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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on January 04, 2005, 07:51:14 PM
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where's ANY middle eastern country on this list????? I think instead of complaining about stingy US donatations why hasnt the UN complained about stingy oil rich country's donations?
Lada care to comment on Iran's lack of donations?
EDIT: this is a day old and new news does in fact happen.
Raw Data: Pledges by Country
Tuesday, January 04, 2005
Governments and registered aid organizations have so far pledged more than $1.5 billion to aid victims of the Dec. 26 earthquake and tsunami. In addition, the World Bank and the Asian Bank of Development have pledged more than $500 million, bringing the total for relief and reconstruction aid to more than $2 billion, according to the United Nations. A look at major government pledges:
JAPAN — $500 million. population: 126 Million $4 per person
UNITED STATES — $350 million. pop. 295 million $1.18 per person
NORWAY — $183 million* 4.4 million $41.59 per person**
BRITAIN — $95 million. 58 million, $ 1.63 per person
SWEDEN — $75.5 million. 8.9 million $8.90 per person
SPAIN — $68 million. 40 million, $1.70 per person
FRANCE — $65.9 million. 60 million, $1.08 per person
CANADA — $65.5 million. 35 million, $1.87 per person
CHINA — $60 million. 1.2 billion, $0.04 per person
AUSTRALIA — $46.7 million. 19 million, $2.45 per person
GERMANY — $27 million. 82 million, $0.32
DENMARK — $21.6 million. 5.43 million, $ 0.25
FINLAND — $13.5 million. 5.2 million, $2.59
ITALY — $5.35 million. 58 million, $0.09
RUSSIA — Declined to release figure.
New Zealand - $4 million, 4 million, $1 per person
*I was really surprised to see this actually. WTG Norway. GScholtz your still a putz though.
**depending on exchange rates of course. We all know they pay $60 for a pizza
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http://www.beehive.govt.nz/ViewDocument.cfm?DocumentID=21942
and
http://www.stats.govt.nz/populationclock.htm
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Originally posted by Scherf
http://www.beehive.govt.nz/ViewDocument.cfm?DocumentID=21942
and
http://www.stats.govt.nz/populationclock.htm
not bad....even a dollar per person is pretty good.
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My thoughts exactly, mea culpa on this one, need to pull my finger out.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
where's ANY middle eastern country on this list????? I think instead of complaining about stingy US donatations why hasnt the UN complained about stingy oil rich country's donations?
Lada care to comment on Iran's lack of donations?
I'd like to know that also. Considering that isn't at least one of the countries that was devastated primarily Muslim?
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Question's a valid one I think. Anyway, went and did the right thing on the personal level - thanks for holding up the mirror Gunslinger.
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Edited it to reflect donations per person based on CIA population estimates July 2004.
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The vast majority of them probably have no idea there even WAS a tsunami... they are the most technologically backward culture on the planet after all. Probably take a while for word of mouth to get to em.
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Originally posted by Urchin
The vast majority of them probably have no idea there even WAS a tsunami... they are the most technologically backward culture on the planet after all. Probably take a while for word of mouth to get to em.
yet the arab news media virtually ensures they know the second a single hair might have been wrongly harmed on an arabs head by a westerner.
BTW these are GOVT. donations so far.....they're governments had better know what's going on in the world.
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Don't forget the hundreds of millions donated by individuals, either.
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LOL
To ask about who is giving what and making it a religon issue? Make it a Geographic issue instead. Wheres the money from the states of Africa or South America?
Mr Powell made it really clear that "this will show the world that we are able to help, even though they are Muslims".*not exactly quoted*
Sometimes you USA-people suprise me. You really look down at people because of their religon?
Sounds to me that the Iraq war must really have been a crusade after all.
I will not defend Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwite or any other countries not on the list. But add a couple of others as well, South Africa, Israel, Belgium, Luxemburg, Holland? And Italy, Denmark and Germany????? ......Whats the matter with you guys? Id be ashamed to be citizen in theese "stingy" countries,,,,really.
Then again, I do not think the list Gunslinger posted, is very accurate (as it is missing Belgium, Holland, Luxemburg, But I bet you thought thoose to be muslim countries, right?)
Crabofix
BOOOORK
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Originally posted by patrone
LOL
Mr Powell made it really clear that "this will show the world that we are able to help, even though they are Muslims".*not exactly quoted*
He didn't say anything like that. Grow up.
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They probably think Allah was smiting the infidels on the beachs and the residents deserved what they got.
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Haha, china .04
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Originally posted by NUKE
He didn't say anything like that. Grow up.
He sure as **** did.
Crabofix
BOOOOORK
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Originally posted by patrone
He sure as **** did.
Crabofix
BOOOOORK
then quote it exactly...fool. I know what he said and you do not.
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Originally posted by patrone
LOL
To ask about who is giving what and making it a religon issue? Make it a Geographic issue instead. Wheres the money from the states of Africa or South America?
Mr Powell made it really clear that "this will show the world that we are able to help, even though they are Muslims".*not exactly quoted*
Sometimes you USA-people suprise me. You really look down at people because of their religon?
Sounds to me that the Iraq war must really have been a crusade after all.
I will not defend Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwite or any other countries not on the list. But add a couple of others as well, South Africa, Israel, Belgium, Luxemburg, Holland? And Italy, Denmark and Germany????? ......Whats the matter with you guys? Id be ashamed to be citizen in theese "stingy" countries,,,,really.
Then again, I do not think the list Gunslinger posted, is very accurate (as it is missing Belgium, Holland, Luxemburg, But I bet you thought thoose to be muslim countries, right?)
Crabofix
BOOOORK
1. You sir are the first on in this thread to bring up religion. It was IN FACT a reginal question and not a religious one.
2. I got my list from the evil network fox news so beleive it or not. They probably got it from the AP. I post what I saw and only added the coutnrys population and donation per person by population.
3. In addition if you have info that I don't about a country I did not list I will be more than happy to add it. If you'll take not I did in fact add new zealand.
I've very proud of all the money these countrys have donated from their treasurys. What I dont understad, wich is the outlying reason for this post, is the fact that I've heard of what an evil country I live in for the last two years when we've done so much for the world. Oil rich countrys who make trillions of dollars a year can't seem to make a list when the minimum is $6 million
a measly 6 million....that's like pocket change to some of these countrys and you have the gall to bring up what you think is a religious crusade?????????
