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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jodgi on January 11, 2005, 12:36:22 PM
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I'm considering flying the lala these days!
I flew it as a noob, but stopped when I noticed that everyone was flying it. It just wasn't fun for me. I came to think of the lala as a crutch, I wanted to get by without crutches
I've enjoyed flying "the lesser" planes for the longest time. It is the extra challenge I get, by not choosing plane from the topmost shelf, that has fueled my enjoyment.
Today, I fear, I can feel a change coming.
I have seen too many runners, too many people hiding in ack or numbers. It would be ok once in a while... but not like this.
I confess to having flown a lala today.
I chased down a running tiffie after he had vulched our field for a little while. I caught him as he was landing on his, fully up, field. A friend of his upped a spit I had to dispense of, before dealing with the runner pilot again. He had upped a lala ofcourse. I killed him once more before dying to the ack I'd been trying to avoid while fighting.
What other plane could I have used?
What plane can chase down a tiffie intent on running, and then with equal ease dogfight a spit?!
Am I losing it? Am I becoming a lala person?
Part of me felt unclean after that sortie, part of me felt refreshed. Ah, the ambivalence!
Can I blame the MA runner culture for this, or is it only me?
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Sounds to be like you just chose the right tool for the task at hand.
HiTech
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Fight fire with fire:aok
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What happened to "turn the other cheek", Slash?
:p
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I'm always amazed at all the lala bashing...its a very good...but very limited plane....
Obviously its the best low alt E fighter in the game....
But...
It's got very limited range
It's got poor vis
It's got poor ballistics
Hitech hit the nail on the head...for the circumstance you were in it fit nicely...but overall its just another piece of iron with a propeller attached.
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What do you want to do?
Do you want to be 'annoing' in 4 on 1 low while defending a base and actually win the fight? Get in a SpitV.
Do you want to chase runners? Get in a lala, g10, 262, etc
Do you want to engage 4 or 5 guys with a dicent chance at winning? Get in a d9, g10, lala, 51 etc and some alt
Do you want to kill some GVs before getting into AA combat? Get a 38, 47 etc.
Do you want to kill bombers? Dont get in a spit. Take a 110
As HT said. Chose the right tool for the job. I think people- including me - get frustrated when they chose the wrong tool. For example, I'd be looking for runners in a lala only to find 2 or 3 low spits. Or, I will up spitv for base deffence only to find several hi 190s. Wrong tool for the job. Not the 190s fault.
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And most important, Lala is the king of all the runners.
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You all make sense.
However...
lala bashing is politics.
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Originally posted by MANDO
And most important, Lala is the king of all the runners.
Nop, that would be the 190s. Lala can run but not for long. However, I have chaced 190s for up to 4 sectors before I ran out of fuel. :D
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jodgi!!!!!! step away from the light!!!!! I repeat do not go into the light!!!!!!
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The tempest is about 40-50mph faster than EVERY other prop plane in the game. I think IT is the run king. As evidenced by the fact that 90% don't know how to use it and only run from fights and do mindless HO attempts. There is 8% that actually try, but usually end up being cheap-shot-taking HO, run, reverse, HO'ers. Then there's the 2% that actually know how to fly at all in any plane, and just choose to fly the Temp, and do a relatively good job of it.
I might be wrong, but I think it goes Temp, F4u4, D-9, La7, for speed... maybe... it's been a while, I can't remember
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Originally posted by dedalos
Nop, that would be the 190s. Lala can run but not for long. However, I have chaced 190s for up to 4 sectors before I ran out of fuel. :D
You got that right. Dive form ungodly alt, spray and pray, run like ...., I give up, climb my SpitV or N1ki back to 8-10k and wait for him to come back and do it all over again.
If you time it right you can setup a lead turn where they come out tight under your wing tip and fly through your bullet stream. I'm sure they are quite surprised to be going 400+ MPH and get shot down by a SpitV.:aok I can only get this right about 1 in 8-10. the timing is critical.
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Originally posted by humble
I'm always amazed at all the lala bashing...its a very good...but very limited plane....
Obviously its the best low alt E fighter in the game....
But...
It's got very limited range
It's got poor vis
It's got poor ballistics
Hitech hit the nail on the head...for the circumstance you were in it fit nicely...but overall its just another piece of iron with a propeller attached.
Humble,
Use TrackIR in dot mode. LaLa got great vis now. Just make sure you set your best 6 view and F10 it. Dot mode pulls from that file. Ballistics, take the 2 gun package. They just a bit better at 250d. Range, you can milk it by reducing your RPM's until in range of your fight or just cruising. Use WEP only when you need to. Funny how you learn to manage fuel when you start flying Jugasours most of the time.....:)
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Jodgi - fly whatever darn plane you like. I gathered from your first post that you actually like to fight once in awhile. If so, who cares what plane you're in - you'll be fun to run into.
