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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: TweetyBird on January 03, 2005, 11:31:22 PM
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A local television station ran a story that only 32 people died in commercial airline crashes last year compared to 42,000 that died in automobile accidents. It stated people were over 1000 times more likely to die in an automobile than a commercial plane. Can’t argue with that, but it implies commercial flight is 1000 times safer than automobile travel which is completely erroneous.
I have not researched any statistics, but am going from memory and doing some rough math. Yet it reveals a little deception on the safety of air travel. I would conservatively put the number of commercial air travel deaths at about 150 per year over the last 10 years. I would put the number of automobile fatalities liberally at about 50,000 per year over the last 10 years. I would put the number of air travelers in the US at about 1 million per day (and I think that’s liberal). I would put the number of automobile travelers at about 200 million ( and I think that’s conservative). I would put the average commercial flight at 3 hours (probably too long) and the average time in an automobile at about 45 minutes (probably too short).
So lets see how that shakes out. There are about .41 deaths per day in air travel (150/365). That’s .41 deaths per 3 million hours of commercial air travel, or about 1 death ever 7 million hours or air travel. There are about 137 deaths per day in automobile accidents (50,000/365). That’s 137 deaths per 150 million hours, or about 1 death every 1 million hours of road travel.
So yea, I guess air travel is safer than road travel – but 1000 times safer? Nah, maybe 7 times safer. Course if one omits the traffic accidents where the fatality is a drunk driver or the passenger of a drunk driver, air travel may only be 5 times as safe.
I quit smoking again - can you tell?…
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If you consider that airline pilots are not eating a barvarian cream donut, applying make-up and using one hand to talk on a cell phone while changing radio staions with the other and driving with their knees...yeah, I'd say it's 1000 times safer, if not more.
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tweety I just got off the zyban because it was killing my stomach and I wanted to drink for the hollidays. That, and I didn't set up properly for the "quit".
I was proud of myself for the fact that I got down to about 3-4 smokes a day but kicking those last 3 was harder than kicking the previous 20 while on zyban. Either way I'm gonna try again in febuary so good luck to ya.
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an interesting stat to play with might also be nicotine addiction compared to heroin addiction. The "experts" say smoking is more addictive mostly because more people are hooked on it. One would think that heroin is in fact a more "adictive" drug chemically than nicotine. Like I said might be fun to un-fudge them numbers.
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Professional and highly trained pilots fly commercial jets. Ordinary people drive cars. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare death rates between more similar groups? They need to include the number of non-commercial airplane fatalities into their total, or they need to measure the death rates for professional drivers only (e.g. truck drivers, limosine drivers, bus drivers, etc).
I'm guessing that doing so would change the findings somewhat.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
The "experts" say smoking is more addictive mostly because more people are hooked on it. One would think that heroin is in fact a more "adictive" drug chemically than nicotine. Like I said might be fun to un-fudge them numbers.
If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere... New Yawk, New Yawk.
Guaruntee you that very few of the "experts" have much practical experience in either field. I've been known to dabble in both. Quitting smoking is mind over matter. Quitting heroin is much like I imagine death to be. Nah... smokes are child's play (was 15 yr pack+ day smoker).
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Originally posted by rpm
If you consider that airline pilots are not eating a barvarian cream donut, applying make-up and using one hand to talk on a cell phone while changing radio staions with the other and driving with their knees..
How do you know that?
I can picture Toad applying some lipstick on landings quite easily...
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That's when the co-pilot goes to work. ;)
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is it still legal to drive and talk with a cell phone while holding it in the hand in the US?
i sure hope not. (ilegal here)
around a month after i got my driver licence i got in too a crossroads while holding and talking in the cell, i was so reckless i didnt look to my right and begun turning left. lucky my friend stoped me in time, cause a car went zooming pass us.
needless to say i no longer do it.
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Go here (http://www.kingschools.com/productDetail.asp?itemNo=OOC%20AVMRMCD)
and click on the "Is flying safe" section near the bottom.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
is it still legal to drive and talk with a cell phone while holding it in the hand in the US?
i sure hope not. (ilegal here)
Depends on the state. Texas is trying again to require a handsfree device or speakerphone while driving. There are 5 different bills in the works. Oddly enough, none would apply to law enforcement personnel. It's do as I say, not as I do.
