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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mechanic on January 05, 2005, 11:42:08 AM
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ok, so why do Americans all think the world hates America so much?
its getting kinda stoopid recently.
seems funny that Americans cant take a bad word said to them, yet regularly tell the rest of us how pathetic we are?
If you ask me, which you wont because im not american, the world is heading for a major disaster.
If America wants war with Europe, or Europe with America, then lets get it overwith and save my children the trouble. :lol
Personally i dont view nations as any different from each other, i judge the individual as i meet him/her. I certainly dont have any problem with the USA apart from the fact that it seems ok to slam us but we cant slam you.
There is going to be a nasty war in the next 50-100 years, we all know it and no one can stop it.
I'm moving to hawaii to stay with XtrmeJ until it all blows over and once again the world realises war is stoopid.
but which side of the fence will YOU be standing on when (not 'if') it blows?
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What and tell which way I'm coming from?
What a friggen idiot.
:rofl
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i know, im not American, i must be an idiot.
no need to state the obvious.
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Originally posted by mechanic
but which side of the fence will YOU be standing on when (not 'if') it blows?
The winning side.
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Originally posted by mechanic
ok, so why do Americans all think the world hates America so much?
What gave you that impression?
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Originally posted by Sandman
What gave you that impression?
er...pick almost any one of the threads in this forum and suck up the anti-Euro or anti-USA feelings.
Guns seem to dominate at the moment.
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Someone is about to join the ranks of "Ameristalkers".
;)
Funked will be along shortly with the ever present "I blame Boooch" comment.:)
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Originally posted by Curval
Someone is about to join the ranks of "Ameristalkers".
;)
Funked will be along shortly with the ever present "I blame Boooch" comment.:)
No NO no NO nO!
I love America, alot of my family live there.
I just hate seeing my own country slammed into the ground for any number of things, yet the slightest insult to my chums accross the pond is jumped on and thrown right back 100 fold.
I just want world peace, but thats not likely in my lifetime.
this thread was more an oppertunity to show our views, not flame anyone and everything.
We should all be friends and smoke crack together not steal each others stash whilst talking rudely about each others mums.
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I dont think the world hates Americans. I think many people in many countries have an opinion that the average American is arrogant, rude, etc.
I also think that everyone everywhere has misconceptions about anyone who is "foriegn" based on stereotypes and misinformation. This includes Americans.
You gonna tell me you've never heard anyone on your side of the pond tell a French joke? Polish jokes? Ever heard anyone make fun of, or say anything stereotypical about an Irishman?
You are basing your idea of what ideas "Americans" hold by the people you see posting on this BBS. I would venture to say, this BBS is NOT exactly representative of the average American. Some of the posters on here are still young enough they havent had time to develop a real opinion on how to wipe their butts properly. I realize its hard to do when the people you are trading comments and sometimes insults with every day are nameless, faceless posters on a bulletin board, but try to step back and look at it objectively. If you are still angry, ask Furby to share his meds with you.
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Lol SA2.
good points.
I must stress that i am in no way angry.
just wondering how people feel about this growing divide between the greatest nation on earth and the rest of us.
its bad enough having brown teeth without someone ripping the piss out of your laws also. :lol
i realise that this board is less than a decent representation of any nation but i also realise that it is all we have, so lets work with what we've got.
Anyhow, its easy for you to be chilled out, you live in paradise you bastage ;)
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I don't hate the rest of the world. I dislike it when foreigners seem to feel it is their civic duty to inform me of my country's shortcomings at every opportunity. Unfortunately, that includes at least 50% of the non-US posters on this board.
Basically you're asking: "Why do you guys always react the same way whenever we criticize you?"
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Originally posted by mechanic
No NO no NO nO!
I love America, alot of my family live there.
I just hate seeing my own country slammed into the ground for any number of things, yet the slightest insult to my chums accross the pond is jumped on and thrown right back 100 fold.
I just want world peace, but thats not likely in my lifetime.
this thread was more an oppertunity to show our views, not flame anyone and everything.
We should all be friends and smoke crack together not steal each others stash whilst talking rudely about each others mums.
I hear ya man...same position here, but I am also teetering on Ameristalker status at times...not because I am, but because I have made critical comments on occassion. Anytime you do so here the big BRAND comes out...red hot and ready to burn. ;)
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Originally posted by Mini D
Basically you're asking: "Why do you guys always react the same way whenever we criticize you?"
Shack.
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It's just good old fashioned nationalism, the modern version of tribalism. It's instinct. Don't worry about it.
EVERYONE thinks their team is the best and the others suck. If they didn't, there would be something seriously wrong.
Cultivate personal friendships and laugh at the nationalist jibes. You will be liked and respected for it, and you will like and respect others for doing it for you. Everything else is just a bunch of bs.
Tom
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Thanks for sharing that with us.
That was very...... aaah.. aaah... very.... "Special......"
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Originally posted by Otto
Thanks for sharing that with us.
That was very...... aaah.. aaah... very.... "Special......"
LOL, sorry; I had the cue cards for the church meeting in my hands.
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Heh. Paradise it may be my friend, but let me share something my grandfather told me once. Ive always found it to be true, and it certainly is here.
The grass may be greener on the other side of the fence, but thats only because there's more fertilizer to make it grow.
I live here. It wont ever be home. But I'll enjoy it while I'm here.
;)
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Bah...live on a REAL island SoA, not some American colony. ;)
BRITISH colonies are much much better.
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MiniD, i hear you there. Trust me when i say its felt by me towards my own country also.
you know, if we add up the posts, it would probably show a very even divde between all nations that have representatives here.
the main cause of this divide is ignorance.
The world is plagued by ignorance.
I am not saying you or anyone should not deffend your nation, far from it. A man who doesnt can hardly be called a man.
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Originally posted by mosca
It's just good old fashioned nationalism, the modern version of tribalism. It's instinct. Don't worry about it.
EVERYONE thinks their team is the best and the others suck. If they didn't, there would be something seriously wrong.
Cultivate personal friendships and laugh at the nationalist jibes. You will be liked and respected for it, and you will like and respect others for doing it for you. Everything else is just a bunch of bs.
