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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SOB on January 07, 2005, 12:23:07 PM
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"Sir, put your hands behind your back!"
"NO! BLARRGGGHHH"
ZZZZAAAAP!
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=tazered.wmv
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waste of a good set of Duracells.
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Thank you sir, may I have another?!
Heh, wonder how many it took to make him piss his pants?
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Classic. :D
It may hurt, but it is better than an ASP or a MagLite to the head.
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"I CAN'T !!!! ... YOU FUGGIN' HAMMERED ME !!! ... :rofl
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I think that is not very funny... It hurt like hell.
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I haven't always seen things eye to eye with the cops, but the time to argue is in court.
how hard is it to understand that the proper response to any man with a gun is "yes sir"?
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I wonder what the cop did between 01:12:22 and 01:13:24 that they had to edit out before they could release the video?
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HAHAHAHAHAH LOL that is priceless.
"I'm right here" lolh
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Good Video - Oldie but a goodie. That guy took 5 / 6 hits, pretty good for a drunk. I took a full 5 second dart hit during training last march and it certainly didn't tickle. My all time favorite is still "The Bull".
The Bull (http://www.taser.com/law/video/high/bull_512k.mov)
Other Taser Videos (http://www.taser.com/law/videos.htm)
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
how hard is it to understand that the proper response to any man with a gun is "yes sir"?
I think thats signature material right there bucko!
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
I wonder what the cop did between 01:12:22 and 01:13:24 that they had to edit out before they could release the video?
He stood there and gave verbal commands while listening to the drunks slobbering and partially incomprehensable mix of whining and threats. It was edited out because it's boring.
Zaphod
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
I wonder what the cop did between 01:12:22 and 01:13:24 that they had to edit out before they could release the video?
Probably replaced with fresh batteries.
NUTTZ
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Originally posted by NUTTZ
Probably replaced with fresh batteries.
NUTTZ
Biggest problem with the weapon - getting guys to check and replace the batteries.
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hmmm he got what he desvered.
Moral of story is dont **** with the cops, especially when you are alone!
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That guy is a pretty typical beligerant drunk, slow learner too.
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To you law enforcment types:
I observed that the guy was trying to get back into his truck and drive off. Knowing that the guy is drunk and might kill somone, what force would then be authorized to restrain him outside of the taser that we witnessed?
PS that was awsome!
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Originally posted by EN4CER
Good Video - Oldie but a goodie. That guy took 5 / 6 hits, pretty good for a drunk. I took a full 5 second dart hit during training last march and it certainly didn't tickle. My all time favorite is still "The Bull".
The Bull (http://www.taser.com/law/video/high/bull_512k.mov)
Other Taser Videos (http://www.taser.com/law/videos.htm)
Dam that bull looked PISSED!
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GS,
Once the Trooper told him he was under arrest any "reasonable" physical force is authorized. Once he squared off and physically resisted he was now in the area of assaulting an Officer, instant felon, and the force continuum goes on. If he got into the vehicle that would be extremely bad and tantamount to having a deadly weapon. If he threatened to use it as a weapon deadly force would be authorized.
Frankly the tazer was the absolute best weapon to use to get compliance. No injury to the Officer or to the suspect, unlike a fight would be.
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I found that whole clip disgusting.
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Are typical beligerant drunks typically so hard to body slam on the ground and cuff before they almost get back in their truck and drive away? If they are, he should have started lighting him up from the get go. Would have been another 15 seconds of comedy, and all that heavy breathing wouldn't have covered up those comical grunts from 'ol boy resisting.
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Originally posted by Creamo
Are typical beligerant drunks typically so hard to body slam on the ground and cuff before they almost get back in their truck and drive away? If they are, he should have started lighting him up from the get go. Would have been another 15 seconds of comedy, and all that heavy breathing wouldn't have covered up those comical grunts from 'ol boy resisting.