I've had to listen to a Snobby UN bash my country for not giving enough? I simply ask why the double standard.....were's the middle east??????
Make it a Geographic issue instead.
READ THE FRICKIN TITLE N00B!!!!!
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Now you had to make me do research, NUKE
Exact quote:
"I think it does give to the Muslim world and the rest of the world an opportunity to see American generosity, American values in action,"
Crabofix
boork
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Originally posted by patrone
He sure as **** did.
Crabofix
BOOOOORK
Show me????????
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What rpm said....
I heard one report of a middle eastern cleric claimed it was the wrath of allah and they deserved it.
Heard another report of a middle eastern news media blaming it on Israeli and US testing nukes in the area.
Let's face it, the US will keep giving and the Middle East will keep spinning Amreeka is the Satan.
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Longer list here:
http://dkreiss.blogspot.com/
Bottom of page, not sure of sources. Not my table, so don't ask me.
In case link doesn't work:
Government aid -- Population -- Per head Aid -- Per capita GNI
Qatar $10 000 000 -- 743 000 -- $13,46 -- N/A
Sweden $75 500 000 -- 8 996 000 -- $8,39 -- $25,970
Monaco $133 000 -- 33 000 $4,03 N/A
Japan $500 000 000 -- 127 635 000 $3,92 $34,010
Norway $16 600 000 -- 4 590 000 $3,62 $38,730
Denmark $18 100 000 -- 5 403 000 $3,35 $30,260
Switzerland$21 900 000 -- 7 404 000 $2,96 $36,170
Australia $46 700 000 -- 20 125 000 $2,32 $19,530
Spain $68 000 000 -- 42 525 000 $1,60 $14,580
U.K. $95 000 000 -- 59 675 000 $1,59 $25,510
United States$350 000 000 -- 293 633 000 $1,19 $35,400
Portugal $11 000 000 -- 10 466 000 $1,05 $10,720
Canada $33 000 000 -- 31 892 000 $1,03 $22,390
France $57 000 000 -- 60 033 000 $0,95 $22,240
New Zealand$3 500 000 -- 4 071 000 $0,86 N/A
Singapore $3 600 000 -- 4 199 000 $0,86 $20,690
Kuwait $2 000 000 -- 2 493 000 $0,80 $16,340
Finland $3 300 000 -- 5 222 000 $0,63 $23,890
Luxembourg$265 000 -- 453 000 $0,58 $43,940
United Arab Emirates $2 000 000 -- 4 193 000 $0,48 $9,076
Saudi Arabia$10 000 000 -- 25 131 000 $0,40 $8,530
Ireland $1 400 000 -- 4 057 000 $0,35 $23,030
Germany $27 000 000 -- 82 558 000 $0,33 $22,740
Czech Republic $750 000 -- 10 201 000 $0,07 $5,480
China $60 000 000 -- 1 300 060 000 $0,05 $960
Hungary $411 000 -- 10 077 000 $0,04 $6,330
Greece $397 000 -- 11 000 000 $0,04 $11,660
Estonia $42 000 -- 1 349 000 $0,03 $4,190
Italy $1 300 000 -- 57 816 000 $0,02 $19,080
Turkey $1 250 000 -- 71 300 000 $0,02 $2,490
South Korea$600 000 -- 48 331 981 $0,01 $9,930
Iran $627 000 -- 67 433 000 $0,01 $1,720
Nepal $100 000 -- 24 746 000 $0,00 $230
Mexico $100 000 -- 106 204 000 $0,00 $5,920
World Bank $250 000 000
European Commission $45 000 000
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To ask about who is giving what and making it a religon issue? Make it a Geographic issue instead. Wheres the money from the states of Africa or South America?
maybe you should chang your name to AlJazera.......
BTW if Africa or south america were rich nations I'd include them.
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Originally posted by Goth
What rpm said....
I heard one report of a middle eastern cleric claimed it was the wrath of allah and they deserved it.
Using that clerics logic, the muslims that died deserved it.....and by far most that died were muslim.
Is'nt it ironic that mostly muslims died? I heard the same thing and wondered what kind of moron could say that and not realise that this tragedy hit a region mostly muslim?
It's like when they scream that "ALLAh WIILING" l.......and they NEVER prevail, so Allah was abviously not on there side...using their own logic.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
where's ANY middle eastern country on this list?????
Of course not, but that isn't the Middle Easts fault. It probably has more to do with the list being BS.
"Saudi triples aid for victims of Asian tsunamis
Tue Jan 4, 3:37 PM ET
RIYADH (AFP) - Saudi Arabia announced that it was increasing its aid to victims of the Asian tsunami disaster to 30 million dollars and would organize a telethon to raise more funds."
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1514&u=/afp/20050104/wl_mideast_afp/asiaquakeaidsaudi&printer=1
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No Goth.
I don´t think that 872 underground nuclearbomb testings in the Pacific only by USA, might have anything at all to do with earthquakes or the inviroment in general. ....I Know
Crabofix
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Of course not, but that isn't the Middle Easts fault. It probably has more to do with the list being BS.
"Saudi triples aid for victims of Asian tsunamis
Tue Jan 4, 3:37 PM ET
RIYADH (AFP) - Saudi Arabia announced that it was increasing its aid to victims of the Asian tsunami disaster to 30 million dollars and would organize a telethon to raise more funds."
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1514&u=/afp/20050104/wl_mideast_afp/asiaquakeaidsaudi&printer=1
or that this story hit the AP after the list was made
Tue Jan 4, 3:37 PM ET
WTG saudi dirka dirka mohamad jihad
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Originally posted by patrone
No Goth.
I don´t think that 872 underground nuclearbomb testings in the Pacific only by USA, might have anything at all to do with earthquakes or the inviroment in general. ....I Know
Crabofix
Official moron. You are a moron. Moron status has been attained by you.
How many people here are surprised?
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"Andhra Pradesh
Iran sends aid for tsunami victims
By Our Staff Reporter
HYDERABAD, DEC. 27. The Iran Government has sent $1.2 million worth food items to the victims of the tsunami in the country, the Consulate General of Islamic Republic of Iran in India, Hossein Ravesh, said here on Monday.
"The relief, including clothes, water cooling kits and blankets will be handed over to the Indian Red Cross Society shortly by the Red Crescent of the Islamic Republic of Iran," he said.
