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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on January 03, 2005, 11:47:27 PM
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My Brother-in-law bought a new '04 Dodge 4x4 1 ton friday. He traded in his '02 Chevy 4x4 1 ton that he had nothing but headaches with. The 502 got around 8mpg, transfer case had to be rebuilt, brakes lights quit when the turn signal switch got loose, ect. He wanted a new Duramax but could not get the dealership to work with him 1cent on the price. He had a "Western Hauler" bed on the Chevy and wanted to put in on the Dodge for work. This ment he had to come up with a bed for trade-in, so he found a pull-off for $500. It was the original bed that went to that truck the previous owner had in storage.
When we went to pick it up we found out the entire bed, with the exception of the innerliner and tailgate, was PLASTIC. I'm not talking about the dualwheel wells, I mean the entire side panels! Now this was, for all intents and purposes, a brand new bed that never had anything in it and was sitting on a concrete slab. The entire bottom had curled and cracked under it's own weight. The 2 of us were able to lift and load it by ourselves. By comparison we tried to pick up a Ford bed sitting next to it and there was no way we were going to lift it with just the 2 of us. It easily weighed twice as much as the Chevy bed, probably because it had OVER twice as much steel.
I've always had a low opinion of GM trucks, but this was enough to make my "Chevy or Die" B.I.L. admit they are overpriced crap.
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Dodge trucks suck even more due to their chitty transmissions. He went from bad to worse. Ford or Toyota trucks.
Karaya
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I still love my 1995 Chevy 1500 pickup, but it need rebuilt a little bit
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He had to get an '04 because the '05 6-speeds are backordered. I agree the Dodge trannys are weak, but trust me he would never buy a Ford (if they were the only truck on Earth) and the Toyotas are too light to stand up to the punishment of oilfield work. The Cummins was a big selling point as well. I hear Ford is getting the Cummins concession very soon and Dodge will be SOL.
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Originally posted by rpm
He had to get an '04 because the '05 6-speeds are backordered. I agree the Dodge trannys are weak, but trust me he would never buy a Ford (if they were the only truck on Earth) and the Toyotas are too light to stand up to the punishment of oilfield work. The Cummins was a big selling point as well. I hear Ford is getting the Cummins concession very soon and Dodge will be SOL.
A shame, I've Four-wheeled with tons of things at Silver Lake, Mi. Fords and Toyota's have stood up the best. I hope he shyed from the "Hemi". This engine is weak structurally. I take calls all day from the Ford Motor Company Dynamometer Building in Dearborn, Mi. DCX and Chevy lease out a test cell cell or two throughout the year. They refuse to accept the "Hemi". The thin-walled oil-pan cannot stand the heat abuse.
Karaya
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He went with the Cummins. He's a welder and does a lot of off road oilfield work (mud, ruts, ect) with a bed mounted welder and pulling a loaded trailer. The Toyotas are just physically too small to do the job. They also are WAY underpowered. He has a neighbor with a Tacoma and when trying to pull a loaded hay trailer thru a ditch got stuck. The Tacoma would not even break the wheels loose, it just sat there and grunted with the pedal to the floor.
I tried to talk him into buying a UD or Isuzu 2 1/2 ton, but he wanted a 1 ton dually so he could use it off work as well.
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Truck is spelled F O R D ;)
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Originally posted by rpm
He had to get an '04 because the '05 6-speeds are backordered. I agree the Dodge trannys are weak, but trust me he would never buy a Ford (if they were the only truck on Earth) and the Toyotas are too light to stand up to the punishment of oilfield work. The Cummins was a big selling point as well. I hear Ford is getting the Cummins concession very soon and Dodge will be SOL.
Ford actually own Cummings.
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Grun, you and I actually agree on something!
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GMC are a bettar built truck than Chevy, i have a GMC 1500 work truck, +300 000 kilometres on the original 5.7 litre engine and tranny, she'll still burn rubber, well sorta.
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Originally posted by Torque
GMC are a bettar built truck than Chevy, i have a GMC 1500 work truck, +300 000 kilometres on the original 5.7 litre engine and tranny, she'll still burn rubber, well sorta.
