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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: spitfiremkv on January 13, 2005, 02:53:03 PM
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Let's face it: for the system the game demands to run smoothly, the graphics suck big time.
I'm not even going to compare AH2 with IL2 sturmovik.
Here's screenshots and reviews of JSF, a sim released at the end of 1997, which ran fine, detail set to high, on my 133mhz Pentium with a crappy video card.
(http://www.innerloop.com/downloads/jsf_wallpaper02.jpg)
review with screenshot (http://www.fsrz.net/jsf/jsf.html)
once again, this game was released 7 years ago .
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Did you play with up to 750 people in a massive arena?
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Graphics and online play has nothing to do with each other.
A online game does NOT have to have worse graphics.
The problem with AH2 graphics atm is that it runs DX8 (or what ever AH1 was written in) content in a DX9 engine. The overhead for the CURRENT graphical CONTENT is huge. We have a brand new engine filled with very old content, lot of it is 1999-2000ish. A change of engine doesnt make content look better.
The content has to be changed inorder for the game to look better.
Content is made by ARTISTS so if HTC would hire programers it wouldnt acomplish anything in terms of graphical improvement.
HTC has artists and these are, if I understnad it correctly from Pyro´s update, working on creating the object repository for the new terrain editor and will be working on converting the new planes.
That means making the content of the game look better.
Studz or what his name is... is working on new speciall effects, gun hits, explositions ect ect...
When it comes to performance the substitution of the planes to new models will not change the performance of the games graphics much at all... doubt that it will even be noticable.. this because the engine for the current content has soo much over head and isnt beeing used to its potential...
Terrain objects trees, buildings, landscape ect ect will wount do much of a change inperformance as well. The number of pollygons in the current graphics engine is so extreamly low that an slight increase, which would give a huge result, will not do much of a change.
The special effects though will affect your performance.
What Im trying to say is read the dev updates and then when saying what someone should and shouldnt do get your facts straight. At least for the christsake know what a progamer and what an artist does.
Tex
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Wow! Mr. Black is now for AHII?! Oh that's right... the wind is blowing out of the North today! :rofl
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Regardless of who does or doesn't have an influence on it, the eye candy is seriously low compared to the game performance, no matter how you measure it...
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New eyecandy is in the works. If you read the updates over the last year the whole intent of AH2 was to develop a new graphics engine which put in place the capabilties to improve eyecandy and content. We have seen some of those improvents allredy like the new water, the new flames and the new high detail active 3D cockpits and models of Ki84 and B24. Other graphics eyecandy additions like new explosions, terrain features, GV damage effects, hitsprites, IIRC aircraft flames and spent case ejection are clearly on the way, possibly even this month per HTC's recent posts.
I remember a converstation I had with Pyro when AH2 launched in the MA. I remarked that the new graphics and new plane models like the 109s were a noticable improvement over AH1. His respons was that they had many more things in the pipeline and were just getting started. Thats clearly what we have seen so far.
As for IL2 graphics, I just recently fired up IL2FB and was shocked to see how close AH2 is to it. In fact I'd say the new style stock AH2 planes like KI84 have some definite advantages over their stock IL2 conterparts.
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Originally posted by VWE
Wow! Mr. Black is now for AHII?! Oh that's right... the wind is blowing out of the North today! :rofl
Im TexMurphy, not Tex (Mr Black)....
Please there is quite a big difference there.. ;)
Tex
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@GRUNHERZ
The Ki84 of PF still looks better then the AH Ki84 INTERNALLY.... but outside its virtually a tie...
The cockpit´s of il2 fb+aep and pf are freekin awsome...
Only thing I have against the new planes is the cockpit of the Ki84... especially the metals that attack to the glass of the window.. look 1 oclock.. it looks way too 2d... there is no depth in that part of the metal...
This is something 1C Maddox does extreamly well...
Also their sky is sooo beautifull and there really isnt anything techincally restricting AH2 from having the same beautifull skies... its just about the skill of the artists... I hope they got it...
Tex
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Im TexMurphy, not Tex (Mr Black)....
If you've been on this board for longer than a week you would know that post was not refering to you.
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can't wait to see that overhead put to work.
Smooth rolling hills, lots of individual trees...you know, make it look like a game from the late 90s.
