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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Oldman731 on January 14, 2005, 08:10:51 AM
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I remember a time, not so long ago, when people on the CT boards would complain that there were not enough Pacific setups. After the past week, I have to assume that all of those people have moved to IL2 or WWII Online or some other game. I’ve been in the CT during prime time every night since this setup appeared (excluding Saturday). With the exceptions of Oleg, Grits and, briefly, Eagler, I haven’t seen anyone - and certainly not the CT regulars. The past two nights it got so bad that after flying around by myself for fifteen and, last night, for forty minutes, I got disgusted and went to the MA, where I received my expected dose of vulching and ganging. (Had one good fight with someone named PsyOps, something like that.) When MA people asked me what I was doing there, I was actually embarrassed to have to say that it was because there was no one in the CT. It was an admission that all the CT-haters were right, after all.
All of which leads me to ask this question: Is it now officially a waste of time to run Pac setups?
- Disgusted Oldman
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As I stated previously in another thread I will no longer play PAC until HTC takes care of the mis-modelling of the zekes. The Allied A/C have been ubered up and the Axis have been watered down since patch 6. You bang a half wing off of the F6F after 8 cannon hits and it now cruises faster. With flaps it turns inside of the Zeke. I refuse to spend $15.00 a month to play target tug. I'll play in the MA with the rest of the HAs. we're on every night and and I can fly AC that allow me to compete on a more or less even playing field. I think your question is best directed at Pyro and company.
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The lack of posting in this forum alone should tell you something.
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went to the ma a couple of days ago and it was nothing but boring hordes...
decided to check out the ct and... first time ever in prime time there was ZERO people on ... nada..
is the ct dead?
lazs
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Originally posted by Oldman731
I remember a time, not so long ago, when people on the CT boards would complain that there were not enough Pacific setups. After the past week, I have to assume that all of those people have moved to IL2 or WWII Online or some other game. I’ve been in the CT during prime time every night since this setup appeared (excluding Saturday). With the exceptions of Oleg, Grits and, briefly, Eagler, I haven’t seen anyone - and certainly not the CT regulars. The past two nights it got so bad that after flying around by myself for fifteen and, last night, for forty minutes, I got disgusted and went to the MA, where I received my expected dose of vulching and ganging. (Had one good fight with someone named PsyOps, something like that.) When MA people asked me what I was doing there, I was actually embarrassed to have to say that it was because there was no one in the CT. It was an admission that all the CT-haters were right, after all.
All of which leads me to ask this question: Is it now officially a waste of time to run Pac setups?
- Disgusted Oldman
I am a blue plane weenie.
I check whenever I fire up AH , and if there is a few on I'll pop in there , but really the past 2 months there is hardly ever anyone there.
Think some of the reasons have been discussed ad nauseum.
I'll throw this in.
I think new players to the CT do not really find it a fun or welcoming environment , so as some of the regulars drop off (as always happens) , there are not new players coming in to take their spots.
In the MA they can kind of mix in more quickly with a whole other bunch of new players - it's easier for them.
The CT is very cliquey, the regulars may not notice , but I'm sure the new guys would feel this way.
I've flown sometimes where there is 8 people in a country , and not a word spoken on the country channel for 20 minutes at a time. (this is just one example I can think of) They don't even answer questions , pretty much just ignore you. (luckily I have thick skin)
Generally you get the feeling that if you are from the MA , you are resented for some reason - it's really odd.
If I didn't enjoy flying with Slash and Duke and Co so much - to be completely honest , I'd never go in there. If they arent logged on it's not much fun - so I guess that's how the newbie visitors might find it as well.
Anyway , just my 2 bob Oldman not sure it helps
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PS And the shame is - it could be really good
Get rid of the BS scoring, it just encourages dweebery
Get rid of the field capture crap along with it
Turn it into a "Fighter Combat Arena" , get the guys in there that love a good fight and let them loose.
When the fights are good in there - they can be really good !
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I will go in there tonight and up the A6M if you need something to fight. I will show that the zeke is not porked. Sure you cant just bank her around and abuse her like you use too but she is still capable.
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I checked last night during prime time and saw only 1 listed in the arena login. And that's Thursday night, supposedly the CT's strong night.
Don't know what to say. I don't think the CT is dead, I think maybe its just restin'. Something will need to jump start it though - like new planes or maps.
Squads are more important to the CT than the MA - if you can get a couple of squads to agree on a mutual squad night, you can seed the CT with 10-15 people and then others may come in.
