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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: FUNKED1 on January 09, 2005, 10:42:44 AM
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A friend is trading me a russian SKS with a fiberforce stock. The stock sucks, doesn't fit the gun correctly, and he lost the original stock, so I am looking for a replacement stock. I'd like it to be close to the original russian stock, but in polymer. Anybody know of something like this?
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http://www.gunaccessories.com/ati/sksaccessories/index.asp
http://www.rifletech.com/cgi-bin/shop.pl/page=sks4.html
http://powercustom.com/SKS/parts_sks.htm
Here's a couple I found. But I make no guarantees as to quality, etc. :D
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Thanks. I found what I was looking for - Choate conventional stock. Hard to justify spending $50 on such a cheap rifle though. I think I'm just going to pick up a surplus wood chinese stock for $10.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Thanks. I found what I was looking for - Choate conventional stock. Hard to justify spending $50 on such a cheap rifle though. I think I'm just going to pick up a surplus wood chinese stock for $10.
Are you crazy, man ?
25 years after I shot my Soviet Army issue SKS, I can still feel in my shoulder that magnificent recoil. And you are going to buy China-made wooden stock ? I hope you change your mind.
And if you've got real Russian SKS (not the licensed foregn copy), it's really worth finding a nice recoil-absorbing stock, even if pricewise it will cost you more than Skorostrel'niy Karabin Simonova itself.
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LOL!
I have a 1956 Russian SKS...the recoil is almost NOTHING. Recoil....LOL!
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Originally posted by genozaur
Are you crazy, man ?
25 years after I shot my Soviet Army issue SKS, I can still feel in my shoulder that magnificent recoil. And you are going to buy China-made wooden stock ? I hope you change your mind.
And if you've got real Russian SKS (not the licensed foregn copy), it's really worth finding a nice recoil-absorbing stock, even if pricewise it will cost you more than Skorostrel'niy Karabin Simonova itself.
You have to be kidding, I own 4 SKS rifles, A Russian, 2 Yugos and a Chinese. They all kick the same they all have wooden stocks and I will say that they kick not much more than a M14. They are very light recoil rifles. The AK-47 I have Kicks more than the SKS but not much and shoots the same round 7.62x39.
The Yugo model I have has a Grenade Launcher on it. It has a gas diverter valve on it. If you switch it to fire the grenades it will put a hurt on your shoulder.
If the SKS hurt you I would hate to think what you would say if you shot the Russian Mosin Nagant M44. Metal buttplates with that the larger round leaves bruises, Ouch!
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An SKS kicks? Ya gotta be kidding.
The ones I shot with military ammo were about like a .30-30 or less.
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Originally posted by Toad
An SKS kicks? Ya gotta be kidding.
The ones I shot with military ammo were about like a .30-30 or less.
way less....almost no recoil.
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Originally posted by kevykev56
You have to be kidding, I own 4 SKS rifles, A Russian, 2 Yugos and a Chinese. They all kick the same they all have wooden stocks and I will say that they kick not much more than a M14. They are very light recoil rifles. The AK-47 I have Kicks more than the SKS but not much and shoots the same round 7.62x39.
The Yugo model I have has a Grenade Launcher on it. It has a gas diverter valve on it. If you switch it to fire the grenades it will put a hurt on your shoulder.
If the SKS hurt you I would hate to think what you would say if you shot the Russian Mosin Nagant M44. Metal buttplates with that the larger round leaves bruises, Ouch!
I was not of a feeble frame at the time, I was firing 100% Soviet-made SKS and it did not hurt to fire it. But one can't deny that it's recoil is pretty powerful. You compare it to the recoil from the AK-47. So what's the use in absorbing that recoil with your shoulder ? If it is for the sake of authenticity, I would understand that, but otherwise ...?
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Originally posted by genozaur
I was not of a feeble frame at the time, I was firing 100% Soviet-made SKS and it did not hurt to fire it. But one can't deny that it's recoil is pretty powerful.
LOL! :lol
a .22 would probably feel "powerful" to you.
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I bet my .416 Rem Mag kicks more.