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I think HT should hire well endowed hostesses who like to sing Kareoke with balding married men. Now that would keep me playing.
hh:aok
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
The cockpit´s of il2 fb+aep and pf are freekin awsome...
Only thing I have against the new planes is the cockpit of the Ki84... especially the metals that attack to the glass of the window.. look 1 oclock.. it looks way too 2d... there is no depth in that part of the metal...
This is something 1C Maddox does extreamly well...
Tex
This is the reason IL2's view system is a head on a stick. You cannot move your head on the XYZ axes. The cockpit can be done in high quality FROM THAT ANGLE ONLY because the rest of the interior from that fixed head position isn't rendered at all. They sacrifice utility for candy. AH sacrifices candy for utility. The Ki84's and B24's interior will be, as HTC claims, the standard from which all future renovations and additions will be based. I like HTC's happy compromise.
Spitfire: This thread is insulting. Does anyone read the news section? How long have you been here?
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Eye candy is nice, it adds to immersion, but eye candy alone does not make a good game. AW was the greatest game of its genre for well over 10 years, its graphics were sub-par at best. Balancing realism vs. playability, the game interface itself and game balance are far, far, far more important to a successfull game than graphics. Those factors remain important forever in a game, as was the case with AW. Graphics on the other hand are dated practically as soon as they are released, like hardware they have built-in obsolecence, graphics are always improving as the power of computers improves theoretically 2 X processor power every 2 years. There is no 'arrived' with graphical eye candy. But, there is the possibility of making the 'perfect' game in every other respect if those producing it have vision and talent..
So, if I had to choose whether HTC devoted its meager programming resources on graphics or gameplay/interface elements, I choose gameplay everytime. AH does not likely generate enough recurring income to hire a large programming team and remain financially solvent. HTC has to prioritize its efforts on those aspects of the game that will have the greatest impact for the players and draw the most long-term subscribers. I don't think eye candy has the kind of long-lasting, high customer fidelity draw that would make it being the primary focus economically worthwhile...
Zazen
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Interesting, AH has the best cockpit-computer programming design out of any flight sim I've played in 10 years.....
IL2 is totally stuffed re: moving your head around.... the cockpits were made like a movie set. Good from the front, but if you look around the corner...no paint and lots of gaffer tape :D
The AH design lets you move about in space, like a real person.
But seriously......if the next AHII release has those old 1980s, Asteroids hit sprites still in them..... I will.... um.....keep waiting hehe.
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Originally posted by Octavius
Spitfire: This thread is insulting. Does anyone read the news section? How long have you been here?
I just showed you screenshots from a graphics engine developed 7 years ago.
Maybe HTC should have licensed a graphics engine from another firm, thus freeing up their resources for gameplay and multiplayer issues.
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That screenshot is nothing special, AH is clearly better...
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With all due resepect spitfire you are over simplifying. It's just not that pat in the dev biz. AH must roll their collective eyes when they see a thread such as this.
Eye candy most certainly does not retain players. The quality of game play does. If eye candy was the prime issue we'd all be playing massive multiplayer MYST.
hh
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umm yeah right
why don't you read the review, which includes system requirements and more screenshots.
I don't expect that kind of quality, after all, that game had one of a kind graphics, but it shows that a lot of games today, AH2 included , are resource hogs.
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How much net code is that game running?
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Ummm yeah right what?
Were you replying to my statement?
Personally I don't want to debate resource management. I simply point out based on experience that you are over simplifying when you toss around comments such as "hire more programmers or buy an off the shelf (so to speak) graphics engine". It's no where near that cut and dry my friend. I suggest you consider reading up on what it takes to build and maintain a project such as this. I've worked in the gaming industry so I'm speaking from some experience.
I've seen posts almost identical to this thread in just about every online game I've ever played...screenshot included. If it were that easy to satisfy everyone they'd do it.
Been playing online games since about 94 and IMHO the two things then retain players are quality of game play and quality of gaming community within that game. Nobody plays strip poker with their mother in law after all ;)
hh
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
I just showed you screenshots from a graphics engine developed 7 years ago.
Maybe HTC should have licensed a graphics engine from another firm, thus freeing up their resources for gameplay and multiplayer issues.
If you don't like it, just go away.
In keeping with most of the "personalities" I've met in IL2, you're desperately charming aren't you? Eye candy is a minor part of the story. There's plenty of other eye candy products you can play with.
