug, but apparently the plant had bugs with the transmissions. At the time I looked they had 1 automatic on the lot....and the looks wasn't much to my appeal.
Test drove it, was nice for a V6 auto. Put it through the ringers and noted hesitation. Brought it back to the lot and never looked at it again. I don't need a new car with tranny probs.
Found a '03 stang with 11k miles on it...drove it...loved it....standard....bought it for just over 10k financed.
I too loved the look of the '05...but I'll wait and find an '06 in '07 when my car is paid off.
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I'd wait, check the history on any new car line and you'll see that the first year model had some quirks which were cleaned up in model year 2, 3, etc.
However, that's a pretty car...telling the brain to wait is one thing...logical doesnt always rule when it comes to a sharp car like that
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I test drove one just for kicks. And its a pretty sweet ride. Went on a back country road and the salesman let me open it up some. Its sounds pretty good. But I like my 69 better that I'm currently fixing up.
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I don't care for the looks or the sheer size of it. But the bang for the buck is there, and supposedly they handle great.
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You don't buy the Roush for the ground effects, you buy it for what they do under the hood.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Problem is by the time you spend the money on a roush you could have a Zo6 vett with 500hp normal aspirated.
Put a turbo or blower on it and :(
Depends on which Stage level Roush you get. $15,000 cheaper than a $50,000 Z06? I'll smoke that Z06 with $15,000 to put into a 2005 GT.
Karaya
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Originally posted by rpm
You don't buy the Rousch for the ground effects, you buy it for what they do under the hood.
You buy a Roush for both. Period.
Karaya
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Regardless of what you spend, the Vette will still be a sports car and the Mustang will be a pig with a hot motor.
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Furthermore, I wonder when the Mustang was compared to the GT? When in Chevy's history did they forget the Thunderbird? The Mustang's competiton was the Camaro? When did this change happen?
Karaya
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I remember totally embarassing an '85 Vette with my '83 Shelby Charger. A frikkin 4 banger SMOKED a Vette! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Furthermore, I wonder when the Mustang was compared to the GT? When in Chevy's history did they forget the Thunderbird? The Mustang's competiton was the Camaro? When did this change happen?
Karaya
When Chevy buried the Mulletmobile.
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Originally posted by rpm
I remember totally embarassing an '85 Vette with my '83 Shelby Charger. A frikkin 4 banger SMOKED a Vette! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Ah, I'm only 31 bro and my buddy in HS had an Omni GLH. You should know he was smoking Vette's.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Depends on which Stage level Roush you get. $15,000 cheaper than a $50,000 Z06? I'll smoke that Z06 with $15,000 to put into a 2005 GT.
Karaya
LOL not likely.
You are dealing simply with to much of a HP deficite on the mustang to begine with.
The vette 500HP stock add blower and you are looking at 650HP
The mustang 300 stock add blower 450HP
ZO6 is a 7.0 Liter engine
Mustang is a 4.6 Liter engine
Qubic inches most always wins do the math.
There are dudes out there with C-5 vettes that are doing 9sec quater miles.
Have yet to see a daily driver mustang doing that.
http://www.importevolution.com/videos/drm.wmv (http://www.importevolution.com/videos/drm.wmv)
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to me cars are moving art, i dont care if my everyday driver goes 13 seconds on the track because my car will never touch the track. Cars these days seem to be cut from the same mold. the old (90's-2004) mustang to me are not much to look at from the outside.
Im a classic car guy, i love classic cars i had 2 now i only have 1. To me the mustang has history behind it and now that they went for the retro look the new 2005 mustang cought my eye :aok
Im going to try and hold off and not buy the 05, im going to try and wait a year but if my car now pukes i have no choice.
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The cobra could potentially even eat a GTO for lunch, but that has yet to be proven.
actually eaglr, car and driver did a test between stock 05 mustang GT and the GTO. the stock stang won. granted, they went back and forth, GTO won here, stang won there but in the end, they picked the stang.
that was a stock GT not a cobra. im sure the cobra would smoke the GTO.
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Originally posted by wombatt
LOL not likely.
You are dealing simply with to much of a HP deficite on the mustang to begine with.