Tom
excelent, the exact answer i was looking for. im impressed :D
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Maybe it has something to do with foreign newspapers asking if "Americans Can be this dumb" after we elected our president.
Maybe it has to do with "Allies" stabbing us in the back to pad their own pockets.
Maybe it has something to do with stadiums full of people who come to their feet and cheer when the entertainer du jour defames the US.
Maybe it's because we feel we do our damnedest to help others only to get slapped in the face.
Maybe you should look at the way the world has been treating us before asking why we react the way we do.
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
Maybe it has something to do with foreign newspapers asking if "Americans Can be this dumb" after we elected our president.
Maybe it has to do with "Allies" stabbing us in the back to pad their own pockets.
Maybe it has something to do with stadiums full of people who come to their feet and cheer when the entertainer du jour defames the US.
Maybe it's because we feel we do our damnedest to help others only to get slapped in the face.
Maybe you should look at the way the world has been treating us before asking why we react the way we do.
uh oh, this one may be beyond our help curval.
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I'm coming over to USA next month, to stay over at a friends house.
Some people here have insulted me as an anti-american, shouldn't they be very scared now :D
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Originally posted by mechanic
uh oh, this one may be beyond our help curval.
I don't recall asking for anyone's help.
And if I was going to say something nice about anyone, it would be Curval because I've found him to be a very pleasant person.
But your condescending attitude is going a long way toward meding fences.
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Originally posted by mechanic
If America wants war with Europe, then lets get it overwith and save my children the trouble.
This is the European attitude that started 2 world wars and killed over 100 million people.
BTW what country are you from so that I aim my insults the right direction?
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Originally posted by Muckmaw1
I don't recall asking for anyone's help.
And if I was going to say something nice about anyone, it would be Curval because I've found him to be a very pleasant person.
But your condescending attitude is going a long way toward meding fences.
first off, I'm not condecending to you, you may feel like i am but this derives from within the individual. my reason for this thread was so we could chat about this situation, not throw more insults.
secondly, I'm a fencing contractor by vocation, so no suprises there.
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Originally posted by Krusher
This is the European attitude that started 2 world wars and killed over 100 million people.
BTW what country are you from so that I aim my insults the right direction?
You're right Krusher, my initial sentance was wrong.
should have written.
'If Europe want war with the US, or the other way around'
appologies for making it sounds one sided, was not my intention.
Im from England, so no fear, you can keep the insults coming as they were :)
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Originally posted by mechanic
You're right Krusher, my initial sentance was wrong.
should have written.
'If Europe want war with the US, or the other way around'
appologies for making it sounds one sided, was not my intention.
Im from England, so no fear, you can keep the insults coming as they were :)
No problem.
Oh and your food sucks !
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yet regularly tell the rest of us how pathetic we are?
LOL we do?
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yeah? well you got bad ....er....teeth.....um....han g on..er.
fine, you win.
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Originally posted by Steve
LOL we do?
well, yes, alot of you do.
(may i reiterate here that my intentions are for peacefull discussion, not flame wars.)
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yeah? well you got bad ....er....teeth.....um....han g on..er.
I know you can do better than that. ;)
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Originally posted by Jayclark
I know you can do better than that. ;)
ok.
i know i could too, but as stated, my intentions are peacfull discusion, not weather the USA is striken with obesity or the UK full of toothless ameristalkers.
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Originally posted by mechanic
ok.
i know i could too, but as stated, my intentions are peacfull discusion, not weather the USA is striken with obesity or the UK full of toothless ameristalkers.
You can't see this thread beginning to deteriorate already?
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America= Apples
Europe= Oranges
There are some things that even if they are explained some folks just wouldnt understand. Two very different life styles and neither is wrong but it always comes across that alot of folks across the pond seem to know whats best for the US.
Take gun control for instance. Say what ever you want about any scenerio and what not and the numbers show that gun control doesnt work.
I guess the question I want to ask is when a European country/ state gets into some kind of conflict with another country and their military isnt strong enough, who will they eventualy get help from?
America may have problems but in the end we try to help out where and when we can and at a cost to tax payers.
How would the european country who has constantly bashed America for everything its doing, knows whats best for America,
and knows beyond a doubt thinks we'll be there to bail them out, How would they feel when we (insert government represenative of choice) says "Sure we'll help ya out but its gonna cost you for America to come to your aid and protect you"?
Now I'm not talking about being a mercanary type military and making money for services. I'm talking about having the country needing protection paying the expenses incurred by providing protection for them. Fuel costs, wages, maintenance, etc. it all adds up.
I'm all for helping folks out when they need it for good reasons. I'm just tired of paying for it in the various different ways out of my pocket. I think its time for the others to cough it up and to cough it up big.
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I don't hate the rest of the world. I dislike it when foreigners seem to feel it is their civic duty to inform me of my country's shortcomings at every opportunity. Unfortunately, that includes at least 50% of the non-US posters on this board. Basically you're asking: "Why do you guys always react the same way whenever we criticize you?"
mini d thats the best post in the thread so far:)
there is not a country on this planet that dont bash anothers beleifs or laws,,thats why we have wars and why people cant get along
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Basically you're asking: "Why do you guys always react the same way whenever we criticize you?"
and we could add to that... "when we are only trying to help you be more like us?"
We don't want to be like you... mostly we think you are wrong.
and mechanic... we don't even know where you are from.
lazs
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I believe he is from the UK. Could be wrong and if I am I do apologize in advance.
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The reason Americans get offensive or atleast me is. People up north and across the pond, tend to act like back seat drivers. You think you know whats best and you could run our country better. You think your way of living is better so you must force it on us(this is a two way street, US has done this and some may argue we'er doing it now). We do everything wrong if it wasn't what you would of done. This is what makes me mad. We left for a reason. And we went to war for it and won. In reality some people are so held up in American affairs. That they are blind to see that their own country needs help instead of worrying about a place that they'll probably never visit.
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Jay...with all due respect, suggesting that non-Americans are trying to force ANYTHING on Americans is quite amusing given the current geo-political environment.
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Originally posted by mechanic
ok, so why do Americans all think the world hates America so much?