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
umm yeah right
why don't you read the review, which includes system requirements and more screenshots.
I restate my opinion, those screenshots suck - very old graphics technology and using that engine for AH2 would be dumb.
Now comes the vital point spitfire, many have nicely told and explained to you why your statements are in error and oversimplified, what will you do now?
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{sarcasm}
Obviously... HTC can consider this after they hire this genious as a consultant since he knows what is best for them.
{/sarcasm}
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Nobody plays strip poker with their mother in law after all
Says who? :D
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I'm looking forward to see what they come out with as well in the next patch. Problem for AH2 today and since Beta is that it still looks like AH1 but with a few extra flares and graphic effects. True the planes look good but the rest is terrible, take the recent water update. Not only does it look bad but it runs at 5fps on a high end machine and is better switched off.
AH2 I was expecting a new graphics engine, problem is that at the core it's still the same 7year old plus CPU dependent AH1 engine which was showing it's age back in 01 let alone 05.
The argument that you can't expect boxed graphics with a online graphics might of stood a few years ago but not today. I don't expect the graphcis of a boxed sim but I do expect better graphics then a boxed sim of 7 years ago. True gameplay (the MA?) is more important then eye candy, but it's the graphics that make the environment and help create the immersion for the sim.
Think for alot of people the only thing keeping them in is their squad and squadmates, that's what did it for me over graphics and gameplay but that only goes so far.
...-Gixer
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Good thing Im Here for Fun and Flying. Not Eye Candy. Can you play this Game with others >? Or do you just Stay at Home and Play By yourself:eek: Oh well good thing I don't care:aok
Crims
479th Raiders
AH2 Still $14.95 a month:aok
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Deja vu... all over again. :rolleyes:
AH is not a boxed set.
AH must be easy to d/l to attract customers.
AH is mmog.
AH FM is world-class.
HTC upgrades and fixes bugs.
HTC supports customers.
AHII is in constant development.
New cockpits and externals are in development.
HTC tolerates an awful lot on this BBS.
One of the interesting and admirable things about HTC is their dedication to their product. This and every game has a natural atttrition and people naturally burn out on a game.
The same is also true for programmers and graphic people. The people working on almost every other game come and go as contract help, or get burned out and look for new challenges.
Look at almost any boxed game as an example. It is simply a project where, "Hey, this is good enough so lets just get it finished and out the door,' is the attitude. The bugs and exploits are never fixed.
The game may not be perfect in everyone's eyes, but the HTC crew display rare professionalism and dedication to their product.
This game offers an awful lot of entertainment, frustration, thrills, challenges and anger for about the cost of one pizza per month. :)
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i think many are forgetting AH is a Downloadable game.
not a 700MB compressed CDROM boxed game.
there are comprimises to be made for accessibility.
if i want the graphics of Doom3 i get the 3 CD's (over 2100MB compressed) and install it.
you want to DL 2 GB to play a game?
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IMO, the way current AH1 and AH2 have tried to improve eyecandy is wrong in some very important aspects.
We are getting more and more detailed planes, many more polys , hi-res textures in exchange of what? less fps, same or even worse exterior looking from the usual combat distances.
Lets take lancasters or B24 as example. You look at there very closely and they are nice, but what do you see from 400 yards while firing at them?
Several old sims reached a much better eye-candy than AH with many less polygons per plane and low-res textures. IMO, increasing the number of polygons is not the way to go, no one fights the other plane at 10 yards and admiring how accurately is modeled the enemy.
With the proper light management you may get a superb eye-candy sim. But our light is poor, very poor. Our contrasts are almost non-existant. Our Sun is there only to blind us.
IL2 has a really nice light management. Its planes does not have more polys than AH. Its textures are not hi-res, but it looks far far better. Why? LIGHT, LIGHT and LIGHT.
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
Let's face it: for the system the game demands to run smoothly, the graphics suck big time.
I'm not even going to compare AH2 with IL2 sturmovik.
Here's screenshots and reviews of JSF, a sim released at the end of 1997, which ran fine, detail set to high, on my 133mhz Pentium with a crappy video card.
(http://www.innerloop.com/downloads/jsf_wallpaper02.jpg)
review with screenshot (http://www.fsrz.net/jsf/jsf.html)
once again, this game was released 7 years ago .
go play that then instead of bad-mouthing the most realistic flight sim yet. People are never happy "These graphics suck" If you learn to play the game graphics dont matter. I dont care if that games been out for 20 years, dont be telling HTC what to do because obviously you dont know how to program or how hard it is.