Expressing deep shock at the loss of lives and the havoc wrought by the tidal wave, he offered his heart-felt condolences to members of the bereaved families, on behalf of the Iranian people.
The Shree Swaminarayan Gurukul Trust has appealed to people to come to the rescue of tsunami victims by donating money, rice, what, oil, clothes and blankets."
http://www.hindu.com/2004/12/28/stories/2004122814540500.htm
"Iran sends emergency aid to Tsunami victims
Jan 1, 2005, 13:55
Iranian mission in Indonesia announced that first Iranian aid cargo is to be sent to the quake-hit area in Indonesia.
The contingent contains tents, foodstuff, clothes and medicines weighting 41,000 tons.
Iranian diplomat in Jakarta said more relief aid got on the way into the quake-hit area.
On Thursday, Iran has sent an aid cargo to Thailand weighting 23 tons."
http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_5216.shtml
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No Mr NUKE, You are a Moron and only a Moron like you would think that the Nukes blown in Pacific has nothing to do with any changes in inviroment.
By the way, I was just answering Goth, off topic, really.
WTG Thrawn, you also found that the list gunslinger posted was BS.
Talk about troll
Crabofix
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"Qatar has pledged to send an additional $10 million to help victims in Asia, the Qatar Charitable Society (QCS) announced on Monday.
The QCS said 40 aircrafts would take off from Doha airport to carry supplies to Indonesia, Thailand, Sri Lanka, and the Maldives islands."
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B9DF3081-740E-4C7C-99CA-A1AC4D179196.htm
"Lada care to comment on Iran's lack of donations?"
I would rather know how the foot tastes. ;)
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Originally posted by patrone
No Mr NUKE, You are a Moron and only a Moron like you would think that the Nukes blown in Pacific has nothing to do with any changes in inviroment.
By the way, I was just answering Goth, off topic, really.
WTG Thrawn, you also found that the list gunslinger posted was BS.
Talk about troll
Crabofix
What about all the soviet, french, chinese, pakistani, indian nukes? You are a simple minded fool.
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Originally posted by patrone
No Goth.
I don´t think that 872 underground nuclearbomb testings in the Pacific only by USA, might have anything at all to do with earthquakes or the inviroment in general. ....I Know
Crabofix
The aliens have a secret underwater city where they test all kinds of things.
If fact they got ahold of some of Jacques Cousteau's DNA and brought him back to life.
He was piloting a rather large experimental submarine when it ran aground in 40.000 ft of water.
Only the evil ameerikans know of this secret base the aliens
bribe us with Dolly Parton clones in the basement of the white house to keep there secret.
Shhhhhh:aok
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By default, these kinds of lists are a pissing contest. And that contest is: "Which is/are the most generous nation/nations?"
On it's face you could look at such lists and say "The US is not a generous nation." You would do so because you might say "The US is a wealthy nation, when compared to the rest - it could/should be doing more."
But the wealth of a nation hardly rests solely with what the government can muster. Because the wealth of a nation refelects the wealth of its citizens. Afterall, the government's money is really only the money paid to it by its citizens.
So if you want to measure the generousity of a nation, then looking solely at what its government forks out is looking at only a fraction of the picture. What are the private donations? I'm sure the private donations made on behalf of the US' citizens dwarfs any other country. By miles.
Don't point at stats like "country x = $1.24 per citizen"... because that aint the whole truth here.
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Originally posted by patrone
No Mr NUKE, You are a Moron and only a Moron like you would think that the Nukes blown in Pacific has nothing to do with any changes in inviroment.
By the way, I was just answering Goth, off topic, really.
WTG Thrawn, you also found that the list gunslinger posted was BS.
Talk about troll
Crabofix
Oh...that's right...tectonic plates never shifted before nukes were exploded....this has all been caused by us...I'm so ashamed, how can I ever look in the mirror?
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I only have the US figures (872 underground tests in the pacific, 1098 in total) and might recall 95 Nukes blown by France, but it might be more.
Russia didnt use the pacific for their tests. the other tests are marginal, compared tho the USA´s testing.
Still ALL tests sure must have some kind of effect on the inviroment. What they will finelly be, maybe our children will find out?
Crabofix
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Originally posted by patrone
WTG Thrawn, you also found that the list gunslinger posted was BS.
Talk about troll
Crabofix
really I see about 10 countrys on there that the information is innacurate.
1. being an article in this thread saying that the Saudi Govt pledged 30 million. SO I guess his list is BS as well?
Troll, Usually I don't thank people for this information they post in a troll.
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This is where we have been keeping Jacques cloned body....
Seekret (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6786984/)
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Originally posted by Goth
Oh...that's right...tectonic plates never shifted before nukes were exploded....this has all been caused by us...I'm so ashamed, how can I ever look in the mirror?
So you would nt even admit it might have helped at least a little to change the inviroment?
Crabofix
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Originally posted by Nash
By default, these kinds of lists are a pissing contest. And that contest is: "Which is/are the most generous nation/nations?"
On it's face you could look at such lists and say "The US is not a generous nation." You would do so because you might say "The US is a wealthy nation, when compared to the rest - it could/should be doing more."
But the wealth of a nation hardly rests solely with what the government can muster. Because the wealth of a nation refelects the wealth of its citizens. Afterall, the government's money is really only the money paid to it by its citizens.
So if you want to measure the generousity of a nation, then looking solely at what its government forks out is looking at only a fraction of the picture. What are the private donations? I'm sure the private donations made on behalf of the US' citizens dwarfs any other country. By miles.
Don't point at stats like "country x = $1.24 per citizen"... because that aint the whole truth here.
really and truely I was just congradulating those that were on the list and wondering were everyone else was. I'll take any oppertunity to poke lada andGScholtz.
Patrone just wants to stir the pot here by first blaming religion and then blaiming the US for nuke testing.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Shhhhhh:aok
Mr Black, go and play with your "Guitar playing sniper doll, jim"
Crabofix
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Patrone just wants to stir the pot here by first blaming religion and then blaiming the US for nuke testing.
You are wrong, Gunslinger, I was really questioning your list and the Bait on your troll. Mr Goth said that people in the middle east was blaming the USA for testing NUKES in the area, I just had to add that it might really be true.
Crabofix
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Originally posted by Goth
This is where we have been keeping Jacques cloned body....
Seekret (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6786984/)
Shhhhhh.
It's a secret.
Ok let me please state the obvious here.
