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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GtoRA2 on January 16, 2005, 05:11:24 PM
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anyone got another source? (http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/38704.htm)
Sorry if this is a repost.
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Islam is peace.
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nothing whatsoever comes up when I look his name up in cnn.com
this is kinda fishy, a murder story like this would definitely warrant an article, even if it didn't have any religious undertones.
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CNN is not exactly the font of all knowledge, especially current knowledge.
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As-sallamu aleykum.
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Salman Rushdie is still with us
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And to what lengths did Rusdie have to go for that statement to be true?
He pretty much disappeared for a while, didn't he?
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Originally posted by ra
Islam is peace.
Christianity is peace
http://www.msnbc.com/modules/clinics/
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Unfortunately there are fanatics in almost any religion.
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Yep; too bad some people are unable to understand that.
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Yep
Those Christian wackos are sure killing tons all the time with suicide bombers.
I hate it when they bomb busses too.
DRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
yes every religion has it's nut jobs, but you can hardly compare the modern death toll from islam to the one from christians.
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To bad they were Christians, or this would be considered a hate crime.
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I have a point to make here related to the thread. There aren't a significant number of christian clerics calling for the extermination of muslims. Also not to say there aren't some who are less than ethical in how they practice their religion. As has already been posted there are religious nutjobs on both sides. It would seem however one side has made it more of a religious war than the other side has. I haven't seen any postings regarding a bunch of christians beheading a muslim with a knife on film while yelling "Christ is great".
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What about Yugoslavia, Bosnia etc, Maverick? A very good example of some so called Christians trying to wipe out Muslims.
But in recent years it's mostly one type of Christian trying to wipe out another Christian or Jews.
There is always someone willing to slit your throat for your beliefs and attitudes.
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Originally posted by JBA
To bad they were Christians, or this would be considered a hate crime.
isn't it kind of funny that only white hetrosexual male christians can commit "hate crimes" it seems?
others are called "freedom fighters" or they are "defending" themselves, or whatever BS the media wants to call it.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Yep
Those Christian wackos are sure killing tons all the time with suicide bombers.
I hate it when they bomb busses too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army#Activities
" * 1971: Three British soldiers are killed in a bomb attack in Belfast.
* 1971: Catholic mother of ten, Jean McConville, is executed by the Provisional IRA for cushioning the head of a dying British soldier, although it is also claimed that she was informing the British Army of PIRA activities. The PIRA would deny any involvement in the killing until the 1990s, when it would acknowledge its action.
* 21 July 1972: On 'Bloody Friday' 22 bombs kill 9 and seriously injure 130. 30 years later the PIRA would officially apologise for this set of attacks.
* 4 February [1974]: A bomb planted on a coach carrying service personnel and their wives and families explodes as it is travelling along the M62 at Birkenshaw. Twelve people are killed; nine soldiers and the wife and two young sons of one of them.
* 1974: The Guildford pub bombings kills 5 and injures 182. The motive for the bombing was apparently that the pub attacked was frequented by soldiers. Four people, dubbed the 'Guildford Four', would be convicted for the bombing and imprisoned for life. The Guildford Four would claim police tortured them into confessing and 15 years later Lord Lane of the Court of Appeal would overturn their convictions noting "the investigating officers must have lied".
* 1974: In the Birmingham Pub Bombings bombs in two pubs kill 19. The Birmingham Six' would be tried for this and convicted. Many years later, after new evidence of police fabrication and suppression of evidence, their convictions would be quashed. Appeals by the Birmingham Six that the real IRA bombers had admitted responsibility for the bombings were ignored.
* 1974: In December a bomb explodes on the first floor of Harrods department store in Knightsbridge. Part of the store is gutted but there are no injuries.
* 1975: The assassination of Ross McWhirter.
* 1975: The Balcombe Street Siege.
* 1976: A PIRA bomb kills the newly appointed British ambassador to the Republic of Ireland, resulting in the declaration of a State of Emergency in the Republic. The PIRA also threatens to kidnap or kill Irish cabinet ministers and the President of Ireland.