Oh and as far as being run-90's... Nah, they are the salute-earning potatos if you ask me. All you have to do is stick around and try in one and people are practically falling all over themselves saying thanks :D
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Never be embarrassed by the plane you fly...as long as you kill em wtf it matter?
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'Cause it's a lala... :lol
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i can honestly say i never flew the lala in the MA
NEVA!!!!
its pure evil i tell you EVIL
P.S
i might have flown it drunk and i dont remember
:o
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Anybody have a website addy where they sell disguises real cheap? :D
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i fly them a when outmanned and solo. i like the way i can stay alive in it and take on 2 or 3 and still run if more show up. I can tuen descent in a spit but there is no getting away when the rest of the inevitable horde shows up
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Originally posted by jodgi
Can I blame the MA runner culture for this, or is it only me?
Yes
A fast plane is often becoming a necessity now to chase people down.
Try the F4u-4 Jodgi, it can catch things , but even better , with that perk icon - suddenly everyone wants to fight.
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Originally posted by Redd
Try the F4u-4 Jodgi, it can catch things , but even better , with that perk icon - suddenly everyone wants to fight.
I was a normal looking kid in school, certainly not moviestar material... I doubt I could handle that much attention all of a sudden.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
i can honestly say i never flew the lala in the MA
NEVA!!!!
its pure evil i tell you EVIL
P.S
i might have flown it drunk and i dont remember
:o
I've never ever flown an LGay7 either. My dweebery only goes so far, I want to be able to have a modicum of respect for myself after the flight is over...That's just not possible if you fly the Lgay7. The LGay7 is kind of like deer hunting with a bazooka or bass fishing with hand grenades...There's just no 'sport' in it...
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I've never ever flown an LGay7 either. My dweebery only goes so far, I want to be able to have a modicum of respect for myself after the flight is over...That's just not possible if you fly the Lgay7.
Zazen
I would have said that 3 years ago too, but with dweebery now in such abundance, who really cares - fight fire with fire Jodgi ;)
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Originally posted by Redd
I would have said that 3 years ago too, but with dweebery now in such abundance, who really cares - fight fire with fire Jodgi ;)
I have never been a proponent of the , "If I can't beat 'em join em", philosophy. If you are an intelligent person willing to devote some thought and time into adapting tactics to defeat the dweebery you will be a better person for it and enjoy profound satisfaction, a satisfaction you will rob yourself of if you simply 'cop out' and 'stoop' to their level.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I have never been a proponent of the , "If I can't beat 'em join em", philosophy. If you are an intelligent person willing to devote some thought and time into adapting tactics to defeat the dweebery you will be a better person for it and enjoy profound satisfaction, a satisfaction you will rob yourself of if you simply 'cop out' and 'stoop' to their level.
Zazen
Done all that , I might try stooping now ;)
PS> You only fly fast planes , I don't think you can appreciate what Jodgi is talking about, and I am sure he was mainly tongue in cheek anyway , as have I been.
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Originally posted by Redd
Done all that , I might try stooping now ;)
PS> You only fly fast planes , I don't think you can appreciate what Jodgi is talking about, and I am sure he was mainly tongue in cheek anyway , as have I been.
Not true, I fly the F6F quite a bit. I've also been known to take a Spit, Hurricane or Niki on occassion when I'm in the, "Yank n' Bank", mood.
Zazen
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Originally posted by dedalos
Lala can run but not for long. However
Really? A Lala with 100% fuel can run for 35 minutes (using WEP for fuel consumption and x1 fuel mult).
at 380 mph sealevel you can run for 8 sectors. With fuel multiplyer set to 2 you have for 4 sectors. Do you need to run even more?
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Zazen, Redd is dragging me down.
Redd, I'm so confused.
Zazen, is it really that bad to catch a few runners?
Oh no! What have I become!?
My soul is split in twain, my honour lies in the muck...
Somebody stop me... save me!
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jodgi!, its ok but remeber the lala5 is much better imo remeber our lil fight? la5 is great, la7 bla!, throttle bk and get 30 min easily and shot there *** off at 200 yrds:) pick ur fights w/ the right plane have fun bro
:)
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I've never ever flown an LGay7 either. My dweebery only goes so far, I want to be able to have a modicum of respect for myself after the flight is over...That's just not possible if you fly the Lgay7. The LGay7 is kind of like deer hunting with a bazooka or bass fishing with hand grenades...There's just no 'sport' in it...
Zazen
How could you make those comparisons if you NEVER flew it ... your going to take someone elses word for it ?