Don't you think that the plates would have shifted sometime closer to the times of the test?
And not decades later.
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Originally posted by patrone
You are wrong, Gunslinger, I was really questioning your list and the Bait on your troll. Mr Goth said that people in the middle east was blaming the USA for testing NUKES in the area, I just had to add that it might really be true.
Crabofix
no you were accusing the US of starting a crusade! That is a troll. My list was asking were the middle east was more specifically were oil rich countrys with out references to religion.
then you came in with a stupid comment about geographics. If this was a troll i would:
1. Not have add new zealand (that's keeping it honest)
2. Not have responded to your post
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My comment, Gunslinger, was on mr Powells statement on "Showing Muslim world".
And as your list was so "lacking" with the Headline:"Wheres the middle east???" Poking Iran who suffered, not to long ago, from a hughe earthquake causing 30 000+ dead.
The comments that would come from your fellowed rednecked friends was pretty obviuose.
With other words: A Troll.
Crabofix
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Its easy to blame Iran.
And its also very easy to promise vast amounts of money and just to "forget" to pay the money - like many so called civilized countries have done in the case of Afghanistan for example.
Iran has always helped others in many cases in its history.
With all regimes we had.
We have allowed MILLIONS of refugees of Iraq and Afghanistan to enter iranian territories and live there.
During the terror of the Taliban-regime, when no one in the world cared about these fanatics Iran was supporting the factions who fought against them and helped 3 millions afghan refugees in Iran.
Many of them now returned to Afghanistan and live in the afghan Herat province.
Same on the iraqi border when mad dog Saddam butchered the kurds and shiites after Gulf War 1.
Maybe Iran has not promised as much money for the asian countries as other nations.
But Iran itself has to care for the tenthousands people of the iranian city of Bam, which was destroyed in the earthquake just one year before.
To blame Iran is ridiculous.
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Who blamed Iran??
I was poking at Lada! Seriously poor Iran they are so poor yet they build reactors and continue to refine nuke material.
PLEEASSEE!!! I might be blind but I didnt see Kuwait on that list? Rich saudi arabias contribution WAS pathetic at best....they've since raised it.
The truth of the matter is you guys just want to bash the USA.....same as the idiotic comment by that UN guy. Were was his outcry for the sauds or the kuwaitis or other rich oil barons?
u guys can defend the middle east all you want but truth be told without oil they'd be just another bass ackwords desert that America would be sending food aid too.
Some of the oldest civilizations came from there and some of those countrys are sitting on black gold mines yet they are so underdeveloped.
. <------zoom way in and you'll see the worlds smallest violin playing my heart bleeds for you.
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Then again, I do not think the list Gunslinger posted, is very accurate (as it is missing Belgium, Holland, Luxemburg, But I bet you thought thoose to be muslim countries, right?)
Hey, whatyagot against Benelux? :mad:
Belgium is not far from becomming muslim, heh
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Sorry Gunny, but you asked for it.
Originally posted by Gunslinger
Who blamed Iran??
You inferred that Iran hadn't donated anything. You inferred that most, if not all Middle East countries hadn't donated. They had.
I was poking at Lada! Seriously poor Iran they are so poor yet they build reactors and continue to refine nuke material.[/QUOTE]
Well not surprising that they are developing Nukes. They are scared bigtime of an US invasion. Before we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, Bush labeled Iran as part of the "Axis of Evil." Once Iran has Nukes, we won't invade them. That is their thinking. We've given them nothing to think otherwise.
PLEEASSEE!!! I might be blind but I didnt see Kuwait on that list? Rich saudi arabias contribution WAS pathetic at best....they've since raised it.[/QUOTE]
So Saudi Arabia is on your "good" list now?
The truth of the matter is you guys just want to bash the USA.....same as the idiotic comment by that UN guy. Were was his outcry for the sauds or the kuwaitis or other rich oil barons?[/QUOTE]
BTW, who here is bashing the US's present aid to the tsunami victims? Who here is bashing the US for aid given to any cause?
LOL, why cry about those countries? The US is the most wealthiest, most powerful nation on earth. EVERYONE should be concerned with what the US does, good and bad as there may be direct/indirect influences to everyone.
u guys can defend the middle east all you want but truth be told without oil they'd be just another bass ackwords desert that America would be sending food aid too.[/QUOTE]
Have you seen the modern cities and towns of "those" countries? Pretty modern if you ask me. I personally know someone that comes from Syria. He and his family are Christian. They don't fear for their lives.
How are those countries so "backwards?" If we're talking about intolerance, we only have to go back some 40 years or so to see how "backwards" we were as a nation.
Some of the oldest civilizations came from there and some of those countrys are sitting on black gold mines yet they are so underdeveloped.[/QUOTE]
How so?
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Why develope the country when you can just exploit what is under it?
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I think alot of us are over looking the main thing here!
And that is getting help to these people.
it dont make a rats butt who sends the most just as long as the job gets done!!!!!!!!!!!
I have got to say this even though I know it will piss alot of you off but here goes.
Good God people what a bunch of ninny's we gave more than you did neener neener!!! now come on how silly is that.
And do any of us really have any clue how much any country has TRULY given? Both the government and private sector.
And dont forget that there are members of this board who are missing loved ones over there and I can just imagine what they must be thinking of there fellow gamers right about now.
And here is another thing how much if any did you personally donate?
It ain't no bodies beez wax people!!!!!
Some of us are having a hard time right after the holidays and some of us ain't.
And I am no fan boy of the Muslims but they are still human freekin beings and something of this magnitude is something that I would hope would draw the world closer together and not farther apart by some jerks comments from the UN.
Ya know do what ya can for these people and if ya cant afford any money then send out a prayer and if ya dont believe in God then at least wish them well and good luck as they need it.
OK I'm done and sorry If I offended anyone but this has gone beyond silly.
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U.N. official slams U.S. as 'stingy' over aid
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
The Bush administration yesterday pledged $15 million to Asian nations hit by a tsunami that has killed more than 22,500 people, although the United Nations' humanitarian-aid chief called the donation "stingy."
"The United States, at the president's direction, will be a leading partner in one of the most significant relief, rescue and recovery challenges that the world has ever known," said White House deputy press secretary Trent Duffy.
But U.N. Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs Jan Egeland suggested that the United States and other Western nations were being "stingy" with relief funds, saying there would be more available if taxes were raised.
