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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JoOwEn on January 09, 2005, 03:26:10 PM
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yourself, family or loved ones from a violent crime. Do you own a gun, take self defense courses or maybe just a glof club? I just realised that Im a 145 lbs defensless young man. maybe I should take some karoke courses.
http://www.ivillage.co.uk/newspol/camp/crime/articles/0,,185958_186520,00.html
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Originally posted by JoOwEn
maybe I should take some karoke courses.
Did you plan on singing them into submission?
I know for a fact that Nomde could :D
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i think that you mispelled karaoke. but i definately recommend it.
may i suggest "amazing grace" by elvis.
sure to drive em off.
88
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If he sounds gay enough, people will leave him alone :)
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JoOwen, it's not how much you weigh, it's how much you benchpress.
I suggest you join a gym and start pumping iron.
Most gyms also offer kickboxing or tae-kwan-do classes.
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i prefer tae - kwon - leap.
boot to the head!
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karate thats right.
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41 Remington Mag with 240 grain platinum tip hollow points... :D :D
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Defending your self from intruders in hand to hand combat is too troublesome. That’s why I keep little commi gun called Makarov with extra clip by my bed. :lol :p
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If you're serious, invest in a dog. It's the best deterrent a homeowner can buy.
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If you're serious, invest in a dog. It's the best deterrent a homeowner can buy.
I have a 130lb rottweiler that seems to scare the crap out of anyone who comes in, but she is just the deterent until I get the gun.
68Parker
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Or move to a better neighborhood. Or buy a pet grizzly bear.
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Originally posted by JoOwEn
yourself, family or loved ones from a violent crime. Do you own a gun, take self defense courses or maybe just a glof club? I just realised that Im a 145 lbs defensless young man. maybe I should take some karoke courses.
http://www.ivillage.co.uk/newspol/camp/crime/articles/0,,185958_186520,00.html
Ummmmm errr Hee....heeee....heeeee....GUF FAW..ROFLMAO.
If you go with the "glof club" make sure you have a glofer`s permit. :D
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Fnore!
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ow.
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Originally posted by JB88
Fnore!
- whack!
ow.
LMAO
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Originally posted by JoOwEn
karate thats right.
Judo, battle karate (very nasty Spetsnaz version),
several classes in bare-handed defense against knife attack, and regular visits to the shooting range or at least seasonal hunting trips.
In that order.
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hang NRA paraphenalia all over your house. and yard.
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If you get a peccary from a baby, and make it a pet, the thing will protect and scare the s*** out of anyone, the things are viscous.
Here's a few pics (http://www.scsc.k12.ar.us/2000TexNatHist/TexasNatHist/Members/SchullerL/Default.htm)
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http://www.a-human-right.com
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Originally posted by Gonzo
If you get a peccary from a baby, and make it a pet, the thing will protect and scare the s*** out of anyone, the things are viscous.
Here's a few pics (http://www.scsc.k12.ar.us/2000TexNatHist/TexasNatHist/Members/SchullerL/Default.htm)
looks like food to me
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I run scared and hide behind my dog- though my cat is more violent. I would like to give systema a try, very few classes in the UK though. None are taught anywhere near where i live.:(
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Remember, for karate to work you have to be within hand reach.
However, guns work at most distances out to 1000 yards.
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Find the biggest lowlife in your neighborhood, shoot him, then hang him from a tree in your front yard as a warning to the other lowlifes. Beyond being a deterrent to theft, you'd be suprised how festive your new corpse can look when decorated with lights and garland during the Christmas season!
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I use my street smarts.
mmmph... mmmppHH.. MMmmmMMPHH... MMMPPHHH BWAHAHAAHA!:rofl
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I don't get it... in the article people were beaten by a man with a crowbar? why didn't they just shoot the burglar?
If people spent on tenth the time learning to use guns safely that they use to diet or learn some useless martial art.... there would be very few criminals.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
If people spent on tenth the time learning to use guns safely that they use to diet or learn some useless martial art.... there would be very few criminals.
lazs
And very few firearms accidents.
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hence the words "use safely".
lazs
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Take your pick
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg21-e.htm
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I got a big dog that will invite anyone into the yard, and a little dog that loves the taste of human.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
looks like food to me
heyyy I thought Jews didn't eat pork :)
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Originally posted by VOR
If you're serious, invest in a dog. It's the best deterrent a homeowner can buy.
agreed... if nothing it can slow the intruder down long enough for you to react.
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my guns don't sniff everyones crotch and crap all over the place and need babysitters when I want to leave.
lazs
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Two very large dogs
29 guns
Very good alarm system.
Live in a gated community.
And a partridge in a pear tree.
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You live in a prison that allows you to own guns and dogs?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
my guns don't sniff everyones crotch and crap all over the place and need babysitters when I want to leave.
lazs
I'll concede that there's a downside to responsible canine ownership.
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Originally posted by lazs2
You live in a prison that allows you to own guns and dogs?
lazs
Partner I live in the great state of Texas we invinted guns and dogs LOL
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the mere sight of me causes the weak to tremble, break down and cry and the valient to flee.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Partner I live in the great state of Texas we invited guns and dogs LOL
Invite them to do what?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Invite them to do what?
Thank you for bringing my error to my attention.
Now don't you have a flower arrangement that needs your expert
attention.
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
JoOwen, it's not how much you weigh, it's how much you benchpress.
I suggest you join a gym and start pumping iron.
Most gyms also offer kickboxing or tae-kwan-do classes.
Benchpress? LMFAO. You really ARE as dumb as you type.
Karaya
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I have relatives and friends in the Triads. Guns, dogs, alarms, martial arts, weight-lifting, living in gated communities and the rest of that paranoid paraphenalia are just crutches for the socially inept. Get connected. :D
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Originally posted by -dead-
I have relatives and friends in the Triads. Guns, dogs, alarms, martial arts, weight-lifting, living in gated communities and the rest of that paranoid paraphenalia are just crutches for the socially inept. Get connected. :D
Oh yeah!
Well my cousin morty in the Jewish mafia can take all you little triad twerps anyday LOL.
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
JoOwen, it's not how much you weigh, it's how much you benchpress.
I suggest you join a gym and start pumping iron.
Most gyms also offer kickboxing or tae-kwan-do classes.
Where have you been man!
Everyone knows it's not how much you bench press.
It's how much you can squat.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by OIO
hang NRA paraphenalia all over your house. and yard.
Bad, bad, bad.... Criminals like guns and will wait till you're not at home to pay a visit.
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Originally posted by Otto
Bad, bad, bad.... Criminals like guns and will wait till you're not at home to pay a visit.
Then they have to deal with a couple of 120lb Akita's swinging from there testicles.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Then they have to deal with a couple of 120lb Akita's swinging from there testicles.
or worse the never ending questions asked by a three year old.