Very out of place for you ... ;)
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Lgays are skill-less planes. I understand the frustration that might temp you to use one :mad:
"Fight the GOOD fight" not the shamless HANDS UP " I'm crap at dogfighting so i use the Lgay" :rolleyes:
Keep your dignity man. Stay clean :aok
LYNX.....~SOB~
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Originally posted by jodgi
Zazen, Redd is dragging me down.
Redd, I'm so confused.
Zazen, is it really that bad to catch a few runners?
Oh no! What have I become!?
My soul is split in twain, my honour lies in the muck...
Somebody stop me... save me!
<----- Hands jodgi my bottle of Who Hit John.
You will feel better in no time at all. :D
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To tell you the truth I don't really understand what the big deal is about La7's. On average their pilots are amongst the worst in the game. The only thing 90% of Lalas seem to be good for is cherry picking and if you meet one 1 v 1 you'll romp it or watch it fly away, one or the other. 90% couldn't hit a barn, and most are completely clueless without an advantage.
What's the big deal?
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Originally posted by Vudak
To tell you the truth I don't really understand what the big deal is about La7's. On average their pilots are amongst the worst in the game. The only thing 90% of Lalas seem to be good for is cherry picking and if you meet one 1 v 1 you'll romp it or watch it fly away, one or the other. 90% couldn't hit a barn, and most are completely clueless without an advantage.
What's the big deal?
Because they make you feel like a greyhound chasing that little mechanical rabbit, you chase them, you want to catch them , you think for a moment you can catch them .......but of course you never do ;)
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Originally posted by Redd
Because they make you feel like a greyhound chasing that little mechanical rabbit, you chase them, you want to catch them , you think for a moment you can catch them .......but of course you never do ;)
:lol :aok
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Originally posted by jodgi
Zazen, Redd is dragging me down.
Redd, I'm so confused.
Zazen, is it really that bad to catch a few runners?
Oh no! What have I become!?
My soul is split in twain, my honour lies in the muck...
Somebody stop me... save me!
Start slowly Jodgi.
First few sorties just kill LA7's then you won't feel so bad.
Then add in LA5's- kind of like bastard step-child anyway , you still won't feel bad.
After a few more sorties , you can start killing 109's and 190's - they always run away anyway so throw them in for good measure.
While you're at it - you can start killiing niki's and spits - no-one likes them anyway :)
You are still feeling not too bad - and actually kind of liking it.
Toss in Ki-84 , it's like a japanese lala anyway - ok to kill them now
After a few more sorties, it's ok to kill 51's , and tiffies , mostly flown by porkers and HO dweebs , so they're OK to kill now.
Nearly halfway into the plane set and you're still feeling Ok.
So from here on in I'll leave it to your discretion , but there is one rule you need to remember - Never kill the blue planes, one of them might be me ;)
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Blue planes....
mmmmmgggggggggggggggaaaaaaaaa aaaaahhhhhhhhh
:D
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some of the best fights ive had were against Lalas, 190s and 109s.
ok, maybe not 190s :D
if you stay around and fight using your plane's advatages offencively instead of deffensively, it matters not to me what you fly.
the la7 is just another plane, they dont worry me half as much as zekes and hurris.
saying this, i landed a 4 kill sortie in an la7 last tour. did feel kinda like ditching it before the runway to save face... :lol
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Originally posted by mechanic
some of the best fights ive had were against Lalas, 190s and 109s.
Well there are always exceptions to the rule, but I'd say those pilots you were fighting would give you a fun fight in any plane.
ok, maybe not 190s :D
Ok now I'm just upset :D
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Originally posted by Scherf
Blue planes....
mmmmmgggggggggggggggaaaaaaaaa aaaaahhhhhhhhh
:D
Jodgi,
I forgot, kill Mossies on sight ;)
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Who cares what you fly. It's the pilot...
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Originally posted by Vudak
Well there are always exceptions to the rule, but I'd say those pilots you were fighting would give you a fun fight in any plane.
Ok now I'm just upset :D
man, i loved our DA session, maybe we could do some 190 fights? :)
not often in the MA you can find a 190 looking to fight.
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Originally posted by mechanic
man, i loved our DA session, maybe we could do some 190 fights? :)
Hey sure thing! 190 vs. a jug could be fun too, although if it gets real slow the flaps will be an issue.
not often in the MA you can find a 190 looking to fight.
I take it you haven't run into Lazerus or Moot lately eh? ;)
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You know to sit here and call everyone a dweeb for flying the LA7 is pure bs. Everyone one here flys whatever plane fits the situation. I can easily say anyone who flys a 190d9 or P51 above 10k are dweebs, but that not right, its picking the plane for the mission. So many times you have pilots vulching a field. If you want to get off the ground fast with the best firepower available then the LA7 is not a bad choice. So, don't be so quick to condemn the guy flying the LA7 because you feel your so skillful and its below you. Its your fault your in the 50+ eny value plane not his. BTW, I see more noob pilots in P51, P38 and Spitfire's than in LA7's
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Originally posted by SlapShot
How could you make those comparisons if you NEVER flew it ... your going to take someone elses word for it ?