I don't think its a matter of "hard" but risky. He could have slammed the guy but the risk of injurry to either one icreases ten fold the longer the struggle goes on
also if I'm not mistaken there's a minimum safe distance the officer has to be and that two people touching while one gets tazered and both would feel it.
Watching some of the other videos it seems like tazer is pretty good as far as eliminating somones will to resist further.
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The officer did a GREAT job!
If he had of wrestle with the guy the drunk moron might have gotten the officers gun and that would have been bad.
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I think he should have used the duracells in his flashlight up against that *******s head.
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Originally posted by Lizking
I think he should have used the duracells in his flashlight up against that *******s head.
LOL he could have.
But he acted like a pro hats off to him for keeping his cool.
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Originally posted by EN4CER
Good Video - Oldie but a goodie. That guy took 5 / 6 hits, pretty good for a drunk. I took a full 5 second dart hit during training last march and it certainly didn't tickle. My all time favorite is still "The Bull".
The Bull (http://www.taser.com/law/video/high/bull_512k.mov)
Other Taser Videos (http://www.taser.com/law/videos.htm)
Has anyone put the bull video on the PETA board? :p
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Originally posted by EN4CER The Bull (http://www.taser.com/law/video/high/bull_512k.mov)[/B]
That was ****ing cruel.
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Originally posted by Octavius
That was ****ing cruel.
not really....it's done to humans all the time. It was a test of the "animal taser"
Not to pick on you oct but people complain about tests like this but what they don't realize is that the bull is fine. What's more is the fact that these tests helped develop a method of taking down animals without hurting them. Lets say that a bull has gone wild and they cant get a tranquilizer in him or any animal running through the streets for that matter. This allows you to take the animal down without hurting it or killing it.
The same approach has been applied to humans. It allows police to subdue "SUSPECTS" with out injury to them or the arresting officer.
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Hey, if they captured that video when the bull was happily mauling someone, then I'd be all for it. It was in a pen and they purposely fired on it to show off their product.
Dont confuse my last post with PETA :)
I'd rather see it done to a human in a pen. entardtainment!
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Originally posted by Octavius
That was ****ing cruel.
Gotta agree...what earthly use is there for an 'animal tazer'??
If you cannot control an animal without the use of high voltage charges, then you have no bussiness being anywhere near that animal.
If the situation warrants full on removal of an animal because it is endangering life or property, you should shoot it with a weapon that keeps the animal down once you let go of the trigger.
If you want the animal removed, but alive, use a tranquilizer gun, every vet has one.
See how that bull immediately jumped to his feet and charged? What good would that thing do you if the pen didnt stop him?
Cruel, sadistic, and as that bull leaping instantly to his feet and charging demonstrates, absolutely useless for it's intended use, it's just gonna turn him from 2 tonne of muscle, into 2 tonne of extremely pissed off muscle that will charge your stupid arse as soon as the current stops.
Sure, you could hit him again, but those batteries aint gonna last forever, and old man bull might look slow and dopey, but stamina certainly isnt his weak point.
Definately the bee's knees as far as subduing unweildy humans goes though :)
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Gotta agree...what earthly use is there for an 'animal tazer'??
If you cannot control an animal without the use of high voltage charges, then you have no bussiness being anywhere near that animal.
If the situation warrants full on removal of an animal because it is endangering life or property, you should shoot it with a weapon that keeps the animal down once you let go of the trigger.
If you want the animal removed, but alive, use a tranquilizer gun, every vet has one.
See how that bull immediately jumped to his feet and charged? What good would that thing do you if the pen didnt stop him?
Cruel, sadistic, and as that bull leaping instantly to his feet and charging demonstrates, absolutely useless for it's intended use, it's just gonna turn him from 2 tonne of muscle, into 2 tonne of extremely pissed off muscle that will charge your stupid arse as soon as the current stops.
Sure, you could hit him again, but those batteries aint gonna last forever, and old man bull might look slow and dopey, but stamina certainly isnt his weak point.