- im spent
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Originally posted by JB73
i think many are forgetting AH is a Downloadable game.
not a 700MB compressed CDROM boxed game.
there are comprimises to be made for accessibility.
if i want the graphics of Doom3 i get the 3 CD's (over 2100MB compressed) and install it.
you want to DL 2 GB to play a game?
What he said:aok
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Originally posted by thebest1
go play that then instead of bad-mouthing the most realistic flight sim yet.
Most realistic flight sim yet? You must mean for a combat sim and refering to just the flight models surely? Even then it's dumbed down quite alot.
....-Gixer
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Sure, the models aren't as detailed as Il-2 (yet. it's getting there), but the flight modelling is still much better. It's like you're actually flying the plane...
In Il-2, it's like your in a virtual reality ride, sans the simulated feel that the moving seats tend to give.
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I gotta disagree, Fruda. I think IL2 has a great feel to the game. With the wind turbulence and FM of IL2, I sure as heck feel like I'm flying.
Hopefully HiTech will be able to improve on what he's got. You guys can get defensive about your favorite game all you want, but face the facts. Most of the graphics are third rate when it comes to ground textures, vehicles, and the fire.
I get immersed in this game just as much as everyone else that loves it, and it's not the graphics that have brought us to this game. It's the thrill of fighting an all out war with PEOPLE on the ground and in the air. IL2 doesn't give you that feeling you get when you log on and say "hey" to a squaddie. This game is a blast to play and highly addictive.
That said, graphics are left wanting. Hopefully the graphics will be improved greatly over the next year or so, but rebuilding an already working massive multiplayer online game is rough stuff! I'm sure HiTech knows where he wants to go with this, and he probably gets frustrated about a lot of things more than any of us know. I'm going to bet he knows how far graphics have come along these days.
Spitfire, if you want to know what the deal is with the graphics, why don't you shoot HiTech an email and ask him? Posting it on the boards sounds more like a whining or bashing than constructive criticism.
Baby steps, i.e. the B24 and KI84.
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funny, for an ugly graphic model and resource hogging game , i see 400+ on nightly , man HT really blew it with AH2 .... baaaa
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Ain't that a purdy picture.
Wonder how she flies with more than 8 people at a time.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
So, if I had to choose whether HTC devoted its meager programming resources on graphics or gameplay/interface elements, I choose gameplay everytime. AH does not likely generate enough recurring income to hire a large programming team and remain financially solvent. HTC has to prioritize its efforts on those aspects of the game that will have the greatest impact for the players and draw the most long-term subscribers. I don't think eye candy has the kind of long-lasting, high customer fidelity draw that would make it being the primary focus economically worthwhile...
Zazen
i have already offered my services. cheap. no bites.
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let me reiterate:
the issue here is not just subpar graphics compared to other sims on the market, it's also poor graphics and rather heavy system requirements.
the graphics were better even in Warbirds.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Did you play with up to 750 people in a massive arena?
First, I can't remember the last time I saw 750 people in AH2 or more than 30-40 planes/veh's in one area.
Second, ww2 online has on an avg 1500 players{2000} on the weekends and the graphics and ground detail is 3 times that of AH2.
Of course ww2 online has nothing on AH2 in the way of flight models and air combat.
There is a flip side to every game, box set or mmog. I have, just like some many others hoped for a facelift in the graphics dept and a step away from DirectX 7 graphics.
I too became let down by the fact we were instructed to "upgrade" our systems to take advantage of these new "updated" graphics and effects. I have yet to see these, but who knows what HTC has up their sleeves.
It is what it is
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Originally posted by MOIL
First, I can't remember the last time I saw 750 people in AH2 or more than 30-40 planes/veh's in one area.
Second, ww2 online has on an avg 1500 players{2000} on the weekends and the graphics and ground detail is 3 times that of AH2.
Of course ww2 online has nothing on AH2 in the way of flight models and air combat.
There is a flip side to every game, box set or mmog. I have, just like some many others hoped for a facelift in the graphics dept and a step away from DirectX 7 graphics.