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Originally posted by storch
or worse the never ending questions asked by a three year old.
Sadist!
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"I have relatives and friends in the Triads. Guns, dogs, alarms, martial arts, weight-lifting, living in gated communities and the rest of that paranoid paraphenalia are just crutches for the socially inept. Get connected"
reminds me of the guys a few decades ago who used to claim they had biker friends.
Criminals don't have friends as such. You are better off them not knowing that you exist rather than having them think you think you are their "friend".
and wombat.. gated community? alarms? aren't you talking about jail?
lazs
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You could take the French Martial Arts class. It'll save you a lot of trouble.
I'll describe one move. First, stand there easily balanced with your feet shoulder width apart. Don't make any really fast movements.
Now, Raise your right arm all the way above your head. Then raise your left arm all the way above your head. Now hold...
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Originally posted by lazs2
and wombat.. gated community? alarms? aren't you talking about jail?
lazs
Man, them places are the "IN" place to be. Dontcha realize that?
Where else can you pay four prices for something and have all of your decisions made for you. Decisions like what kind and type, even what style of home you are allowed to have there, even in some instances what color. What type fence, height, and if it`s a privacy fence, what the fence can be constructed with, even down to the choice of wood. What type BBQ pit..style, construction and where it is located on "Your" property. If and where you may park your vehicle on "your" property and what type vehicle is allowed on "your" property. Who and when visitors are allowed.
On a lot of these places around here you get the opportunity to pay around four times the average rate to store your boat because you can`t keep one in "your" garage on "your" property.
Most have a limit on how many visitors may be parked at any particular time, so your not bothered with them pesky family reunions or the lame bunch of friends who might want to have a cookout/party at "your" place. There great I tell you.
The neat thing about them, in most cases, is after all the property is sold for these "private" residents within a couple of years you get to watch the "gated entrance" become obsolete and you find that street/road repair is the responsibilty of you and your community instead of the development company who`s board of directors by this time have disapeared. After all it`s "your" property.
Professional burglars love them because no where else can you do your job without outside interference.
You also get bragging rights on the enormous tax bill you get ever year.
Where could you possibly go wrong?
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Man, them places are the "IN" place to be. Dontcha realize that?
Where else can you pay four prices for something and have all of your decisions made for you. Decisions like what kind and type, even what style of home you are allowed to have there, even in some instances what color. What type fence, height, and if it`s a privacy fence, what the fence can be constructed with, even down to the choice of wood. What type BBQ pit..style, construction and where it is located on "Your" property. If and where you may park your vehicle on "your" property and what type vehicle is allowed on "your" property. Who and when visitors are allowed.
On a lot of these places around here you get the opportunity to pay around four times the average rate to store your boat because you can`t keep one in "your" garage on "your" property.
Most have a limit on how many visitors may be parked at any particular time, so your not bothered with them pesky family reunions or the lame bunch of friends who might want to have a cookout/party at "your" place. There great I tell you.
The neat thing about them, in most cases, is after all the property is sold for these "private" residents within a couple of years you get to watch the "gated entrance" become obsolete and you find that street/road repair is the responsibilty of you and your community instead of the development company who`s board of directors by this time have disapeared. After all it`s "your" property.
Professional burglars love them because no where else can you do your job without outside interference.
You also get bragging rights on the enormous tax bill you get ever year.
Where could you possibly go wrong?
you forgot the periodic assessments for all the repairs and the landscaping. the best ones use a "security company" to tell their burglar buddies when you are on vacation.
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OoooooPs! That completely slipped my mind. I`m sure I missed a lot of the benefits.
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so.... it's not as good as jail?
I have a buddy in a "gated community" and he is really getting fed up with their rules and regulations. Locked down behind a wall with guards and alarms and told what to do and people pretending to be your friends so that they can steal your stuff...
sounds like prison to me.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
so.... it's not as good as jail?
I have a buddy in a "gated community" and he is really getting fed up with their rules and regulations. Locked down behind a wall with guards and alarms and told what to do and people pretending to be your friends so that they can steal your stuff...
sounds like prison to me.
lazs
Laz they tried that crap with me.
you know the home owners associations and the like.
LOL sent me a notice one day that the weeds in my flower bed were to tall LOL.
One phone call is all it took to get these clowns off my back.
I cant tell you what i said cause Scuzzy would ban me LOL.
But needless to say I got my point across that was to leave me the F alone.
I have not heard a peep out of them since.
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I installed a nice alarm system. Next, I hooked up 8 video cameras to a multiplexer & time-lapse VCR. Then, I installed motion detecting floodlights. I had a "safe room" installed with a discrete entrance. I took advantage of modern positive pressurization systems to keep any toxins out. I cleared all the shrubbery around my house to give myself clean firing lanes. I loaded up my 37mm grenade launcher with flechette rounds and put it next to a loaded Saiga 12 gauge, several .45s loaded with Glaser safety rounds, and a Barret .50cal (in case they run). I hung up my CHL qualifying targets in the windows facing the street. I liberally seeded my lawn with anti-personell mines. I picked up a pair of Caucasian Mountain Dogs, but they have to stay inside or they'll hit mines. Finally, I dug a moat just outside of the mine permiter and filled it with Pirhanas.
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Originally posted by indy007
I installed a nice alarm system. Next, I hooked up 8 video cameras to a multiplexer & time-lapse VCR. Then, I installed motion detecting floodlights. I had a "safe room" installed with a discrete entrance. I took advantage of modern positive pressurization systems to keep any toxins out. I cleared all the shrubbery around my house to give myself clean firing lanes. I loaded up my 37mm grenade launcher with flechette rounds and put it next to a loaded Saiga 12 gauge, several .45s loaded with Glaser safety rounds, and a Barret .50cal (in case they run). I hung up my CHL qualifying targets in the windows facing the street. I liberally seeded my lawn with anti-personell mines. I picked up a pair of Caucasian Mountain Dogs, but they have to stay inside or they'll hit mines. Finally, I dug a moat just outside of the mine permiter and filled it with Pirhanas.
heh, all I did was have my mother in law sit in a rocking chair out front smoking her cigars.
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Originally posted by storch
heh, all I did was have my mother in law sit in a rocking chair out front smoking her cigars.
LOL:rofl
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Originally posted by storch
heh, all I did was have my mother in law sit in a rocking chair out front smoking her cigars.
I always miss the obvious approaches :(
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I live 1 1/2 blocks from the police station, don't ascociate with criminals and have a foot and half long pig sticker.
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Originally posted by lazs2 reminds me of the guys a few decades ago who used to claim they had biker friends.