LOL, :rofl :rofl :rofl
no, you're right. any decent handler could have him rolling over and begging for table scraps. :rolleyes:
most owners really frown on destroying a stud bull worth thousands of dollars, simply because he's pissed and acting up. it's a bull, that's what they do. they are always pissed, always acting up, and always dangerous. the ones that are mild mannered and easy to handle are few and far between, and often get over it without warning.
a tool that gives you control of him instantly without destroying him or without the danger and delayed action of a tranquilizer is a God send to anyone who handles large animals.
as far as him getting up, just hit him again. electricity is a wonderful teacher and even the dumbest creature will get it eventually.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
also if I'm not mistaken there's a minimum safe distance the officer has to be and that two people touching while one gets tazered and both would feel it.
You can hold on to someone who's getting tazered, as long as you don't touch between the two probes. Of course, touching either of the wires is also a bad thing.
That's how we did it in the police academy - a spotter holding each arm, two probes in the torso. The only spotters that got shocked were the ones who touched the wires.
ed: ugh, that zapzapzap noise brings back bad memories. :)
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Gotta agree...what earthly use is there for an 'animal tazer'??
If you cannot control an animal without the use of high voltage charges, then you have no bussiness being anywhere near that animal.
I agree that it's cruel to use it as a training meathod or as a punishment tool BUT The section I quoted I gotta say something about.
What about electric fences? I grew up in Nebraska and had a cow pasture that was behind my back yard. Further up in the pasture was an electric fenced area. I dont know why it was electric but the cows stayed the hell away from it.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I agree that it's cruel to use it as a training meathod or as a punishment tool BUT The section I quoted I gotta say something about.
What about electric fences? I grew up in Nebraska and had a cow pasture that was behind my back yard. Further up in the pasture was an electric fenced area. I dont know why it was electric but the cows stayed the hell away from it.
Peed on an electric fence once the key word there is once.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Peed on an electric fence once the key word there is once.
What's even funnier is if you have one that phases in an out. Somone with a trained ear can hear it. Its on for a couple seconds and off for a seconds. Take a buddy up there and just strike up a conversation with him. out of the blue (to him) put your hands on the fence casually but remove them before the buzz comes back. Through out the conversation do this and eventually he'll think its safe and grab it when its "hot"
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Originally posted by Tarmac
You can hold on to someone who's getting tazered, as long as you don't touch between the two probes. Of course, touching either of the wires is also a bad thing.
That's how we did it in the police academy - a spotter holding each arm, two probes in the torso. The only spotters that got shocked were the ones who touched the wires.
ed: ugh, that zapzapzap noise brings back bad memories. :)
interesting.....the ground loop must go back to the tazer then otherwise anyone in physical contact with the person getting tazered SHOULD have current flow going through them. I gotta say the gun is amazing!
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Cows yeah, that bull?...dunno that i would like to have an electric fence as the only thing between me and him :)
Allthough its only the animal's sex that differs, cows are a whole differant kettle of fish than an enraged bull.
I agree that for dealing with crims, or violent people or whatever, yep, it's a great tool....does the job without anyone being exessively hurt, I just cant think of any situation that would make it a viable option for use on animals, in every case I can think of there is a better, or more effective way to deal with the animal, that being, A) a real bullet, right between the eyes, or B) a tranquilizer dart.
And either of those would only be used when just a couple cowboys on horses, with a few well trained working dogs cant do the job.
Mostly I have this opinion because of the fact that the bull leapt straight to his feet, there didnt appear to be any long, or for that matter, short term effect once the current stopped....it just isnt enough weapon for the job of fully controlling, or removing an animal like that bull, it is however plenty enough to get him right royally pissed off at you.
That bull in the vid had only one thought on his mind when he got up, and it wasn't "Holy snapping ducksnot batman!! I've been tazered, I better stay down or they'll do it again"
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Cows yeah, that bull?...dunno that i would like to have an electric fence as the only thing between me and him :)
Allthough its only the animal's sex that differs, cows are a whole differant kettle of fish than an enraged bull.