Very out of place for you ... ;)
I am very observant, I see really bad pilots get away with incredible stupidity just because they are in the LGay7. It's a plane you can fly like a complete moron and come out smelling like roses, not very appealing.
Zazen
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Originally posted by BALSUR
You know to sit here and call everyone a dweeb for flying the LA7 is pure bs. Everyone one here flys whatever plane fits the situation. I can easily say anyone who flys a 190d9 or P51 above 10k are dweebs, but that not right, its picking the plane for the mission. So many times you have pilots vulching a field. If you want to get off the ground fast with the best firepower available then the LA7 is not a bad choice. So, don't be so quick to condemn the guy flying the LA7 because you feel your so skillful and its below you. Its your fault your in the 50+ eny value plane not his. BTW, I see more noob pilots in P51, P38 and Spitfire's than in LA7's
It's not BS, it's just tradition.
And I didn't call everyone bad, just most everyone :) There are some La7 pilots who will destroy me, absolutely destroy me and drag my wreck around the city gates seven times or something like that. Then again, odds are the same result would happen nomatter what they were flying when we met up.
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I'll let you all in on a little secret. The LA-5! Not quite as fast, guns are weaker, but it turns and accelerates like a scalded cat. Land 5 kills in a LA-7 and no one bats an eye, land 5 kills in a LA-5 and everyone gives you a "wtg". The funny part is I think the LA-5 is actually the better furballer.
So if you're fealing guilty clubbing seals with the LA-7 switch to the LA-5 and enoy one of the sweetest little hot rods in the game.
I have some LA-5 movies here (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139317):
g00b
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Originally posted by BALSUR
You know to sit here and call everyone a dweeb for flying the LA7 is pure bs. Everyone one here flys whatever plane fits the situation. I can easily say anyone who flys a 190d9 or P51 above 10k are dweebs, but that not right, its picking the plane for the mission. So many times you have pilots vulching a field. If you want to get off the ground fast with the best firepower available then the LA7 is not a bad choice. So, don't be so quick to condemn the guy flying the LA7 because you feel your so skillful and its below you. Its your fault your in the 50+ eny value plane not his. BTW, I see more noob pilots in P51, P38 and Spitfire's than in LA7's
If you want to get off the ground with the fastest, best climbing, best accelerating, right up there in best turning plane with good firepower, the Lgay not just a good choice, it is the only choice. Every other non-perked plane has at least one weakness that can be taken advantage of by a skilled opponent in any plane (well hell, if you want to be honest, damn near all the perked ones do also).
That said, using anything else is rather like taking the Scout instead of the GayWP in CS... why limit yourself if you don't have to, right?
Played my younger cousin in NCAA 2005 today, it was kind of fun. He took one of the Oklahoma teams (2000 I believe), and just kept throwing 50 yard bombs down the field to his best reciever. I took Maryland, couldn't really compete. Ended up losing 35-28 after getting stopped on the 3 yd line on my last drive with the 4th quarter winding down.
I think a lot of folks have the 13 year old mentality of "Whatever it takes to win"... he has determined that the best way to "win" is to throw hail marys every down and hope to connect on 1 of 4 tries. I at least try to play the game "the way is was meant to be played", or at least the way I think it was.
Kind of interesting results on the stats at the end of the game though.. his QB ended up being 12 for 36 for 420 something yards.. kind of unreal the way his guys would go up and catch it in a triple team. Gamey? Sure. But it works. He'd do really 'well' in AH I think.
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ur just as lame as the nme is
u complain about runners than u stalk an typh and follow it to the rwy into nme ack.
if there was a plane that outrun,turn dives rolls everything u would definitly fly it
its like little kids who can judge a car only on its top speed.
for me for instance
;)
i fly the P38 since 1.03 since than they inluded all kinds of planes and new FM's
things got crowdy also
gang and run tactics are refined
but i still won't have to lower myself to the La 7
i don't understand why some dont take the la5 instead its still a rocket and runs fast on the deck but is more manouvrable than the 7.
i flown the la7 only once i still shame of that flight.
its a dweebs plane
:D
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i clearly remember killing batfinks hurricane with a 190...
:p
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jodgy, just take a P51d with 50% fuel
its pretty much a lala.
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Originally posted by Blue Mako
Who cares what you fly. It's the pilot...