Umm, GMC and Chevy are built in the same plant. One line gets the GMC badge, one gets the Bowtie.
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hope your wrong. I just bought an 01 sierra 2500 HD crew with the 6 litre. I have always loved fords but this just seemed to drive better and fit my size better.
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uhm....no way mank, GMC has bettar Mo-Jo it's a fact!
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Originally posted by rpm
Umm, GMC and Chevy are built in the same plant. One line gets the GMC badge, one gets the Bowtie.
But GMC's are typically built more heavy duty.
Least they used to be.
Im going back about 10 years or so.
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I may be wrong so check you're trucks window sticker.
But I believe all Chevy and GMC light duty trucks and suv's are assembled in Arlington .TX
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Having both GMC and Chevy is utterly idiotic for GM, but hey thats GM. Thankfully they have been culling useless brands of late so there is hope yet...
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I was just about to say the same thing wombatt. They build them both in Arlington, Tx. It was part of the deal to keep the plant open after they stopped producing rear wheel drives cars there. There is no difference other than the badges. I can't say about the fleetside beds being steel or plastic, maybe Pongo can tell us, but I guarantee the dually beds are plastic. As far as Mojo...that's all in your head.
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"It was part of the deal to keep the plant open after they stopped producing rear wheel drives cars there."
Sadly, those cars you mention (late-model B-bodies) were probably the best cars GM has ever built, utterly superior to ANY sedans they're building a decade later. They stopped making them so they could build more "craptacular" trucks.
But then, discontinuing their best products and replacing them with inferior vehicles is a longstanding GM tradition.
J_A_B
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The mid 1990s Impala SS is the only one of the big dumb US cars I'd ever consider drving...
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There is a difference. The grills and headlights are ugly on the chevys. Thats why I got a GMC.
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Have an 85 chevy S10 out in the yard, it sucks. nothing bot problems. My car is a ford though, never had one bit of trouble with it.
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Trouble comes with all brands.
I have a small fleet of work trucks and have bought trucks for our shopping centers for 25 years....Chevy's have served us well and have outperformed Fords, especially under heavy work loads such as hauling sand spreaders and plowing snow.
Sounds like your brother in law got a bad one....I have two fords now and they have served their purpose....they require alot more maintenance than Chevy's, but they do have a better looking truck for sure.
Just bought an 05 2500HD for one of my guys....I'll get 100k miles out of it without any major problems I'm sure. Alot depends on the person driving it and how it's maintained.
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And I can tell you all makes brake down. I have towed literally hundreds of relatively new Dodge trucks in with blown transmissions. GMs have great drive trains, but all the lil stuff breaks like switch levers, door handles and things like that.
In my Ten years of towing I drove many different styles, makes and models of commercial grade trucks. BY far, and I mean VERY far, the hardest working, and most reliable, with fewest breakdowns was the UD which is made by Nissan. The turbo 6 cyl. motor has more power than any ford diesel I ever drove. The only truck I drove that had more power was a ford Triton V10, and when it was working that hard, it got like 4 MPG. Not to mention the life expectancy of gas engines Vs Diesel. The gas truck was purchased specifically for 1 type of tow, illegally parked cars in Mobile Estate Complexes, (needed to be very quiet).
I'm not very happy about the fact that I think Nissan makes a better commercial truck than the US, but it's true. Not many Dodge Tow trucks out there, thats got to be an indication of a weakness of some kind.
I'm going to keep my 76 fleetside 1/2 ton Chevy for ever! It was my first truck, and its a nice lil hotrod ;) it doesn't do much work except tow my lil 18' boat to the lake. And theres no way I would put my 22" Pirellis in any mud ;)
A_Clown
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When they start putting catapiller engines in light trucks then we will have something.
I will say the international that the ford runs is a good engine.
We had them in our Ambulances and we ran the crap out of them things day and night.
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I'm driving a 1993 Chevy 1500 work truck with a V-6. It has 230,000 miles and I still put 400 miles a week on it.
I've never been too fussy about maitnance. I try to change the oil 3 times a year... and it still has the original automatic tranny fluid...
Sometimes you just get a good one.