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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: EN4CER on January 10, 2005, 04:54:27 PM
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For you SOX, AWMac, etc.
Rottweiler (http://gravediggers.biederman.net/extra/dog.wmv)
Unlike the Bull - after he got one taste, that was enough for him. Good call by the assisting Officer to use the Taser. Poor backdrop to shoot in - To many people around especially children, plus homes.
RPM - Maybe a bunch of guys could wrestle the dog to the ground instead of using the taser?
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The owner of the dog should have got a ticket for failing to control
his animal.
And do they not have a leash law in that city?
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Wrestle down a Rott? You have to be kidding me with this statement. The owner is lucky the officer didn't shoot the dog. That video should have been enough to show the dog is a threat to the community since the owner can't keep it restrained. Had that been a child or even someone who is less agile and aware they would have surely gotten bitten. If they can't control their animals and they will attack like this Rott did they should be put down. It's not the animals fault but to keep the community safe from such events the animal should be put down. It'd be nice to see dog owners be more responsible with their animals.
I own two 80 pound Dobermans and I'd like to see someone wrestle either one of them into submission. It just won't happen. The difference is my dogs will not be aggressive to anyone outside of my yard. Nor will they be aggressive towards people that I introduce to them atleast once or twice with me around at the same time.
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This just makes me sick to my stomach. I am a BIG animal person...BUT, that dog needs to be put down and the owners need to be slapped with a restraining order from ever owning animals. The dog was doing what it was bred to do, attack. It's not the dogs fault, but it should be humanely as possible put down.
Fricken breaks my heart too.
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Cobra I think he's ribbing RPM about his anit-tazer stance that he made in another thread.
What I find horrible is the fact that somone has to get hurt by the dog before they put it down.
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Why is the dog the bad guy in all of this?
It's the azzhat that owns him responsibility to make sure the dog does not get free to hurt any one.
But what will happen is the dog will hurt someone and will be put down.
Yes the dog will pay for his owners stupidity:mad:
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I got $100 bucks says that the owner has trained that dog to hate/attack cops (well the uniform at least) cause it obviously wasnt racial being both the owner and cop were of the same ethnicity
Your right it is very very sad that people take a dog like that and fa-Q its mind up sooo badly that at this point it is not reversable! and that owner should never be allowed to have a dog!
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who has the links to the bull being tazed and the idiot drunk being tased?
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Reminds me a little about The Bates guy in "Psycho", he was also talking to himself.
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I see Gunslinger.
Wombatt unfortunately the dog does end up being the bad guy in the end. If the dog killed someone from an attack then there isn't much you can do to the owner other than fines and maybe some jail time. I'd have to say most animals that are like this are trained to be like this by their owners. Proving that in court though is a different story. What can be proved is the actual attack itself which will in turn get the dog put down and maybe fines and jail time depending on the state.
I'd prefer that the owners are held responsible especially in such cases where the animal is acting beyond what is considered normal in a certain breed. To many people make a mistake when they try to put a label on certain breeds of dogs. I've been told so many times Dobermans are aggressive and incapable of being around children. The most my Dobes have every done was knock over my brothers daughter when they got hyper because she was giving them treats. Though their tails are small, their butts wiggling with the tail still do damage.
It is the owners fault but the dog will end up getting the shaft because the owner is irresponsible.
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For every kid who has had his face ripped off by a dog, I'd like to see 100 of these beasts put down and their owners locked up.
eskimo
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So it only makes a difference if it's a kid that gets hurt? And why a 100 dogs when not all dogs nor owners act this way? Just because it's an animal doesn't mean it's an object you can just dispose of at your leisure.
Because it's a dog and most people immediately think this breed equals bad which means we should exterminate that breed because it's the breed that is the threat and not the humans that own them. Genocide on the canine community is the right answer.
Guess anytime us humans kill someone we should kill a 100 humans of the same breed or same country.
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that cop had good reflexes on the initial lunge.