:aok
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Originally posted by MANDO
Really? A Lala with 100% fuel can run for 35 minutes (using WEP for fuel consumption and x1 fuel mult).
at 380 mph sealevel you can run for 8 sectors. With fuel multiplyer set to 2 you have for 4 sectors. Do you need to run even more?
Yes if you catch him after take of. Check the times again, I think it is only 20 minutes. My point is LALAs can run if they want to but a lot of them will fight because they think they have the advantage. The king runners are the 190s cause they have the speed and you really cant fight in those things unless you know what you are doing.
(Edit)
I just saw the 1X fuel mult. It is 2X in the MA
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Zazen, don't take this the wrong way but with your style of flying I don't think the plane you fly would make a difference.
Now for the rest, you seem to think that it is OK to bring 20 or 30 guys to vulch a field. You think it is OK to dive in from 15K vulch and then extend for 10K before comming back as long as you did not do it in an LA7. You think it is OK to go 5 on 1 when I am low and slow in a KI61. You think it is OK to make only HO passes as long you are not in a LA7 and as long you only extend 2K or 3K before the next HO. You give people big for landing kills in a A20 or MOSS (can you say HO HO HO?)
However, if I up an LA7 so can get out of the runway fast and come out and engage the 5 or 25 cons vulching or gangin a single friendly that makes me a dweeb.
Honestly, if you want to be assamed for flying a plane, go with the 190d9. Be assamed when you fly in a group of 20 without any red guys around. Be assamed when you land kills without having a single fight. Really, I think some people are just upset that their vulch streaks where messed up by an LA7
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Originally posted by dedalos
The king runners are the 190s cause they have the speed and you really cant fight in those things unless you know what you are doing.
Whatever, all I see are Lalas and P51s running from my D9. The funny thing is that they comply when half a sector later my D9 run from them while 5k above them and 5k away. Sadly fuel is not infinite. Some crazy visionaries call it RTB. It is even funnier when these La7 runners score these running only missions as "attack" missions over'n over. :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by dedalos
Zazen, don't take this the wrong way but with your style of flying I don't think the plane you fly would make a difference.
WRONG! nice try though, come Rooks and fly with me sometime, you'll be suprised how I really fight, as opposed to the 'myth' of how I fight. The plane you fly always makes a difference, if it did not, why do 90% of the people fly only 5% of the planeset 90% of the time?...Think about it. No one's flying style is immune to their aircraft's charactersistics, not me, not anyone...I'll give you an example: In AW I flew the Fw190 almost exclusively in the latter years. But, in AH I do not fly it at all or the 109's, why? Because in AH Fw190 and 109's have no nose-low deflection view. Just by virtue of this fact my shot selection is severely curtailed and my effectiveness reduced. I am only as good as the plane I fly in this specific regard.
I would never contemplate flying a plane such as a Hurricane in the same manner as I would fly a Typhoon, you can't, it just doesn't work. So, one's flying style is largely dictated by the plane's unique performance characterisitcs, however the plane's unique performance characteristics are not changed by attempting to use a particular flying style, they are absolute and fixed. It is because of this there are dweeby planes like the LGay7 that remain dweeby no matter who flies them, they are just dweeby. However a dweeby pilot, presumably how you perceive me, cannot remain dweeby (with any measurable degree of effectiveness) in a plane that does not allow for whatever it is that that pilot does that defines 'dweeby' in your mind. Simple logic.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Nop, I don't see you as a dweeb. Don't know why you think that. As far your style, again, I did not mean anything bad (you do have a style right?). I went of your descriptions of flying in your posts.
However, I do think there are a lot of dweebs in the game calling others dweebs. Most of them could not fight their way out of a paper bag. They fly in groups and they call a 5 on 1 fur balling. Some of them will fly a 'real' plane like a p40, a Moss, a F4U and cherie pick you while you are engaged with their 5 friends. When they land their cheries or HOs they get an . When the lala dweeb that killed 3 of the 5 has to run cause he has a pilot wound, no ammo, and his 5 minutes of fuel are almost out he gets called names and if he manages to take that plane home and lands, he gets called names again.
Now tell me how to kill with a flak from 4K out.
:D
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Originally posted by MANDO
Whatever, all I see are Lalas and P51s running from my D9. The funny thing is that they comply when half a sector later my D9 run from them while 5k above them and 5k away. Sadly fuel is not infinite. Some crazy visionaries call it RTB. It is even funnier when these La7 runners score these running only missions as "attack" missions over'n over. :rofl :rofl
Hey, I don;t mean to say that all 190s run. Maybe you don't. I was just stating that a 190 is better for the running job. I am kind of curius on how you know what they are scoring their missions as.
The bottom line is, why in the world would you ever run from a D9? I ignore them until they are low enough to avoid a 4 sector chase.