;)
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Found this on the web, in an article about recoil:
also got a Yugo SKS as part of this first purchase. Now here is a carbine with very little kick! But what makes this so? First, even though it is a carbine, this sucker weighs in at a bit more than 9 lbs.
Second, it shoots a round with a tiny 122 gr bullet at only about 2300 fps. Third, as long as the gas port is open, the breach opens up to vent off a good portion of the spent gasses. These combine to produce an-estimated recoil energy of only about 5 ft-lbs, or less.
5 ft/lbs? YGBSM!
So I went looking some more.......
Cartridge w/bullet weight/ Rifle Weight/ Recoil energy
30-30 Win. (150 at 2400)/ 7.5/ 10.6
7.62x39 Soviet (125 at 2350) 7.0/ 6.9
223 WSSM (55 at 3850) 7.5 6.4 7.4
So yeah, it has much less recoil than a .30-30 even. About like a .223
Wow... what a shoulder-punishing round. ;)
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Originally posted by NUKE
way less....almost no recoil.
the 1st time I shot a 7.62 X 39, I was way confused. heard a lil pop, felt nothing. so I walked to target to see if there was a hole in it, there was dead center.
pulled clip out, pulled bolt back ejected a round, locked bolt open. I just had to look down barrel to make sure the bullet didn't get stuck in it.
it was clear so put clip back in, drop the bolt, aimed pulled trigger again. then again lil pop nothing else. had to check target, and barrel again.
there is no recoil at all. my 9mm compressed air rifle has more kick than the 7.62 X 39 does.
thought about turning the 7.62 X 39 into a long barreled pistol.
even firing it with one hand holding it out like a pistol, theres no recoil.
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Originally posted by Toad
Found this on the web, in an article about recoil:
5 ft/lbs? YGBSM!
So I went looking some more.......
Cartridge w/bullet weight/ Rifle Weight/ Recoil energy
30-30 Win. (150 at 2400)/ 7.5/ 10.6
7.62x39 Soviet (125 at 2350) 7.0/ 6.9
223 WSSM (55 at 3850) 7.5 6.4 7.4
So yeah, it has much less recoil than a .30-30 even. About like a .223
Wow... what a shoulder-punishing round. ;)
Chances are genozaur just doesn't "fit" the stock of the SKS. If there is a small pressure point it could be enough to impart pain to the shooter even if there is a relatively low recoil force.
The HK91-A3 just beats my shoulder to hell where as I could shoot all day the M1A, FNFAL, AR-10, Galil AR308. They all fire the same round. Human "engineering" plays a big part in felt recoil.
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Originally posted by DieAz
the 1st time I shot a 7.62 X 39, I was way confused. heard a lil pop, felt nothing. so I walked to target to see if there was a hole in it, there was dead center.
pulled clip out, pulled bolt back ejected a round, locked bolt open. I just had to look down barrel to make sure the bullet didn't get stuck in it.
it was clear so put clip back in, drop the bolt, aimed pulled trigger again. then again lil pop nothing else. had to check target, and barrel again.
there is no recoil at all. my 9mm compressed air rifle has more kick than the 7.62 X 39 does.
thought about turning the 7.62 X 39 into a long barreled pistol.
even firing it with one hand holding it out like a pistol, theres no recoil.
I agree, recoil is about sligtly more then M16. Now M91/30....that's another story. Ouch ouch ouch....
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Chances are genozaur just doesn't "fit" the stock of the SKS. If there is a small pressure point it could be enough to impart pain to the shooter even if there is a relatively low recoil force.
The HK91-A3 just beats my shoulder to hell where as I could shoot all day the M1A, FNFAL, AR-10, Galil AR308. They all fire the same round. Human "engineering" plays a big part in felt recoil.
I just dont see it, the SKS is one of my favs to shoot because it has next to no recoil and it is so cheap to shoot. I have just in the last year fired over 3000rounds through mine.
If you say it kicked hard maybe it did, possibly the gun had some sort of malfunction. If it wasnt cycling the bolt everytime then maybe the gas valve was clogged. That would increase the felt recoil.
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Originally posted by NUKE
LOL! :lol
a .22 would probably feel "powerful" to you.