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Did you see how the dog reacted when the cop he attacked pulled a gun?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Did you see how the dog reacted when the cop he attacked pulled a gun?
threat of getting shot works on more than just crooks.
it seems to me the rott attacked because of the cop's attitude.
the rott was in a protecting mode, is the way it looks to me.
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Videos like that get legislation pushed through.
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Originally posted by DieAz
threat of getting shot works on more than just crooks.
it seems to me the rott attacked because of the cop's attitude.
the rott was in a protecting mode, is the way it looks to me.
really? The cop didnt' look "threatening" walking by in the STREET. It is still Irresponsible to own a dog who is not trained or secured for that matter properly.
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Originally posted by DieAz
threat of getting shot works on more than just crooks.
it seems to me the rott attacked because of the cop's attitude.
the rott was in a protecting mode, is the way it looks to me.
OK the cop walks by talking to the camera...............not threatening anyone nor that damn dog you fool! the dog came at him in the street and what did the owner do???? never got out of his chiar..................
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Originally posted by Cobra412
Wrestle down a Rott?
Just seeing if old Stogey would pipe up, thats all.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
really? The cop didnt' look "threatening" walking by in the STREET. It is still Irresponsible to own a dog who is not trained or secured for that matter properly.
you are human, the rott ain't.
the second part can be debated in many ways.
nahh, not going to.
have a nice day.
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That dog should be captured, loaded aboard a military cargo aircraft, and flown to Iraq, where it can eat as many of those savage people as it wants.
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Originally posted by boxboy28
OK the cop walks by talking to the camera...............not threatening anyone nor that damn dog you fool! the dog came at him in the street and what did the owner do???? never got out of his chiar..................
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by EN4CER
RPM - Maybe a bunch of guys could wrestle the dog to the ground instead of using the taser?
No silly, you kill the dog with a gun. It's a DOG, not a human.
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:lol...
Wrestle down a rottweiler? Ever see what happends when those things gets ahold of a body part? They don't let go, they lock their jaw and tear and thrash as hard and as long as they possibly can.
Getting in close proximity, such as wrestling one down, your in danger of that body part being your neck. Even if it was an arm, those dogs can inflict serious and painful wounds. Not a bright idea to go tampering with one like that.
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Yet again, people overlook the power and simplicity of a .45 to the back of the head.
The dog should be put down too.
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Great restraint for that officer not to shoot, and the other officer to draw his tazer, and hit the dog, in the back of the neck area, scruff.
I myself, being a dog owner, and lover, would of shot the dog.
That dog is def. too protective, and not correctly trained.
A shame, but the dog needs to be put down, or trained extensivly, which is still possible being 6months old.
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I think giving the dog to a proper trainer and giving it the training it needs would be a better solution. Rottweilers by traid are agressive dogs. Like any other dog can be trained to be as gentle as a any other dog.
A friend of mine has one, it's not aggressive what so ever, and can be played/wrestled with by his 10 year old children. He trained the dog himself and it turned out better than I have seen thus far.
I think putting down this dog would be a last resort, if it was truely untrainable.. Then something needs to be done.
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Originally posted by XtrmeJ
Rottweilers by traid are agressive dogs. Like any other dog can be trained to be as gentle as a any other dog.
This is a completely untrue statement. Rotties were originally bred in Germany to pull carts. It was only because of their size and stature that they have been used as protectors. It is possible to breed an aggressive line of Rotties, the same as you can breed an aggressive line of toy poodles. But don't blame it on the natural history of the breed.
Rotties are protective by nature, but they are NOT aggressive. Rotties are passive-aggressive. A well trained/socialized Rottie will protect his owner to the death, but will not go looking for a fight in any way/shape/form. A Rottie simply places himself between his owner and the perceived danger. Should the danger become real, they will attack. But so will a Collie, Cattle Dog, Boxer, or any other dog that has been bred to work with humans.
I had a Rottie when my son was born. She was a gentle giant and loved my boy completely. When I took him out in his stroller she stayed right by his side. If a stranger approached, she stood between them. Even sitting there letting the person talk to and touch my son. But I guarantee you that had the person caused harm they would've drawn back a stump.