Criminals don't have friends as such. You are better off them not knowing that you exist rather than having them think you think you are their "friend".
lazs [/B]
I know you're just trying to rationalise your gun fetish as being healthy, normal and useful, but there's really no need to get all uppity when someone suggests it stems from social ineptitude. ;)
Criminals don't have friends as such!? I'm a criminal and I have friends. Perhaps the criminals you've met just don't make good friends with the socially inept. :D
P.S. The first post was a joke, the second is still tongue-in-cheek. [footnote for the socially inept]
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Originally posted by Krusher
heyyy I thought Jews didn't eat pork :)
i thought christians go to church every sunday :)
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Originally posted by Flyboy
i thought christians go to church every sunday :)
Drumroll Please LOL:D
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dead... you are right... you would probly do better in hong kong than I would. I see no rational reason why I would want to change that.
lazs
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Anybody ever heard of brazilian yoga? Its suppose to teach you to be able to bend your legs and arms in strange ways like around your head and still be a lethal defensive technique.
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All this talk of "all you need is a gun" is BS..
Unless you want to invest the same or more amount of time becoming a quickdraw artist then having some form of HTH training will greatly benefit your gun control training.. (and note im pro - gun)
Laz's how many guns to you carry on your person at all times.. 1-2 (3 wtf...?)
how long does it take you draw you weapon to ready... (i'd say at least a second if the weapon was already charged and 1.5 -2 seconds on a uncharged weapon.. (on average give or take on your skill level..)
well a skilled HTH person is going to flail you twice (not movie stuff or bawroom brawl crap, more like eyegouges shin kicks and neck punches, grab you hair and slam it into concrete that sort of stuff..) and move into grapple with you to fracture your hands knees whatever they can get a hold of (ears nose bitting eye spoon etc..) in the time frame it would take you to ready your weapon..
Now i dont know about you but most criminal attacks are preeumptive and of surprising nature.. as such IMO a hybrid of martial training and gun control would be the superior response to whatever threat level the perps could muster....
if you have distance to the attacker a gun is a superior weapon to any martial art.. But in close a firearm suffers the same problems that all other weapons suffer at hth range they must be directed and as such are vulnrable to tried and true techniques designed to stop knifes, swords , and clubs.. (note techniques refined for centuries)
So dont sell all your stock into Gun is the only answer crap... If anything your martial training will build hand eye coordination, help determine threat level (the most important) and give you close in options under surprise attack.. Also it gives you options to use non deadly force where you wont have to defend yourself in a court of law even if you were in the right becuase some buddy of the perp lies and said you preumped and shot his friend..
Some states allow civil suits by the perps even on your own property for shooting them.. do your homework.. it would be a sad day when you shoot a perp trying to rob you only to have his medical bills leeched out of ya by some sympathetic jury..
DoctorYo
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yo... I am still in relatively good shape... most are not. I have also had the benifiet of a lot of street brawls... Any agressive person that is close enough for me to touch is a threat.
Threats are all of different levels. I most certainly will try to strike or knock down someone very close. I will maintain distance. I have very little training except some sportsman boxing and the aformentioned streetfights but..
It is my experiance that very few fights survive much past the first few blows no matter the skill of the participants.
It is also my experiance that no matter how well trained... If the attacker is armed with any weapon you are better off with a gun.
It is also my experiance that criminals are nervous and will allow you to reach in your pocket for your valuables. A 340 pd smith and wesson is better to bring out than your wallet.
Iwould agree that 9 out of 10 times if you are capable there is a good chance that you will prevail without a fiream if you are in good shape and..... mostr importantly... If you have the will.. it is surprising how many people will not actively seek to maim or even harm another human being..
This human trait has nothing to do with "martial arts". Martial arts does not train you on how to react when your nose or jaw is broken or your eyes are filled with blood.
Mostly tho... you will not be attacked unless you are in a situation that breeds that.... women and booze. Most people are not so much attacked as.... robbed.
stay out of the bars is probly the best "martial arts" advice I can give. keep your distance is next.
lazs
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Out of curiosity.
How many here have actually been in a situation to be attacked by surprise?
How about robbed? If so, what type of threat/weapon did they use?
I'm 43 and have never been attacked or threatened with an attack.
My dwellings have been burgled twice in my lifetime.
I feel quite safe in present day America.
We have a much higher chance of getting in a car accident or dying from complications of a poor diet/lack of excercise/tobacco and/or alcohol use than by a gun, knife, bat, etc.
These gun threads are kind of silly with the "we'll be so much safer without them" arguments. Fact is we're all going to die one day. The odds of it being ended by violence will be very small.
I don't want to be a part of a society that thinks that by banning things like guns, knives, etc, that all of a sudden we'll be safer. We won't. People will continue to use "tools" to further their aims regardless of the laws.
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1974 shakey's pizza parlor in Englewood Colorado after football game.
Some friends and I were standing in line when two guys burst in waving pistols around.
One of them came up to my friend an I and said turn around and face the wall.
And ya know what?
Thats exactly what we did.
No one was hurt they made a get away.
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womblat
since the story is made up anyway you should have said
"I spun around and used my judo sniper hand of death attack and killed him in one blow"
In you case it would be just as credible.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Out of curiosity.
How many here have actually been in a situation to be attacked by surprise?
How about robbed? If so, what type of threat/weapon did they use?
I'm 43 and have never been attacked or threatened with an attack.
My dwellings have been burgled twice in my lifetime.
I feel quite safe in present day America.
We have a much higher chance of getting in a car accident or dying from complications of a poor diet/lack of excercise/tobacco and/or alcohol use than by a gun, knife, bat, etc.
These gun threads are kind of silly with the "we'll be so much safer without them" arguments. Fact is we're all going to die one day. The odds of it being ended by violence will be very small.
I don't want to be a part of a society that thinks that by banning things like guns, knives, etc, that all of a sudden we'll be safer. We won't. People will continue to use "tools" to further their aims regardless of the laws.
March 1998 Oakland California.
I came home at lunch time and parked my vehicle in front of my house. A gentelman was standing in the alley between my property and my neighbors holding a kitchen knife. I stepped out of my vehical, keeping it between me and the person and asked why he was on my property. He lied telling me the lady who lived in my house had said he could. I had left her 15 minutes earlier where she and I worked together. I asked him to leave my property because he was trespassing. He refused. At the same time he hid his knife from my view behind his back. I asked him to show me what was in his hand. He refused. I stepped to the front of my vehicle and unzipped my fanny pouch placing my hand on my glock 27 in preparation for a cross draw. I then gave him 2 choices, run away now, or I would shoot him. He chose to run, and we are both alive.