I too became let down by the fact we were instructed to "upgrade" our systems to take advantage of these new "updated" graphics and effects. I have yet to see these, but who knows what HTC has up their sleeves.
It is what it is
Look at the log in screen next time It clearly shows that 750 players can be in the MA.
Now I was just in the MA earlier tonight and there was 500 people in there .
Not bad if ya ask me.
And you have to admit that HTC does provide really good customer service.
I mean there only an e mail or phone call away and scuzzy or HT or who ever takes the call will work there butt's off to help you.
LOL last time I checked people waited for months for an update from oleg for IL2 FB.
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Originally posted by wombatt
LOL last time I checked people waited for months for an update from oleg for IL2 FB.
Mr Black,
Did you ever check IL2 website? It gets update every Friday with latest screenshots. When did HT gave update (screenshots)?
I can’t compare IL2 with AH2 ATM, but according to Oleg BoB will have MMP. Then comparing can be done :-)
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All I have to say is HTC keeps putting out updates, and I don't have to keep buying new box versions.
Good Deal in my book :aok
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Originally posted by JB73
i think many are forgetting AH is a Downloadable game.
not a 700MB compressed CDROM boxed game.
there are comprimises to be made for accessibility.
if i want the graphics of Doom3 i get the 3 CD's (over 2100MB compressed) and install it.
you want to DL 2 GB to play a game?
But then again these days people are downloading games, patches, and mods 500mb-1gig all the time. This excuse is outdated. With todays net connection file size shouldn't matter.
Plus there's enough friends and nice people to help burn cds for the small group stuck on 56k in these situations.
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IL2 series / MS Flight simulator series when first out: $30-50 per game retail
Aces High when first out: No charge PLUS all upgrades / patches are free for life.
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HTC is doing a great job with what and who they have to work with. I hope they continue their dedication to this game. I would hate to see this game end due to them getting tired of people always bad mouthing their work.
HTC !
Thanks for making this game and keep up the good work.
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Umm I'm still stuck on a dial up and am out in the farm fields here and alot of my squad mates are in similar situations. Heck I can't even get cable out here. So as far as downloading that big of file um well it sux. It took me 10+ hours to download one of waffles latest sound packs. and as far as someone burning me a cd, it would take it just as long to get here as it would for my 56K to download it.
So I think it still matters if the AH file is large or small.
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This thread is full of contradictions.
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Supporting AH team since 1999, however I agree with those who ask for better graphics. AH2 is a step forward but still not enough, IMHO.
Downloads are not a problem today. Probably, you can even let people choose which files to d/l depending on the graphic resolution you want (at least for cockpits and planes, maybe). The average modem is not a 5K/sec one.
We were told that the average CPU/GPU was/is a 1Ghz with a GeForce2. Dont think so. BTW, even my P4-3.2 and my 6800GT are not able tu run AH2 with everything on. However I can run Pacific Fighters with perfect settings.
Cockpits are the things I really dont like here. Some are really 1997' style. Customers could design and paint them. I'm in the beta test team of Target Tobruk (Targetware) and I can assure you that those cockpits are simply beautiful and made by players and easily downloadable.
AH2 is still the best, I'd love much better cockpits, better clouds and terrains, tho.
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Originally posted by thebest1
go play that then instead of bad-mouthing the most realistic flight sim yet.
Puhleaseeeeeeeeeeee. I've no ill will against HTC or AH, but for gods sake man. what are you smoking?
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
I'm not even going to compare AH2 with IL2 sturmovik.
Here's screenshots and reviews of JSF, a sim released at the end of 1997, which ran fine, detail set to high, on my 133mhz Pentium with a crappy video card.
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I, for one, among many others appreciate the no camparison to IL2.
AH= Home IL2= teh suck
Take that screenie and print it out, then hang it on the wall and you can get the immense pleasure from it that you are seeking because you will never be able to find that kind of boredom in AH.
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What TexMurphy said........
HTC resources must be stretched updating stuff to what the engine is capable of and with folk wanting new rides HTC will be balancing ride development with eye candy development.
Then guess what? the old rides are being upgraded for moving cockpit controls and smoother 3d shapes..............
and then Hitech will be working on TOD. Thats a lot of balls in the air at once trying to please most of the people most of the time.............
For me the priorities are terrain and rides.