* 1979: A PIRA bomb kills Earl Mountbatten of Burma, members of his family and a local child off the Irish coast. On the same day the PIRA kill 18 British soldiers at Narrow Water, near Newry, County Down; in an attack described by the British government as "a classic guerilla attack", they first plant one bomb, which kills 6, and then begin firing with sniper rifles at soldiers sheltered near a nearby gate where a second bomb explodes, killing 12 others. During an Irish visit Pope John Paul II calls for the PIRA campaign of violence to come to an end.
* 1981: IRA prisoner Bobby Sands, imprisoned in connection with his involvement in an attack involving a bomb and subsequent gun battle, is elected Member of Parliament for the Northern Ireland constituency of Fermanagh and South Tyrone in a by-election. The moderate nationalist Social Democratic and Labour Party decides not to run a candidate, and so split the nationalist vote, leaving Sands as the main nationalist candidate. Sands had been on a hunger strike for 'Prisoner of War' status for 41 days prior to being elected. He died 23 days later.
* 1981: The PIRA kill Ulster Unionist Party Belfast MP Rev Robert Bradford along with the caretaker of a community centre. Irish Taoiseach Dr. Garret FitzGerald and former taoiseach Charles Haughey condemn the killings in Dáil Éireann. SDLP party leader John Hume accuses the Provisionals of waging a campaign of "sectarian genocide".
* 10 October 1981: a bomb blast on Ebury Bridge Road in London kills 2 people and injures 39.
* 26 October 1981: a bomb explodes at a Wimpy Bar in Oxford Street London killing the bomb disposal officer trying to defuse it.
* 20 July 1982: In Hyde Park, a bomb kills two members of the Household Cavalry performing ceremonial duties in the park. Seven of their horses are also killed. On the same day another device kills seven bandsmen the Royal Green Jackets as it explodes underneath the bandstand in Regents Park as they played music to 120 spectators.
* 1983: A Harrods department store bomb planted by the PIRA during Christmas shopping season kills six (three police) and wounds 90.
* 1984: In the Brighton hotel bombing a bomb in the Grand Hotel kills five in a failed attempt to assassinate members of the British cabinet, including Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.
* 1987: In the Enniskillen 'Massacre' the PIRA bombing of a Remembrance Day parade kills eleven civilians and injures sixty-three. Among the dead is nurse Marie Wilson, whose father, Gordon Wilson, would go on to become a leading campaigner for an end to violence in Northern Ireland. The PIRA would later claim that their target was a colour guard of British soldiers. On Remembrance Day 1997 the leader of Sinn Féin, Gerry Adams, formally apologised for the bombing.
* 1989: Ten Royal Marine bandsmen are killed and 22 injured in the bombing of their base in Deal in Kent.
* 1990: Car bombings in Northern Ireland kill seven and wound 37.
* 30 July 1990 Ian Gow MP is killed when a device explodes under his car as he is leaving his home.
* 1990: A British Army Artillery officer is killed by the PIRA in Dortmund in the then West Germany.
* 18 February 1991: A bomb explodes at Victoria Station. One man killed and 38 people injured.
* 1991: Mortar attack on members of the British cabinet and the Prime Minister, John Major at the height of a huge security clampdown amid the Gulf War is launched by PIRA.
* 1991: Two PIRA members are killed in St Albans when their own bomb detonates prematurely.
* 28 February 1992: A bomb explodes at London Bridge railway station injuring 29 people.
* 10 April 1992: A large bomb explodes in St Mary Axe in the City of London killing three people and injuring 91. Many buildings are heavily damaged and the Baltic Exchange is completely destroyed.
* 12 October 1992: A device explodes in the gents' toilet of the Sussex Arms public house in Covent Garden killing one person and injuring four others.
* 1992: Eight Protestant builders are killed by a PIRA bomb on their way to work at an army base near Omagh.
* 1993: A PIRA bomb in Warrington kills two children.
* 1993: The PIRA detonates a huge truck bomb in the City of London at Bishopsgate, which kills two and causes around £350m of damage, including the near destruction of St Ethelburga's Bishopsgate.