I suspect that Americans, in general, are far less knowledgeable of foreign affairs than the "foreigners" are of American affairs. Hell, I suspect that there are people in England that are more informed about American affairs than some Americans.
Accept it. We're everywhere and people that don't live here have seen us, heard us and probably even have an opinion about us.
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Curval I agree, I left one part of it out. I edited the post now. But also even though I share your view point. Others see it from a different view point and I understand why they do.
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can i just say AGAIN for the people who think im attacking something....
I hold no hostile view towards america, nor americans.
I couldnt care less about how you run your caountry, nor even how mine is run.
just wondering why us Brits are happy to take a few wise cracks on the chin yet if we talk about anything American its frowned apon.
Is it ALL of the US that is so touchy, or is it just a small minority here?
and MacMAW, it would have been in a better state had you not seen it or posted
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Anyhow, my question was answered perfectly earlier, i no longer feel so confused about this topic.
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Originally posted by mosca
It's just good old fashioned nationalism, the modern version of tribalism. It's instinct. Don't worry about it.
EVERYONE thinks their team is the best and the others suck. If they didn't, there would be something seriously wrong.
Cultivate personal friendships and laugh at the nationalist jibes. You will be liked and respected for it, and you will like and respect others for doing it for you. Everything else is just a bunch of bs.
Tom
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excelent, the exact answer i was looking for. im impressed
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Originally posted by Curval
Bah...live on a REAL island SoA, not some American colony. ;)
BRITISH colonies are much much better.
Oh how the smartass in me would like to respond to that. But I wont, I will restrain myself.
Mostly because I know you are joking.
And because if I said what I really think the problem is, with Britain or Europe in general, I'd really tick off some people I like, and I dont want to do that.
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I went to England a few months ago and had some reservations. I figured people would give me and my friends a hard time as we were quite obviously Americans (we were the only people who chose to contact each other's apartment by hanging out the window and yelling).
Really though, they didn't treat us bad at all.
I had a few discussions with some people over there because I wanted to know exactly what was thought of Bush and Iraq. I also wanted to know what their average yearly wage was, how their economy was going, etc. I basically tried to soak up as much knowledge as possible about their daily lives.
A few told me they really respected me for that.
Most people I ran into didn't like Bush, but the most popular reason was that, essentially, he is too brash. They didn't neccessarily disagree with what he was doing, just the way he goes about doing it.
You know, I can understand that. He is brash. That's good in the sense that he gets things done (about time a president did), but it is bad in the sense of how he lessens our friendly image, if you will. So I respect their opinion.
I myself, however, became somewhat disenchanted with how we treat our best friend, the British (let's face it, we argue, but in this world, Britain and Australia are our two closest pals). It just really saddened me at how warmly I was welcomed into England, and how quickly customs and what not went by, only to see the Brits photographed and fingerprinted back in America. I realize this is considered "necessary" for security purposes... But London's just as juicy a target as New York... And I wasn't hassled.
So basically Batfink, I thought the British hated Americans until I went there and saw first hand that they do not. Shrug.
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Not all Americans are convinced that all the world hates them.
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Originally posted by mechanic
There is going to be a nasty war in the next 50-100 years, we all know it and no one can stop it.
The "war" you are talking about is going to be when the EU falls apart because of the divisive nature of Europeans.
Plain and simply that is the only war I see coming or going in Europe in the next 50 some odd years, but personnally I think it will happen within 20 years, and it will be a version of the Euro havenots rising up against the Euro haves...
Wonder which side the US will take in that mess.
:rolleyes:
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There is going to be a nasty war in the next 50-100 years, we all know it and no one can stop it.
Overdue in my opinion. The muslim-Christain war is already begun... most people just refuse to acknowledge it.
another world war, starting in Europe is late in coming, IMHO.
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ORANGE COUNTY WEEKLY
The Year In Diplomatic Buffoonery, Argyros-Style
by Gustavo Arellano
When Orange County businessman George Argyros became ambassador to Spain in late 2001, OC Weekly managing editor Matt Coker wrote an open letter to then-Spanish President José María Aznar, expressing his hope "that by the time [Argyros] has left Madrid, he will not have rekindled the Spanish-American War" ("Lo Siento," Dec. 7, 2001).
It was funny, but as it turned out, not that funny. Sure, galleons aren’t hurtling across the Atlantic—yet—but 2004 marked the worst deterioration of Spanish-American ties since Julio Iglesias’ mid-1980s world tour. And it’s fair to blame all of it on Orange County’s fattest landlord.
It wasn’t only that Argyros didn’t speak—and wouldn’t learn—Spanish, a form of lingual retardation ridiculed frequently in the Madrid press over his three-year stay. Nor was it his backdoor deal with Aznar to secure Spain’s involvement in the Iraq invasion, a move opposed by more than 90 percent of Spaniards. Nor even was it Argyros’ reaction after the March 11 Madrid bombings that killed 191 madrileños: with all of Spain in mourning, he issued a press release praising Spain’s participation in the war in Iraq. It wasn’t just bad timing. It was boneheaded, cold-hearted and crass. It was like interrupting an American soldier’s funeral with a Halliburton commercial. Smart historians will note Argyros’ supporting role in the collapse of Aznar’s government mere days later.
All that was bad. But what ultimately damaged America’s reputation in Spain was what Coker foresaw all those years ago: Argyros’ arrogance, his bumbling, his buffoonery. In short, Argyros being Argyros, it all came to a boorish gestalt in October.
During the summer, Spanish President José Luís Rodríguez Zapatero—the man who beat Aznar’s handpicked successor in March—delivered on his campaign promise to withdraw Spanish troops from Iraq. Spaniards greeted the move with relief. But it infuriated Argyros, who had campaigned for his ambassadorship on two points: his ability to raise $30 million for George W. Bush in 2000, and his promise to deliver and keep Spain in Bush’s mediocre Coalition of the Willing.
In Orange County, we know Argyros from his handling of the campaign to turn El Toro into an international airport and his role as the evilest landlord since the guy who handled the Indians’ escrow. We expected him to react with vengeance, but we didn’t expect him to choose Oct. 12 as his day of divine retribution. That’s Spanish National Day, Spain’s Fourth of July, if you will, a holiday commemorating the country’s reunification after driving out the Moors in 1492 and Christopher Columbus’ discovery of America.