Whilst showing us what can be done the actual terrain rendering is poor (presently) IMO and creates an environment which is not what it could be. Hopefully the new TE linked with an object editor will allow the community to pour a massive resource into this gap but we still await the finished tools.
More rides give players more options re gameplay that expands the variety of experiences on offer.
Fancy cockpits with moving bits. Well, after terrain the cockpit is the most visually prominent feature. By all means add more shape to the 3d environment.........as for moving throttles, controls etc............well I do not know what resources are consumed supplying these.........if it was significant I would place it lower in the priority list.
Revising 3d models on existing models to latest standards. Well OK but I would set a time table say 1 fighter (shape) a month with a picking priority list based upon MA usage.
TOD? We the players do not really know what to expect yet and we all have differing "wish" criteria for what it might be. If its going to do for ACFS's what Everquest or Eve does for other MMOG's then its a massive undertaking IMO.
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naa AH2 graphic sux
Ah1 graphic rulez
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
Let's face it: for the system the game demands to run smoothly, the graphics suck big time.
I'm not even going to compare AH2 with IL2 sturmovik.
Here's screenshots and reviews of JSF, a sim released at the end of 1997, which ran fine, detail set to high, on my 133mhz Pentium with a crappy video card.
Perhaps, just maybe, if ou actually paid for the game, HTC could afford to hire artists and programmers. Since I read in another thread that you don't play and/or pay, STFU.
Some (not all) of the worst critics of this game don't play it.
Respectfully, of course.
shubie
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You guys also need to look at what Furious posted. A lot of what this game does is over the network. You aren't playing a 2GB installation of Call of Duty or Quake 3 where tons of things are loaded locally before being sent over the net.
Now personally, I think I've played a sample of just about everything, and there is a reason I'm still playing AH. Doesn't seem to get dull for me... It probably won't till I get tired of flying all the planes, and I don't see that coming any time soon. Sure I've played games online with 1000s of people, and there is something to be said for that, but I only played that game for a couple months... just past 2 years now for AH (I think). I can get the graphics anywhere... its the gameplay I love :aok
Also, how many of these other games had a development staff of approx. 5 people? I work in the software world... that would be a nightmare. Architecture, design, coding, modelling, testing, marketing, and production with 5 people? EEK. Big to HTC crew just for showing up to work on a daily basis. :aok
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
let me reiterate:
the issue here is not just subpar graphics compared to other sims on the market, it's also poor graphics and rather heavy system requirements.
the graphics were better even in Warbirds.
So go and play Warbirds.
Bye.
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the system requirements just don't suit the graphics.
but i understand this will be better in the next release.
member since 1.03 here never quitted but i wont cheerlead. critic is always better to make things progress
i like il2 also btw i hear most real pilots like the il2 fm better.
still i get back to AH most of the time just because its better gameplay.
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
the system requirements just don't suit the graphics.
but i understand this will be better in the next release.
member since 1.03 here never quitted but i wont cheerlead. critic is always better to make things progress
i like il2 also btw i hear most real pilots like the il2 fm better.
still i get back to AH most of the time just because its better gameplay.
Absolutely. Constructive criticism is always the best path if a player and subscriber wants to help improve a commercial product. However, popping into a public forum, the wrong forum I may point out, and crapping publicly all over several aspects of the game, is nothing but destructive whining.
Try this with Oleg on Maddox's board and see how long it takes for him to turn up and rip you a new one. About 240ms usually.
HTC ARE approachable. Email them directly with your concerns as well as discussing them publicly in the correct forum, and you've gone a long way toward providing constructive feedback.
This thread is just BS.
Most of the people I've ever bumped into on IL2 servers have been elitist snotbags, who scream cheat if you use even the most basic ACM, or actually manage to shoot someone down before your ammo load runs out. For that reason I can't be bothered experiencing the "joys" of the better graphics and flight model in IL2. The people and gameplay are better here.
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Originally posted by palef
Absolutely. Constructive criticism is always the best path if a player and subscriber wants to help improve a commercial product. However, popping into a public forum, the wrong forum I may point out, and crapping publicly all over several aspects of the game, is nothing but destructive whining.
Try this with Oleg on Maddox's board and see how long it takes for him to turn up and rip you a new one. About 240ms usually.
HTC ARE approachable. Email them directly with your concerns as well as discussing them publicly in the correct forum, and you've gone a long way toward providing constructive feedback.
This thread is just BS.