* 1993: A bomb at a fish and chip shop underneath a UDA office on the Protestant Shankill Road in Belfast detonates prematurely, killing ten, including the bomber and two children.
* 1 September 1994: the PIRA declares the first of two cease-fires in the 1990s.
* 10 February 1996: The PIRA ends its 1994 cease-fire, killing two civilians in a bomb adjacent to the South Quay DLR station in London's Docklands.
* 18 February 1996: an improvised high explosive device detonates prematurely on a bus travelling along Aldwych in central London, killing Edward O'Brien, the PIRA operative transporting the device and injuring eight others.
* 15 June 1996: The PIRA detonates a 3,300 lb (1,500 kg) bomb in Manchester, injuring 206 people and damaging seventy thousand square metres of retail and office space.
* 7 October 1996: the PIRA kills one soldier and injures 31 people at the British Army's Northern Ireland HQ, Thiepval Barracks.
* 19 July 1997: The PIRA declares a second cease-fire.
* May, 2004: A gang commits a £1 million robbery at a Makro cash and carry store in south Belfast. The Independent Monitoring Commission would later blame the PIRA for the incident.
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yeah, definatly no threat from non islamics...
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You can't just call somone christian because they arent muslim or they are white it just doesnt work that way.
The koran and muslim clerics call for the death of the jew and infidel. Christ has never called for anyones death he says turn the other cheek
truth be told that ALOT of muslims are in the extremest section and thos that arent tend to sympothise with those that are.
People that blow up abortian clinics are NOT christians
People that blow up a bus full of jews in the name of alah are reguarded as martyrs
that's the fundimental difference
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
The koran and muslim clerics call for the death of the jew and infidel.
I'm a Jew come and get some.
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Originally posted by wombatt
I'm a Jew come and get some.
:confused:
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The Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) is a paramilitary group which aimed, through the use of violence, to achieve three goals: (i) British withdrawal from Northern Ireland, (ii) the political unification of Ireland through the forced overthrow and then merger of the Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland states, and (iii) the creation of an all-Ireland socialist republic.
From same source as voritcon's.
The IRA is doing it for political reasons and not religious which is what the point of this thread is. Their targets are politicians, police, and non-supporters of their cause, not just someone who is of a different religion. Terrorism is terrorism but to kill in the name of God, Allah, Buddah, Vishnu, or Jove is the height of hypocrisy.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
The IRA is doing it for political reasons and not religious which is what the point of this thread is. Their targets are politicians, police, and non-supporters of their cause, not just someone who is of a different religion. Terrorism is terrorism but to kill in the name of God, Allah, Buddah, Vishnu, or Jove is the height of hypocrisy.
the islamic terrorists claim to be doing it for "political" reasons as well...the only difference is they dont have a proper seperation of church and state
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Originally posted by vorticon
the islamic terrorists claim to be doing it for "political" reasons as well...the only difference is they dont have a proper seperation of church and state
OH BS......put the crack pipe down. Their doctrine is based on religious hatred. It has nothing to do with politics. They want to destroy israel and anyone who supports it.
as far as church and state are concerned they have no "state" or they arent officially sponsered by any state.
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Since some like to think Islam is just like Christianity could anyone tell me what the christian word for Jihad is?
What part of the bible talks about holy war?
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Originally posted by ra
Islam is peace.
but stupidity is an international bussines.... even in country of unlimeted possiblities
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Since some like to think Islam is just like Christianity could anyone tell me what the christian word for Jihad is?
What part of the bible talks about holy war?
thats good point what part of koran talk about jihad ?
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I fear any group who believes in "convert or die"
lazs
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Originally posted by lada
thats good point what part of koran talk about jihad ?
"Jihad" (ǧihād جهاد) is an Arabic word which comes from the Arabic root word "jahada"; which means "exerting utmost effort" or "to strive." The word connotes a wide range of meanings, from an inward spiritual struggle to attain perfect faith to holy war.