Below is the first ten links (out of 2,689) on the topic of SKS recoil. Out of these 10 links 8 are advertizing recoil buffers for SKS.
So, Mighty Ducks, go please yourselves without any recoil.
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1. Buffer Technologies SKS recoil buffer
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http://www.combatstocks.com/Buffer_Technologies_SKS_recoil_buffer.cfm - December 27, 2004 - 11 KB
2. SKS recoil spring
shotgun stocks, replacement stocks, rifle stocks, sks stocks, rifle parts and sks parts at discount prices ... folding shotgun stocks, shotgun parts, SKS stocks, SKS parts, Rifle Parts, Winchester stocks, Remington ... SKS recoil spring. This NEW replacement recoil spring is aproximately 14 ...
http://www.combatstocks.com/SKS_recoil_spring.cfm - December 11, 2004 - 10 KB
3. SKS Recoil Buffer
SKS Recoil Buffer. Code: BTR130. Price: 9.95. Recoil Buffer for the SKS. Recoil Buffers reduce recoil impulse and prolong the service life of your firearms. ... For more information on the SKS Recoil...
http://www.galatiinternational.com/a/BTR130-sks-recoil-buffer.html - July 13, 2004 - 6 KB
4. SKS Accessories
Modernize your SKS rifle with these great accessories. All ATI products feature a lifetime warranty. SKS Fiberforce Stock. Founded on the famous Dragunov design. This stock offers a simple "drop-in"...
http://www.gunaccessories.com/ati/SKSAccessories/index.asp - November 17, 2004 - 88 KB
5. Recoil Buffers
... The SKS Recoil Buffer fits in the rear of the top assembly and is made to the exacting ... assembly much simpler. The SKS Recoil Buffer will fit all variations of ...
http://www.gunaccessories.com/RecoilBuffers/Index.asp - January 8, 2005 - 59 KB
6. SKS Rifle Recoil Buffer
... Shopping Cart is enabled. SKS Rifle Recoil Buffer ... installs on your Russian, Chinese or Romanian SKS Rifles. This item will reduce the felt recoil and will eliminate ...
http://www.buymilitaria.com/sks_htm_files/sks_rifle_recoil_buffer.htm - October 29, 2004 - 6 KB
7. TAPCO - Recoil Buffers : Shooting and Military Gear for FAL SKS AK47...
... YOU ARE HERE: Home / Rifle Parts & Accessories / Recoil Buffers / Recoil Buffers. Qty in Basket: 0 Subtotal: $0.00 ... $19.99. SKS RECOIL BUFFER. Our Price: ...
http://www.tapco.com/departments.asp?dept=37&last=75 - December 25, 2004 - 24 KB
8. SKSMAN Tools and Accessories -SKS sight tools- AK, MAK-90 Sight...
SKS and AK Rifle Accessories ... SKS/AK/MAK Windage and Elevation Sight Tools ... SKS Recoil Buffer. Recoil buffer inserts into recess in rear of the receiver cover. Recoil spring fits into indentation ...
http://www.sksman.com/access/tools1.html - December 25, 2003 - 30 KB
9. AAA RECOIL REDUCER & RECOIL BUFFERS
... SKS. PRICE $10.00 EACH. The SKS Recoil Buffer_ fits in the rear of the top ... disassembly much simpler. the SKS Recoil Buffer_ will fit all variations of ...
http://www.aaa-ammo.com/buffer.htm - August 7, 2003 - 20 KB
10. SKS Buffer
... SKS Buffer. The SKS Recoil Buffer fits in the rear of the top assembly and is made ... assembly much simpler. The SKS Recoil Buffer will fit all variations of ...
http://www.redstararms.com/587.htm - December 18, 2004 - 16 KB
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Chances are genozaur just doesn't "fit" the stock of the SKS. If there is a small pressure point it could be enough to impart pain to the shooter even if there is a relatively low recoil force.
The HK91-A3 just beats my shoulder to hell where as I could shoot all day the M1A, FNFAL, AR-10, Galil AR308. They all fire the same round. Human "engineering" plays a big part in felt recoil.