In Madrid, the National Day parade is the highlight of the embassy season; the attendance of all foreign diplomats and ambassadors in Spain is virtually mandatory. There was one notable absence this year: Argyros.
The ambassador’s initial explanation was that he could not return in time from a hunting trip with James Baker. When Spanish officials didn’t buy it, Argyros did something rare: he told the truth. He told the Spanish news agency Europa Press that he ditched the parade as a kind of payback: seems that a year before, Argyros said, at that same parade, Zapatero didn’t stand when the American flag passed the reviewing stand.
All of Spain paused over their paella, set aside their pitchers of sangría and howled. Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel Moratinos said Argyros’ snub "didn’t meet the norms of diplomatic courtesy." Spain’s premier daily, El País, elegantly called his explanation "inelegant." Even the moderate El Mundo described Argyros’ decision as a "hostile gesture."
By then, Argyros had announced he would resign after the U.S. election. But the damage was already done. Bush requested a November meeting with Spain’s king in Crawford, Texas, to patch things up, and Argyros returned to Orange County, where he awaits a spring appearance by Aznar at UC Irvine—the former president’s second OC appearance in about a year. Orange County is about the only place that would welcome such an unwanted and disgraced man. And George Argyros is glad to be home.
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That article says much more than you realize MZ. If two people are being *******s, someone's bound to write an article on how it was the American's fault. In this case, someone with a vendetta.
I love the media.
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Originally posted by Mini D
That article says much more than you realize MZ. If two people are being *******s, someone's bound to write an article on how it was the American's fault. In this case, someone with a vendetta.
I love the media.
Sorry, I forgot to mention that the OC Weekly is a left-leaning muckracking rag similar to the LA Weekly and Village Voice.
I thought it was interesting though, considering that most Americans are unaware that our many of our ambassadors' sole qualification is that they raised money an the election.
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good to see some sensible, on topic replies.
Vudak, yes, we love you yanks in our little island and do all we can to make you feel welcome.
Bodhi, yes this war will be because of our nature, but you really think so soon? And more importantly, if the war is about our little euro ways, why should the US even get envolved?
Steve, i agree, although i do not relish the prospect.
MZ, good post, very profound.
MiniD, thats the problem with the world today, the media makes history. What is a stupid media spin off today may become concrete fact in 100 years.
To all my friends here, from all nations, i wish you peace in the time we may have left....
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Before or after your next war amongst yourselves?
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And more importantly, if the war is about our little euro ways, why should the US even get envolved?
Because we stand by our allies*
*God forgive us for the Bay of Pigs
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Originally posted by -MZ-
Sorry, I forgot to mention that the OC Weekly is a left-leaning muckracking rag similar to the LA Weekly and Village Voice.
I thought it was interesting though, considering that most Americans are unaware that our many of our ambassadors' sole qualification is that they raised money an the election.
If this had been an article about ambassadors, then I could see the point of posting that. But, given the context, the article doesn't say anything about the performance of ambasadors... but rather quite a bit about why perceptions get exagerated to sell papers.
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Originally posted by mechanic
ok, so why do Americans all think the world hates America so much?
its getting kinda stoopid recently.
Nice troll Ameristalker! and a very successfull one at that. Get a grip and take your meds please!
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lol
Just great to see this thread turn out pretty much the way I thought it would.
Humans...we're just so damn predictable.
:aok
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Originally posted by Mini D
If this had been an article about ambassadors, then I could see the point of posting that. But, given the context, the article doesn't say anything about the performance of ambasadors... but rather quite a bit about why perceptions get exagerated to sell papers.
Well, this thread is all over the place, but I thought it was relevant.
Also, it had the word 'retardation' in it.
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Originally posted by mechanic
ok, so why do Americans all think the world hates America so much?
its getting kinda stoopid recently.
seems funny that Americans cant take a bad word said to them, yet regularly tell the rest of us how pathetic we are?
If you ask me, which you wont because im not american, the world is heading for a major disaster.
If America wants war with Europe, or Europe with America, then lets get it overwith and save my children the trouble. :lol
Personally i dont view nations as any different from each other, i judge the individual as i meet him/her. I certainly dont have any problem with the USA apart from the fact that it seems ok to slam us but we cant slam you.
There is going to be a nasty war in the next 50-100 years, we all know it and no one can stop it.
I'm moving to hawaii to stay with XtrmeJ until it all blows over and once again the world realises war is stoopid.
but which side of the fence will YOU be standing on when (not 'if') it blows?
um. i seem to recall you apologizing in advance for killing any of your american friends. i am calling imigration an letting them know that we have a terrorist on his way to our 50th state.
wouldnt want to miss another warning.
: )
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I've been to places all over this world and I have not had any feelings that people hate Americans. I have been treated nicely wherever I went.
Maybe it is just some of the pathetic personalities on this board that secrete that feeling.
I actual had some Norweigens buy me and a friend a beer at a bar in Tallin, Estonia because we were Americans.
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Originally posted by Curval
lol
Just great to see this thread turn out pretty much the way I thought it would.
Humans...we're just so damn predictable.
:aok
I added the Ameristalker bit just for you Curv...
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Originally posted by Steve
Overdue in my opinion. The muslim-Christain war is already begun... most people just refuse to acknowledge it.
another world war, starting in Europe is late in coming, IMHO.
the muslim christain war started 2000 years ago...other than a few minor lulls it hasnt stopped...
as for anther world war, it is unlikely it will happen in europe. just look at the patterns of major wars and social/ecenomic power shifts...next major war is definatly in the orient, probably starting in north korea followed by a major US supported civil war in china.
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hey I don't go braggin around saying Canada is the best fug the rest of ya's now do I...
Europe's gay and the U.S. sucks we all now that...
but to start a war, ever hear of PARANOIA
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Yanks are cool, leave 'em alone.
Of course they are gonna get shirty if you belittle or ridicule their country, just as you would if they did the same to you.
I have never left Australia, so I don't know what it is like anywhere else, but every American I have met around here has been polite, quiet, helpfull, generous and very complimentary about my country and countrymen.