During the period of Qur'anic revelation while Muhammad was in Mecca, jihad referred essentially to nonviolent and personal struggle. Following his move from Mecca to Medina in 622, and the establishment of an Islamic state, fighting in self-defense was sanctioned by the Qur'an (22:39). The Qur'an began incorporating the word qital (fighting or warfare), and two of the last verses revealed on this topic (9:5, 29) suggest, to classical scholars such as Ibn Kathir, an ongoing war of conquest against unbeliever enemies. Among followers of liberal movements within Islam, however, the context of these verses is that of a specific "war in progress" and not a universally binding set of instructions upon the faithful. These liberal Muslims have tended to promote an understanding of jihad that rejects the identification of jihad with armed struggle, choosing instead to emphasize principles of non-violence. Such Muslims cite the Qur'anic figure of Abel in support of the belief that someone who dies as a result of refusing to commit violence may attain forgiveness for sins. This is not the prevailing understanding of such matters among mainstream Muslims, however.
source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad)
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Since some like to think Islam is just like Christianity could anyone tell me what the christian word for Jihad is?
What part of the bible talks about holy war?
I dunno which part of the bible talk about holy war and I don't know if it exist but it was not a problem in the past :)
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In the past? well yeah but... those were euros.. they were allways looking for a reason for a good slaughter of humanity.
lazs
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This was in our local paper today.
63tb
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BY JULIA M. SCOTT AND AMANDA GERUT
Star-Ledger Staff
Investigators are focusing on whether the four family members found slaughtered in their home in Jersey City were stabbed to death by robbers rather than by religious fanatics, Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said yesterday.
"Robbery is one of the motives," DeFazio said, noting that no money or jewels were found in the home where police discovered the bodies of Hossam Armanious, 47, his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their two children, Monica, 8, and Sylvia, 15, on Friday
Police also found an empty wallet near the body of Armanious, whose pant pockets were turned inside out, and the pocketbook of Sylvia Armanious was empty, DeFazio said. The family also reported a robbery last year in which gold jewelry was stolen.
Relatives of the slain family said Saturday that authorities told them detectives were also exploring whether a religious argument in an Internet chat room between Hossam Armanious and an unidentified person over a perceived religious slight led to the murders.
Family friends said Armanious spent some of his spare time in chat rooms devoted to Coptic Christianity, an Egyptian religious sect to which he and his family belonged, and that about two months ago he received death threats from another person logged in to the chat site after writing comments deemed to be an insult to Islam.
DeFazio downplayed the connection yesterday, saying that it did not come from law enforcement and that there was no indication the unidentified person made good on the threats.
"Apparently the family feels they can speak without hesitation, but there's no direct evidence that there was sectarian violence," said DeFazio. "Is it plausible? Yes. Have we assumed that's the motive? No. But we're not really ruling out anything at this point."
The victims, who immigrated to the United States from Luxor, Egypt, in 1997, were found bound and gagged. An autopsy performed Saturday showed the four died of multiple stab wounds to the throat and body. A murder weapon has not been found.
Detectives believe they were killed sometime Tuesday night -- the last time anyone saw the family -- by more than one assailant based on the location of the bodies, DeFazio said. Armanious and his wife were found in a front bedroom while one of their daughters was found in the living room and the other in a back bedroom.
"We believe it's unlikely that one person could be responsible for what happened to this family," said DeFazio, although he could not explain why robbers would carry out such a gruesome act. "You can get heinous, unexplainable, unfathomable manifestations of violence. There are people out there in our society who do not act normally."
Rumors that the chat room argument was behind the murders quickly spread through the tight-knit Coptic community in Jersey City, leading many to fear religious persecution by Muslims.
Tensions between the two groups have long existed in Egypt, where Copts are a minority in the Muslim-dominated country. For the most part, though, the animosity has not followed those who came to the United States.
Monir Dowoud, president of the American Coptic Association, seized on the those fears yesterday when he claimed "Muslim terrorists" were behind the family's slaughter.
Addressing about 200 parishioners outside of St. George & St. Shenouda Coptic Orthodox Church in Jersey City, Dowoud said, "I believe it is the responsibility of the Muslim terrorist groups. It's consistent with the way that Islamic fanatics kill people."