Being that I live in california, this is Oakland, and I am white while he was black, I did not want any adittional problems. His choosing to run was sufficient for me. During the late 90's I worked in Richmond CA for a EDI company QRS Corp. at a bay front business park. 2 miles away was a neighborhood the local PD was not willing to go into after dark. In 2 years there had been 6 shootings with 2 fatalities within a mile of where I parked. Both of people working in the business park. One shooting was a hollywood style drug dealer bust shootout in a parking lot 300 yards from my parking spot. Since I often went home after 9pm at night, I chose to carry.
At the time it seemed prudent, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. All of the stances on morality in history will not bring your life back.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
womblat
since the story is made up anyway you should have said
"I spun around and used my judo sniper hand of death attack and killed him in one blow"
In you case it would be just as credible.
Since I gave my word to Skuzzy I simply will not let the likes of you taught me into a pissing match.
Enjoy yourself.
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Your self control will crumble, it always does.
Still that should have been funny even to you snipperboy.
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wombatt,
I beleive you. What reason would you have to make up such a story? I used to work in Fremont CA in the early 90's for Media Vision sound card company at a business park off of 880 near the land fill. GtoRA2 is from Fremont. He knows crime happens. Fremont has its share. Some people get caught in the middle.
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Bustr,
Too bad they don't have stats for those situations where having a gun prevented violence, injuries, and even death. Your specific case proves that.
Would you have confronted the stranger if you weren't armed with a firearm?
Amazing how a firearm in the right hands frees us from fear and can actually prevent violence.
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SaburoS,
I did not want to be in that position to begin with. No matter how justified my action, I would still have been shooting another person. 10 years earlier I probably would have pulled the tire iron from under my front seat and asked him to leave. Then, I was stupid enough to believe I had an edge from years of training in Kenjutsu and Aikijutsu. By the early 90's I had stopped training in Martial Arts because I wanted to make a living and provide for my retirement and find a lady who would want to be with me. When I was working at QRS in Richmond CA, the 2 homicides so close to where I worked made me look at myself honestly. I'm not superman, I did not want to be shot and my now O'l lady worked as an HR Manager at QRS and kept the same hours I did.
I am a healthy coward. I want to live. But I was not going to hand my freedom, my girlfreinds and my co worker freinds freedom over to a criminal in the parking lot if there was a chance I could do something. I do not know what the word is to describe a person who is so selfish and afraid that they will sacrifice the lives of others to stay alive one second longer. I don't want to wear that lable. I love the gift of my life and so I love it for others. I chose to live with the consiquenses. I have noticed many of us these days would prefer to avoid this reality at all costs. None of my co workers were willing to do anything for their own safety or even approach the subject.
Guess I have rambled. I don't have an answer. I made a choice.
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The examples quoted above are just the reason I shoot in IDPA competion about once a month. You need to be under some type of 'pressure' to do any good.
If you ever have to use a firearm to protect yourself it most likely will be in a confusing situation, in bad light when you are scared to death.
It's also the reason I use 9mm. You're not going to stop an attack unless you can hit the Attacker and 9mm gives you the best chance of getting the two good 'hits' necessary in that situation .
Or, you can just be a 'victim'...
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bustr
Lived here all my life and yeah crime happends lol. I almost got arested for street racing in the area you mentioned.
Why would he make it up?
Why did he make up being an EMT?
Or SNiper?
Or expert scuba diver?
you cant trust anything he says, though since this one is not as flatering as his uber sniper image it MAY be true? Who can tell? Who really cares?
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Originally posted by wombatt
1974 shakey's pizza parlor in Englewood Colorado after football game.
Some friends and I were standing in line when two guys burst in waving pistols around.
One of them came up to my friend an I and said turn around and face the wall.
And ya know what?
Thats exactly what we did.
No one was hurt they made a get away.
The first line says it all. 1974. It was a whole different world then. Nowadays in a lot of instances the robbers/attackers are so high they are doing good to know what planet they are on . A lot do not care whether you live or die in a situation like this and there is a lot out there that will cap your *** just for the pleasure of it.
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Out of curiosity.
How many here have actually been in a situation to be attacked by surprise?
How about robbed? If so, what type of threat/weapon did they use?
I'm 43 and have never been attacked or threatened with an attack.
My dwellings have been burgled twice in my lifetime.
You must be charmed.
I have been attacked in my lifetime more times than I can count and with just about everything in the book from guns to chairs.
I still carry some lead in my back from a 12 gauge. My wife missed it when she was digging the rest out.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
bustr
Lived here all my life and yeah crime happends lol. I almost got arested for street racing in the area you mentioned.
Why would he make it up?
Why did he make up being an EMT?
Or SNiper?
Or expert scuba diver?
you cant trust anything he says, though since this one is not as flatering as his uber sniper image it MAY be true? Who can tell? Who really cares?
If I have offended you I offer my apology.
I have a freind who is a Vietnam vet, he was at hill 56 as a 3rd Marine sniper. We used to shoot together at the range in Anthony Chabot Regional Park. He passed on to me everything he learned about shooting. But that does not make me a sniper. He used to get a bit peeved when people called themselves what they were not. I don't know, Iv'e never met anyone on this board.:)
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Bustr
No I am not offended at all. Its good to see someone who knows my area hehe
If you do not know the sad story of wombat and all his IDs, his threads, his lies and foolishness you are either missing out or lucky!
I have fired my share of rounds up at chabot, hehe nice range when it is not raining ehhe.
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A coupla years ago (and no, the gun debate here hasn't changed one lick since then - only the names of the rappers on the Billboard 100) I asked "in what circumstances has anyone actually had to use a gun." The same question as was just posed here.
There wasn't really any response to that, except that I remember something like Lazs waking up to noise, and chasing off some guy/s trying to steal his car.
Meanwhile, he plays up the fact that city folk live in a minority-laden cesspool, while he lives in the crime-free nirvana known as Dixon California. Yet... the guns. For... protection.
I'm not pro-gun. I'm not anti-gun. I'm who-gives-a-rats-arse-about-guns.
To me? Honestly there is a psychological component at work that can't be ignored. Fantasy-land. It's about being on the defense. Perceived threats. Daydreaming about the time (which is never going to come unless you are a statisctical abberation) when you actually have to use it.
Super-hero type fantasy chit.
I'm gonna take a stab at why that is. Or at least one aspect. And I aint talking about hunting.... that's a whole nuther thing which I understand completely.
K.
Lets take a typical hobby. Fishing, or say golf. Now when someone buys the required equipment, they get to actually use it. And spare me the "gun ranges," because that's tantamount to casting a lure into my back yard.
Guns weren't made for shattering bottles. That's just prep-work for the show that aint never going to come. Or will it? .. ah, "what I'd do, if..."... BAM! Back into fantasy land.
So what can a gun owner who will never get to use his gun do except daydream about using it? Nothing.