I agree that for dealing with crims, or violent people or whatever, yep, it's a great tool....does the job without anyone being exessively hurt, I just cant think of any situation that would make it a viable option for use on animals, in every case I can think of there is a better, or more effective way to deal with the animal, that being, A) a real bullet, right between the eyes, or B) a tranquilizer dart.
And either of those would only be used when just a couple cowboys on horses, with a few well trained working dogs cant do the job.
Mostly I have this opinion because of the fact that the bull leapt straight to his feet, there didnt appear to be any long, or for that matter, short term effect once the current stopped....it just isnt enough weapon for the job of fully controlling, or removing an animal like that bull, it is however plenty enough to get him right royally pissed off at you.
That bull in the vid had only one thought on his mind when he got up, and it wasn't "Holy snapping ducksnot batman!! I've been tazered, I better stay down or they'll do it again"
What sucks is I know people are going to end up using this a punishment type tool wich is totally wrong.
But for something to just carry on your person to get you out of they way of harm if need be I think it would work on bulls.
A more practical application would be pitbulls and/or dangerous dogs in general. Tranqs dont work quick enough an this might just give you enough time to get a choke collar on him and get him in a cage. practicing on dogs though probably isnt good PR though. Hell practicing on any animal isnt good PR if you ask me.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
interesting.....the ground loop must go back to the tazer then otherwise anyone in physical contact with the person getting tazered SHOULD have current flow going through them. I gotta say the gun is amazing!
Did you see the vid where the bloke had been hit with 40mm baton rounds, and had the dog hanging off him when they fired the Tazer?
I was wondering why the hell it didnt frazzle the dog too, since it was attahed to his arm while the current was flowing.
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Originally posted by Zaphod
He stood there and gave verbal commands while listening to the drunks slobbering and partially incomprehensable mix of whining and threats. It was edited out because it's boring.
Zaphod
ZAP im glad to see you do read the fourms .......... and give your insight!
1 questioni have is that ........... the police using these things have they been hit with them?(most likely yes) and have they been hit repeatedly like in the videos? can they put there arms behind there backs after geting ZAPPPED (no pun intened LOL) ????
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Originally posted by boxboy28
ZAP im glad to see you do read the fourms .......... and give your insight!
1 questioni have is that ........... the police using these things have they been hit with them?(most likely yes) and have they been hit repeatedly like in the videos? can they put there arms behind there backs after geting ZAPPPED (no pun intened LOL) ????
good question actually. I actually doubt that law enforcment types have been hit one after another with them. as far as arm usage don't know either.
I do know I heard on the news that police had killed somone recently w/ a tazer. Turns out afet autopsy he actually died of the massive amounts of cocain he had in his system.
What kills me is I can see somone sueing this company for having a relative killed by a tazer. To me you have to be doing somthing pretty bad to be tazered (MOST OF THE TIME) or your law suit should be against the police. Non or less than lethal weapons have changed the face of law enforcement over the last 10 years and these weapons IMHO save WAY more people than they are likely to take.
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Yeah that's almost as funny as the drunk that died from a heart attack after Ft.Worth P.D. tazer'ed him 3 times. Who'da thunk electric shock can cause cardiac arrest?
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Don't stop Gunslingers wannabe copper parade. He was just getting to unstoppable bbs knowhow velocity.
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Well according to Amnesty International 74 people have died in the U.S. and Canada from Tazers since 2001. The problem I see developing is that law enforcement people are not fully comprehending that Tazers are capable of killing. Law enforcement agencies are using Tazers more and more for minor infractions. The following link is a good read.
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGAMR511392004
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Funny....
Officer told theguy everything that was going to happen before he did it and all he had to do was just lie still.
Lead a horse to water but you cant make'm drink.