He offered little proof, citing only what he said were the similarities between the way the family's throats were slashed and the way al Qaeda-linked militants in Iraq and elsewhere beheaded their victims. He said the attackers also killed Amal Garas and her two daughters, an act only Muslim terrorists would carry out.
"The way the victims were murdered indicates its similarity with the beheading and execution types practiced by (Abu Musab) al-Zarqawi of Iraq, Abu Sayyaf of the Philippines and the Jihad members of Egypt," according to a statement Dowoud handed out at the church.
Bishop David, who represents the Coptic community in the Northeast and celebrated the morning service, asked the parishioners to allow the police to finish the investigation and pray for the capture of the murderers.
"We cannot make any speculations," the bishop told reporters afterward. "It's the job of the police to tell us what happened."
A funeral procession for the four victims will start in Journal Square at 10 a.m. today and move to the Coptic community center at 861 Bergen Ave.
Dowoud again attempted to blame Islamic terrorists during an afternoon memorial service at a building down the street from the church, but this time the uncle of Amal Garas interrupted him.
"We don't have time for this," Milad Garas told him. "Please. Please."
The comments angered DeFazio, who said, "If people from these organizations have evidence of sectarian violence then they should call the prosecutor's office and share the basis of their comments."
Suzanne Loutfy, public relations director for the non-denominational Egyptian American Group based in Union County, said there is no place for such comments in the state's Egyptian community.
"We really need to contain this before it erupts," said Loutfy, who is Muslim. "This crime was committed against humanity as a whole. Whoever is responsible for such a heinous crime should be brought to justice and tried to the fullest extent of the law."
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al-Zarqawi of Iraq
He is really anoying, hope you catch him. No one knows where he will turn up next time, this "one-leged Phantom".
Next time you are trying to execute him, please don´t use cruise missiles, as the 2 first failed. Try putting a stake through his heart and put his body in christianed soil.
Have anyone called Van Helsing?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
OH BS......put the crack pipe down. Their doctrine is based on religious hatred. It has nothing to do with politics. They want to destroy israel and anyone who supports it.
The Catholic Irish want the Protestant/Anglican English out of land that formerly belonged to Ireland.
The Mulsim Palestinians want the Jewish Israelis out of land that formerly belonged to Palestine.
Gunslinger is right! This is so clear cut!
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The IRA is doing it for political reasons and not religious which is what the point of this thread is. Their targets are politicians, police, and non-supporters of their cause, not just someone who is of a different religion.
Missing from Vorticon's list are examples like:
The Tullyvallen Orange Hall Massacre, 1975. 2 IRA men walked into an Orange Order (a protestant group) hall and shot dead 5 people.
The Kingsmill massacre. Ten protesant workmen were in a minibus on their way home from work in a textile factory. The IRA had set up a roadblock on the country road they were on, and forced the minibus to stop. The Catholic driver was told to run away, the ten workmen were lined up at the side of the road and shot dead.
The Darkley hall massacre. INLA gunmen walked into a Pentecostal church service on a Sunday and shot dead 3 church elders.
There are scores more, mostly involving just 1 or 2 killings.
Also, there's the Claudy massacre. Whilst not strictly a sectarian attack, (it was a series of bombing of a small mixed Catholic/Protestant town), it's relevant because the IRA gang that carried it out was led by Father Jim Chesney, the (Catholic) priest of a neigbouring parish. (9 people were killed in the Claudy bombings, including 3 children, one of them an 8 year old girl)
The Republican terrorists sought a united Ireland. Because the majority of Northern Ireland is Protestant, and wants to remain part of the UK, they sought to drive out Protestants by killing random members of the community. (The Loyalist terrorists did the same, of course)
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Is IRA a terrorist group? And who have funded them with money during the years?
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Originally posted by hawker238
The Catholic Irish want the Protestant/Anglican English out of land that formerly belonged to Ireland.
The Mulsim Palestinians want the Jewish Israelis out of land that formerly belonged to Palestine.
Gunslinger is right! This is so clear cut!
Are they killing in the name of christ? If so is this what their preachers and what not are telling them to do? If you answer yes to either of these questions then these are not christians!
christianity is not about killing and murder its about following the teachings of christ who was a pascifist! This is so clear cut!