They are proud of their nation, as they have every right to be, by any measure it is a great country.
They have also, to a man, stated if I ever get to their country, that they would be more than happy to put me up for a few days, show me around etc.
Many, upon finding I have a sister living in the US, and that I will get over there to see her and her adopted country some day, have given me phone numbers and addresses to contact them if I happen to be in their city/county/state.
They are fascinated by our country, it's wildlife, it's scenery and it's people and their ways.....I only hope that when I do get to travel, that I can be as good an ambassador for my country as they are for thier's when over here.
If it came down to, as you put it 'USA vs. The World', I have no doubt what side of the fence I would be on, and it would be rather short on croussaints and big on hamburgers.
(BTW reffering to Europe as 'the rest of the world' is way more arrogant and just plain wrong than Americans saying the US is great......what about Asia, Africa, Australia/NZ/Oceania, India? thats a whole big chunk of the 'rest of the world' being ommited there)
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I'm a pragmatic man. I'll be with the United States. They'd kick your as$es. I'd like us to be standing stronger with our neighbour to the south, but the political climate in our respective countries wont allow it at the moment. I dont think the US does everything correctly, and I dont think they have a great president at the moment (the alternative sucked too), but they have always been there trying to represent ideals that we supposedly believe in when we have often sat back while criticizing and doing sweet frick all.
I aint a US cheerleader. They make mistakes, and have had some bad apples in govt. Which country in the world is immune to these things? They've sacrificed alot so that we can enjoy this freedom we take for granted every day, and that earns them some slack during tough times, like today. If push came to shove (I seriously doubt anything of this nature will happen), I would be at their disposal.
Just to add, I dont want to take away from sacrifices any Canadian on this board has made or has experienced. I know we have contributed greatly in the past, but things seem very different today. I think we rely on, and take for granted, the US too much. Oh, and your welcome, for that butt kicking we delivered to the russians yesterday :)
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Originally posted by 1K0N
Nice troll Ameristalker! and a very successfull one at that. Get a grip and take your meds please!
(http://www.geocities.com/lip_gloss_gals/troll13.gif)
are you that same 'man' who upped a typhy, saw me coming in with 3k alt on you, ran home, got vulched on landing, then spent your next hour cherry picking me when i was in hugely outnumbered fights on the deck?
what a guy ;)
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Originally posted by mechanic
whilst talking rudely about each others mums.
why would anyone be talking rudely about my flowers? :confused:
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thanks bluedog.. I visited england and Scotland and had a great time. If there was any animosity towards me because of me being American I couldn't tell... I spent a lot of the time in a rented car driving around all over the place. I would like to visit australia.... I know guys there in my modified Healey group.
I think mechanic is just young and has no real perception of history. We generally don't get involved in euro wars until the bad guys are really getting uppity and the good guys are doing really badly.
sholtzie may be right but... we unified after a very bloody civil war.. one of the bloodiest in history for those of you who think the U.S. has no stomach for casualties... at the end we were unified. euro wars are about the same thing but the roles are reversed.... the people wanting to do the unifying are real bad folk. not sure if you can do it without another war and the guys who want a free europe don't have the stomach to fight unless attacked... economics may make it happen but... doubt it.
and fishu... I think your politics suck but if you are in the area drop by... we won't fight unless you want to but I tend to be "argumentative" I have met a lot of the players here and seem to get along with then fairly well... I am louder tho.
lazs
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Originally posted by mechanic
are you that same 'man' who upped a typhy, saw me coming in with 3k alt on you, ran home, got vulched on landing, then spent your next hour cherry picking me when i was in hugely outnumbered fights on the deck?
what a guy ;)
Wrong guy, I cant hit the side of a mobile home with a brick of velvetta cheese let alone cherrypick the same guy twice in one night....
Your giving me credit for something I am to inept to do in AH....
I do seem to remember your name from in game but not exactly why...
IKON
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Gunslinger stated in another thread that we (foreigners) are possibly all terrorists.
What kind of response would you expect?
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Historicaly.... euros start the wars that the U.S. is involved in.
lazs
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Originally posted by newguy
but they have always been there trying to represent ideals that we supposedly believe in when we have often sat back while criticizing and doing sweet frick all.
Because they know our history and our hearts.
More perhaps because they know yours, Vidkun.
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ok, so summing up, the vast majority of folks from all nations are pretty laid back about people from other countries. this is good.
but there will always be the select few who blindly swear allegence to something or someone and anyone else can go screw.
i havnt uncovered anything i didnt already know :)
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Reformulated to clear things up for Vidkun Scholz:
Originally posted by GScholz
I wonder how some people can just choose whom to fight for, not knowing what they will be fighting for. I do not know whom I'd side with in a war between Europe and America. It would depend on who started it and why.
Why, because they know our history and our hearts, as Newguy so eloquently expressed.
Originally posted by newguy
but they have always been there trying to represent ideals that we supposedly believe in when we have often sat back while criticizing and doing sweet frick all.
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But even more, perhaps, because they know yours, Vidkun Scholz.
Vidkun........ there can be only ONE.
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You're certainly entitled to your opinion; that's one of the principles my country was founded upon.
Re-read newguy's post. That may help you.
But I doubt it.
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Toad, why waste your time?
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Blind nationalistic loyalty seems to be a hallmark of Europe's history. We seem to have to be drug kicking and screaming into your slaughters.
We do send troops out to fight, there's no doubt about that. But there's no doubt about this, either:
Colin Powell:
We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and we’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in, and otherwise we have returned home to seek our own, you know, to seek our own lives in peace, to live our own lives in peace. But there comes a time when soft power or talking with evil will not work where, unfortunately, hard power is the only thing that works.
That's the difference. Newguy knows it and admires it. You know it too, Vidkun and it just eats away at you, doesn't it?
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Originally posted by Swager
I've been to places all over this world and I have not had any feelings that people hate Americans. I have been treated nicely wherever I went.
Maybe it is just some of the pathetic personalities on this board that secrete that feeling.
I actual had some Norweigens buy me and a friend a beer at a bar in Tallin, Estonia because we were Americans.