Most of the people I've ever bumped into on IL2 servers have been elitist snotbags, who scream cheat if you use even the most basic ACM, or actually manage to shoot someone down before your ammo load runs out. For that reason I can't be bothered experiencing the "joys" of the better graphics and flight model in IL2. The people and gameplay are better here.
Well said M8
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Originally posted by palef
Most of the people I've ever bumped into on IL2 servers have been elitist snotbags, who scream cheat if you use even the most basic ACM, or actually manage to shoot someone down before your ammo load runs out. For that reason I can't be bothered experiencing the "joys" of the better graphics and flight model in IL2. The people and gameplay are better here.
The flight models are more detailed in Il-2... However, our flight models are more realistic. Take into account that it doesn't feel like you're flying on the moon in AH2.
For example: The P-47 rolls, accelerates, and climbs WAY too fast in Il-2. In addition to that, it retains "E" far too well. All of the planes are like this, but this is the one that sticks out the most.
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fruda:
the P47 has been noted for its fast roll,a cceleration and good rate of climb (the initial zoom, I don't think it can sustain an oustanding rate of climb unless it's the paddle bladed version)
go read Robert Johnson's 'Thunderbolt' if you don't believe me.
rshubert: I did pay for this game for a while, and I quit partly because of the things I mentioned in my first post in this thread. IMO AH2 has not improved enough on those aspects of the game I dislike that I feel compelled to subscribe again.
If the gameplay and graphics improve significantly (IE TOD is released), then I shall start paying for it again.
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
Here's screenshots and reviews of JSF, a sim released at the end of 1997, which ran fine, detail set to high, on my 133mhz Pentium with a crappy video card.
[a picture]
once again, this game was released 7 years ago .
Did you even look at those screenshots you linked? They look nothing like that wallpaper.
(http://www.fsrz.net/jsf/images/afghandawn.jpg)
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I used to think AH was graphically under par, when i bought IL2 for the first time.
i played IL2 for about 2 days, got fed up with just about everything except the graphics that quick.
only thing IL2 is good for is wallpaper.
As far as AH2, the graphics are good enough for me, and the gamneplay and models are the best available anywhere.
i have plent of screenies pinted out on my wall. Mates come round and say 'hey cool picture, where you take that?' 'er, its a game i play online, :D'
hey, check this out, its bloody art.
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/files/deadla7.JPG)
notice anything about it?
yup thats right, its from AH1.
with AH2 the addition of custom skins can be used for many things, like telling you how i feel about people who wont pay to play, but still talk crap about a game just because it dont look good enough.
(http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/files/stunt_plane.bmp)
do you want the Best looking girl in the room, and be her slave all night only to find out she doesnt even give head?
or do you go for the girl next door type who looks good enough to make you buy her a beer, and knows exactly how to get down in the hay.
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LMAO bat, so true.
brings back memorys seeing those old VH's
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Originally posted by Spork42
Did you even look at those screenshots you linked? They look nothing like that wallpaper.
I played that game. Including runing around on the ground with my guy after he bailed out.
There was no mipmapping, and still, it looked better than AH2.
I suggest you download the demo and try it out for yourself.
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
Let's face it: for the system the game demands to run smoothly, the graphics suck big time.
I'm not even going to compare AH2 with IL2 sturmovik.
Here's screenshots and reviews of JSF, a sim released at the end of 1997, which ran fine, detail set to high, on my 133mhz Pentium with a crappy video card.
Frankly, you are comparing apples to oranges. JSF is a 'finished' product...AH2 isn't. All of the visuals in AH2 will be improved....it's a matter of time. HTC spent near a year and a half writing the new graphics engine and recoding AH1. The plan was to have it done in 9 months. Unfortunately, the fact that the product was so late meant that little time was spent on creating new graphics to go with the new engine. The remedy for a lot of this should be done shortlly...the tile editor. I also know that HTC is working to remodel all of the planes to take advantage of the new engine.
If you really want to face something...try facing the fact that AH2 is not 'finished', it is constantly improving in all aspects. So, if you don't like what you see...go play JSF and come back in 6 months. :)
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please don't make him come Back NB :p.
Btw, i checked the screenshots and they look bad even compared to AH1 :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
I played that game. Including runing around on the ground with my guy after he bailed out.
There was no mipmapping, and still, it looked better than AH2.