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anyone interested in a MA QUIT SMOKING DAY?
might be interesting to do it with chums, then go beat the tar out of each other in the MA.
if so, im in.
smoking sucks. quit for three years once.
wtf was i thinking doing it again?
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tell me 'bout it
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
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an interesting stat to play with might also be nicotine addiction compared to heroin addiction. The "experts" say smoking is more addictive mostly because more people are hooked on it. One would think that heroin is in fact a more "adictive" drug chemically than nicotine. Like I said might be fun to un-fudge them numbers.
The most addictive substance on earth? Answer: caffiene.
Watched a study on this that stated in it`s purest form caffiene is a white powder and that if the facts had been known long ago it would have been illegal .
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All I can say is thank God for that little patch. I could've bit the heads off of nails 20 minutes ago. Now its managable...
Nice patch,...my preciousss... no stinksy hobbitses are gonna steal the patchsssssssssssssss.....
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I had my lip color tattooed on. Saves so much time.
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A toad with lips? I'd hit it.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Professional and highly trained pilots fly commercial jets. Ordinary people drive cars. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare death rates between more similar groups? They need to include the number of non-commercial airplane fatalities into their total, or they need to measure the death rates for professional drivers only (e.g. truck drivers, limosine drivers, bus drivers, etc).
I'm guessing that doing so would change the findings somewhat.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Well, I can help out with one statistic. Delivery drivers (specifically auto parts delivery drivers) average 2 tickets and one at-fault accident per year.
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Originally posted by Airhead
A toad with lips? I'd hit it.
The question is, "would the toad hit you"?
Brace yourself Air......... this may be hard on your ego....... probably not.
Unless, perchance, you look like this or at least very close to it:
(http://wywnh3.home.att.net/H/HeatherL/HeatherL4.jpg)
Better luck next time!
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
tweety I just got off the zyban because it was killing my stomach and I wanted to drink for the hollidays. That, and I didn't set up properly for the "quit".
Never really had stomach problems on Zyban. However, myself (and 2 others on it) got really bad about saying things unneccessarily harshly to people without realising it...almost to the point you'd think we'd had no internal monologue. Also had the most surreal, vivid dreams of my entire life. It did work like a champ though, 14 days into it, I quit smoking completely. Was happy until I ended up sitting @ a bar for a co-workers bday party with a bunch of chain smokers... was back up to a pack a day in 2 weeks.
Preparing myself for another 30 days of being a zyban zombie. Made a deal with the g/f to quit before Valentine's Day. Good luck with quitting Tweety & Guns ! Definately not easy.
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Originally posted by indy007
Never really had stomach problems on Zyban. However, myself (and 2 others on it) got really bad about saying things unneccessarily harshly to people without realising it...almost to the point you'd think we'd had no internal monologue. Also had the most surreal, vivid dreams of my entire life. It did work like a champ though, 14 days into it, I quit smoking completely. Was happy until I ended up sitting @ a bar for a co-workers bday party with a bunch of chain smokers... was back up to a pack a day in 2 weeks.
Preparing myself for another 30 days of being a zyban zombie. Made a deal with the g/f to quit before Valentine's Day. Good luck with quitting Tweety & Guns ! Definately not easy.
Get your Dr. to prescribe you Wellbutrin, sold as an antidepressant. It`s the same drug , just sold under different brand names. It`s nearly always sold cheaper than Zyban in most areas. :D
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Get your Dr. to prescribe you Wellbutrin, sold as an antidepressant. It`s the same drug , just sold under different brand names. It`s nearly always sold cheaper than Zyban in most areas. :D
Yeah it's same thing. I actually get perscribed Wellbutrin because my insurance covers neither. It's still $100 for a month perscription (45 pills, 1 a day for 15, 2 a day for 15), compared to the "name brand" Zyban prices.
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Zyban worked for me. It'll be 5 years in April.. on the 7th... at 9pm... naaa I don't miss smoking at all.