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Are they killing in the name of christ? If so is this what their preachers and what not are telling them to do? If you answer yes to either of these questions then these are not christians!
christianity is not about killing and murder its about following the teachings of christ who was a pascifist! This is so clear cut!
Gunslinger, I hate to bring this news to you. After reading all your posts :You dont seem to be pacifistic .....
Are you sure you have accepted Christ and his teaching?
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Originally posted by patrone
Gunslinger, I hate to bring this news to you. After reading all your posts :You dont seem to be pacifistic .....
Are you sure you have accepted Christ and his teaching?
Christ never said he was a pacifist.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Christ never said he was a pacifist.
thats true, he actully said the opposite......But some guys only read the "good" parts of the bible and some are just assuming a whole lot more.......
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Are they killing in the name of christ? If so is this what their preachers and what not are telling them to do? If you answer yes to either of these questions then these are not christians!
christianity is not about killing and murder its about following the teachings of christ who was a pascifist! This is so clear cut!
So what does that make you, Gun?
Edit: I'm probably going to bed before I get a reply, so here's what you are: a realist. You're a christian when it suits you, you disobey christian morals when it suits you. This is not bad, this is how most of the world is.
The Muslims are (in a sense) realists as well. I'm pretty sure they're not down there living, breathing, eating, and sleeping based on religion. They have political agendas they want to push as well. Whether gain it gets for them, they're in it for more than just the blind religious hatred.
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I'm not muslim that's for sure. That said I beleive that Jesus christ is the king of kings, the son of god. He will come again some day to judge the living and the dead.
but I don't see how this has any bearing on the discussion. The aboved mentioned IRA acts did not perform these in the name of christ vrs. alah so they are irrelevent. Just like asking me about my faith.
thats true, he actully said the opposite......But some guys only read the "good" parts of the bible and some are just assuming a whole lot more.......
Where are you getting your information from? Do you even know the bible? Christ was a pascifist I have no doubt in my mind. "turn the other cheeck". He had every right to be pissed off at his fellow men and yet he layed his down to save ours. Put up or shut up.
Patron I challenge you to show me in bible anywere were Jesus advocated violence for ANYTHING! Otherwise stop posting. All you do here is troll. You don't add anything to any discussion. In addition I'm a pretty fair minded guy. I've never claimed to be a pascifist.
Christ never said he was a pacifist.
I didn't say "christ said he was a pascifist" I said christ WAS a pascifist!
again for those that have a reading impediment
Are they killing in the name of christ? If so, is this what their preachers and what not are telling them to do?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I'm not muslim that's for sure. That said I beleive that Jesus christ is the king of kings, the son of god. He will come again some day to judge the living and the dead.
but I don't see how this has any bearing on the discussion. The aboved mentioned IRA acts did not perform these in the name of christ vrs. alah so they are irrelevent. Just like asking me about my faith.
Patron I challenge you to show me in bible anywere were Jesus advocated violence for ANYTHING! Otherwise stop posting. All you do here is troll. You don't add anything to any discussion. In addition I'm a pretty fair minded guy. I've never claimed to be a pascifist.
I didn't say "christ said he was a pascifist" I said christ WAS a pascifist!
again for those that have a reading impediment
As I dont have the same versin of the bible (english, james version) at hand
lukas 12:49
"I have not come to bring peace on earth, I have come to put brother against brother, child against father....."
about the same, read Matteus 10:34
"I have not come with peace, but a with sword......"
lukas 22:36-39
"But now should the one that has a bag with money, take this with and the one that has no money, sell his cover and buy a sword........"
it ends with diciples saying "here, we have 2 swords: good He answered"
Later in the text, when Jesus is captured, one of theese swords are used to cut an ear of a soldier.
Not very pacifistic words and so much for that Troll, Gunslinger.