Saburo, you may be closer to unveiling my conspiracy theory about atomic recoil of SKS than the hunters who are trying to teach me.
Most of the time our SKS shooting practice included firing from the "prone" posture when you lay flat on the ground, your right leg in line with the aiming direction, left leg outstretched to the left side, both hands used as the support for the Karabin. In this position one can't fully "fit" the stock into the shoulder. The lower and the middle parts of the back of the stock just rest on top of your shoulder. But this is the main battle firing posture, especially for the defensive combat. And I was serving with the AA unit. Don't think they were expecting any attacking tactics on our part.
I guess the guys who so severely critisize me are mostly the hunters who used to shoot the whitetails from a stand-up position when it's easier to properly "fit" the stock.
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Originally posted by genozaur
Saburo, you may be closer to unveiling my conspiracy theory about atomic recoil of SKS than the hunters who are trying to teach me.
Most of the time our SKS shooting practice included firing from the "prone" posture when you lay flat on the ground, your right leg in line with the aiming direction, left leg outstretched to the left side, both hands used as the support for the Karabin. In this position one can't fully "fit" the stock into the shoulder. The lower and the middle parts of the back of the stock just rest on top of your shoulder. But this is the main battle firing posture, especially for the defensive combat. And I was serving with the AA unit. Don't think they were expecting any attacking tactics on our part.
I guess the guys who so severely critisize me are mostly the hunters who used to shoot the whitetails from a stand-up position when it's easier to properly "fit" the stock.
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Originally posted by kevykev56
I just dont see it, the SKS is one of my favs to shoot because it has next to no recoil and it is so cheap to shoot. I have just in the last year fired over 3000rounds through mine.
If you say it kicked hard maybe it did, possibly the gun had some sort of malfunction. If it wasnt cycling the bolt everytime then maybe the gas valve was clogged. That would increase the felt recoil.
It's all about pressure. In your case the stock fits your shoulder well.
If you want to really see what I'm talking about, saw off a one inch section off of a wooden broomstick, duct tape it to your stock so it goes between your shoulder and stock, then fire off your rounds.
Here's betting you'll feel a difference. It's all about P-S-I.
Not everyone is built the same.
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Yeah, that sounds good and all...but I aint buying it.
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This guy doesn't even know the purpose of a recoil buffer in a semi-auto.
Hint: That piece you googled up isn't to protect your shoulder. It's an increased durability piece for the gun.
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SKS= Poormans 30-30
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gen.... you do realize that a "recoil buffer" is not to protect you from or to diminish felt recoil?
A recoil buffer is a piece of plastic that goes between the two pieces of metal that make contact in an arm during the cycling of the action... it protects the metal parts from banging into each other not your shoulder. Recoild buffers usefulness is "debateable".
An SKS has allmost no recoil to speak of. Only a 22 rifle has less that I know of. maybe a thirty carbine.
lazs
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Jeasious the guy was just trying to help. Tough crowd. :)
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He's probably been hit in the face with the butt of an SKS and that's what he is remembering of it's recoil effect.
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I will admit that recoil from any gun is worse prone because your body doesn't give with the recoil like it does standing or kneeling.
Or from a bench for that matter. Start sighting in big bores and you learn the benefit of getting it right as soon as possible. ;)
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SKS has a recoil....
lol what a damn sissy...
You wouldn't want to shoot my .50... that's got some recoil... but no more than a 375 HnH.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/514_1105071271_dscn0613.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/514_1105071221_dscn0614.jpg)
The worst thing about shooting a .50 is the over pressure from the muzzle break... imagine someone whacking you over the nostrils to simulate it.
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I think I'm just going to pick up a surplus wood chinese stock for $10.
I found 2 inch rubber stock extender for about $10. Screws on to the stock no problem. I didnt really think it would make that big a difference but it did. Im 6'2" so the short man stock wasnt cutting it.
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Hmmm...
If the SKS is really original russian then I don't think anything chinese made will fit. Noticed some differences in the 2 models.
As to recoil. IMHO it depends a very great deal on where the butt of the rifle is placed on the shoulder.