:cool:
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Your not even counting light plane crashes. They are probably only 2 or 3 times safer than cars.
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Originally posted by indy007
Yeah it's same thing. I actually get perscribed Wellbutrin because my insurance covers neither. It's still $100 for a month perscription (45 pills, 1 a day for 15, 2 a day for 15), compared to the "name brand" Zyban prices.
yea I had some cool and totaly whacked out dreams on zyban. I didn't really have a problem with talking to people I just yelled alot more. Not like I'm angry yelling or talking over somone yelling but yelling in a joking ordering around type yelling.
also, they had us take 1 a day for 3 days then 2 a day for there after. The stuff dried my mouth out like I was having cotton mouth flash backs.
The most addictive substance on earth? Answer: caffiene.
But here's the real meat of the question......WHY is it the most addictive? Is it because MORE people need it, OR is it because it IS in fact more physically, chemically addictive to the Human body. That's were I thaught it would be funny to play with the numbers a bit and see what sticks.
I know quitting some somtances can actually kill you if you don't taper off properly and even then it's quite painfull. heroin being one of those "chemically" addictive substances I would assume it is in fact MORE addictive than caffine/nicotine even though less people are addicted to it.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
yea I had some cool and totaly whacked out dreams on zyban. I didn't really have a problem with talking to people I just yelled alot more. Not like I'm angry yelling or talking over somone yelling but yelling in a joking ordering around type yelling.
also, they had us take 1 a day for 3 days then 2 a day for there after. The stuff dried my mouth out like I was having cotton mouth flash backs.
LOL I am on wellbutrin XL same this as Zyban
Yeah I have some weird dreams to.
Down to 2or 3 ciggs a day but those last 2-3 are tough.
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Originally posted by wombatt
LOL I am on wellbutrin XL same this as Zyban
Yeah I have some weird dreams to.
Down to 2or 3 ciggs a day but those last 2-3 are tough.
That is the exact same problem I had. Funny thing was is I changed my "habbits" IE no more smoking w/ Coffee. No Cig until 10AM and such but then I developed NEW habbits.
Best thing is take up some new hobbies or get ya a couple really good video games to occupy your mind and your hands for periods of time.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Professional and highly trained pilots fly commercial jets. Ordinary people drive cars. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare death rates between more similar groups? They need to include the number of non-commercial airplane fatalities into their total, or they need to measure the death rates for professional drivers only (e.g. truck drivers, limosine drivers, bus drivers, etc).
I'm guessing that doing so would change the findings somewhat.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Well, according to Flying magazine (they track this stuff), general aviation is less safe than driving, from a fatality per passenger-mile basis. Commercial aviation is safer.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I know quitting some somtances can actually kill you if you don't taper off properly and even then it's quite painfull. heroin being one of those "chemically" addictive substances I would assume it is in fact MORE addictive than caffine/nicotine even though less people are addicted to it.
I`d have to disagree. Heroin is less readily available or easily acquired to the average person and is shunned by society. Even if was was as readily available or more accepted though, I seriously doubt it would ever reach anywhere near matching the number of people who are addicted to caffiene.
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i am addicted to adrenaline (basicly i try any extreme sport i can)
nothing beats the rush you get when climbing a cliff unbelayed (sp?)
i only climbed un belayed twice in my life, one place in moab utah at the archers park.
and on some small island of the shore of turkey.
oh i allso do free diving (my record is 30meters)
i am not planning on quiting any time soon :)
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Originally posted by Jackal1
I`d have to disagree. Heroin is less readily available or easily acquired to the average person and is shunned by society. Even if was was as readily available or more accepted though, I seriously doubt it would ever reach anywhere near matching the number of people who are addicted to caffiene.
so your in the crowd of "if more people are addicted it is MORE addictive" I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that at all, but I beleive a substance such as heroin can "Adict" more people their first try chemically so to me that would seem to be more "addictive".
I'm not arguing here I just think it's interesting how people see things as bing more addictive than another. IE what is a good measure of addiction.....the amount of people it addicts, or the amount that an individual wants/needs it?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
IE what is a good measure of addiction.....the amount of people it addicts, or the amount that an individual wants/needs it?