The vette 500HP stock add blower and you are looking at 650HP
The mustang 300 stock add blower 450HP
ZO6 is a 7.0 Liter engine
Mustang is a 4.6 Liter engine
Qubic inches most always wins do the math.
There are dudes out there with C-5 vettes that are doing 9sec quater miles.
Have yet to see a daily driver mustang doing that.
http://www.importevolution.com/videos/drm.wmv (http://www.importevolution.com/videos/drm.wmv)
If you say so, I tell you what. I obviously know more about cars than you. You seem to have this fascination with "HP". Read more and than post something worthwhile on here. I enjoy debating with "Chevy Guys". Keep trying though, this is fun for me. :aok
Karaya
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actually eaglr, car and driver did a test between stock 05 mustang GT and the GTO. the stock stang won. granted, they went back and forth, GTO won here, stang won there but in the end, they picked the stang.
Funny thing is this the 04 GTO beat the 04 Stang...the 05 stang beat the 04 GTO...the 05 GTO beats the 05 stang in every performance test they chose the stang due to its styling and thats all...have the article in front of me.
I own an 04 GTO, test drove new stang also comparing it to a stang is apples and oranges, the GTO has a much much more refined interior than the stang and I like the suspension more on the GTO. The GTO came with every option I can think of aside from navigation (I am a man i dont need directions). I liked both cars alot, but i went with the GTO I am one of the few people who actually like the body style, the engines rumble is awesome.
Hell i dont even like the 05 GTO with the added scoops and seperated exhaust.
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I appreciate what Rhys Millen has done with the GTO. He's brought it into the world of drifting and tuning.
Karaya
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I love mustangs but Roush, Saleen, Steeda all overpriced money pits.. Just get a 03 or newer cobra and be done with it. and you want can modify it later any way you want. Ever since 03 cobras came out, performace boost offered by those companies aint so appealing no more, its mostly cosmetic these days.
Now Z06 is one awsome car. Its light , its got 400hp of NA power (i hear NA 500HP for the new C6 Z06), no matter how much power mustang puts out or what kind of modifications it has, on the road track Z06 will run circles around any mustang. It handles VERY WELL. Tough nut to crack thats for sure.
If i had a choice between Roush Stage III/ Sallen 281 SC or the new C6, i'd take the new C6 coupe anyday.
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Originally posted by Callisto
Now Z06 is one awsome car. Its light , its got 400hp of NA power (i hear NA 500HP for the new C6 Z06), no matter how much power mustang puts out or what kind of modifications it has, on the road track Z06 will run circles around any mustang. It handles VERY WELL. Tough nut to crack thats for sure.
What some keep forgetting is it is the Indian and not the arrow.
Karaya
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My friend from college just bought a 2003 Roush 380R Stage III.. MAN that thing is fast.. :eek:
(http://www.classic-cars-worldwide.com/gallery/ford-04-mustang-roush-003.jpg)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
What some keep forgetting is it is the Indian and not the arrow.
Karaya
Amen Karaya
There IS a replacement for displacement.
Brother and i went a double mile one day for s and g's. (where you race a full mile one way, ****-hook and then go back)
I was out of my car, lit a smoke, and had time to point and laugh before he got back.
And that was a 340 Duster against a 440 GTX.
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narsus, im musta looked at the 04s, but the 05s arent that much different, <.5 second in all times. for the price and looks, ill take the stang over the gto. :(
and going back to his original statement, i would hardly consider those times "eating it for lunch", and we are only talking about the GT, the Cobra should eat the gto for lunch when released, should...but it is in fact yet to be seen.
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I remember totally embarassing an '85 Vette with my '83 Shelby Charger. A frikkin 4 banger SMOKED a Vette!
You didn't beat a 'vette. You beat a bad driver.
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Depends on which Stage level Roush you get. $15,000 cheaper than a $50,000 Z06? I'll smoke that Z06 with $15,000 to put into a 2005 GT.
*snicker*
You keep believing that if you want.. along with that you don't have a small peepee.
:D
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i own a drop top gt..love it..
but..I want the new drop top ...where are they!!!???
seen the o5 hard tops..but are the 05 drops not out yet?..
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Originally posted by Steve
You didn't beat a 'vette. You beat a bad driver.