Rotties often get lumped in with Pit Bulls since they are large and quite fierce looking. But do keep in mind that the behavior of this breed is COMPLETELY different than that which has been put forth in the media. Don't keep parroting the local news channel and actually research the breed a bit.
Cougar
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Sorry that is what I meant. I did not mean to say they were attackers, but do become very aggressive on the defense, and most people know rott weilers to be very aggressive. If they are not trained, like a few are not, they do tend to become aggressive. My fault, didn't clarify that, and I absolutely did not mean it.
We had a family here that used to breed them. He did not train them, and let them roam the property without giving them attention or anything. He sold the dogs occasionally, but he had over 15 of them. One day they got loose and everyone stayed in doors. One man thought the dogs were gentle, and he was attacked by a few of them just by trying to get to his vehicle. The same can be said for any dog, rott weilers just have the poor title of being vicious. This is not true in all cases, but it does happen.
And as I've written in my earlier post, I agree with you on everything else as well. Thanks for the catch though. :)
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Originally posted by XtrmeJ
If they are not trained, like a few are not, they do tend to become aggressive. My fault, didn't clarify that, and I absolutely did not mean it.
I think I get where you're coming from, but this was the point that I feel is wrong. A Rottie doesn't have any more of a tendancy to become aggressive if left alone than any other dog. Depending on the breeder of course, as is the case with any dog. The problem lies with a handful of unscrupulous breeders spoiling the lines. Their aggressive look has made them popular for wanna-be bad boys and some breeders have bred dogs to fit that stereotype. These are usually the ones that you'll see on the news or read about in the papers.
I apologize for jumping on this, I have a soft spot for Rotties and dogs in general. I live in Tennessee and lately have had the misfortune of seeing how badly most animals around here get treated. This kind of treatment results in behavioral problems that usually end up with some innocent bystander getting stitches. I guess my biggest point is that any dog can be made just as vicious as the one portrayed here. Heck, there's a bassett hound down the street that's spent his whole life at the end of a chain. You can see it in his eyes that if he ever gets loose there's going to be hell to pay.
I'll close saying that I do believe there are breeds that are inherantly aggressive, pit bulls for example. But for the most part a lot of these behavioral problems are backyard breeders ruining purebred lines as well as irresponsible people that either didn't research the particular breed they picked (no, Jack Russells don't make cute lap dogs, even though Frasier says they do) or they didn't have any idea how to raise a responsible dog.
Cougar
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Originally posted by XtrmeJ
Sorry that is what I meant. I did not mean to say they were attackers, but do become very aggressive on the defense,
Just wanted to relate a story about my Rottie. She loved to go for rides in the car. I had a Beretta at the time and put her in the front seat and buckled her up. We stopped for gas and I left the window down about a foot. There was a jerk next to us and he started making sounds at her. She just sat there and watched him while keeping an eye on me as well, didn't move a muscle. As I was walking in to pay he started making growling noises at her and jumping towards the car. I guess he was just trying to get some sort of reaction from her, but she just stayed still. As I was coming back out he got about 5 feet from the car and jumped and barked at her. At that point she figured it was a real threat, jumped up and let loose with a snarl that I had never seen before. This guy about jumped out of his skin and definitely needed to change his shorts. I got back in the car with her and she leaned over and licked my face. Just her way of saying "No worries, i've got your back." ;) God I miss that dog......
Cougar
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Hey I totally agree with you. I too own a dog, an Alaskan Malamute. Wouldn't trade him for anything, and I can see why you jumped me (so to speak). Don't be sorry, I understand where you're comming from. You explain it better than me anyway, and I agree 100%. My typing speed sometimes runs in excess of my wording.
On my drive every morning there is big German Shepard dog that has a chain that is no more than 6 feet long. The house is situated no more than 2 yards away from the highway. The dog is chained up on the road side of the house, and it's chain does not allow it to enter it's "doggy den" that is right next to the road. I find the dog every morning laying outside of it's doghouse right next to the road. There is no land around it, just the house and a cliff on the other, so the dog is never let loose from it's chain, and from what I can tell is poorly taken care of. Could be a very nice dog, but presently looks very ragged.