If you place the butt of the rifle on the MEATY portion of the shoulder (the shoulder joint) rather then in the hollow of the shoulder (that is just beneath the collar bone and inward of the shoulder joint) you are asking for some real pain.
I taught my son how to place a rifle while he was young. Years later we are firing some rifles, me a 30-06 bolt action and him a 308 semi-auto and he complains to me of pain in the shoulder after firing his rifle. I ask him to show me what he was doing and whoa! Somehow somewhere he unlearned the proper way and was putting the butt on his shoulder joint. He had a rather nasty bruise there later.
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Actually, the Buffer Technologies is made of a "rubbery" polymer type material that does reduce felt recoil.
I purchased mine for the anti impact wear capabilities on my L1a1 but was pleasantly surprised for the reduction in felt recoil.
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Ah come on Bodhi snuggle up a little closer to that scope there LOL;)
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Originally posted by Toad
An SKS kicks? Ya gotta be kidding.
The ones I shot with military ammo were about like a .30-30 or less.
I have a Marlin 30-30 that kicks pretty damn hard. My AR-15, now there's a gun with light recoil.
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Originally posted by lazs2
gen.... you do realize that a "recoil buffer" is not to protect you from or to diminish felt recoil?
A recoil buffer is a piece of plastic that goes between the two pieces of metal that make contact in an arm during the cycling of the action... it protects the metal parts from banging into each other not your shoulder. Recoild buffers usefulness is "debateable".
An SKS has allmost no recoil to speak of. Only a 22 rifle has less that I know of. maybe a thirty carbine.
lazs
I am not familiar with English gunsmith terminology, but I know the rules applied to the word-building of complex terms in the Germanic languages, English language including.
The general rule for it is such that several words put together have something to do with each other. And the term is RECOIL BUFFER.
"Almost no recoil to speak of " means for me "very small recoil". In other words, "there is recoil, small though". And 2,689 internet links also mention "SKS recoil".
Put the SKS stock against your biceps and fire a round, then tell me if you felt any recoil.
From the posts by SubaroS and my reply to him it is obvious that in the "lay-down"shooting position, with the "unfit" stock, the recoil of SKS can be felt as "pretty powerful".
The end of discussion.
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Nice gun Bodhi :)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Jeasious the guy was just trying to help. Tough crowd. :)
I hope they are.
From the posts by SubaroS and my reply to him it is obvious that in the "lay-down"shooting position, with the "unfit" stock, the recoil of SKS can be felt as "pretty powerful".
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Originally posted by genozaur
I hope they are.
From the posts by SubaroS and my reply to him it is obvious that in the "lay-down"shooting position, with the "unfit" stock, the recoil of SKS can be felt as "pretty powerful".
I take it that during your training you fired it in more than just one position. What was your perception of it while being fired standing or from a bench?
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Originally posted by wombatt
Ah come on Bodhi snuggle up a little closer to that scope there LOL;)
LOL, nahhh... I'd prefer not to have a circular scar around my right eye... or worse :(
:D
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Originally posted by kevykev56
I take it that during your training you fired it in more than just one position. What was your perception of it while being fired standing or from a bench?
At the range we only fired from three positions : while "standing", "from the knee", and "laying down". I only remember the last one.
Firing with any kind of support was mainly reserved for shooting manuals. I never did it when on active duty (25 years ago).
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Originally posted by NUKE
He's probably been hit in the face with the butt of an SKS and that's what he is remembering of it's recoil effect.
Honey, I have been a sharpshooter for 37 years already. Save your face for your butt.
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Originally posted by genozaur
Honey, I have been a sharpshooter for 37 years already. Save your face for your butt.
lemme guess... your're a Snip3r!
Mr. Black is back... again!
:rofl
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Originally posted by Bodhi
lemme guess... your're a Snip3r!
Mr. Black is back... again!
:rofl
Sorry, butt I wasn't assigned to the sniper's position. I was at the time more like Pvt Zaitsev who had to kill 30 Nazis in Stalingrad before he was honored with the assigned sniper position and given sniper's rifle.
:D
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Originally posted by genozaur
Put the SKS stock against your biceps and fire a round, then tell me if you felt any recoil.