I think you hit the nail on the head there, this reflects the "normal world opinion" In a message board people tend to maximaze a certain problem, and screams loader than they would if they talked face to face.
I have abosolutly no problem with Americans, those ive met and know is just the same guy in the street like me, but living in another country.
Its easy to be bigmouthed in a messageboard, and some people seems too live their lifes in it, just to harass others.
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I think you hit the nail on the head there, this reflects the "normal world opinion" In a message board people tend to maximaze a certain problem, and screams loader than they would if they talked face to face.I have abosolutly no problem with Americans, those ive met and know is just the same guy in the street like me, but living in another country.
Its easy to be bigmouthed in a messageboard, and some people seems too live their lifes in it, just to harass others.
good post
half my squad is euro's and nor's,only like 3 americans in the squad i think,,and there the nices people hands down i ever flown with,,i will fly with them till the end of the squad.
they invited me to stay in there homes if i ever make it over there,,and same here,,which i would love to visit europe norway and aussie,,i got online freinds in alot of countries,,and the only time i hear about hatred of america or any country,,is on this board!! bunch of country racist here. lol
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No GSholz. I'm not speaking about generations ago. The US has stepped up to the plate on many recent occasions, and has taken a lot of flak every time. The thing is, if they didnt step up they would be critisized as well. The bottom line is that other countries are jealous of their power, and will take shots at them no matter what the circumstances. I guess this is natural.
The question of the original poster was which side would you be on in the event of a clash with europe. He did not give any circumstances, so maybe the question was too open ended, which made my too simple. My answer stemmed from the world climate as see I today. The US busting their butts to keep the world safe while certain countries in Europe snip at them at every turn, while not contributing any constructive answers. An no, I dont get all my news from FOX.
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poor sholtzie... that big chip against the US must be about breaking his shoulder..
mechanic... so now you no longer feel that there will be a war where you will have to try to kill me when we invade your country?
lazs
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one of the strongest arguements for open
economic relationships with other countries is that it quickly negates the possibility of war.
we could not afford to go to war with japan, or europe...though im not sure about the kiwis...perhaps we should kick thier happy little assets.
nope. nevermind. they make sheep dont they?
hmmmmmm....
88
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Originally posted by lazs2
poor sholtzie... that big chip against the US must be about breaking his shoulder..
mechanic... so now you no longer feel that there will be a war where you will have to try to kill me when we invade your country?
lazs
why bother, the pointlessness of controlling the UK is the only reason no one ever invades Britain, its just not worth it.
stay in the middle east, theres better pickings there :)
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well, not recently, but hadrian had a wall.
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Well, Vidkun, whatever the “legitimacy” of origins of the Iraq conflict may be, one thing is clear. As a result of the invasion an extremely brutal dictator was removed from power. Additionally, the Iraqi people are going to get a chance to vote for a democratic form of government, a new future and the leaders to guide them for the first time in about 45 years.
Democracy won’t come easy; if they want it, they’ll have to be ready to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor (to borrow a phrase). Even if it’s won, it’ll be hard to keep. However, they’ll have a better chance at keeping it than we did.
On Iraqi Election Day, Iraqis are going to die because there are still brutal men that fear freedom. On Iraqi Election Day, American soldiers and their true Allies are going to die trying to safeguard Iraqi voters.
In some nations with long histories of free elections, the Iraqi elections will be sneered at, will be considered fraudulent. The citizens of these nations will go to bed criticizing the American effort and dismissing the Iraqi election as unimportant and meaningless.
In other countries, some still under brutal dictators, the elections will be closely observed and envied. They will remember broadcast images of American soldiers and their true Allies doing their best to make sure every Iraqi that has the courage to create a new future for his country is able to cast his ballot. The citizens of these nations will go to bed praying that the Americans and their true Allies will someday, somehow come to help them as well.
So, I’ll make these predictions:
Were war to come between the US and Europe, it will be started by the Europeans.
If it comes, Americans will be very glad that people like you are on the other side; it’s difficult to fight when you have to be watching your ally behind you as close as your enemy in front of you.
Lastly, your side will lose. Big time. Then we’ll forgive you and rebuild you back better than you were before and give you another chance at free elections and democracy.
Finally, as Colin said, we’ll bury our dead once again and go home.
(BTW, looks like you flunked reading newguy's mind. Maybe the correspondence course will refund your tuition.
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Originally posted by vorticon
the muslim christain war started 2000 years ago...other than a few minor lulls it hasnt stopped...
:rofl
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Paris Hilton
Michael Moore
Anna Nichol-Smith
Jerry Springer
ummm.... I'm sure theres many more, but I rest my case.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Nice tirade Benedict, pity this thread isn't about the Iraq war. A war between the USA and Europe would not be winnable. Nuclear wars rarely are.
IF there was a war between Europe and America it wouldnt come to nukes. Not unless the Euro's were foolish enough to toss the first nuke. Then Europe would be one huge radioactive mess. Let's assume the Euro's tossed the first nuke.....my money is on the French to do the tossing.
If I was Norwegian I wouldnt fight for the Euro's, all I would be is cannon fodder for the French and Germans.
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I think Superman could whip the sheet out of Spiderman.
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We could always do a USA vs the World scenario in aces high.
the start EST vs GMT start times would be the biggest battle :)
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Originally posted by Krusher
We could always do a USA vs the World scenario in aces high.
the start EST vs GMT start times would be the biggest battle :)
actually thats a bad idea.. there is only about 3 people on this board that fly anymore.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Nice tirade Benedict, pity this thread isn't about the Iraq war.
No, it's not about the Iraq war... but Iraq's a good example of what newguy was talking about. When those Iraqis finally go to vote for their own democratic government, what European country's soldiers other than England and Poland will be there in force to help them and protect them?
That'd be ............. none. Don't think the other non-democratic don't notice.
A war between the USA and Europe would not be winnable. Nuclear wars rarely are.
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Gotta laugh at that one in light of what most EU countries spend on defense.
Give us a few years, we'll have Starwars up and running... (and you won't) and your ICBM's.... oh... wait... you don't have any of those....