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I did a ride along with the local Sheriffs Department tonight and it was a blast. I was hoping that some ******* would be difficult and get tazered, but no such luck. So its currently a toss up between the cracked out lady with crystal meth on her or the three Illegal Immigrants stuffed into a trunk that takes the case as best stop.
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Originally posted by Bluedog
Did you see the vid where the bloke had been hit with 40mm baton rounds, and had the dog hanging off him when they fired the Tazer?
I was wondering why the hell it didnt frazzle the dog too, since it was attahed to his arm while the current was flowing.
If the dog was haning and not touching the ground then he wasnt grounded. So the current would have just passed through him with no effect, more than likely the dog was on the arm and the current was flowing through the body, but I never saw the video just my thought.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I agree that it's cruel to use it as a training meathod or as a punishment tool BUT The section I quoted I gotta say something about.
What about electric fences? I grew up in Nebraska and had a cow pasture that was behind my back yard. Further up in the pasture was an electric fenced area. I dont know why it was electric but the cows stayed the hell away from it.
Not knowing what it was,I grabbed hold of one once when I was a kid.
It'll get your attention thats for sure.
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Originally posted by rpm
Yeah that's almost as funny as the drunk that died from a heart attack after Ft.Worth P.D. tazer'ed him 3 times. Who'da thunk electric shock can cause cardiac arrest?
From what I was told by a doctor
Any electrical shock is capable of causing cardiac arrest.
Particularly if you have a heart condition to begin with.
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Originally posted by rpm
Yeah that's almost as funny as the drunk that died from a heart attack after Ft.Worth P.D. tazer'ed him 3 times. Who'da thunk electric shock can cause cardiac arrest?
It’s the amps that kill and the Taser M26 and the X26 are 4 one thousandth of 1 amp. Yes, the weapons deliver 50,000 volts / 26 watts but the amps are way below the limit the cause’s cardiac arrest. You need about 3 amps or better (depending on person size) to kill a person. I have to shake my head to the fact that over 50,000 police officers world wide have taken a hit with the Taser during training and all of them are alive. I personally have been hit 5 times with the weapon. Unfortunately to date 100+ bad guys have died while being arrested and a Taser was deployed (Majority died later on - not during use). All of them - drug users / intoxicated, etc. Of course their families lawyered up but Taser International did 10 years of research before putting their product on the market. All of the lawsuits so far have been swatted away like watching one of Andre Agassi's backhands. Point being RPM - No medical examiner or court of law in this country has yet to declare the M26 or the X26 as the cause of death. I get the law enforcement legal documents from the company every month as well as training updates. I'm the lead instructor for my department regarding the weapon so I have to stay up to date on it.
Originally posted by KBall
Well according to Amnesty International 74 people have died in the U.S. and Canada from Tazers since 2001. The problem I see developing is that law enforcement people are not fully comprehending that Tazers are capable of killing. Law enforcement agencies are using Tazers more and more for minor infractions. The following link is a good read.
Read the above - Want the legal and medical bulletins from the Company for the real facts? - No MEDICAL EXAMINER or COURT OF LAW in this country has declared the M26 or X26 Taser as the cause of death. Funny - when ABC news did their ANTI-Taser special a few months back they refused to interview any of the 500 medical doctors and experts that back and support the Taser. Perhaps it would have put a damper on their anti-taser / anti-cop propoganda special.
Originally posted by Bluedog
Gotta agree...what earthly use is there for an 'animal tazer'??
If you cannot control an animal without the use of high voltage charges, then you have no bussiness being anywhere near that animal.
I don't believe they have put the Animal Taser on market yet - It was supposed to be for Animal Control Officers. Problem they have with it is the same as on the video - the recovery rate is instantaneous and usually ended up pissing the animal off even more. Assisting Officers could not go near the animal while it was on the ground being tazed because the volts and amps are a lot higher with this model. There is a great video of an M26 Taser being used against a Rottweiler. It’s not up on their website yet so I might post it here on my own. The dog probably would have been shot if the cop didn't have the taser on him.