Either scenario above would be caffiene , hands down.
I think maybe you are relating more to withdrawal or mortality instead of addiction. Apples and oranges.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Either scenario above would be caffiene , hands down.
I think maybe you are relating more to withdrawal or mortality instead of addiction. Apples and oranges.
true but if somone was a heroin addict that also liked coffee and could put the coffee down but not the heroin wouldnt that make heroin more addictive. I'm also thinking along the lines of Chemical addiction were the body NEEDs the drugs in order to function. I know coffee is addictive but I can do without it. I cant however go too long without a smoke before I start to get real edgy. Take them both away from me and I'm unbearable.
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Coffee/smokes as addictive as heroin? What world are you living in?
Yeah... I remember pawning my G5 for 80 bucks because I was jonesin' for a rich and full bodied Starbucks coffee. Yegads... there is no comparison. None, zip, zilch, nada.
By about the 2nd month clean from heroin, you finally start feeling something comparable to the 2nd day without smokes. Coffee? Come on...
The number of people drinking coffee (or smoking for that matter), as compared to the number of drug addicts, only has anything to do with their addictive qualities in as much as most intelligent people wouldn't get started with heroin because of its addictive qualities. Plus it's against the law. Plus it's expensive. Plus it's hard to get. Plus it's taboo. Plus it's far more unhealthy.
So that comparison is useless.
How long does it take to work up a gripping physical and psychological dependancy on coffee/smokes/heroin? And once that dependancy has nestled in, to what lengths - what absolutely mind-bendingly stupid extremes - will you go to in order to feed it?
Those are the pertinent questions if you want to compare the addictive qualities of various things.
YMMV - mine didn't.
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That's pretty much how I think nash, but I keep hearing all of these "statistics" and it makes me wonder about the numbers and the yardstick used.
Yes more people die from smoking every year BUT more people smoke than shoot heroin. More people drink coffee than smoke but less die as a result of it and more people can go without it.
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Originally posted by Nash
Coffee/smokes as addictive as heroin? What world are you living in?
Yeah... I remember pawning my G5 for 80 bucks because I was jonesin' for a rich and full bodied Starbucks coffee. Yegads... there is no comparison. None, zip, zilch, nada.
By about the 2nd month clean from heroin, you finally start feeling something comparable to the 2nd day without smokes. Coffee? Come on...
The number of people drinking coffee (or smoking for that matter), as compared to the number of drug addicts, only has anything to do with their addictive qualities in as much as most intelligent people wouldn't get started with heroin because of its addictive qualities. Plus it's against the law. Plus it's expensive. Plus it's hard to get. Plus it's taboo. Plus it's far more unhealthy.
So that comparison is useless.
How long does it take to work up a gripping physical and psychological dependancy on coffee/smokes/heroin? And once that dependancy has nestled in, to what lengths - what absolutely mind-bendingly stupid extremes - will you go to in order to feed it?
Those are the pertinent questions if you want to compare the addictive qualities of various things.
YMMV - mine didn't.
You also are comparing withdrawal to addiction. Not the same ballpark. Apples, oranges.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
You also are comparing withdrawal to addiction. Not the same ballpark. Apples, oranges.
well my friend lets compare apples to apples.....
what would somone jones for a coffee at 7:30AM do to go get one?
What would a crack head or heroin junky do at midnight if he hadnt got his fix all day.
THAT to me would be a measure of addiction. Plus isn't addiction also defined by what happens if you don't get it. The body does get Chemically addicted to things wich CAUSES withdrawls if it doesnt get it.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
You also are comparing withdrawal to addiction. Not the same ballpark. Apples, oranges.
Actually, he made a pretty clear case for the addiction part. How many people would sell everything they own to get a cup of coffee for a fix?
That's addiction.
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From Addiction Defined:
Global consumption has been estimated to be 120,000 tonnes per annum. This is the approximate equivalent of one caffeine-containing beverage per day for each of the planet's 5 billion plus inhabitants. So, caffeine is almost certainly the most widely consumed psycho-active substance in the world.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Actually, he made a pretty clear case for the addiction part. How many people would sell everything they own to get a cup of coffee for a fix?