Nope, it was'nt the driver in this case...it was the car. We were in the middle of nowhere, miles of straight open road and not a cop in sight. He was trying his best to keep up with me, but no way Jose.
I also beat several "hopped up" street rides with that car and ran an SCCA race with it at the old Texas World Speedway. It was a sweet car...until I cut down a 6" oak tree with it.:(
(http://www.badassperformance.com/sdac/10loucharger.jpg)
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My Dad has an '03 (or '04?) Z06... It's that neat electric blue color, 400hp. Faster than shxt. He's had it to some road tracks and it's scary fun. Not as refined as the magneto-hydrodynamic whatsit shocks on the anniversary model, but especially with the multimode traction control it gets the job done. He was a CHP pursuit driver (always assigned a mustang) for years so he knows how to drive fast, and the vette kept giving him exactly what he asked. He only looped it once or twice when he was experimenting with the stability control turned off, so after that he ran with it on because it was more fun and he had better lap times.
As for the mustang vs. GTO article, I read that one too. The '05 GTO beats the mustang GT in pretty much every performance test, but the GT looks cooler. Even back when the camaro and firebird were stomping the guts out of the mustang in the performance category, the mustang always sold better so most people will pick looks over performance. That's just the way it is, and mustang owners will always have to justify buying a slower car when the real reason is that mustangs are simply cooler looking cars to own and that means more than .1 second in the quarter mile or 3 mph in the slalom. I drove autocross for several years and NOBODY who wanted to win brought a mustang. If I recall correctly, not a single mustang placed in the top 10 in it's class (F-Stock) at nationals for several years running, regardless of what course layout was used or who the course designer was. In a sport where a well driven miata can challenge a camaro but a vette or talented RX-7 driver will stomp both of them, having the mustangs not even show up says a lot about how the cars perform stock.
I suppose the '05 model may change things since the car is on an entirely different platform, but a stock GT still isn't as fast as a stock GTO. A Mustang buyer simply isn't going to buy the stang just for the performance. There's always going to be something else, usually the fact that the mustang looks a hell of a lot better than the GTO and the vette is priced out of his budget. My Dad's aging Z06 is still worth over $40k used, and it will still beat almost any sub-$50k mustang in any performance measure you can think of, except maybe passenger and towing capacity. It won't win the "4 people and a u-haul" race unless it's a small u-haul and 4 very friendly people :)
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Even back when the camaro and firebird were stomping the guts out of the mustang in the performance category, the mustang always sold better so most people will pick looks over performance. That's just the way it is, and mustang owners will always have to justify buying a slower car when the real reason is that mustangs are simply cooler looking cars to own and that means more than .1 second in the quarter mile or 3 mph in the slalom.
Also Stang owners are not required to wear a mullet.
(http://www.mulletjunky.com/webimages/diagram.jpg)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
If you say so, I tell you what. I obviously know more about cars than you. You seem to have this fascination with "HP". Read more and than post something worthwhile on here. I enjoy debating with "Chevy Guys". Keep trying though, this is fun for me. :aok
Karaya
Perhaps you could explain to me what out of round taper and bore measurements would pertain to and how you would check it?
No offense but I was probably taking my first classes at Denver automotive and diesel college before you where born.
Oh and by the way the last few vehicles i have owned where fords including our new sport trac.
1999 ranger xlt
2000 F2504x4 lariat
2000 exploder
2003 Taurus for my mom
2003 focus ZX3 (great little car BTW)
2005 explorer sport trac adrenaline
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Heh... Until the mid '90s I was a "ford guy". In 1997, I started shopping for my first new car and the first place I looked was the ford dealer. I always wanted a mustang because my Dad drove them at work and the mustangs always seemed to win the bang/buck competitions the magazines held. Then I looked closer at the numbers and saw that the 5.0 mustangs just couldn't keep up with the LT1, the new 4.6 stangs were even worse, and even the 5.0 and 4.6 DOHC cobras couldn't keep up with the 1995-1997 camaros. When the LS1 made it's debut in the F-body and I read 2 articles that showed the LS1 camaro beating the 1998 cobra in every single performance category for $10k less, I put my money down on a 1998 trans-am (I couldn't stand the camaro fishmouth). It had nothing to do with GM vs. Ford, it had to do with performance comparisions, period. I'd driven both the camaro and mustang and I knew firsthand that the camaro was faster and handled better on the track. Since I was putting my money on performance and not on looks, the choice was easy.