Entire article:
http://www.washtimes.com/national/2...22330-7268r.htm
THIS IS WHY I POSTED THIS. I'm sick and tired of the double standard in this world. I could honestly give a watermelon who gives what to whomever the aid is gonna get there and these people are going to get taken care of.
But when this blatent crap comes from what's supposed to be a representative of the WORLD BODY it erks me to say the least and I wonder were the outrage is at the oil rich countrys.
You guys can jump on the Hate America band wagon all you want. I saw a list from the AP that was current as of this afternoon and it angered me that there wasnt ONE middle eastern country on there. I dont even recall seeing an ARAB country. Somone pointed out a new list and I was greatfull to them. then there was patron who turns this into a hate America must be a religious crusade bit who said one of the dumbest things I've ever read in this forum. I can only be so polite.
PS.....Chuck sorry sir I dont feel like arguing but did want to give your reply its just deserve. Welcome back, hope your DHS confinment wasnt too bad.;)
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Originally posted by Scherf
Longer list here:
http://dkreiss.blogspot.com/
Bottom of page, not sure of sources. Not my table, so don't ask me.
In case link doesn't work:
Government aid -- Population -- Per head Aid -- Per capita GNI
Qatar $10 000 000 -- 743 000 -- $13,46 -- N/A
Sweden $75 500 000 -- 8 996 000 -- $8,39 -- $25,970
Monaco $133 000 -- 33 000 $4,03 N/A
Japan $500 000 000 -- 127 635 000 $3,92 $34,010
Norway $16 600 000 -- 4 590 000 $3,62 $38,730
Denmark $18 100 000 -- 5 403 000 $3,35 $30,260
Switzerland$21 900 000 -- 7 404 000 $2,96 $36,170
Australia $46 700 000 -- 20 125 000 $2,32 $19,530
Spain $68 000 000 -- 42 525 000 $1,60 $14,580
U.K. $95 000 000 -- 59 675 000 $1,59 $25,510
United States$350 000 000 -- 293 633 000 $1,19 $35,400
Portugal $11 000 000 -- 10 466 000 $1,05 $10,720
Canada $33 000 000 -- 31 892 000 $1,03 $22,390
France $57 000 000 -- 60 033 000 $0,95 $22,240
New Zealand$3 500 000 -- 4 071 000 $0,86 N/A
Singapore $3 600 000 -- 4 199 000 $0,86 $20,690
Kuwait $2 000 000 -- 2 493 000 $0,80 $16,340
Finland $3 300 000 -- 5 222 000 $0,63 $23,890
Luxembourg$265 000 -- 453 000 $0,58 $43,940
United Arab Emirates $2 000 000 -- 4 193 000 $0,48 $9,076
Saudi Arabia$10 000 000 -- 25 131 000 $0,40 $8,530
Ireland $1 400 000 -- 4 057 000 $0,35 $23,030
Germany $27 000 000 -- 82 558 000 $0,33 $22,740
Czech Republic $750 000 -- 10 201 000 $0,07 $5,480
China $60 000 000 -- 1 300 060 000 $0,05 $960
Hungary $411 000 -- 10 077 000 $0,04 $6,330
Greece $397 000 -- 11 000 000 $0,04 $11,660
Estonia $42 000 -- 1 349 000 $0,03 $4,190
Italy $1 300 000 -- 57 816 000 $0,02 $19,080
Turkey $1 250 000 -- 71 300 000 $0,02 $2,490
South Korea$600 000 -- 48 331 981 $0,01 $9,930
Iran $627 000 -- 67 433 000 $0,01 $1,720
Nepal $100 000 -- 24 746 000 $0,00 $230
Mexico $100 000 -- 106 204 000 $0,00 $5,920
World Bank $250 000 000
European Commission $45 000 000
This list is old.
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That BS article has already been debunked here in another thread, Gunslinger.
That's what ya get for taking the Washington Times seriously....
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Originally posted by Nilsen
This list is old.
ha ha nilsen said my list was better than yours so there ;)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
ha ha nilsen said my list was better than yours so there ;)
hehe, actually your list is more correct regarding the norwegian goverments dontations anyway.... dunno about how accurate the rest of it is. Things changes so fast :)
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Originally posted by loser
Why develope the country when you can just exploit what is under it?
Iran has shown in the past, just how dangerous a democracy in the middle-east can be.
Rich saudi arabias contribution WAS pathetic at best....they've since raised it.
irony...at its best.
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Sometimes this helps me to get thru and understand things a little better think about it.
THE SERENITY PRAYER
God, grant me the
SERENITY
to accept the things
I cannot change
COURAGE
to change the
things I can
and
WISDOM
to know the difference
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Hope the aid stuff like food, medical supplies, fuel and such are not payed for in dollars.
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The full version
God, grant me the Serenity
To accept the things I cannot change...
Courage to change the things I can,
And Wisdom to know the difference.
Living one day at a time,
Enjoying one moment at a time,
Accepting hardship as the pathway to peace.
Taking, as He did, this sinful world as it is,
Not as I would have it.
Trusting that He will make all things right
if I surrender to His will.
That I may be reasonably happy in this life,
And supremely happy with Him forever in the next.
Amen.
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All in all criticism somtimes isnt all that bad. Here's an article from the LA times that basically reiterates the points I've been trying to make. Some sections I've highlighted for emphasis.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-arabs5jan05,0,2717195.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Criticism Spurs Boost in Aid From Arab Nations
Despite the increase, many people in Mideast still fret that the region, flush with oil wealth, appears stingy in its tsunami relief efforts.
By Megan K. Stack
Times Staff Writer
January 5, 2005
CAIRO, Egypt -- Amid a swelling debate in oil-rich Arab countries over the size of their donations to aid tsunami victims, several Persian Gulf governments have hurriedly fattened their cash pledges.
The increase in aid from countries such as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates came after a debate over whether governments were damaging their images by failing to dig deeper into their pockets. A more esoteric discussion on Islamic Web sites and chat rooms focused on whether the aid effort qualified as an Islamic cause, even though the majority of those who died were Muslims.
Of an estimated 150,000 dead, about 94,000 are from Indonesia, a country far from the Islamic heartland in the Middle East that is nevertheless the world's largest Muslim country. Most of the others killed were in Sri Lanka, India, and Thailand, all of which have Muslim minorities.