But what kind of hobby is that? What can a gun enthusiast get enthusiastic over?
Really, it is the possibilities... The "ifs". Fantasyland.
So what gives these fantasies real juice? It is the crime statistics; it is the defense of the 2nd Ammendment; it is in reading magazines about other people's statistically rare brush with a gun being used by somebody somewhere.
And it is in defending pretty-much insignificant objects on a BBS.
They may not get their dream gun fight ever in their lives, but they can get fights about guns. I suppose that will have to do. Not many facets to being a gun enthusiast, and so not a hell of a lot of other options. Arguing about guns is every bit as much a part of owning a gun as using one.
Show me a gun owner who doesn't care what the hell you think about him having a gun, and I'll show you the rare Ginkacto bird found only in the deepest reaches of the jungle Quanzania.
Conversely, tell me that my fishing rod kills innocent fish and you'll be lucky if I'm feeling arsed enough to reply. That is if I'm not already out fishing.
Neways... have at 'er.
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Originally posted by bustr
If I have offended you I offer my apology.
I have a freind who is a Vietnam vet, he was at hill 56 as a 3rd Marine sniper. We used to shoot together at the range in Anthony Chabot Regional Park. He passed on to me everything he learned about shooting. But that does not make me a sniper. He used to get a bit peeved when people called themselves what they were not. I don't know, Iv'e never met anyone on this board.:)
Well would be glad to shoot the bull with ya any time bustr.
It is refreshing to hear from someone that might know what the hell he is yalking about.
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Originally posted by bustr
SaburoS,
I did not want to be in that position to begin with. No matter how justified my action, I would still have been shooting another person. 10 years earlier I probably would have pulled the tire iron from under my front seat and asked him to leave. Then, I was stupid enough to believe I had an edge from years of training in Kenjutsu and Aikijutsu. By the early 90's I had stopped training in Martial Arts because I wanted to make a living and provide for my retirement and find a lady who would want to be with me. When I was working at QRS in Richmond CA, the 2 homicides so close to where I worked made me look at myself honestly. I'm not superman, I did not want to be shot and my now O'l lady worked as an HR Manager at QRS and kept the same hours I did.
I am a healthy coward. I want to live. But I was not going to hand my freedom, my girlfreinds and my co worker freinds freedom over to a criminal in the parking lot if there was a chance I could do something. I do not know what the word is to describe a person who is so selfish and afraid that they will sacrifice the lives of others to stay alive one second longer. I don't want to wear that lable. I love the gift of my life and so I love it for others. I chose to live with the consiquenses. I have noticed many of us these days would prefer to avoid this reality at all costs. None of my co workers were willing to do anything for their own safety or even approach the subject.
Guess I have rambled. I don't have an answer. I made a choice.
No you did not ramble at all.
Probably the most intelligent post in this thread .
I like you am a survivor and being the happy idiot that I am will
run like a rabbit if thats what it takes to survive.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Bustr
No I am not offended at all. Its good to see someone who knows my area hehe
If you do not know the sad story of wombat and all his IDs, his threads, his lies and foolishness you are either missing out or lucky!
I have fired my share of rounds up at chabot, hehe nice range when it is not raining ehhe.
I'm pretty sure wombatt isn't MrBlack.
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Bustr
Take him up on it, then you can see all his "proof" lol. Just keep in mind it has been posted and many guys who are legit here debunked it.
Maybe womby has gotten better with photoshop!
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Nash,
On a lighter side,
I enjoy renovating WW2 battle rifles that I buy for less than $250. It's fun to me going from finding the deal, bringing it home, restoring it if needed, then casting lead bullits and hand loading rounds for it. There is no garuntee that all of my work will result in a 2 inch pattern at 100 yards. More often at the start a 3-4 inch pattern in an upper corner of the target. Then I'm left with the fun of doing load workup to find the optimum powder load that will tighten my pattern. I also get to spend a day with a bunch of like minded and very personable folks at the range enjoying and sharing the results of my efforts.
Kinda like restoring cars and customising the engine and drive train to get that speed fix. Then going out on the weekend with your freinds to try it out.
I know many owners of firearms who don't live the fantasy you speak of. Some number of them spent active duty time in awfull places and the bearing of arms is a part of their lives. Once you have been there the fantasy like virginity is gone. I'll have to think about when the last time was I wished for something that awfull to happen to me and those I love. Isnt that sorta counter productive to having a loving family, a successful carrer, and folks who love and respect you as a good human being?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Bustr
Take him up on it, then you can see all his "proof" lol.
GtoRA2,
I don't know wombat. If he gave his word to skuzzy then thats good enough. Each of us has to live with how we display our lives to others. I find Boards like this a bit too seductive because we are each anonymous. I will attempt to comport myself in a manner that I can live with.:) I hope you and wombat can at least find ground to enjoy some part of your mutual discord.:)
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Storch,
he is, he admited it when he had a minny melt down and went on about how he was there when he and drunky were to meet and drunky did not show..
thats proof, and he is not longer trying to hide it.
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Thats some NICE bait Nash, fantastic.
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Well... bustr, that was well said. I don't discount that aspect of the hobby. Funked made a post recently about aquiring a stock and it falls into the same sort of category you're talking about. All good.
I don't how to describe the aspect you touch on. Maybe engineering and sport are the best words to use.
But why are these aspects completely drowned out by 2nd ammendment, crime, what-politician-did-what types of posts? Why do posts having nothing to do with the gun's actual use get completely drowned out by posts of a "what-if" nature? Be it "what if you experienced a home invasion?", be it "what if our guns were taken away?", and be it "if such and such a country had gun law X..."
A post about hitting targets will hit 20, maybe. A post about gun rats goes through the roof.
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Well Nash some people enjoy bowling and some golf or playing pool.
And then some of us enjoy target shooting.
Or to be more correct Long distance precision shooting.
It is very hard to place a round consistently in a tight grouping at 1000 yds you have to contend with wind 'humidity temp and a host of other factors that can effect a round going that far down range.
Then there are your reloads most everyone shooting these compititions reloads there own ammo custom taylored for there rifles action and barrel and given weather conditions.
But to me the best part Is the zen you know that moment of total
body relaxation needed to control and steady the rifle.
There can be no movement at all.
You even get to the point where you fire in between heart beats
as you own heart beat will throw off your shot.
Any way I hope I explained why some people enjoy fire arms this is just my reasons.
I own no hand guns only shot guns and rifles thats my thing.
I have no need for a pistol.
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Again, as I said in my initial post, I was commenting on one aspect of gun ownership. If this BBS is any indication, the predominant aspect.
Because frankly, we don't see alotta "tight groupings" posts around here.
"What's your custom tailored ammo" posts? Practically extinct if they ever existed at all.