I suggest you download the demo and try it out for yourself.
THIS is what you call "backpedaling" folks. That linked picture has just proved your hollow accusations. Reminds me of the dolt in your avatar.
BTW, since you don't even pay, you'll be ignored. What a tool you are, and a dull one at that. I also will enjoy NOT seeing your fat, f*** cousin in your avatar.
Karaya
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wow. you are becoming so predictable, mashedbrains :rolleyes:
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he used "dolt" to insult me too.
guess we should form a club or something.
lol
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who's willing to bet that the reason he left had nothing to do with the graphics or game play? he probably just got fed up being shot down everytime he took off so he just comes around and tries to troll. Sadly, his trolls are even worse than his flying.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
who's willing to bet that the reason he left had nothing to do with the graphics or game play? he probably just got fed up being shot down everytime he took off so he just comes around and tries to troll. Sadly, his trolls are even worse than his flying.
ack-ack
i happen to disagree ACK,
i think that he has different opinions than most, but he is an interesting addition to the mix.
i for one would miss his input.
but then, most would not miss mine as i am much the same.
sad really.
diversity is what makes the soup good.
i havent noticed alot of it as of late...but thats probably just me...and its probably because i am anti-iraq lol
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
@GRUNHERZ
The Ki84 of PF still looks better then the AH Ki84 INTERNALLY.... but outside its virtually a tie...
The cockpit´s of il2 fb+aep and pf are freekin awsome...
But they aren't really 3-d .. you can't move around in them .. at least it was in AEP... haven't gotten PF's......
something to think about ...... HTC models everythign in 3-d ... they don't just paint pretty pictures and put your head on a pin like IL2.......
so compareing cockpits is apples and oranges, if you don't consider that
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I will say this though...
For an online game where player subscriptions are the only source of income, HTC has come out with a fine game. In the same breath, I'm tired of waiting 3+ weeks for any news WHATSOEVER. If this was my likelyhood, I'd be throwing bits and pieces of info, screenshots, news etc. out every chance I could to keep my CLIENTS well informed an interested. Even if its a pic of the HTC office :)
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Originally posted by JB88
i happen to disagree ACK,
i think that he has different opinions than most, but he is an interesting addition to the mix.
i for one would miss his input.
but then, most would not miss mine as i am much the same.
sad really.
diversity is what makes the soup good.
i havent noticed alot of it as of late...but thats probably just me...and its probably because i am anti-iraq lol
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If his post had been constructive critism then I would agree but it wasn't. It was a very lame flame against HT and HTC for basically saying that he and his company are not up to the abilities to design and build a quality game and should look for outside assisatance to shore up any short comings. His posting of a 5+ year old game screen shot just proves he was trying nothing more than trolling with a lame bellybutton flame.
ack-ack
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Why hasn't anyone banned SpitV yet? Clearly his mom didn't smother him effectivly when he was an infant and the job's been left to the new of us left competant enough to finish the job right.
Wolf
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
THIS is what you call "backpedaling" folks. That linked picture has just proved your hollow accusations. Reminds me of the dolt in your avatar.
BTW, since you don't even pay, you'll be ignored. What a tool you are, and a dull one at that. I also will enjoy NOT seeing your fat, f*** cousin in your avatar.
Karaya
STOP!!! You're gonna make me start liking you!!! :rofl
Was thinking the same about the avatar. :)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
If his post had been constructive critism then I would agree but it wasn't. It was a very lame flame against HT and HTC for basically saying that he and his company are not up to the abilities to design and build a quality game and should look for outside assisatance to shore up any short comings. His posting of a 5+ year old game screen shot just proves he was trying nothing more than trolling with a lame bellybutton flame.
ack-ack
as far as content, i would agree. the image had proven to be misleading. but i really dont think that he, or any of the others are too far off par with the actual state of affairs regarding graphics.
what could be a great game is serving only half of the court when it could step up a serve all.
this is just an opinion.
i have not hit anyones mother or lit a church on fire by saying so, but i suspect that will not matter... there will be some loyal opposition. but it is true to some of us.
thing is,people probably dont bother to criticize something that they dont care about. or at least, that is how i have felt.
i agree that this game is lacking in that department. i agree also that this version of aces high is less graphically enabled than the first. it is a bit of a let down if you ask me.
but then. you didnt.
so, i digress.
salute.
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