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Originally posted by Jackal1
Anybody have a website addy where they sell disguises real cheap? :D
Yeah try "www.SheepOfJOC.com"
:rofl
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Originally posted by dedalos
I am kind of curius on how you know what they are scoring their missions as.
Because once I kill them once and they reup I know pretty well who they are, you open the browser and it is really funny to see how these La7 running heros score the "dangerous" running missions.
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Originally posted by dedalos
I am kind of curius on how you know what they are scoring their missions as.
Because once I kill them once and they reup I know pretty well who they are, you open the browser and it is really funny to see how these La7 running heros score the "dangerous" running missions.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Really, I think some people are just upset that their vulch streaks where messed up by an LA7
Whaaaa...? Nooooo? Wha - Nooooooo! Huh? Aw your crazy :D
Seriously though, fly whatever you like, just try in it please! C'mon, I spend a good part of an average night getting my butt handed to me trying to turnfight in a FW... On rare occassions I suprise myself.
And Zazen, I dunno what you mean about that deflection shot being limited in FWs... I thought you had that little piece of tape with the red dot thing down cold :p
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Originally posted by MANDO
Because once I kill them once and they reup I know pretty well who they are, you open the browser and it is really funny to see how these La7 running heros score the "dangerous" running missions.
The fact that you do that tells a lot. :rolleyes:
What does that have to do with running and why do you think it is limited to LA7s? Not to mention that since you killed them and they re-up to come after you, it is not running. How else would he catch your 190 anyway?
Whats your in game handle? It'b be nice to know who I am talking to
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Originally posted by Vudak
I thought you had that little piece of tape with the red dot thing down cold :p
Some people never learn. Its a white dot :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by dedalos
Whats your in game handle?
MANDOBLE
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Originally posted by AWMac
Yeah try "www.SheepOfJOC.com"
:rofl
LOL Good idea.
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Hmmmm....
IMHO ...
Everyone seems to be ignoreing the 109 family?
G10 with 20mm hub n mg's no gonds is good for chasin la7s, d9s, pony's, and typhs. Or any runner actually.
G6 with 30mm hub cannon is good for buffs and ho'ers. Also good for base defence.
G2 with 200 rounds of 20mm in hub is good for base defence. Does a fair job against inb CV birds too. Turns pretty good with gonds too.
F4 with gonds is great for turn and burn low against incoming CV birds and base defence.
E4 can be fun and a challenge too.
All of em can be good high alt birds against most anything. (many seem to dive out and run from high alt fights :( )
Granted the slats can throw ya off until you get a "feel" for when they will kick in. But then you can use em to turn and roll better.
You can even use flaps in some cases to stay on that high runnin, turning badguy.
109's are pretty good planes. In some cases they can give la's, 7 or 5, some really good fights.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Nop, I don't see you as a dweeb. Don't know why you think that. As far your style, again, I did not mean anything bad (you do have a style right?). I went of your descriptions of flying in your posts.
Ok, I am a tad defensive sometimes as I am outspoken and tend to get more than my fair share of 'ignorant critisism' directed at me by people who have never, not once, ever in their entire lives, flown with me. But, these same people are quite willing to make erroneous assumptions as to how I fly based purely on rumor, specualation and conjecture. My apologies.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Vudak
And Zazen, I dunno what you mean about that deflection shot being limited in FWs... I thought you had that little piece of tape with the red dot thing down cold :p
The tape thingy only works if you can page-up the view. Page-up doesn't change the forward deflection view in Fw190s or 109s more than a tiny fraction of a centimeter. Take a plane like the Typhoon, P51 or F6F however and page-up in forward view gives you much more nose-low deflection possibilities.
Zazen
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Originally posted by wrag
Hmmmm....
IMHO ...
Everyone seems to be ignoreing the 109 family?
G10 with 20mm hub n mg's no gonds is good for chasin la7s, d9s, pony's, and typhs. Or any runner actually.
G6 with 30mm hub cannon is good for buffs and ho'ers. Also good for base defence.
G2 with 200 rounds of 20mm in hub is good for base defence. Does a fair job against inb CV birds too. Turns pretty good with gonds too.
F4 with gonds is great for turn and burn low against incoming CV birds and base defence.
E4 can be fun and a challenge too.
All of em can be good high alt birds against most anything. (many seem to dive out and run from high alt fights :( )
Granted the slats can throw ya off until you get a "feel" for when they will kick in. But then you can use em to turn and roll better.
You can even use flaps in some cases to stay on that high runnin, turning badguy.
109's are pretty good planes. In some cases they can give la's, 7 or 5, some really good fights.