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Originally posted by patrone
As I dont have the same versin of the bible (english, james version) at hand
lukas 12:49
"I have not come to bring peace on earth, I have come to put brother against brother, child against father....."
about the same, read Matteus 10:34
"I have not come with peace, but a with sword......"
lukas 22:36-39
"But now should the one that has a bag with money, take this with and the one that has no money, sell his cover and buy a sword........"
it ends with diciples saying "here, we have 2 swords: good He answered"
Later in the text, when Jesus is captured, one of theese swords are used to cut an ear of a soldier.
Not very pacifistic words and so much for that Troll, Gunslinger.
nice try....next time read the enitire passage
jesus didnt cut the ear off but healed it. He also stopped the fight and went willingly into his own death.
22:48 But Jesus said to him, "Judas, would you betray the Son of Man with a kiss?"121 22:49 When122 those who were around him saw what was about to happen, they said, "Lord, should123 we use our swords?"124 22:50 Then125 one of them126 struck the high priest's slave,127 cutting off his right ear. 22:51 But Jesus said,128 "Enough of this!" And he touched the man's129 ear and healed130 him. 22:52 Then131 Jesus said to the chief priests, the officers of the temple guard,132 and the elders who had come out to get him, "Have you come out with swords and clubs like you would against an outlaw?133 22:53 Day after day when I was with you in the temple courts,134 you did not arrest me.135 But this is your hour,136 and that of the power137 of darkness!"
we can go tit for tat all night quoting scripture but that really isnt relevent. NONE of this is relevent to the thread discussion. IRA terrorists arent christian nore did they kill in the name of christ. They are fundamentally different from islamic extremests therefore not applicable in the discussion.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
nice try....next time read the enitire passage
jesus didnt cut the ear off but healed it. He also stopped the fight and went willingly into his own death.
Now, .....next time read my post correct. I didnt say jesus cut the ear off, but he aproved to the guys bringing the 2 swords along.
But, redicule everything that you can not really understand or aprove......kinda knew this already, so, I am not really hurt:cool:
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In the past? well yeah but... those were euros.. they were allways looking for a reason for a good slaughter of humanity.
We got rid of most of that eurotrash when they emigrated to Some contigent occupied by some indian non believers.
Having the bible in their hands they quickly rolled up that contigent
they had every right ofcourse because they where christian.
Not to mention the use of unbelievers who where later on brainwashed to become believers but still used them for slavery.
Damn we white christians have such a glorious history we are god.
:aok
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so the indian wars were a christian war? We played by the indians rules... they lost we won. The slaves were brought here by euro trash ships.
lazs
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LOL
eurostalkinameribigmouthfatha mburgereatingpig
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
LOL
eurostalkinameribigmouthfatha mburgereatingpig
Wonderfully insightful post there. Do you have any message other than hostility?
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Originally posted by hawker238
The Mulsim Palestinians want the Jewish Israelis out of land that formerly belonged to Palestine.
are you daft?
"formerly belonged to palestine" ???
go back to school and take abotu 100 history classes.
religion aside, the jews have been in Jerusalem since before the palestinians existed.
you want to bring religion into it, then mohammed was when? 500 AD?
Jerusalem was the "holy city" back during king David's times, 1000 BC or further back.
here look at a history of it:
http://www.centuryone.com/hstjrslm.html
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co-existance, and the ability to accept it, is peace.
Live and let live.
Do unto others.....
My view is there are hundreds, probably thousands of religeons,
they all feel their way is the right way. And if it doesn't involve hurting anyone or thing, I'm fine with them thinking they are right.
Anton
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ohhh i just have to reply again...
that got me going BIG time...
if you are educated by even GRADE school standards i can not fathom how you can possibly consider israel's history being up for debate.
the muslim palestinians have tried to TAKE the land and holy city from the jews for so long it seems people have come to say "ok i guess it is yours you should have it".
thats like saying i want your car.
i am going to steal it every day until you, the police, insurance, everyone says "ok i guess it really is my car"
i am not jewish, nor do i support them, but duyamn how hard is it to see the truth of the matter, the palestinians are the ones who should be blasted out of there?