I'm not sure what happened to VF-27. No posts for a long time in our squad forum, haven't seen the guys on in a while. Maybe they all fly for the Hell's Angels now in the MA.
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The key to CT success is Axis players. No Axis players no CT. with Axis modelling seriously porked and Allied modelling seriously ubered you have your CT dilema in a nutshell.
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Well personally i have never seen an F6F out turning a zeke, unless of course its at high speed where it should be more manouverable.
Problem is if theres less than 10 players in the CT i usually don't bother looking.
As for squads, they are not needed, in fact they can be a turn off.
We have all seen where a squad rolls up and they all fly together no matter how much they outnumber the other side by.
CT also does not need dedicated axis players, especially if they throw their teddies in the corner and walk away over a percieved bias against their rides.
I say percieved because, well i can't see it.
All CT needs is flexible players who are willing to fight in any plane and for any side.
But getting the core to tempt others in is the problem.
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Well, you can't say I did not try. I'll probably try it again but on my last night there, tried to take of from one field only to find out a flack was just sitting on the runway waiting for a kill. Fine, changed fields, thought I was going to make it in the air this time but the two 110s waiting for the vulch thought diferent. (Actualy in the CT it is not called vulching because they will wait until you are atlist 2 feet of the ground first). Changed fields again and did find a fight this time after flying for 15 minutes. It was a brief 1 on 1 brefore the other 2 showed up. Now, with 7 people in the CT at the time we had 2 vulching, 1 sittin on the runway in a flack, 1 fighting, and 2 probably looking for a fight and out of frustration the joind the existing one. That including me and one more frendly makes 7. Where is the fun or the balance on that?
Now there are some people that will give you a good fair fight like Storch and a couple of others but some of them are a bunch of gangbanging, vulching, alt monky, horder (a smal one) dweebs. They are killing the CT slowlly but surelly. It really shows a lot because of the small numbers.
I can get all this in the MA with more choices on where to fight and who to fight with. So, why bother with the CT then? It will have to have something to offer to atract new people.
Big <> to the ones that try to make something out of it.
As far as needing more axis players, in my limited time there that is all I have seen.
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no offence, but if you cant out turn an f6f... in an a6m... you suck.
only reason i do not fly there now is whenever i go online, there is a big 0 next to the combat theatre.
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Originally posted by Furball
no offence, but if you cant out turn an f6f... in an a6m... you suck.
only reason i do not fly there now is whenever i go online, there is a big 0 next to the combat theatre.
1 point off for mis-spelling offense
1 point off for being an La-7 dweeb in the MA
98 points off for being a pommie
100 points off. you failed
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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Problem is if theres less than 10 players in the CT i usually don't bother looking.
Same here, only I would say at least 3 on each side, or 2 vs 4, something in that range. I love the CT, but I wont fly there if there are only 1-3 guys up, not much point in that.
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Originally posted by storch
1 point off for mis-spelling offense
1 point off for being an La-7 dweeb in the MA
98 points off for being a pommie
100 points off. you failed
Answer to point 1 :-
Main Entry: of·fense
Variant: or of·fence /&-'fens/
Function: noun
1 : a violation of the law; especially : a criminal act —see also LESSER INCLUDED OFFENSE
2 in the civil law of Louisiana : an intentional unlawful act that causes damage to another and for which the law imposes an obligation for damages —compare quasi contract at CONTRACT, QUASI-OFFENSE
NOTE: Breach of contract, offenses, quasi-offenses, and quasi contracts are the bases for civil liability under the civil law. Offenses and quasi-offenses are comparable to common-law torts.
Answer to point 2:-
List, of aircraft type, that i have most kills in this tour.
Type Kills
Ki-67 - 49
Bf 110G-2 - 47
P-51D - 32
Hurricane IIC - 30
Spitfire V - 19
F6F-5 - 13
P-38L - 12
Me 262 - 11
Hurricane IID - 10
Bf 109F-4 - 9
Ostwind - 6
Ship Gunner - 6
B-26B - 6
La-7 - 5
Answer to 3: -
pom·my or pom·mie ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pm)
n. Australian & New Zealand Offensive Slang pl. pom·mies
Used as a disparaging term for a British person, especially a recent immigrant.
You are neither Austrialian, or from New Zealand... therefore i am 100% correct!
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I blame the "Hell's Angels" ...... That's where all(most) the CT regulars went....
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Yup Soda is right, we regularly have 6-10 Hells Angels up in the MA, nearly all of whom were the backbone of the CT.