Yet the other kinds of gun posts? Every day, like clockwork.
Ask lazs about tight groupings, zen, and the art of total body relaxation. Chances are...
It's not going to happen. Least it hasn't happend yet.
"What ifs", on the other hand, is common grist for the mill.
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Originally posted by Nash
Again, as I said in my initial post, I was commenting on one aspect of gun ownership. If this BBS is any indication, the predominant aspect.
Because frankly, we don't see alotta "tight groupings" posts around here.
"What's your custom tailored ammo" posts? Practically extinct if they ever existed at all.
Yet the other kinds of gun posts? Every day, like clockwork.
Ask lazs about tight groupings, zen, and the art of total body relaxation. Chances are...
It's not going to happen. Least it hasn't happend yet.
"What ifs", on the other hand, is common grist for the mill.
I see your point.
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Then there's guys like me. I'm not gun fanatic, but have always owned at least one gun since I was a kid and never have owned a handgun.
I currently only own my Russian SKS after having sold a pre-ban min-14, with folding stock.
I mostly just go into the desert now and then and plink at fruit and cans, targets and whatever. It's fun.
About the gun posts, I jump in now and then but nothing really serious. I feel that it is my right to own a gun if I want to and beyond that, I don't much care about what anyone says about guns......as long as they don't pose a threat of taking them away from me.
I care more about what people say about my country and our guns laws, if that makes any sense Nash.
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Well that would explain why it is that I didn't even know you had a gun.
You have one, and do what it is ya want to, and life goes on.
Now...
What is one supposed to make of the fact that certain people (a whole lotta certain people) get completely wound up about the whole thing?
And that those certain people seem to be the farthest removed from, say, custom gun assembly or competative shooting?
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Originally posted by Nash
What is one supposed to make of the fact that certain people (a whole lotta certain people) get completely wound up about the whole thing?
And that those certain people seem to be the farthest removed from, say, custom gun assembly or competative shooting?
The thing that gets everyone going is the issue of gun laws and debating gun bans verses rights to own guns . It's not about the guns themselves, it's about the logic and debate regarding gun laws.
It's not the same as someone posting a picture of their gun collection or talking about ammo, or technical apsects of firearms ( which has been done here). Those posts will not generate the intense arguments as the ones that focus on gun laws. An element of it seems to be about America verses everyone else too......each side trying to make a point that they will never convince the other side about.
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Nash,
I have no clue where you call home. It's not my business to know. Your privicy is your right as a human being.
The extream responses about gun ownership and the exerscise of self preservation for whatever reason reflect, aside from any negative digs from our audience, a love of the freedom that the United States protects for its citizens. You cannot separate from them that love and the blind love of the contract our constitution makes with us that our right to the preservation of Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness has been given us as a gift from the Creator. This then makes us all equal in the eyes of the Creator, and not abridgable by any human against another human.
They beleive in your freedom and right to life to the same extream that you unconciously will always choose life for yourself in all circumstances. In reverse when you question their unwavering belief in their God give right to protect their lives and the lives of others. You then present yourself as a quandry, don't you Nash beleive in Life and Freedom?
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It's about why anyone would think they have the audacity to try to deny me the rights granted to me by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
It's about the disaster that looms if no one speaks out against these bozos.
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Oh the AUDACITY! Pry the gun from my cold dead hands! Or whatever.
Uh yes, yes I do bustr. I do believe in "Life and Freedom".
But I don't gotta sound like a zombie while doing so, do I?
I gotta admit, there was a certain something about the way you tied your words together there, almost as if I was living in the 1800's. And no doubt, the good patriots will come rallying.
I guess it would only be fair to respond by saying... lemme see.. All you need is love, and guns don't kill people - people with guns kill people.
But this isn't going to get us anywhere at all, is it?
Lookit, the gun law debates are never about, say, new regulations in target shooting.
Instead, the gun debates surround the issue of having the ability to protect oneself. It always, always, always ALWAYS is that.
The ability to protect oneself naturally leads to "what if" discussions. Say, "what if" Britain had less strict gun laws. Or "what if" only the criminals had access to guns.
Ya see, we're talking about two completely different breeds of gun owners.
Sure, the one type of gun enthusiast shares some fundamental concerns with the other type. Yet but for the other type it is far less about the guns than it is about the concerns.
If that doesn't make any sense, try this simple equation:
Time spent talking about guns on a BBS, expressed in minutes, as compared to time spent actually shooting guns.
Or time spent talking about the legal or societal issues, as compared to time spent talking about guns with regard to marksmanship, craftsmanship, history, etc.
Something is going to become apparent.
And I think that with a certain type of gun owner, the part of the brain that would so invest itself with the self-defense aspect of gun ownership, is naturally going to seek out other situations where defense is invloved. That would be defending the ability to own guns in the first place. So it's either pimps or Presidents. Either way, ya gotsa to self defend!
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Storch,
he is, he admited it when he had a minny melt down and went on about how he was there when he and drunky were to meet and drunky did not show..
thats proof, and he is not longer trying to hide it.
really?? well welcome back mrBlack, I'm looking forward to your next meltdown. Don't disappoint us. :D
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Originally posted by JoOwEn
yourself, family or loved ones from a violent crime. Do you own a gun, take self defense courses or maybe just a glof club? I just realised that Im a 145 lbs defensless young man. maybe I should take some karoke courses.
http://www.ivillage.co.uk/newspol/camp/crime/articles/0,,185958_186520,00.html
I think the best bet is to look around your neighborhood and if anyone seems disreputable, simply invade thier house before they invade yours. ;)
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Originally posted by storch
really?? well welcome back mrBlack, I'm looking forward to your next meltdown. Don't disappoint us. :D
Got some beach front swamp land for sale!
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Hiya lazs, I know we're both early risers... and that's when you get yer BBS time in. But I'm sleeping in, and unfortunately we're not gonna be able to have breakfast together today. So I'll leave ya with this to keep ya busy, and we'll do breakfast tomorrow.
Guns. And Lazs.
There is a striking simularity in all this with the PETA action. You get one set of nutjobs saying its bad to eat meat, and the other side goes "Oh yeah?!" and proceeds to rub a porkchop all over themselves.
Who is ultimately right? It doesn't matter. Because by that point, who cares ? They're all looney tunes.
It is my completely bullchit opinion that you are doing guys like Toad (I'm gonna use him as an example for a while) and all the regular gun owners out there one huge disservice.
They got guns. They actually use them for something. They're well aware of the whole gun debate and the 2nd amendment etc. But you never hear Toad talking about protection from any home invasion, or if a sawed-off would better do the trick if you encountered the invader in a narrow hallway.
Or making Dixon California safe.