On the one hand, I had a beautiful green cobra on the lot marked at $33k that the dealer promised I could have for $32k if I took dealer financing, or for $26k I could have a loaded trans-am that could take that cobra in any competition. Only an idiot would say I chose the TA because I'm a "GM guy"... It was simply a better car for less money, period. It wasn't until 2003 that a stock mustang could beat my car in a straight line and that was probably because my diff is shot from racing and the motor had 85k miles on it, and there still isn't a stock '04 or earlier mustang that can keep up with a camaro or TA on the autox circuit. I haven't seen any '05 stangs running autox, but I'm sure we'll start to see them as the LS1 camaros and firebirds start getting old.
But "ford vs. GM"... That's nonsense. Ford fanatics pull out the mullet and "GM guy" labels every time they're faced with the fact that they paid more money for a slower car. Now that Ford is finally putting out a car that is fast AND looks good, it'll eventually be the GM fanboi league that points the finger. But until recently, the F-body and vette couldn't be even remotely threatened (in stock or near-stock form) by the mustang.
Aftermarket mods... You get what you pay for and any car will go fast if you throw enough money at it, regardless of whether it's ford, GM, or porsche. It's just a bit easier at the beginning with some cars, but everything on the market today has cheap bolt-ons so even that's a level playing field dominated by whoever has the most cash to put into the project.
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I had a 95 Chevy Z-28 loved that car.
Took it to a local place here called LG motorsports.
Spent a crap load of money on it and raised the pucker facter by about 100 points.
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
i own a drop top gt..love it..
but..I want the new drop top ...where are they!!!???
seen the o5 hard tops..but are the 05 drops not out yet?..
Havent seen one yet... or at the dealerships... I heard they come out later in 05.
Type: V8
Displacement: 4601 cc
Horsepower: 300 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 315 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
Redline: 6250 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 5.2 sec
0-100 mph: 13.2 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.9 sec @ 104 mph
Skidpad: .85g
Top Speed: --- mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 116 ft
Slalom Speed: --.- mph
NOT TOO BAD for a stock GT.
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Originally posted by Steve
*snicker*
You keep believing that if you want.. along with that you don't have a small peepee.
:D
Snicker all you want. I enjoy people who think "more HP means my car is faster". What they really should be saying is "if I wasn't so stupid in believing that, I'd be more concentrated on TORQUE and GEARING." Again, I could smoke a Vette, with $15,000 to spend on a GT, Cobra whatever.
BTW, the 2007 Cobra is "quoted" as having 400hp. I know a lead engineer on the engine, he said "It will actually be in the 425-450hp range" when released. How expensive is the Vette again? Btw, I just care about the Torque.
Furthermore, the ONLY two vettes even worth mentioning are the Calloway Sledgehammer and the ZR-1. The Z06 would be in the rear view of both ALL DAY long.
Karaya
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"Even back when the camaro and firebird were stomping the guts out of the mustang in the performance category, the mustang always sold better so most people will pick looks over performance. That's just the way it is, and mustang owners will always have to justify buying a slower car when the real reason is that mustangs are simply cooler looking cars to own and that means more than .1 second in the quarter mile or 3 mph in the slalom."
Are we comparing the 289 vs. the 302? Elaborate on the "stomping of guts" portion please, you are killing me.
Let's look at FACTUAL 1968 numbers shall we?
Camaro
Engine CID Config. B/S in. Bhp@rpm Torque@rpm Comp.ratio Carb
Base 230 I-6 3.875x3.25 140@4400 220@1600 8.50:1 1V
L-22 250 I-6 3.875x3.53 155@4200 235@1600 8.50:1 1V
Z-28 302 V-8 4.002x3.005 290@5800 290@4200 11.0:1 4V
Base 327 V-8 4.001x3.25 210@4800 320@3200 8.75:1 2V
L-30 327 V-8 4.001x3.25 275@4800 355@3200 10.0:1 4V
L-48 350 V-8 4.00x3.48 295@4000 380@3200 10.25:1 4V
L-35 396 V-8 4.094x3.76 325@4800 410@3200 10.25:1 4V
L-34 396 V-8 4.094x3.76 350@5200 515@3400 10.25:1 4V
L-78 396 V-8 4.094x3.76 375@5600 415@3600 11.0:1 4V
*L-89 396 V-8 4.094x3.76 375@5600 415@3600 11.0:1 4V
Mustang
200 c.i. @ 115 h.p. w/8.8:1 compression with one barrel carburator.