Well, we'll have a bunch of F-22's waiting for your intercontinental bombers.. oh... wait... you don't have any of those either.
Our military will be finally home waiting on the beaches for your invasion fleets.... oh....wait... you don't have any of those either.
It's highly unlikely any EU country will pay to build that stuff to any degree.
Anyway, thanks for the smiles, though! It must be a kewl dream for you. Maybe you could team up with the Dutch and kick our rears.
The reality is that most Euros and most Americans KNOW we'll never fight each other as you speculate.
It's only the tinfoil guys meeting secretly in the lead lined rooms over there that dream about it IMO.
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If you're thinking the US and the Brits will ever fight each other, you should sell the stuff you're smoking. You'll be rich.
Just ain't gonna happen.. duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. Us and the Brits... we're like..... joined at the hip.
The French? Well... I don't think we really consider them a threat. You really think they'll swap Paris and every other city over 25,000 population in France for a few US cities? Nah, they'll think about, shrug and light another Gauloise and forget about it.
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worldwide defense spending (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm)
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Originally posted by GScholz
*lol* So I'm the one with "war fantasies" now?
Definitely, if you think the Brits and the US are ever going to fight each other militarily.
Most definitely if you think the French would fight the US for any reason. They're WAY too smart for that. They might let you frisky Norsk, Swedes and Finns start it and watch you get driven into the ground like tent pegs and then come take all your women. THAT might happen.
I guess I don't think you're having fantasies... I think you're just delusional. It won't ever happen and if you were foolish enough to start it you'd lose. Period. Just look at your defense budgets.. and those will continue to shrink.
Anyways, I see you're running back to the British again Benedict. Old habits die hard.
Nope; we never left them. Proud of it too. Look at the aftermath of the wars we did fight with them; best buddies again in no time. Most of us see the Brits as "us"... they just have a funny accent and live kinda too far to come for Thanksgiving.
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Doctor Strangelove glee club.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
worldwide defense spending (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm)
I dunno about you guys, but I find it hard to believe that Australia spends more on defence than Israel.
Not saying that that chart is wrong, just saying Wow!, that's peculiar.
Wonder what the hell they spend it all on? We are still using F-111s, FA/18As, Hueys, Caribous, M113 tin cans and Leopard II tanks.
Mebbe Steyr Augs and Jellybean camo cost a lot to make?
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Originally posted by Bluedog
I dunno about you guys, but I find it hard to believe that Australia spends more on defence than Israel.
Not saying that that chart is wrong, just saying Wow!, that's peculiar.
Wonder what the hell they spend it all on? We are still using F-111s, FA/18As, Hueys, Caribous, M113 tin cans and Leopard II tanks.
Mebbe Steyr Augs and Jellybean camo cost a lot to make?
Old systems cost alot to maintain sometimes ....anyhow those new Tigers/Aegis destroyers cost plenty, and eventually the cost of running those M-1 Abrams will be soaking up plenty of the armys budget
Tronsky
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Actually, I just did a quick Google on Aussie mil spending, and it appears that you are pretty much on the mark there Tronski....new destroyers and frigates, new attack hellicopters, some new missile system and the Jindalee radar setup are what soaks up most of the funds., along with ongoing upgrades on the Hornets, Chinooks, Hueys and Blackhawks.
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Krusher said
"Oh and your food sucks !"
I think he was talking about our lovely choice of food in the UK.
I'd just like to say thanks for the cuisine of the USA!
"McDonalds!:rolleyes: KFC:rolleyes: Soggy thin Pizzas:rolleyes: "
Many many thanks
:rofl
I'll take the roast beef and yorkshire pud, the great fry up and some luverly fish and chips please.
(Then I'll have to live on salad fior the rest of the year so I don't end up looking like a supersizer!)
;)
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Krusher said
I'll take the roast beef and yorkshire pud, the great fry up and some luverly fish and chips please.
(Then I'll have to live on salad fior the rest of the year so I don't end up looking like a supersizer!)
;)
Oh yea I recall all the conversations I have had with friends where we wanted to go to dinner together.
"Hey guys lets go get some Brit food"
OK, raise your hands if your favorite "out for dinner" place serves Yorkshire pud ?
:rofl
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Interesting thread. Not sure what Brit food is though.
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don't forget them deep dish plates so that your breakfast can swim in 1/2" of grease. I had fish and chips there and they were worse than long john silvers fast food is here. the best thing I found about brit food was that there wasn't any.... every resteraunt I seen had a different foreign theme.
mechanic... do you or don't you think that the US will have to destroy the next euro tyrant?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
don't forget them deep dish plates so that your breakfast can swim in 1/2" of grease. I had fish and chips there and they were worse than long john silvers fast food is here. the best thing I found about brit food was that there wasn't any.... every resteraunt I seen had a different foreign theme.
mechanic... do you or don't you think that the US will have to destroy the next euro tyrant?
lazs
iirc, Long John Silver's uses an Alaskan fish that is odorless & tasteless. All the "flavor" is in the batter. Personally, I stick to the chicken planks.
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Originally posted by lazs2
don't forget them deep dish plates so that your breakfast can swim in 1/2" of grease. I had fish and chips there and they were worse than long john silvers fast food is here. the best thing I found about brit food was that there wasn't any.... every resteraunt I seen had a different foreign theme.
mechanic... do you or don't you think that the US will have to destroy the next euro tyrant?
lazs
I know that the US was critical in destroying the last one so if that situation should repeat itself, my first thoughts would be Yes, we would need your help.
although we would probably all die of food posioning first wouldnt you think?
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I feel that brits and Scotts are imune to food poisoning.
lazs
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iirc, Long John Silver's uses an Alaskan fish that is odorless & tasteless.
um whats wrong with alaskan fish? nothing besides it cost more and taste better,,i dont care what anyone says,,i had alaskan halibit and local halibit,,alaskan is twice as tasty and twice as fresh. and why does it cost more? because its better,, same with alaskan salmon,,the local stuff here will allmost make you sick it taste so gross,,now when my freinds come down from aslaska with salmon,,yum yum,,somthing about being rasied in cold water up there,,makes the meat taste that much better
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but as for long johns,,there fish isnt really good example of alaskan fish,,i like moe's on the coast,,cost more,,but food is well worth it.
i never eat at a fast food fish place,,lol ewwwwwwwwwww:rolleyes:
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Mechanic - you really should try that pizza restaurant in High Wycombe - park in the big car park by the bus station, then walk back into town and it's on the right in that street.