From the posts by SubaroS and my reply to him it is obvious that in the "lay-down"shooting position, with the "unfit" stock, the recoil of SKS can be felt as "pretty powerful".
The end of discussion.
Well, you're either just an incredibly wussy individual or have the most craptacular shooting technique evar. SKS is a pop gun compared to most high-powered rifles.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
Well, you're either just an incredibly wussy individual or have the most craptacular shooting technique evar. SKS is a pop gun compared to most high-powered rifles.
Vogel, nowhere in this thread was I conparing SKS to anything else. You have to talk to all these guys who do such a comparison.
The positive thing from this discussion is that I was corrected to some extend and the guy who needed the answer got the whole information.
And you are still stuck on "wussy individual" thing. Don't make yourself rediculous.
The discussion is over already.
If you want to talk about "wussies", start a new thread. I don't think that will be of any intrest to anybody except you.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Actually, the Buffer Technologies is made of a "rubbery" polymer type material that does reduce felt recoil.
I purchased mine for the anti impact wear capabilities on my L1a1 but was pleasantly surprised for the reduction in felt recoil.
One of my friends had to order such a piece of plastic from the US (!!!) for his Saiga-410. He ordered a recoil buffer that fits all AK versions. The main result was that his gun became maybe two times less loud.
Saiga is a mysterious weapon. With many brands of ammo it's unable to reload, while at the same time it has severe impact wear on the rear side of bolt box (zatvornaya korobka). And Russian industry can't produce a $0.1 piece of plastic as a recoil buffer!
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gen... are you serious? you can put the but of the gun against your testicles and fire it without too much pain... we are talking 5 pounds of recoil here! biceps.. you got to be kidding.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
gen... are you serious? you can put the but of the gun against your testicles and fire it without too much pain... we are talking 5 pounds of recoil here! biceps.. you got to be kidding.
lazs
watch out Lazs... he's a Snip3r and might try to meet you in a greasy spoon near you!
sound familiar?
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An interesting link of an SKS being FIRED (http://www.lifelibertyetc.com/RangeBag/Video/lle_bump_fire_sks.avi)
If you want to learn more about bump firing. Here is a Link (http://www.lifelibertyetc.com/RangeBag.aspx) Look for July 11th for the tutorial.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
SKS has a recoil....
You wouldn't want to shoot my .50... that's got some recoil... but no more than a 375 HnH.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/514_1105071221_dscn0614.jpg)
The worst thing about shooting a .50 is the over pressure from the muzzle break... imagine someone whacking you over the nostrils to simulate it.
BTW Bohdi,
Suhweeet! I'm a little ignorant on the .50's rifles.
What make/model is it?
How much does it weigh?
Is that a Leupold MkIV M1 scope on it?
I notice the scope is mounted kind of high judging from a lack (apparently) of a proper cheek weld. Can you get an adjustable cheek piece for that?
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Originally posted by lazs2
gen... are you serious? you can put the but of the gun against your testicles and fire it without too much pain... we are talking 5 pounds of recoil here! biceps.. you got to be kidding.
lazs
Lazs, you do this experiment first.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
BTW Bohdi,
Suhweeet! I'm a little ignorant on the .50's rifles.
What make/model is it?
How much does it weigh?
Is that a Leupold MkIV M1 scope on it?
I notice the scope is mounted kind of high judging from a lack (apparently) of a proper cheek weld. Can you get an adjustable cheek piece for that?
It's an Armalite 50, correct on the scope, and it is over 25lbs.
The scope is mounted on a riser, and I would never place my cheek on that damn thing in any way, shape, or form, lest it rip it off when it comes back.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
It's an Armalite 50, correct on the scope, and it is over 25lbs.
The scope is mounted on a riser, and I would never place my cheek on that damn thing in any way, shape, or form, lest it rip it off when it comes back.
I was talking about putting the cheek piece on the stock. It appears you've got your lower cheek resting on/against it.
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Bodhi,
I was thinking about getting the armalite .50 I have always wanted to know if the muzzle break really does work as advertised. Ad says that it kicks no more than a 12ga. How true is that? Since you have owned it for a while would you recommend getting one or different manufacture? Thanks!