All the above aside here's a good question for the OC BB Group.
Should civilians be allowed to carry Tasers? Just so you know - You can in amost every state except for the New England Area (NY. NJ, MA, etc.) and a few other stragglers. Heres the kicker too - The Law Enforcement model delivers a charge for 5 seconds (it can interuppted by safety switch) when you pull the trigger. You can deliver a charge past the 5 second period if you pull the trigger and hold it down. My department trains for 5 second burst. The civilian model is designed to deliver a 90 second burst once the trigger is pulled - so the civilian can shock their assailant, drop the weapon, and run away. It does not operate at the same volatage / watt level as the law enforcement / military model.
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Originally posted by EN4CER
Good Video - Oldie but a goodie. That guy took 5 / 6 hits, pretty good for a drunk. I took a full 5 second dart hit during training last march and it certainly didn't tickle. My all time favorite is still "The Bull".
The Bull (http://www.taser.com/law/video/high/bull_512k.mov)
Other Taser Videos (http://www.taser.com/law/videos.htm)
LMAO!!!
The bull video really needs to find it's way to the PETA BBS....LOL
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Originally posted by rpm
Yeah that's almost as funny as the drunk that died from a heart attack after Ft.Worth P.D. tazer'ed him 3 times. Who'da thunk electric shock can cause cardiac arrest?
and your solution would be take them off the market and go back to the old fasion way of doing things that would result in more officer/suspect injuries/deaths?
nothing is going to be completly non-leathal and deaths are going to happen. Recently in boston an innocent bystandard was hit in the face w/ a CS canister or somthing. She was killed and the officers that were firing into an unruley croud were devistated as a result. These cops don't want to kill people but to me it should be the Unruley croud that should be blamed not the cops.
The second you start resisting arrest you risk death or injury.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Recently in boston an innocent bystandard was hit in the face w/ a CS canister or somthing. She was killed and the officers that were firing into an unruley croud were devistated as a result. These cops don't want to kill people but to me it should be the Unruley croud that should be blamed not the cops.
It was a Pepper Ball Gun GS. Same concept as a paintball gun. Suppossedly a bad lot of ammo for the weapon. My department was just about to make the purchase and test it out until this incident arose.
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Yeah, I guess it's easier to fire a pepper ball weapon or use a tazer than it it to outnumber and wrestle a suspect to the ground. The "but the officer might get hurt" arguement does not fly with me. They knew the hazards of the job when they took the job. Maybe the corrupt Sheriff's Department we had here for 40+ years has soured me a bit.
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Heh, 50 cops and a unruly crowd of 2000 people... "outnumber and wrestle to the ground"? Haha.
I don't think any cop should put his life in danger for the benefit of someone who is breaking the law or endangering others. That's totally unreasonable. Why should the lawbreaker get more consideration than the person we hired to protect our safety and enforce the law? If the cops are corrupt, hire new cops. Requiring the cop to put his life in danger for the benefit of a violent, criminal, or irrational person is immoral.
Giving the cop less-than-lethal options and also allowing them the option of using them in lieu of risking their own life is the right thing to do, period. It gives a cop in a bad situation an alternative to risking his own life or killing someone who probably doesn't really need killing but is endangering himself or other people.
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Simmer down eagl. I was speaking of the lone drunk, not the mob. Fire hoses would have worked well in that scenario.
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I guess I was confused by the earlier reference to the girl in the crowd that died when she got hit by a pepperball, and your statement about pepperballs. Sorry :)
Still, even when it's one perp and a half dozen cops, why should the cops risk a knife in the chest out of consideration for the perp's health? A perp with a knife is going to get shot dead if the cops don't have less than lethal options and the authority to use them. It's not the easy way out, it's the safe way out. If a guy is so hopped up on coke that his heart stops when he gets tazered, then really that's just too bad. My dad saw a guy on meth break a set of standard cuffs. It broke every bone in the guys's wrists, but it also broke the cuffs. They shot one guy high on something 11 times in the chest before a round hit his spine and he dropped. He had a knife. Sure, 10 cops could have jumped on the guy and maybe taken a few losses in the name of public safety, but that's what they signed up for, right?