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I am a rotty owner too and I hate to hear how some folks talk about the dog and have no understanding of the breed itself.
I have had my pup since he was 5 weeks old and hes going on 6 years old now. He's a very people oriented type dog. I feel sorry for the person who tries to hurt me and he is around.
They get a bad rap from media stupidity and the parrots that parrot whats on tv is the ultimate truth so sayeth the tv. Rotties are a companion/ working class dog. Rotties are not bred to attack. Like it has been mentioned its not in their nature unless somebody interviens and makes it happen.
I have come to the conclusion that from here on out I will always probably own rotties. They are a good dog with a few realistic exceptions to the rule unfortunately.
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Hey XtremeJ ever feel like making a call to the animal shelter.
Dang not enough chain to get into his house.....poor fella.
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I used to breed rotties.
They are a difficult breed to manage. They have a tendency towards agression and are very shy.
Rotts will take out a man's throat if they feel confused or humiliated. On a side note, Rotties are not very strong for their size....an 80 lb Rott is not really very dangerous to a grown man, as the man can easily wrestle down the dog.
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I have 2 beagles and a poop.
On a side note, they are easy to wrestle too.
Although once when playing with the poop, she was running at me at leapt at me. I missed grabbing her and the crown of her head hit me square in the nuts. I fell to the ground and the poop proceeded to run several victory laps around the house, leaping over my prostrate form with each roundy.
My wife still thinks it's the funniest thing she's ever seen.
I've never had a better dog.
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Originally posted by Wolf14
Hey XtremeJ ever feel like making a call to the animal shelter.
Dang not enough chain to get into his house.....poor fella.
Actually yes, but I feel very ashamed because I have witnessed this same dog for about four years now and I havn't done a single thing. I'm thinkin I will though, it's almost torture the way it lives. Why would you even want to own a dog if your going your now going to pay it any attention?
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Originally posted by rpm
No silly, you kill the dog with a gun. It's a DOG, not a human.
Just busting your chops RPM - Hey! Finally we agree on something. :aok
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Dogs are smart. They know what a gun looks like, and they do react very compliciitly when shown the gun. Could be they're smarter than people.
Anyhow, there's no reason to shoot a dog, unless it has rabies. That is my greatest fear, but haven't run into that yet, though thought I had when the pit bull jumped a 6 ft. fence and attacked me while I was out on a neighborhood jog.
Wouldn't you know it, that's the only time I didn't carry a .44 Bulldog revolver with me when I jogged. It was the dog's and my lucky day.:D
Les
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I probly wouldn't remain an urban cop long... I would have simply shot the beast.
lazs
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Yeah, but what would you have done about the dog lazs?
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Put the owner down...
Mox
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er... beasts.
lazs
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Yeah, if you can't get away with it scott free, there's no point in doing it. And no way would I have gotten away with that scott free. Would have had to run another mile to get home, and I think someone would have heard the shot at least.
Les
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Originally posted by lazs2
I probly wouldn't remain an urban cop long... I would have simply shot the beast.
lazs
You'd probably shoot an old lady for J-walking :lol
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I would take each jaywalking case on an individual basis.
lazs
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Originally posted by Mox
Put the owner down...
Mox
Right on!
I take the responsability of owning a large dog the same way I do owning a gun.
If the dog hurts someone Ii is not the dogs fault it is MY fault and I shoulf pay the price.
Just as I would or should if I used a gun to hurt someone.
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IMHO, the Rott and Owner deserved to be Tased.
:aok
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After research I have to agree with some that Rotties are not bred to attack and I had a kneejerk reaction to that vid....I'll still give them their space.
However, I stand by my opinion that the local judge needs to slap the owner hard with some punishment.
I also believe any dog mistreated can be aggressive and that dog is a tad too aggressive. If you own an animal it should be treated with respect, otherwise you don't deserve that friend.