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Pizza Express?
love it, take the misses there regularly :)
American Hot is by far the tastiest pizza.
Pepperoni and hot jalepenoes. good beer also.
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Originally posted by mechanic
Pizza Express?
love it, take the misses there regularly :)
American Hot is by far the tastiest pizza.
Pepperoni and hot jalepenoes. good beer also.
No! Not Pizza Bleedin' Express - the authentic Italian one!
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Lazs I think you might find that we were the only guys that stood up to the last Euro mega tyrant intialy. You lot only joined in three years later! So please don't take all the credit for sorting out that funny Austrian corporal.
Of course none of us stood up to Milosovich properly to all our eternal shame. ( I believe he was Europes last mini tyrant ) Well until it was too late anyway. planes on their own don't count as you know troops on the ground are what matters.
As for our greasy breakfasts you havent had a proper one as yet by the sounds of it. And Fish and chips is an institution not like your bland, everywhere you go it tastes the same fast food gunk! lollol
:aok
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Originally posted by beet1e
No! Not Pizza Bleedin' Express - the authentic Italian one!
bella pasta?? :)
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Actually, I just did a quick Google on Aussie mil spending, and it appears that you are pretty much on the mark there Tronski....new destroyers and frigates, new attack hellicopters, some new missile system and the Jindalee radar setup are what soaks up most of the funds., along with ongoing upgrades on the Hornets, Chinooks, Hueys and Blackhawks.
It is surprising when you really have a look... 5 new A330 Tankers, 737 Wedgetail AEW, $1bn for 12 new MRH-90 troop lift helicopters, new airborne cruise missile system etc etc...
Tronsky
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Of course none of us stood up to Milosovich properly to all our eternal shame. ( I believe he was Europes last mini tyrant )
Just watch for Berlusconi.
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Originally posted by mechanic
bella pasta?? :)
No, it's called L'Artista, and it's in Oxford St. right opposite the John Hearn shoe shop. Had lunch there today. :)
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Originally posted by beet1e
No, it's called L'Artista, and it's in Oxford St. right opposite the John Hearn shoe shop. Had lunch there today. :)
yeah, i havnt been there yet, it must be new, i dont go into wycombe more than i have to. you'll have to let me know next time, i'll buy you a beer in town.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Interesting thread. Not sure what Brit food is though.
Curry.
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mechanic... Where did I give the US sole credit for winning WWII... we stayed out to let you savages sort out your latest mega slaughter till it spilled over to us and then we finished it.
and.... I find it amusing that someone from the land of pudding and boiled chicken is complaining about US pizza being bland.
I didn't find one good mexican resteraunt in england either.
lazs
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curry is indian isnt it?
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Originally posted by lazs2
mechanic... Where did I give the US sole credit for winning WWII... we stayed out to let you savages sort out your latest mega slaughter till it spilled over to us and then we finished it.
and.... I find it amusing that someone from the land of pudding and boiled chicken is complaining about US pizza being bland.
I didn't find one good mexican resteraunt in england either.
lazs
i didnt imply that the you said this did I?
and it was beetle who complained about your pizza i think.
curry is indian.
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Originally posted by mechanic
curry is indian.
I thought corn, potatos and Buffalo was Indian.
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Originally posted by lazs2
mechanic... Where did I give the US sole credit for winning WWII... we stayed out to let you savages sort out your latest mega slaughter till it spilled over to us and then we finished it.
and.... I find it amusing that someone from the land of pudding and boiled chicken is complaining about US pizza being bland.
I didn't find one good mexican resteraunt in england either.
lazs
Why the hell did you search a Mexican restaurant in England when best and tastiest foreign food is Indian/Paki ?
And btw English cuisine pre-Victoria is decent and pretty on par with traditionnal cuisine
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I thought corn, potatos and Buffalo was Indian.
Aren't corn and postatoes more mexican ?
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Aztecs and Mayans are Indians...
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I don't know of a decent Mexican restaurant in England, just as I didn't know of a decent Indian curry restaurant in California when I lived there. I went to one place in San Francisco and ordered the hottest dish on the menu, and it was mild/bland. (And I'm not a vindaloo man - I like madras/dhansak, but not much hotter) However, things move on and I found a pretty damned decent Indian restaurant in New York - the India Garden at 624 Amsterdam (at W90th St.) for anyone who knows that area.
Mechanic - sure, we can meet at L'Artista sometime. You can tell me what I'm missing in AH these days.
You guys know how I like to tease the yanks and get 'em all ruffled up - ;) - but it has to be said that we could not have won WW2 without them. I know that, and Churchill knew it.
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I tried curry once and it was just terrible for me. I like fairly bland food.... not so bland as english boiled chicken bland but not so spicy as really spicy mexican food.
lazs
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i used to eat at this indian restaurant where the cook, jasvir, would ask...you want that "spicy", "sexy spicy", or "burn ass?"
it was very funny with his accent.
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Here's a tip for dining in the U.S.:
If you go to an Indian Food restaurant and there's no Indians there... it's not an Indian Food restaurant.
If you go to a Korean restaurant and there's no Koreans there, it's not a Korean restaurant.
If you go to a Japanese restaurant and there's no Japanese there, it's not a Japanese restaurant.
If you go to a Mexican restaurant and you're the only anglo there... it's a good time to leave.
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lmao @ JB88 and MiniD
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mini... we have tame mexicans here in Dixon... in fact... I keep a female one here around the house..
lazs
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Originally posted by Toad
No, it's not about the Iraq war... but Iraq's a good example of what newguy was talking about. When those Iraqis finally go to vote for their own democratic government, what European country's soldiers other than England and Poland will be there in force to help them and protect them?
That'd be ............. none. Don't think the other non-democratic don't notice.
Someone forgot Poland.....
You are forgetting someone else, mr. Toad.
As usual you are pissing on people siding (and risking) with your boys down there.