That's addiction.
The point being is they don`t have to. It`s readily available to all.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
The point being is they don`t have to. It`s readily available to all.
Well, in our jails here in Phoenix, no coffee is allowed. Nobody freaks out or needs medical care because of it.
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I tell ya what Jackal.
In order for your argument to make sense...
Imagine Junkbucks on damn near every street corner... A grande fix sans the chocolate sprinkles... and notice the turn society takes.
Just because lotsa people drink coffee doesn't mean anything. Lotsa people drive cars too. Are they addictive? By your measuring stick, what isn't?
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Originally posted by NUKE
Well, in our jails here in Phoenix, no coffee is allowed. Nobody freaks out or needs medical care because of it.
Yea, that`s the withdrawal end of it.
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Originally posted by Nash
I tell ya what Jackal.
In order for your argument to make sense...
Imagine Junkbucks on damn near every street corner... A grande fix sans the chocolate sprinkles... and notice the turn society takes.
Just because lotsa people drink coffee doesn't mean anything. Lotsa people drive cars too. Are they addictive? By your measuring stick, what isn't?
I`ll tell ya what instead.
What you just posted makes absolutely no sense and has nothing to do with what we were discussing. :D
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Oh?
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I think nicotine is so bad because its usually a life long addiction with so many memories tied up in it. I've been a smoker for most of my life (33 of 46 years), and don't really know how to be a non smoker. I don't feel like me. But pain?? - blah - it aint bad. I've felt much worse, and where my thoughts may be be sluggish during withdrawal, I can do anything I normaly do. The physical withdrawal is nothing, and with all the alternative delivery forms (gum, patches, lozengers, inhalers etc.) its a cakewalk to wean oneself from nicotine. Now the psychological adiction is a biatch. I'm a smoker - always have been and always will be even if I aint smoking. I've smoked long enough so that if cancer is in the cards, quitting noww probably won't stop it. I'm quitting to try to prevent becomming a heart disease invalid. I'm getting to that age where heart disease is definite threat.
But boy I would LOVE a smoke right now...
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Originally posted by Jackal1
I`ll tell ya what instead.
What you just posted makes absolutely no sense and has nothing to do with what we were discussing. :D
but what you are saying doesnt make much sense either.
You are measuring addiction by amount of an item consumed
Addiction:
1. Compulsive physiological and psychological need for a habit-forming substance
2. The condition of being habitually or compulsively occupied with or or involved in something.
addict:
1 To cause to become physiologically or psychologically dependent on a habit-forming substance: The thief was addicted to cocaine.
2. To occupy (oneself) with or involve (oneself) in something habitually or compulsively: The child was addicted to video games.
that's strait from websters. To me it seems that withdrawl and addiction go hand in hand because one causes the other, and the other leads to the one. That's why they say addiction is a viscious circle.
"Compulsive physiological and psychological need for a habit-forming substance" That's withdrawl if I've ever heard it really. People go back to drugs because they 1. don't have the will power to stop 2. because they cant take the psycological effects of withdrawl 3. Because they cant take the PHYSICAL effects of withdrawl.
I really cant see how saying one thing is more addictive than another because more people use it is really accurate when logically one thing can be more addictive but not have many people addicted to it.
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A quick and dirty hypothetical.
Lets say Jackal is completely clean... a health freak.
Over the course of a week I feed him cigarettes, coffee and heroin.
Then I yank all of them, and ask him to choose.
If he chooses coffee, he will have to give up his hobbies.
If he chooses cigs, he will have to give up his job.
If he chooses heroin, he will have to give up his family.
The result is a no-brainer. He will choose heroin, and give up all three.
Practically a dead-to-rights given.... requires little imagination.
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Originally posted by rpm
If you consider that airline pilots are not eating a barvarian cream donut, applying make-up and using one hand to talk on a cell phone while changing radio staions with the other and driving with their knees...yeah, I'd say it's 1000 times safer, if not more.
I'd add that the death to accident ratio is much higher in aircraft than land vehicles so the probability of surviving an auto accident is much higher than an airline one. ;)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
but what you are saying doesnt make much sense either.