Terrible nose-low deflection views, poor ballistics and horrid control compression makes 109s quite a bit less than appealing to me, personally. As far as running other planes down, 109's are not the best choice primarily due to compression and poor ballistics, all one has to do to 'shake' a 109 is go into a dive until he compresses, change direction and egress.
Zazen
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Originally posted by Zazen13
I am very observant, I see really bad pilots get away with incredible stupidity just because they are in the LGay7. It's a plane you can fly like a complete moron and come out smelling like roses, not very appealing.
Zazen
Nice try !!! ... you can't really then speak with any authority without have flown the plane ... observation only (even if you are VERY observant - how long are your arms ?) doesn't cut it.
I have seen people do a lot of stupid moronic things in the run09s and run90s and come out smelling like a rose too.
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Ive flown every single plane in the game including the La7 (not in the main on a regular basis but a sortie or two..)(i do train in it though to stay on top of the flight model..)
It has the most strengths and least weaknesses of any aircraft in the game..
If you fly it... your a dweeb... I think HT put it in as a handicap for newer pilots really.. Look at every other aircraft that has similiar attibutes of the la7 and they are perked.. the only ones that are close and unperked are the mustang (poor accelration) and the g10 (compression nose view slats pilot experience is key..)
all other non perked aircraft pale in comparission to the total package the la7 offers.. most of the la7 you see in the main are dweebs.. you put a ace behind the wheel and its untouchable killing machine.. (note untouchable) (even better with ah2..)
The comments on the ki are accurate also but the ki suffers some problems at speed the la7 does not..
some say the la7 fuel is rotten.. not so .. 4 sectors on full tank with a 2 minute climbout to opti speed is ludicris.. (you can highspeed climb and be at the battle in like 4 mins.. at 8-10k wtf..)
some say the view sucks.. well compared to the stang (yes) but g10 has bars.. 38 la5 190a series niki zeke etc..
3 shivaks wtf... hell 2 shivaks are plenty.. some say balistics.. any cannon compared to .50 cal is inferior at accuracy... (hispo's are close though)
fly a zeke thats some balistics for you.. freaking shivaks are lasers under 400m..
the list goes on and on..
there is a reason eskimo put richard simmons on the wing tip sporting a rainbow flag.. its the gay-est aircraft in the game.. HTC please regulate it.. Ill take C-hogs any day of the week as defualt newbmobile over the la7; at least the chogs had weaknesses....
DoctorYo
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plenty of good la7 killing machines available...
109g10
p51b/d
f4u-1
yak9
fw190d9
la5
tiffy
any of the perkies
i see more weenie dweebs in 190/109/pony/tiffy than in la7's.
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Originally posted by Shane
plenty of good la7 killing machines available...
109g10
p51b/d
f4u-1
yak9
fw190d9
la5
tiffy
any of the perkies
i see more weenie dweebs in 190/109/pony/tiffy than in la7's.
That would be the result of the fuel burn being different from AH1. At least the la7's occasionally committed to a fight unlike the run90's.
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Q: you know whats the best thing about the 190?
A: 95% of the players dont know how to fly it
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Originally posted by Shane
plenty of good la7 killing machines available...
109g10
p51b/d
f4u-1
yak9
fw190d9
la5
tiffy
any of the perkies
i see more weenie dweebs in 190/109/pony/tiffy than in la7's.
I don't believe, even for a second, you're serious about those "lala killing machines".
Ofcourse ANY plane can kill a lala, but that's not... you know what I mean.
You may be right in your last sentence though.
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you said the typhie was vulching, so you got vulched(most likely)...
maybe the Tif killed your ack and was CAPPIN...
Noob Rule #1
never up a capped or vulched field...
Rule #2
Target fixation, never noob, yet you describe a perfect NOOB mistake with such grace...
chased em to his fully upped field, Dumb in my book, only reason you did that IS because you were in a L-Gay...
its OK to still think like a Noob after playing for a couple years...:rolleyes:
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SLO... :-/
You seem to have fallen for what the old Russian GRU could have called "Maskirovka". I'll leave it up to you to figure out what that means, to give you an opportunity to redeem yourself.
I'm trying to be nice now.
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Originally posted by jodgi
I don't believe, even for a second, you're serious about those "lala killing machines".
Ofcourse ANY plane can kill a lala, but that's not... you know what I mean.
You may be right in your last sentence though.
anytime you'd like to go the DA so I can show you... just ask (when you see me on that is - after my hiatus from Pirates! is over).
i'm taking a leap of faith and assuming you can at least fly the la7 adequately...
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Originally posted by Flyboy
Q: you know whats the best thing about the 190?
A: 95% of the players dont know how to fly it
You got that right! The plane with the best roll rate in the game and all they do is dive and run. Of course to take advantage of roll you gotta have some skill.