Even after the pledges were increased in recent days, many Arabs and Muslims continued to fret that their offerings lagged behind the region's growing oil wealth and fed anti-Arab stereotypes. The hand-wringing in the Arab world mirrored American worries that the United States damaged its image by responding too slowly.
Analysts in the Persian Gulf said state-run media responded sluggishly to the disaster, and that some potential contributors were concerned they might unwittingly choose charities accused of funding terrorism.
The Saudi government tripled its offering from $10 million to $30 million Tuesday. The United Arab Emirates increased its aid from $2 million to $20 million and began airlifts of relief supplies. And Kuwait, after being blasted for stinginess on the front page of a prominent Sunday newspaper, upped its pledge from $2 million to $10 million.
Newspapers in Kuwait and Lebanon have been among the most outspoken critics of the Arab response.
"Caricatures of white-robed sheikhs sailing their luxury yachts on seas of oil and using $100 bills to light their Havana cigars will only be reinforced in the face of collective miserliness in this hour of human need," warned an editorial in Lebanon's Daily Star newspaper. "Especially if the petroleum-rich Gulf states do not dig a bit deeper into pockets that have become quite deep indeed over the last few years of high oil prices."
The rumblings came to a head in Kuwait, where a leading newspaper published an editorial criticizing the government's offering and reminded Kuwaitis of the intimate links that bind the desert nation to Southeast Asia.
The well-off in Kuwait and other Persian Gulf countries hire people from South Asia and Southeast Asia for menial tasks they are loathe to tackle themselves.
"We stepped into the modern world with them, and through them," said the article in al Qabas. "Its sons are helping today in building our country and raising our children."
After a debate in parliament, Kuwait boosted its offering to $10 million. But some Kuwaitis remain mortified.
"If the tragedy was presented as a `Muslim tragedy' you could have found a stronger response," said Waleed Nusf, editor of the newspaper. "Some would even go as far as saying what happened was God's wrath on people who deserved it. Unbelievable."
Fahad Kharaiji, a professor of mass communications at King Saud University in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, said he wanted the government to organize a national campaign to collect private donations.
"Everybody wants to participate," he said, "but we don't know how."
"I think the money is not enough," he said. "Saudi Arabia has a responsibility as a Muslim country and as the largest oil-producing country."
But the government has been leery of cash contributions, he said, ever since Saudi charities were shut down after the Sept. 11 attacks in an effort to stanch the flow of money to terrorists. "They're very careful when it comes to cash moving out of the country," he said.
Heba Raouf, a political-science professor at Cairo University, said these countries had no history of offering aid to non-Muslim countries.
"They are focused on religious solidarity rather than global society," she said, adding that the debate over how much to contribute was an indication that their societies were changing.
On Islamic Web sites and in chat rooms, questions included the following: Would Muslims who died in the tsunami be greeted in Paradise as martyrs? Is it all right to donate to tsunami victims, even though some of the goods and money could end up in the hands of nonbelievers?
"Is it permissible for us, as Muslims, to (appeal to God) for those human beings afflicted there even if those people include Muslims and non-Muslims?" asked one person who logged onto Live Fatwa, an online forum where an Islamic scholar answered religious questions.
"There is no harm or prohibition to pray for those people who lost their lives in that natural disaster," replied Sano Koutoub Moustapha, a professor from the International Islamic University in Malaysia. "However, your beloved Muslim brothers and sisters deserve more and more of your prayers and (appeals to God). They deserve your moral and financial assistance."
Moustapha told the readers that money given to non-Muslims did not count as zakah, or the percentage of a Muslim's wealth that he or she is obliged by the Quran to give to the needy.
"The Muslims among them fall under the category of needy people," he wrote. "As for non-Muslims, they might deserve donation or any other form of assistance, but not zakah."
If you want other stories on this topic, search the Archives at latimes.com/archives.
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Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times
ACCORDING TO THIS ARTICLE and people like patrone it is the arab world that is looking at this in a religious fasion. (crusade like?)
I think its terrible that these countrys don't give more. Especially about the part that alot of their workers get imported from countrys like these and alot of the people killed were in fact muslim. I wonder how much some of these govts make from oil in ONE DAY? I bet it would stagger $10 million.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Hope the aid stuff like food, medical supplies, fuel and such are not payed for in dollars.
Hey we're not the ones paying $60 for a dam pizza ;)
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Umm Kuwiat 10 million
Sandra Bullock 1 million
Ok Ophra I think you can swing 5 million cant ya?
:D
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Originally posted by wombatt
Umm Kuwiat 10 million
Sandra Bullock 1 million
Ok Ophra I think you can swing 5 million cant ya?
:D
Bunch of sports guys are doing their part.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6787570/
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I am sorry that GunSlinger gets Fkucedup of a 12 pack of American beer and Frito Lay Chilli.
He is probally on his third Bud.
His "German mother in law"must of spiked his weak axx chilli with Boones."
No German does not make ALL AMERICAN CHILLI with fritos.
A sad day to be American. :
"german chilli"
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Originally posted by Regular
I am sorry that GunSlinger gets Fkucedup of a 12 pack of American beer and Frito Lay Chilli.
He is probally on his third Bud.
His "German mother in law"must of spiked his weak axx chilli with Boones."
No German does not make ALL AMERICAN CHILLI with fritos.
A sad day to be American. :
"german chilli"
It's coors light actually and my stomach is killing me cause I had a third bowl about an hour ago. she mede the chilli, I added the fritos and cheese;) Yes I went high to the right but I've calmed down now and I think I've made my point soundly
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Is this the right tread ???
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Bah who cares??
I drank some beer and my dad made some chilli thats hot.
dammit wrong thread !:cool:
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Originally posted by wombatt
I think alot of us are over looking the main thing here!
And that is getting help to these people.
it dont make a rats butt who sends the most just as long as the job gets done!!!!!!!!!!!
I have got to say this even though I know it will piss alot of you off but here goes.
Good God people what a bunch of ninny's we gave more than you did neener neener!!! now come on how silly is that.
And do any of us really have any clue how much any country has TRULY given? Both the government and private sector.
And dont forget that there are members of this board who are missing loved ones over there and I can just imagine what they must be thinking of there fellow gamers right about now.
And here is another thing how much if any did you personally donate?
It ain't no bodies beez wax people!!!!!
Some of us are having a hard time right after the holidays and some of us ain't.