You are measuring addiction by amount of an item consumed
to the one. That's why they say addiction is a viscious circle.
"Compulsive physiological and psychological need for a habit-forming substance" That's withdrawl if I've ever heard it really.
I`m measuring addiction by the pure fact of addiction, not by consumption. That keeps trying to be put in my corner here and it is not.
------>"Compulsive physiological and psychological need for a habit-forming substance<------ That`s addiction, not withdrawal. Withdrawal is what is involved in the breaking of the addiction.
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Originally posted by Nash
A quick and dirty hypothetical.
Lets say Jackal is completely clean... a health freak.
Over the course of a week I feed him cigarettes, coffee and heroin.
Then I yank all of them, and ask him to choose.
If he chooses coffee, he will have to give up his hobbies.
If he chooses cigs, he will have to give up his job.
If he chooses heroin, he will have to give up his family.
The result is a no-brainer. He will choose heroin, and give up all three.
Practically a dead-to-rights given.... requires little imagination.
OK, let`s go with this and see how much sense it makes.
1." Lets say Jackal is completely clean... a health freak"
Fiction, pure and simple.:D
2."If he chooses coffee, he will have to give up his hobbies."
More fiction. Why? How would you relate drinking coffee to hobbies? I drink barrels of the stufff and have my hobbies.
3."If he chooses cigs, he will have to give up his job."
More fiction. Why would I have to give up a job to smoke? I`ve smoked acres of the stuff and never had it be an issue one way or the other.
3. "If he chooses heroin, he will have to give up his family."
This might be the closest you came to reality, although it`s still fiction. It would be more like the family giving up on the addict.
Point I am trying to make here is that you are not making any sense in terms of reality. I could come up with all sorts of ficticious scenarios, but it would not relate to what we are discussing here.
4."The result is a no-brainer. He will choose heroin, and give up all three."
More fiction.
5." Practically a dead-to-rights given.... requires little imagination."
I guess in your fiction story you could get the results to turn out any way you wish, but still would not relate to reality or what is being discussed in terms of the real world. It might not "require" any imagination, but I would say you have used a heaping helping of it in this case. :D
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Jackal, I think you misunderstood what Nash was saying. Those were the pricetags for each choice, not what the natural result would be. It's like paying $100,000 for a Lamborghini or $20,000 for a Chevy. I know that's a poor analogy, but that was his point.
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Exactly, rpm.
I mean duh... As if coffee drinkers have no hobbies and all the smokers are out of work. Jesious.
Jackal.... this is about the third response now from you saying that I aint talking about whatever it is you think is supposed to be the real issue here.... so do me a favour and clue me in on what that is. Mmmmkay?
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Originally posted by rpm
Jackal, I think you misunderstood what Nash was saying. Those were the pricetags for each choice, not what the natural result would be. It's like paying $100,000 for a Lamborghini or $20,000 for a Chevy. I know that's a poor analogy, but that was his point.
Yea, I know, but I don`t see where writing a fiction novel has anything to do with the real world or how it pertains here. I can come up with all sorts of fictional BS that pertains to nothing, but not really interested in that.
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Originally posted by Nash
Exactly, rpm.
I mean duh... As if coffee drinkers have no hobbies and all the smokers are out of work. Jesious.
Jackal.... this is about the third response now from you saying that I aint talking about whatever it is you think is supposed to be the real issue here.... so do me a favour and clue me in on what that is. Mmmmkay?
I think it might be a lost cause with you bud. You don`t seem to be able to keep a thought train on the track. You keep drifting off into Fantasy Land on the Happy Town ride. :D
I think I`ll just pay a little visit to Juan Valdez and have a smoke instead. :p
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You have no idea what yer tryin' to say, do you?
"What you just posted makes absolutely no sense and has nothing to do with what we were discussing."
"I guess in your fiction story you could get the results to turn out any way you wish, but still would not relate to reality or what is being discussed in terms of the real world."
" I can come up with all sorts of fictional BS that pertains to nothing, but not really interested in that."
"You keep drifting off into Fantasy Land on the Happy Town ride."