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Originally posted by JB73
ohhh i just have to reply again...
that got me going BIG time...
if you are educated by even GRADE school standards i can not fathom how you can possibly consider israel's history being up for debate.
the muslim palestinians have tried to TAKE the land and holy city from the jews for so long it seems people have come to say "ok i guess it is yours you should have it".
thats like saying i want your car.
i am going to steal it every day until you, the police, insurance, everyone says "ok i guess it really is my car"
i am not jewish, nor do i support them, but duyamn how hard is it to see the truth of the matter, the palestinians are the ones who should be blasted out of there?
LOL !
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
People that blow up abortian clinics are NOT christians
Holy books are written by man, and they're open to interpretation. Ultimately, it's the job of the minister/reverend/priest to keep an eye on his flock and make sure the lessons are not taken to the extreme. However, it happens.
Now, I'll agree that people that blow up abortion clinics are not following christian principles (except Psalm 58:10 & an old testament story condoning genocide against people not following your own God). However, the fact is, there are Christians like Paul Hill, Michael Griffin, John Burt, Shelly Shannon, James Kopp that feel it's okay to murder a doctor that performs abortion. They have a large group of pro-life (ironic?) supporters. Reverend Mike Bray is on the terrorist watch list, right up there with Hamas, Hezbollah, and the intifada.
The fact is, there's extremists in every religion, and there always will be. It's a question of interpretation and indoctrination. Even the Mormon's have massacres in their history.
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." - George Bush, Sr.
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Indy I dont agree. These people that condone or encourage people to commit murder are trying to justify a sin. It just doens't work that way. These people are not right in they eyes of the lord therfore not christians. They can claim all they want but it's pretty simple to me that they are not following the teachings of christ.
Now, .....next time read my post correct. I didnt say jesus cut the ear off, but he aproved to the guys bringing the 2 swords along.
avoid the actual subject by bringing up abstract remarks pertaining to the irrelevent. That's what your good at....keep trolling
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Wonderfully insightful post there. Do you have any message other than hostility?
i didn't start that crap
i'm just sarcastic as u can see in my other posts too
i got nothing against the USA
but i hate ignorance and arogance
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Originally posted by patrone
Now, .....next time read my post correct. I didnt say jesus cut the ear off, but he aproved to the guys bringing the 2 swords along.
sorry i missed this thread.
patrone, spend less time in "i'm a top secret Swiss operative" land, and do some thinking about what you are saying in "this" world.
You are TOTALLY taking things out of context. Anybody who is limited in scope, can take a singe (or a couple) verses of the Bible, and if they dont' really understand what they are reading, can make then say/mean whatever they want. I had an ex-wife who was AWESOME at that. She could throw bible verses at me from memory to fit any situation. Unfortunatly, when you would examine, and strive to understand said verses, their meaning was far different than hers.
Let's take your Luke 22:36 for example. Gonna borrow something from a web page, 'cause I am far too tired to sift through lesson plans, and my various study bibles.
"Context is the key to Jesus' words. In Matthew 10:34, Jesus is speaking about the divisions that will come, even among family members, over their belief or lack of belief about Him. In that respect, He has come to bring division. This context is also related in Luke 12:51.
Luke 22:36 Jesus is preparing the disciples for His departure. He is telling them that they will need to provide for themselves and even protect themselves. Up to that time, everything they had needed had been provided. But, after the crucifixion and ascension, they would again be "on their own." They would need to work, provide for their families, and, if need be, protect their own; hence, the mention of the sword. Of course, the Bible teaches that Christians are to be peaceful, loving, and forgiving. But it also teaches that we are not required to sit idly by when persecuted unrighteously.
The rest of the "peace" verses, teach just that: peace.
Jesus did not contradict Himself. When we look at His words in context, we can see what He was saying and that there is no contradiction at all.."
Reading is one thing. Understanding is another. Start brushing up on the latter. I would hesitate to throw scriptures around until you have a basic grasp and understanding of them.
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Great thing that yall know exactly the meaning of everything in the Bible. I do not claim I do.............
But to bring this into its original issue: I claimed that Jesus was not a pacifist.
And I do not understand how people servicing in Canada? are allowed to shout out their exact doings. SO much for "covert".
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I bet that family was murdered because of the argument on the BBS.