And I am no fan boy of the Muslims but they are still human freekin beings and something of this magnitude is something that I would hope would draw the world closer together and not farther apart by some jerks comments from the UN.
Ya know do what ya can for these people and if ya cant afford any money then send out a prayer and if ya dont believe in God then at least wish them well and good luck as they need it.
OK I'm done and sorry If I offended anyone but this has gone beyond silly.
Well said Wombatt, don't think you offended anyone here. ~S~!
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
THIS IS WHY I POSTED THIS. I'm sick and tired of the double standard in this world. I could honestly give a watermelon who gives what to whomever the aid is gonna get there and these people are going to get taken care of.
But when this blatent crap comes from what's supposed to be a representative of the WORLD BODY it erks me to say the least and I wonder were the outrage is at the oil rich countrys.
You guys can jump on the Hate America band wagon all you want. I saw a list from the AP that was current as of this afternoon and it angered me that there wasnt ONE middle eastern country on there. I dont even recall seeing an ARAB country. Somone pointed out a new list and I was greatfull to them. then there was patron who turns this into a hate America must be a religious crusade bit who said one of the dumbest things I've ever read in this forum. I can only be so polite.
PS.....Chuck sorry sir I dont feel like arguing but did want to give your reply its just deserve. Welcome back, hope your DHS confinment wasnt too bad.;)
LOL, sorry, Gunny. Didn't want to bust your chops over this :)
You will have to admit that 15 million is a small amout for us to donate, no? I'm sure if you asked that same gentleman about the world's present donation levels (particularly the US's amount), I'm sure he'd say it was very generous. For the record, 15 million from a nation as wealthy as ours is stingy. We're a big machine. We may start a bit slower out of the starting gate, but once rolling, we're a steamroller :D
edit: DHS confinement?
Keep in mind that criticism of a perceived wrong does not a hater make ;)
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WTG for all the nations helping, big and little ones, side to side.
There's a small correction on the table that I want to point:
Italy's contribution (aside from being the country in charge of the coordination of the aids from the EU community), was declared as 70 million Euros in an article today citing the foreign minister, I guess Gunslinger's figure is old.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
LOL, sorry, Gunny. Didn't want to bust your chops over this :)
You will have to admit that 15 million is a small amout for us to donate, no? I'm sure if you asked that same gentleman about the world's present donation levels (particularly the US's amount), I'm sure he'd say it was very generous. For the record, 15 million from a nation as wealthy as ours is stingy. We're a big machine. We may start a bit slower out of the starting gate, but once rolling, we're a steamroller :D
edit: DHS confinement?
Keep in mind that criticism of a perceived wrong does not a hater make ;)
yup thats true but we stepped up.....why can't they?
edit: DHS confinement?
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139098
Originally posted by Airhead
Don't expect to see SaburoS back anytime soon- accorfing to his wife he's being detained under provisions of the Homeland Security Act for taking pictures of the jets at SFO.
The guy has a photography business, he's not a terrorist...And he lover airplanes, just like most of us here. Ironically the "offending pictures" that got him in trouble are still on his website.
We aren't sure where Chuck is being detained even as the Government can hold citizens indefinately, without council or without hearing, under provisions of the Homeland Security Act... in fact we aren't sure how many other American citizens have been "detained" for anti-Americanism, but since Nov. 7th many anti war advocates have been arrested.
Hopefully we can get this whole mess straightened out and get Chuck released, but because he's a person of mixed race and looks so...arabic.... he already has two strikes against him.
I don't hate you Neocons, but I blame you for this. Your narrowminded view of what being American means puts the vast majority of real Americans- Americans intrested in truth, justice and liberty for ALL...on the outside fringes of America.
We can only hope that Hillary pulls an upset over McCain in 2008 and she can steer the Good Ship America back into Freedom's waters.
for your sake I'm glad this was a joke :aok
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Originally posted by Naso
WTG for all the nations helping, big and little ones, side to side.
There's a small correction on the table that I want to point:
Italy's contribution (aside from being the country in charge of the coordination of the aids from the EU community), was declared as 70 million Euros in an article today citing the foreign minister, I guess Gunslinger's figure is old.
yup if you look at some of the numbers from both lists that were posted alot of them are way off. So I gues BOTH :aok sets of figures are old.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
for your sake I'm glad this was a joke :aok
Me too!
Sad part is that all it takes is a suspicion to land someone behind bars to be held without due process, without legal representation, and without a time limit. Some parts of Homeland Security do not make me feel more secure, but more threatened. Unfortunetly.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Me too!
Sad part is that all it takes is a suspicion to land someone behind bars to be held without due process, without legal representation, and without a time limit. Some parts of Homeland Security do not make me feel more secure, but more threatened. Unfortunetly.
not saying I agree with it, just make sure that if you are photgraphing what may be "sites of interest" for your sake attempt to get permission first.
That, AND cancel that order for desel fuel and amonium nitrate fertilizer and u should be ok
:aok
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They can't afford to send aid when they are busy supporting terroist.
Anyone remember the Saudi telathon to raise money for the families of Palestinian suicide bombers
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Originally posted by rpm
They probably think Allah was smiting the infidels on the beachs and the residents deserved what they got.
OK, I was being sarcastic when I posted this. GUESS WHAT? MSNBC just aired a story about Arab television saying just that. It was'nt Al-Jaz, it was mainstream Egyptian news. They reported the tsunami was caused by US and Israeli nuclear tests and Allah was striking back against the muslims that allowed the infidels on their soil.
It is clear that no amount of elections, no amount of nation building, no amount of humanitarian aid will win the "hearts and minds" of the Arab "people". All they know is hate and ignorance.
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US citizens have donated over 200 million to various charities so far. In addition to t e aircraft carrier's helocopters, c-130's
God I love this country.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Hey we're not the ones paying $60 for a dam pizza ;)
lol... again with the 60 $ pizza :D
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Originally posted by rpm
OK, I was being sarcastic when I posted this. GUESS WHAT? MSNBC just aired a story about Arab television saying just that. It was'nt Al-Jaz, it was mainstream Egyptian news. They reported the tsunami was caused by US and Israeli nuclear tests and Allah was striking back against the muslims that allowed the infidels on their soil.
It is clear that no amount of elections, no amount of nation building, no amount of humanitarian aid will win the "hearts and minds" of the Arab "people". All they know is hate and ignorance.