Okay, comparison's sake.... ya look at the fishing BBS' and its all about the craft, the technique. Once in a long LONG long while you get someone talking about some political issue. But very few and far between. Mostly, yeah, it's about fishing.
Why is it then that the gun discussions here never seem to revolve around, well, using GUNS?
Lazs, back last Fall you mentioned some book which is called (I think) The Arming of America. Something like that anyways. At that point I had seen you reference it so many times that I had to check. I did a search on lazs + arming america. I got back no less than 18 billion, 3 quadrillion and seventy-two threads with your name on it.
A political book. About gun ownership. Not about gun shootin'. Not about guns themselves. No... Just gun rats. That's all. 18 billion, 3 quadrillion and seventy-two threads about nothing more than gun rats.
What I'm saying Lazs, is that guys like you pick fights, and you get them. Guys like Toad never pick fights, never start threads about guns. They just go out in the hills somewhere and shoot stuff.
Contrary to however big you think the bogeyman is that you've constructed, nobody really has that much of a prollem with that.
But you are that different breed of gun owner. Your gig is defence. Aside from blastin' a few bottles here and there, you own guns for defence, and you make threads about guns in order to defend the guns you own to defend yourself.
I would say, quite frankly, that it would be a huge mistake for regular gun owners to get too entwined in a lazs gun rats debate. Lest risking spreading porkchop on themselves. There are plenty of good reasons to own guns. But those reasons go right out the window when the predominant reason seems to have become enabling one's self to spend hours arguing about merely owning guns, and merely the right to do so.
At least those types of guys get driven off the fishing BBS faster than you could say "Bang, you're dead." Because, who needs it?
Anyways, good morning. :)
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Nash,
From your last response:
NASH: Something is going to become apparent.
And I think that with a certain type of gun owner, the part of the brain that would so invest itself with the self-defense aspect of gun ownership, is naturally going to seek out other situations where defense is invloved. That would be defending the ability to own guns in the first place. So it's either pimps or Presidents. Either way, ya gotsa to self defend! :NASH
NASH,
Why are you afraid of people with whepons? Are you afraid in general of the unlimited potential all human beings have for viloence? You are recognising one of mankinds fundimental flaws. The U.S. constitution accounts for much of human nature in its wisdom. Power is a magnet to weak people. People kill each other for emotional reasons. The ability to use deadly force counters corruption and the homicide due to some weak humans.
Human evil exists. We all have experienced variations of it in ourselves. And so each of us is qualified to recognise it when we see it!! The constitution gaurds the right of its beneficiaries to protect their lives from the evil weaknesses of human kind.
It seems you have not made up your mind if you can live in this imperfict world of potentially violent human beings. So would you make the good guys unable to protect their lives from the bad guys so that your moment of destiny will never come in this life time????? Are you one of those who would do anything to live ONE second longer on the backs of your fellow recipients of the gift of life?????? Please answer this last question in a bianary format. Anything else would illuminate an adversion to the light of truthfull self inspection and leave your credibility questionable at best in the face of those multitudes who have died from human evil before you.
Given that this is a Board, I suspect you will have another cold dead hands response. Anonymnoty is also a human weakness.
skuzzy: I understand my content may incur a deletion of this post. I apologise if I have stepped over the bounds of good taste for this Board.
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Nash,
Pick any topic that involves to the core emotion. Those topics whether it be gun rights, religion, evolution, taxes, culture, etc., etc., turn into loooong threads mostly painted with the "logic" as we see fit to fill what we see with our own bias.
Being this has turned into a gun thread, I'll give you my experiences. I'm 43. My parents were into many hobbies, among them was plinking and target shooting. We were afforded the luxury of not having to depend on hunting for our food. First time I went shooting I was 6-7 y.o., my sister 5. I was in the Junior NRA at 7.
Fast forward to public high school where one of the electives to choose was riflery. Since the start of high school I had severe tendinitis of my left hamstring region that eventually took 10 years to fully recover. Senior year joined the rifle team (one had to qualify as Expert - US Army small bore 50' indoor). We ended up as city champs and I was also a part of the winning team in the Tri-City meet. I took 2nd place individual - Kneeling.
It's wierd but through my target shooting, I can drop my heart rate 15-20 bps in about 2-4 seconds (most people can do that actually with practice).
It was the only "sport" I could compete at given my debilitaing injury.
Fast forward to present day. I own a Remington 700 PSS .308 bolt action, a California and Federal legal (at the time) modified L1A1 .308 semi auto rifle, and a SigSauer P220-45 with a Barstow stainless steel barrel. I, like a vast majority of law abiding, gun owning US citizens, don't go around packing looking for trouble.
It is our culture. Is it slowly changing? Sure is as it is everywhere else.
What do you think the real odds are of those that are into guns, turning to criminals and going out to randomly kill people? Miniscule.
How about from accidental (idiot handling) discharge? Miniscule.
What are the odds of walking down a US city street and getting shot at? Miniscule.
As a matter of fact, not a single friend or family member has ever been in that situation.
It is easy to read/watch/listen to the media about a single incident here or there and think it is happening EVERYWHERE and all the time, when in fact it is extremely rare.
How about potential violent situations that are prevented because of a citizen brandishing a gun? Not as miniscule.
We just don't see those situations in the media (usually because someone isn't going to call the local paper/tv news station and report "Guess what I did!....").
I am about a risk of 1000-10000 times more likely to die from a heart attack/stroke(high blood cholesterol), or vehicle accident as opposed to my getting shot. We are all going to die at some point.
Point is, I don't think you really need to worry about it. So what if some gun enthusiasts get worked up about their gun ownership rights? It's the same as if we're talking about evolution, politics, religion, sports, music, cars, etc.
It's an emotional thing ;)
BTW, how's your diet and exercise? You run a risk of dying early if it's poor. How about getting into a vehicle? You run a greater risk of getting killed.
Don't worry about the gun thing. There are many more things to worry about that are much higher on the "gonna kill me early" list.
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subaru... 1.5 to 3 million crimes a year are stopped by citizens with firearms... Proof enough?
nash... u need to dig a little deeper... you went just deep enough to "prove" the conclusion you allready held. You point to one incident where I was repeatedly asked if I had ever used a gun for defense.... you fail to point out the numerous times I talk about history and plinking and reloading and general recreation.
I am absoluetly sure that I get as much use and entertainment out of guns as you do out of fishing (which I find a silly waste of time and never hear you talk about cooking or eating fish).
I load probly 5,000 or so rounds a year. What do you think I do wioth em? horde em for burglars? I own guns that are considered pretty passe by the self defense crowd... why do you think I own them?