289 c.i. @ 195 h.p. w/8.7:1 compression with two barrel carburator.
302 c.i. @ 210 h.p. w/9.0:1 compression with two barrel carburator.
302 c.i. @ 230 h.p. w/10.0:1 compression with four barrel carburator.
390 c.i. @ 325 h.p. w/10.5:1 compression with four barrel carburator.
427 c.i. @ 390 h.p. w/10.9:1 compression with four barrel carburator.
428 c.i. @ 335 h.p. w/10:5:1 compression with four barrel carburator.
Three body types available: 2 dr. hardtop, 2 dr. convertible and a 2 dr. fastback.
Only the GT models received the 390 c.i.
These are HARDLY "butt stomping" numbers.
Now take a seat in the back of the classroom.
Karaya
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Originally posted by eagl
The roush one looks like it has a tumorous lower lip... It's like it has braces. Bright shiny red braces underneath a swollen lower lip.
I suck at cars... so, whatever about all that.
But the comparing of a car's front to faces strikes me as a recent phenomenon. I don't know how many links I've followed from this BBS lately where the reviews went along the lines of: "... headlights turned downwards, the front looks angry..." or "... the effect is of a happy face, appealing to the women demographic."
Since then, I've looked at the newer cars and yeah, they're starting to look like they're trying to imitate faces.
This is perhaps the most gayest development in car making that I've ever seen. Buy a barbie or something.
Next thing ya know we'll hear "the rear looks firm, nicely rounded, warm, and inviting."
Where is this going?
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For those interested, the new performance 06' Corvette:
http://vorlon.case.edu/~aap8/gallery/c6z06spy/
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=984045
500HP, 3150 lb's. Cool.
What a sweet looking car, with the numbers to match. The new Stang looks ok, but lets be serious about performance comparisons. The two cars arent competing with each other. These Vette's are more in the supercar catagory, and at FAR less cost than the Porches etc. in their class.
The ZR1 Corvette was only faster than the Z06's at top end (notchback design hurt it). They dont handle as well and are not as quick. An amazing car for its time, as it should have been, for the price.
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Karaya, I was just poking ya buddy.
The new z0'6's are gonna be faster than the Zr1's IMHO.
Now the calloway.... that's another story.
I had a line on buying one a couple of years ago... came so close.
Wife even demurred..... just more cash than I could comfortbly spend on a car I would drive 3 or 4 times a month.
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third day I had mine intake leaked water into #5 cylinder causing it to hydrolic,force cracked the block and wiped out the rod,dealer claimed over tourqed intake bolts,I've been building custom cars and jeeps for 15 years,this is a first and definate last FOMOCO product for me. Icurrently hold track record at Cedarville in a pro-streeted 67 Nova with a stroked 400 ci sbc/th400/spooled narrowed 9 inch.Runs consistent 760's on a good day.leaves a horrific oil spill on a bad day.
VIC
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Vic are they using the composite intakes on them?
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yes
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Thats a really bad idea i think.
I have it on my 4.0 l sohc engine but it is a pretty tame engine .
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Originally posted by newguy
The ZR1 Corvette was only faster than the Z06's at top end (notchback design hurt it). They dont handle as well and are not as quick. An amazing car for its time, as it should have been, for the price.
WHAT? It would torch the Z06! I've witnessed it on a track here in Michigan.
Outside of the Porsche 959 (THE most advanced car in its time)
The ZR-1 is second on my list (and this is coming from a Ford guy)
Karaya
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Ok, torch it at what? I've seen the ZR-1 get beat on the drag and on autocross by C5 Z06's. As far as I know these cars were only mildly modded (exaust, intakes), so pretty close to stock. I havent driven a ZR-1, so I'm just going by what I have seen at our vette club races and read on the corvette forums. Dont get me wrong, I think the ZR-1 is great.