Hmm, maybe I'll try one tonight. I usually don't fly the ting.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
Q: you know whats the best thing about the 190?
A: 95% of the players dont know how to fly it
You got that right! The plane with the best roll rate in the game and all they do is dive and run. Of course to take advantage of roll you gotta have some skill.
Hmm, maybe I'll try one tonight. I usually don't fly the ting.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
Q: you know whats the best thing about the 190?
A: 95% of the players dont know how to fly it
You got that right! The plane with the best roll rate in the game and all they do is dive and run. Of course to take advantage of roll you gotta have some skill.
Hmm, maybe I'll try one tonight. I usually don't fly the ting.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
Q: you know whats the best thing about the 190?
A: 95% of the players dont know how to fly it
You got that right! The plane with the best roll rate in the game and all they do is dive and run. Of course to take advantage of roll you gotta have some skill.
Hmm, maybe I'll try one tonight. I usually don't fly the thing.
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Originally posted by MANDO
Whatever, all I see are Lalas and P51s running from my D9. The funny thing is that they comply when half a sector later my D9 run from them while 5k above them and 5k away. Sadly fuel is not infinite. Some crazy visionaries call it RTB. It is even funnier when these La7 runners score these running only missions as "attack" missions over'n over. :rofl :rofl
Why run from a D9 in a mustang...or any 190 for that matter?
Zaphod (Mustang Dweeb):D
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Sounds to be like you just chose the right tool for the task at hand.
Yeah, just the other day while winging with Storch HiTech zoomed up from below and killed him. I was fortunate enough to be about D600 behind in my La7 and latched onto HiTechs tail and proceeded to take off half his wing. And even though one of his lackies was desperately trying to whack me from behind in his 109G10 he was unable to fend me off and two passes later I took off HiTechs other wing.
An interesting side note, after shooting down HiTech I preceeded to HO said lackie 109 whom proceeded to the deck and successfully ditch while going near 400mph or more... very authentic ditch model there! :aok
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The simple fact is that people that fly the el gay fly it so they won't have to fight.
Of course, if they chose to fight they might be surprised, since it is basically a 380 mph otd Spit 9, but nobody does.
"Oh no, I use it to chase down runners!"... get real, you use it to BE a runner.
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Lavochkins can be fun ac to fight in........
They do give the best option to disengage if you mess up.........
Some folk panic and run away when they could stay and learn something.........
Some folk never give combat a chance............
Some folk never give combat a chance in lots of ac ......P51's, Typhoons & D9's etc.
Experten find no challenge in the La7 because coupled with their skills there is no challenge agin lesser mortals.
Some experten dont like an La7 escaping when its pilot has obviously been out manouvered.
Statistically the typhy is good against an la7:eek:
Other rides are fun too in different circumstances.
I have to laugh at folk who talk about respect in the context of ride choice............ if folk crave respect then go do more good deeds somewhere...... (like help somebody at some thing)....... dont make out that ac choice in a game has any thing to do with it.
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Originally posted by jodgi
SLO... :-/
You seem to have fallen for what the old Russian GRU could have called "Maskirovka". I'll leave it up to you to figure out what that means, to give you an opportunity to redeem yourself.
I'm trying to be nice now.
its the hook damnit, all nice and shiny in de water...nice bait jodgi
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Originally posted by wrag
Hmmmm....
IMHO ...
Everyone seems to be ignoreing the 109 family?
G10 with 20mm hub n mg's no gonds is good for chasin la7s, d9s, pony's, and typhs. Or any runner actually.
G6 with 30mm hub cannon is good for buffs and ho'ers. Also good for base defence.
G2 with 200 rounds of 20mm in hub is good for base defence. Does a fair job against inb CV birds too. Turns pretty good with gonds too.
F4 with gonds is great for turn and burn low against incoming CV birds and base defence.
E4 can be fun and a challenge too.
All of em can be good high alt birds against most anything. (many seem to dive out and run from high alt fights :( )
Granted the slats can throw ya off until you get a "feel" for when they will kick in. But then you can use em to turn and roll better.
You can even use flaps in some cases to stay on that high runnin, turning badguy.
109's are pretty good planes. In some cases they can give la's, 7 or 5, some really good fights.
Best part about 'em is people expect you to do the predictable 109 thing, Boom, Fire, Miss, Zoom, and then either run away or repeat.
Supprises hell out of 'em when you snap her around in a tight flat turn , latch on to their rear end and sink a few 20 or 30 mms into 'em.
Everybody assumes that no one in their right mind would carry underwing gondolas, and therefore the HO they are about to commit to is against a plane armed with a single cannon.......the facefull of 20 mm at 900 yds from three cannon litterally blows them away.
The 109 sux, particularly the G6, do yourself a favour and leave it in the hangar. ;)