I always look to see if there is anybody in the CT first, and then if not I go to the MA, but with numbers so low...well... it feeds on itself, nobody goes because nobody is there.
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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Well personally i have never seen an F6F out turning a zeke, unless of course its at high speed where it should be more manouverable.
Problem is if theres less than 10 players in the CT i usually don't bother looking.
As for squads, they are not needed, in fact they can be a turn off.
We have all seen where a squad rolls up and they all fly together no matter how much they outnumber the other side by.
CT also does not need dedicated axis players, especially if they throw their teddies in the corner and walk away over a percieved bias against their rides.
I say percieved because, well i can't see it.
All CT needs is flexible players who are willing to fight in any plane and for any side.
But getting the core to tempt others in is the problem.
Yes and No is my response to the last part of your statement.
For the "Yes" aspect I say the CT does need some dedicated Axis squadrons. I can remember several times when as a squadron VF-17 would show up for squadron night and be planning on hoping in our F4U's or whatever the USN aircraft of the setup was and end up flying for the Axis for the entire setup and regardless of it being a Pacific setup or whatever.
On the "No" side of the coin its not always about being flexible in playing the game. I can't tell you how many times I have had to switch sides in order to keep the balance and keep the game going for everyone.
BTW I no longer play AH except in H2H and even then I have to do it for short spurts...no time to play due to real life.
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#1. Defense noun not to be confused with incorrect pommie spelling Defence. pommies are known to mis-spell a plethora of other words such as but not limited to labor, color, etc.
#2. you are a dweeb inspite of only 5 kills in an La-7
#3. a good offensive/abusive word is universal in it's appeal. we have adopted "pommie" into our lexicon as well.
100% incorrect, you are still wrong. you don't receive a passing grade :D
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Oldman, sorry but I wouldn't restrict that to just PAC setups. My last bunch of times in the CT the experience was just plain ugly.
If you're going to get decent crowds back in the CT you've got to provide something other than a mini-MA. What you've got in the CT right now (when there are actually players in it) is mob rule: kill by any means available (preferably without risk), insults and accusations instead of smack-talk, and arrogance instead of ability.
It's too bad. When the CT was good I enjoyed the hell out of it - even when it was only so-so I sort of enjoyed it. Right now I'd rather just go to the MA. I don't even check to see how many are playing in the CT on the arena list anymore let alone go into the CT to see who is playing.
I wish you luck with it, but to be honest I think the CT is done.
asw
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All the allied squads are gone and its because the allied planes are ubber?
very funny :rofl
The only time a navy bird out turns my zero is when I am too fast in the turn.
The other night I kept getting oldman...btw , GW and a guy named grun...something. Grun was always able to rtb but so was I. GW kept getting my in a spiral climb but he would end up loosing his energy and dive away.
However, my zero took amazing hits with only a fuel leak from both the F4F and F6F.
If anything, the zero is over modeled, not the blue birds.
Nice post "oldguy"
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I have yet to log into the CT or MA this month. My wife is expecting; she is 22 months along. We’ve had a few scares; it’s a pretty risky pregnancy and she’s on bed rest. So I’ve been spending more time being a husband and dad. I will be back though. It looks like the CT is no fun without me…
:)
eskimo
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she is 22 months along.
You marry an elephant or something?
Hope everything works out well with your wife and new one.
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Originally posted by Slash27
You marry an elephant or something?
Hope everything works out well with your wife and new one.
lol, weeks...
eskimo
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Caught myself rereading that 22 months a few times too. LOL
Good luck to you and Mrs Eskimo, sir. Hope everything turns out OK.
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I always liked it. I'd have been there with ya ifluff'n I coulda. Ya'll promote the place. Grab some o those new guys by the ear and show them what fun REALLY is. :)
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Originally posted by eskimo2
My wife is expecting; she is 22 months along. We’ve had a few scares; it’s a pretty risky pregnancy and she’s on bed rest.
Sorry I've been away, Eskimo.
My wife is a DES daughter. She went into contractions on Christmas Eve at 20 weeks. Two weeks later the OBGYN put her in the hospital, feet elevated, until she was 33 weeks. Kate was thus born 7 weeks early, at about 4 pounds. Spent the next four weeks in the ICN.
She is now half-way through her first year at MIT.
It's an ugly, stressful time for you, Eskimo, but modern medicine is pretty amazing, and it is all worthwhile.
As you will see.
- oldman (father, also, of subsequent twin boys, now 15)