I have talked numerous times about taking new shooters out and teaching them safe gun handling and how I NEVER TOOK ANYONE OUT SHOOTING WHO DIDN'T HAVE A REALLY GOOD TIME. conversly.... I have been out fishing and I would rather paint the living room or watch the food channel.
Allmost all my posts that have anthing to do with self defense of the 2nd are in response to someone saying we have no right to either... Toad responds exactly the same way to such posts.
I constantly talk about getting in the elky and going shooting... youi are either lieing on purpose or letting your prejudice blind you.... I suspect the latter as it is pretty much a pattern with you on all subjects I have seen.
I talk about the mechanical beauty and history and fun of firearms all the time. I have a gun culture. I am around em all the time. they are also the best tool in a lot of cases for stopping agressive behavior as our founding fathers noted. No big deal really.
If anyone here wants to talk about plinking or reloading (mini has in the past) then I will be glad to bore them for hours...
I have a standing invitation to take anyone here out shooting if they wish when they visit me... Why? you tell me nash... what is my motive? Ask beet.... did we shoot at pictures of people from behind cover when he visited? Ask him if we had..... FUN. Ask him if we were SAFE.
I belong to a shooting range where all you can do is shoot at targets. Do I go there to seek out crimionals to shoot? I have a binder full of targets with the load that I made and used in grains and group size... I like to have accurate guns and loads for "plinking" and "work" hard at it.
The things you "work" at to fish are a total waste of time in my book but I realize you enjoy it...
lazs
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and subaru... I agree... the chances of using a gun to defend yourself is minimal... the chance of being injured by one is minimal... only 10% of the people would carry guns if they could.
I think the fact that so many guns are out there increases the cahnce that they won't be needed (hot burglaries here as oppossed to england for instance) criminals interviewed in jail say that they fear armed citizens more than the police.
That lessen the chance not increases it... and that is as it should be. I believe that an armed society is a polite society where youth and strength don't rule but common polite courtesy has a chance.
lazs
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I got 3 cats, my wife and a axe (wich i actually use for chopping wood) to protect me and I feel fine.
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Originally posted by bustr
Are you one of those who would do anything to live ONE second longer on the backs of your fellow recipients of the gift of life?????? Please answer this last question in a bianary format. Anything else would illuminate an adversion to the light of truthfull self inspection and leave your credibility questionable at best in the face of those multitudes who have died from human evil before you.
Wot?
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ok nash... guess I made it too complicated for you.
Just like some people fish only for the love of the equipment or for the catch or to eat em or to catch and release..
shooting and firearms is a multifaceted hobby some emphasize defense (women and elderly/infirm who keep a gun soley for defense).. some do it for the historical value some to hunt some to do bulseye some to do other shooting sports and some to plink at cans and some to get into repair, customizing and reloading.
now... I am into every facet of guns to some extent. How I will react and interact is based on how you come at me... if you get all UN or george soros on me I will bet huffy and stand on my rights and prove their worth..
If you come at me wanting to know the best gun for plinking I will go on for hours about plinking... same for reloading.. Do you want to know a cheap accurate 44 mag load? well... I got opinions.
Now...
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lets say that 30% of your politicians were out to ban fishing... say the link between divorce and fishing was being used as an excuse and these guys had the backing of the UN and were funded by busybody foreigners like george soros... you know they are wrong but they keep bringing up the divorce rate and women beaten or killed by selfish fisherman and people in other countries who know nothing about fishing can't see why you need to tie flys or polish your pole or whatever it is you do.
will you react differently when these guys come at you than you do when someone want's to know what you think is the best pole polish? or fly tyer or whatever? Will you try to stop incramental bans of your equipment by people that you know have a total ban as an agenda?
lazs
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hmm... he musta went fishing.
lazs
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Originally posted by airguard
I got 3 cats, my wife and a axe (wich i actually use for chopping wood) to protect me and I feel fine.
LOL men :D
well my kitchen is closer that my doors
my kitchen is full of a lot of various tools :D
i dont feel need of gun, i think that most people doesnt fear that much overhere.
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99% of the time I don't feel I need a gun either but...
since I enjoy em and they are around me anyway..... why not use the best tool for the job?
If you had a gun near you and were attacked in your kitchen.... would you put it down and grab a butcher knife or an axe?
Maybe I'm not getting your point?
lazs
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Either Nash`s Ritalin kicked in or he passed out while on the floor kicking and screaming while holding his breath. :D
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now I feel guilty about telling him that if he held his breath long enough he would be able to come up with a coherant reply.
lazs
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lada... if the gun were the closest tool what would you use?
If you were in a wheelchair what would you use?
If I came at you with a 3 foot steel crowbar would you pick up the gun or the knife to defend yourself?
If I came at you with 3 other guys with crowbars what kitchen utensil would work the best?
It is simply a matter of tools. One should allways use the best tool for the job if it is availabel... If not... improvise. You seem to feel that not being allowed a choice of tools is a good thing. I feel that choice is allways best.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
lada... if the gun were the closest tool what would you use?
If you were in a wheelchair what would you use?
If I came at you with a 3 foot steel crowbar would you pick up the gun or the knife to defend yourself?
If I came at you with 3 other guys with crowbars what kitchen utensil would work the best?
It is simply a matter of tools. One should allways use the best tool for the job if it is availabel... If not... improvise. You seem to feel that not being allowed a choice of tools is a good thing. I feel that choice is allways best.
lazs
1. Woden stick and mouth
2. Mouth and gun
3. some of the mace for preparing meat (i like fun)
4. 3 guyss.. umm modified mixer would be best option. i would simply run away and call police.
However in our country we usualy do not shot at people even if they are trying to breach our doors.
However we have quite high morale standarts among thiefs, so they run away, when somebody spot them.
:cool:
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Originally posted by lazs2
99% of the time I don't feel I need a gun either but...
since I enjoy em and they are around me anyway..... why not use the best tool for the job?
I bet that you play most of game on "Easy" option :D
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I play the "game" in an FM2... being attacked is not a game to most people.
I am glad that your drug addicts and career criminals are so polite.... If they come here and are wearing a "friend of lada" t shirt I will just run them off with a mean look then.
ours however are not quite so polite... Most would take that stick away from you and use it to make sure that you stood up very straight till you could have a doctor remove it.
lazs
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Originally posted by lada
However in our country we usualy do not shot at people even if they are trying to breach our doors.
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Well that about sums it up. There is a word for that here, but I think I would get banned from the BBS if I used it. :D
If someone trys to "breach" my door and they are not wearing a badge and not holding a piece of paper clearly visible, then they had better give their soul to God because their bellybutton belongs to me.
I`m real finicky about such things.
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I think his country has a history of bending over when threatened with a "breach".
it is a cultural thing I suppose. I think I like the way we do things over here better than the way soviet satalite countries did it.
lazs