Wrong. Give them a tazer and let them use it when the other option is to either risk the cop's life or shoot the guy dead. Pepperballs and 40mm baton rounds are supposed to be even one step further down the lethality scale, but a shot to the head can still kill. When it comes down to consideration for a criminal or the cop, I'm pretty much on the cop's side so it's the duty of our society to make sure the cops have less than lethal tools so he can protect us without unreasonably risking himself.
As for the unfortunate girl in the crowd, that's a tragedy. But you know, I don't join mobs or crowds confrontating cops any more than I run with the bulls in Pamplona or chase tornados with a camera. Shxt happens when participating in dangerous activities. I'm a fighter pilot and I know damn well I could die anytime due to a violent act, a criminal act, an act of war, an act of god, simple negligence, or a simple mistake. It's a risk I accept when I engage in that activity. Joining a mob confronting a cop carries a risk and only an idiot needs a warning label to point this out. That girl was in the wrong damn place at the wrong damn time and she shouldn't have been killed, but the fact remains that she was in an area of increased risk and the whims of the fates determined that she would die that day.
Even a 7 yr old with a knife ought to get whacked with something. I'm sure as hell not going to try to grab a freaked out kid with a knife... If he needs controlling, I'm not going to go in with my bare hands unless he's my own kid. If someone else has to control my kid in such a situation, it's my own damn fault for not bringing him up properly.
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There are hundreds of other options besides electric shock. It's simply the easy way out.
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The other options are usually violent and have their own risk of fatal injury. Even the new super sticky or super slippery goo tools can't prevent someone from harming themselves or a hostage, but a tazer will freeze them instantly.
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Apparently not, if they have to use it over and over.
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Originally posted by rpm
There are hundreds of other options besides electric shock. It's simply the easy way out.
List some for me please - I'd love to hear them - might be able to show my guys something new at Defensive Tactics Training. Regarding getting shocked multiple times - CHECKING THE BATTERIES and making sure they have enough power is the biggest problem with the Taser. No different than getting cops to try and clean their guns. At full charge 1 hit, maybe 2 and it’s all over with a Taser. 95% of perps after they had 1 taste of it - they submit.
Originally posted by rpm
Apparently not if they have to use it over and over
The recovery time after a taser strike depends on the individual. Get a highly motivated subject, compound that with weak batteries, and you’re in for trouble if you deploy the Taser. That’s why Taser International came out with the X26 last year. It has a digital readout in the back of the gun that displays the percentage of power left in the battery. It’s a nice feature so the Officer knows whether or not he's got to change the battery before he fires the weapon.
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How about simply overpowering the drunk with manpower? It seems to work on COPS all the time.
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Originally posted by rpm
How about simply overpowering the drunk with manpower? It seems to work on COPS all the time.
Sometimes the utilizing the "Blue Octopus" as we call it is not always best. Someone usually gets hurt and besides you may not have that type of manpower available to you. Some small police jobs only have 2 or 3 cops covering x amount of square miles. Many times my own back up (1 guy) has been 10 minutes away. Again your getting into a wrestling situation that we're looking to avoid if possible.
Side Bar - Time Out - Taking a break RPM. Time to watch the Home Team make an attempt at a wild card spot. I've got my fingers crossed but I don't think Chad Pennington can pull the rabbit out of San Diego's hat. San Diego probably will stuff him in the hat.
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rpm,
Cops are paid to accept risks they cannot avoid while performing their job. Wrestling a drunk and injuring him as well as themselves is not a good option when a taser is available. Especially just because you don't like it. No Officer is paid to get injured or killed, that it might happen is understood but that is not their job. If you had ever done the job I imagine even you would understand that.