Yet not once have you tried to say why that is. You just toss those out there, and leave it at that... as if the point you're trying to make is somehow so self-evident.
But I call yer bluff. You're full of it.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
That's pretty much how I think nash, but I keep hearing all of these "statistics" and it makes me wonder about the numbers and the yardstick used.
Yes more people die from smoking every year BUT more people smoke than shoot heroin. More people drink coffee than smoke but less die as a result of it and more people can go without it.
A heck of a lot of people try smoking as it used to be "glamorized" by Hollywood. It was the "cool" thing to do. Narcotics use usually has been villified by Hollywood.
How many prostitutes do you think sell their bodies on account of their heroin addiction? How about nicotine?
How many of those steal from others for their heroin addiction?
How about for nicotine?
How about kill others for their respective addictions?
Nicotine addiction is tough, but one doesn't feel like they are going to die without it. Heroin does that, and all it takes in some cases is just one dose.
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Originally posted by Nash
Yet not once have you tried to say why that is. You just toss those out there, and leave it at that... as if the point you're trying to make is somehow so self-evident.
But I call yer bluff. You're full of it.
Let me use one of your more intelligent comments-----> Well Duh. That about sums it up.
It is self evident if you were to take the time to read the posts. I`m not paid to school you tard. Now carry on. Have a goodun.
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Jackal you will get no were arguing with Nash but u havnt responded to a single one of my answers.
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Nor mine.
I got a feeling that whatever point he might have been trying to make somewhere in this thread either got crushed, or, that he suddenly realized that his mysterio point didn't make any sense in the first place...
... and has been bamboozling us ever since by trying to pretend that there is some golden nugget of info buried somewhere deep in this thread that we were just too dense to find. Ten or so dodges inna row should tell ya something.
He sounds like one of these "experts" we were talking about earlier. But heck, what do I know... and who am I to try to bring my perspective to this. He obviously knows better.
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Nash, could you clean that up a a bit, copyright it and maybe sell the whole post?
I'd probably buy it just to use it the next time Beetle does the same.
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You guys just don't get it Toad and Nash. ;)
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Originally posted by Airhead
You guys just don't get it Toad and Nash. ;)
COD, I NEVER quote myself, but maybe I can explain the whole point of what has so obviously flown over your heads-
The ambiguity of the correctness of the path of knowledge of the thread was such that the thread metamorphised with reason. This caused said reason to deterorate into laciviousness on the particle of the principles, resulting in the comeuppance of Nash and the bathing of Toad in eternal salivaside.
Like a dog caught licking his balls we are rebuffed for only a moment before the unadultraded complexity of the participle causes Jackal to cease ball lathering long enough, and Nash to quit recopulating his thought with a post, and Toad- alas, poor Toad, who has permanent lip tattoos as part of his midlife crisis- to recombulate the ehherality of just where, in this whole wide world, we're coming from.
So, what have we learned? We're all Bozos on this bus, and the reason dogs lick their balls is because they can.
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Or just maybe....
(yeah, I went to go look for it.... guess I didn't believe it the first time around)
Jackal says: "Watched a study on this that stated in it`s purest form caffiene is a white powder and that if the facts had been known long ago it would have been illegal ."
Coockoo.
Maybe it's because he and only he recognizes the real dangers of this sinister white powder known as caffeine, that he's having a hard time accepting that people just don't get it.
Doesn't everyone know that white powder is bad?! Well... CAFFEINE IN ITS PUREST FORM IS A WHITE POWDER!
Maybe the teevee show that told him all this was really well done; drove the point home. Maybe there was a write-in quiz after the program, and he was mailed a certificate of expertisanship on the subject.
Caffeine, the most addictive substance on the face of the earth because it is a white powder and many people drink coffee. A+
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New studies indicate the most addictive substance is porn, according to researchers who are studying lab rats.
They set up two "reward" buttons that gave the lab rats the choice between food or a video monitor showing rodents fornicating....all the lab rats continously pushed the "Porn" reward button instead of the "food" reward button, especially when they changed the video to hot lesbian field mice. Finally the lab rats starved to death.
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Originally posted by Nash
Maybe the teevee show that told him all this was really well done
What TV show would that be? :D