...put the fishing gear away. ;)
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Originally posted by JBA
US citizens have donated over 200 million to various charities so far. In addition to t e aircraft carrier's helocopters, c-130's
God I love this country.
Thanks, WTG, USA!!:aok
Crabofix
Booooork
Edit: Swedish citizens donated 70 million dollars during 1 single day (new years day). Might be passing 200 by now.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
WTG Norway. GScholtz your still a putz though.
Ya WTG Norway! They really did step up to the plate.
Hopefully they still have enough money to put towards education..... to help keep more GScholtzs' from getting through ......
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Originally posted by Goth
What rpm said....
I heard one report of a middle eastern cleric claimed it was the wrath of allah and they deserved it.
Heard another report of a middle eastern news media blaming it on Israeli and US testing nukes in the area.
Let's face it, the US will keep giving and the Middle East will keep spinning Amreeka is the Satan.
That's OK...September 11 was because of homosexuality within the Christian community, and God lifted up hes protective hand....
Anyone remember THAT quote?
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Originally posted by mosgood
Ya WTG Norway! They really did step up to the plate.
Hopefully they still have enough money to put towards education..... to help keep more GScholtzs' from getting through ......
OUCH!:eek:
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Originally posted by NUKE
Official moron. You are a moron. Moron status has been attained by you.
How many people here are surprised?
NeuBob leaves and this patrone crabofix moron arrives...go figure.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Airhead...
We can only hope that Hillary pulls an upset over McCain in 2008 and she can steer the Good Ship America back into Freedom's waters.
Again with the DemoCrapic Spin....
Da biyatch she aint gon du chit.
:D
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Originally posted by patrone
Thanks, WTG, USA!!:aok
Crabofix
Booooork
Edit: Swedish citizens donated 70 million dollars during 1 single day (new years day). Might be passing 200 by now.
you have got to be kidding me.... thats 70 million SEK, not $
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Originally posted by Nilsen
you have got to be kidding me.... thats 70 million SEK, not $
Not kidding , Nilsen, 500 million sek, eq. 70 millon$
Check out tv4 and Svt.
Crabofix
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
u guys can defend the middle east all you want but truth be told without oil they'd be just another bass ackwords desert that America would be sending food aid too.
And if the US didn't have it's resources it wouldn't even be around today...and if my grandmother had wheels, she would be a wagon.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Wtg. Sweden!
Nilsen, the private charity is usually far greater than the official aid. All Scandinavian people have very similar values, so I expect the Norwegian and Danish private charity to match the Swedes per capita.
Yeah you are prolly right. Maybe the norwegian people can match the norwgian goverment too.
Sorry Carbofix.... when I now see that its 500mil SEK i can belive you. :)
Would be nice to see how much the norwegian individuals have raised. It was crazy in the first few days, so maybe we can match the goverment. Know a link to any nmbers GS ?
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Originally posted by Thrawn
And if the US didn't have it's resources it wouldn't even be around today...and if my grandmother had wheels, she would be a wagon.
LOL
the USSR had many times our resources. Mexico and Canada have just as much or more than we do.
America is where we are beacuse of our laws and open culture.
The Arabs are where they are because of their culture.
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Originally posted by NUKE
LOL
the USSR had many times our resources.
Snow and slave labor were resources?
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Originally posted by rpm
Snow and slave labor were resources?
Oil, coal, forests, gold, silver, copper, water, oceans... you name it, they had it.
The USSR was had WAY more natural resources than us.
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Britain are hoping to raise their $95m pledge to $187m in the next week or so. UK Charities (citizen donations) have so far raised $150m.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Oil, coal, forests, gold, silver, copper, water, oceans... you name it, they had it.
The USSR was had WAY more natural resources than us.
Of course you can back up your claims or can you :)
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Originally posted by NUKE
LOL
the USSR had many times our resources. Mexico and Canada have just as much or more than we do.
America is where we are beacuse of our laws and open culture.
The Arabs are where they are because of their culture.
Not sure about Mexico having as much or more resources than Canada. And part of the reason the US was so economically successful is because of the high population. And indeed part of the reason the people immigrated to the US was to live in a free country. But they also moved their for all that free land that was being given away. But I wonder what the population of the US would have been if it was just a big desert.
The point I was trying to make was that it doesn't seem very useful to me to play the "if" game in this context.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
This list is old.
This list is so old that it doesn't even list some old countries. I couldn't find Russia on it, neither the USSR. :D
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while israel didnt donated hard currency
12 hours after the tsunamy israely medical army units where on the way to thailand and are still there today
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Originally posted by Flyboy
while israel didnt donated hard currency
12 hours after the tsunamy israely medical army units where on the way to thailand and are still there today
werent they rejected and told thanks but no thanks? or was that Sri Lanka?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
werent they rejected and told thanks but no thanks? or was that Sri Lanka?
I think Indonesia said "no thanks" to Israelic help. Indonesia said really "no thanks" to all forign help, to start with: The area wich was hit was also a rebelcontrolled area.
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I'd heard the Sri Lankans had said no to Israeli help, though my source was this BB, as opposed to a less-respected news organisation.
I'd also heard reports the Indonesians had said no to all foreigners, but I'm sure that is inaccurate. Far as I know, there was a team of Australian Army engineers on the ground in Banda Aceh within days producing fresh drinking water.
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Yes, within days, they excepted forign aid.
But for starters, they only reported 30 dead and covered up the actual loses.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Not sure about Mexico having as much or more resources than Canada. And part of the reason the US was so economically successful is because of the high population. And indeed part of the reason the people immigrated to the US was to live in a free country. But they also moved their for all that free land that was being given away. But I wonder what the population of the US would have been if it was just a big desert.
The point I was trying to make was that it doesn't seem very useful to me to play the "if" game in this context.
You kind of made my point. The US has what we have because of who we are and not because of our natural resources.
The USSR wrapped almost halfway around the globe from east to west, 1/6th of the habitated land on earth...from Europe to Asia.
The USSR had all the natural resources it needed to be self sufficient and plenty of land for people to live on.....they had a larger chunk of Asia than China and India combined.....yet they collapsed. They failed because of their society and intollerant ways.
Arab nations are stagnant and mostly uneducated because of their society.
Japan has the world's 2nd largest economy because of it's society. Look how small Japan is.
The reason the US had people flooding over ( and still do) is because of our laws, tolerent culture, economy(because of our laws) and freedom.