Grappling with an arrestee brings you in obvious close combat with an exceptional risk of injury or death if the suspect gets to your gun. As soon as you start to grapple with him you immediately place the weapon in arms reach. Dumb move if you have an alternative.
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Mav, my whole point is using a device that obviously has the capability to disrupt and possibly stop his heartbeat is wrong. Find another way.
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Originally posted by rpm
How about simply overpowering the drunk with manpower? It seems to work on COPS all the time.
By the way RPM - Thats one and counting - a few hundred more to go. :D
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I see no problem with tasers for the police. but I also believe on very strict penalties for using one when it is unneeded. or to keep shocking people after they are done. that vid looks alright to me. but if a cop does use it essive or when it is not needed. I think they should be fired and thrown in jail, no second chances.
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Originally posted by rpm
Mav, my whole point is using a device that obviously has the capability to disrupt and possibly stop his heartbeat is wrong. Find another way.
Has not been proven! :D
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Originally posted by Trell
I see no problem with tasers for the police. but I also believe on very strict penalties for using one when it is unneeded. or to keep shocking people after they are done. that vid looks alright to me. but if a cop does use it essive or when it is not needed. I think they should be fired and thrown in jail, no second chances.
The new tasers have a built in chip that records Date, Time, and Duration of Firing. Only supervisors have software to access the chip via modem. Chip holds and stores up to 550 firings before it starts to write over.
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Another way without the risking disrupting his heart through electricity is with a gun-just blow out his kneecaps, maybe?
How about lay the nightstick upside his head? That will solve the problem without the risk of myocardial infraction.
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rpm,
My point is that actual combat has a history of far more injury and death to both the suspect and the Officer than does using a taser. It is the best way available. You do not speak from any experiance, I do. Deal with it.
BTW the reason the suspect got zapped was his own damn fault. Pain compliance is a part of defensive tactic training, using this device in this situation is far safer for everyone.
Fighting the Officer can cause a cardiac arrest for the suspect as well.
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En4cer since you/CAVY are a cop you will never agree with me. But it is a stone cold fact that electric shock can disrupt a heartbeat. Tell me, how did cops take down drunks before tazers? Was it impossible? I'm not saying you offer them flowers or have a long walk on the beach with them. Simply that there are other alternatives besides using a tazer.
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Drinking enough to argue with Cops can stop your heartbeat, RPM. Why endanger the person doing the right thing, in favor of the moron breaking the law?
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Because it's his job?
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He did his job, in a very proffesional and effective manner.
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...and knocking the drunken idiot out with a 4-cell mag light could cause brain damage, but I wouldn't see anything wrong with that either. The ultra melon driving caused the situation. My first concern is the officer's safety...then the general public driving by...in a distant third is the dip**** who couldn't call a cab.
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SOB you ugly american, your kind just doesn't get it.
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I'm a big meanie pants :)
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Originally posted by rpm
Because it's his job?
RPM, I invite you to explain what this officer should have done differently in this case? Expecting cops to die or get injured needlesly while they are doing their job is no different then asking soldiers to die or get injured needlessly while doing their jobs.
In that same breath cops that abuse their power/athourity are not different than soldiers that do the same.
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He should have offered him cucumber sandwiches with no crusts, and a bit of tea, which they could have shared in a roadside picnic while the poor drunk sobered up.
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Or just let him drive until he crashes, then let him sit bleeding in the wreckage for half an hour as traffic drives past.
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OK - Since RPM won't continue with his hundreds of ways to subdue an individual who is under arrest I'll give ya my favorite 4.
Non Lethal Weapons (http://www.stickdeath.com/lethal.htm)
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Originally posted by EN4CER
OK - Since RPM won't continue with his hundreds of ways to subdue an individual who is under arrest I'll give ya my favorite 4.
Non Lethal Weapons (http://www.stickdeath.com/lethal.htm)
If he had wrestled him down and the man had broken his arm, he'd be posting about how he should have been tasered.