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Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Langford on January 16, 2005, 10:22:16 PM

well just wonderin,because i just got a yugoslavian 8mm mauser but waiting for background check to be done,so what kind of WWII gun do u have,if u can post some pics;) :D :p ;) :D

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Mini D on January 16, 2005, 11:09:46 PM

(http://www.fatdrunkbastards.com/FDB/forum/uploads/MiniD/9323F_2005-01-16-2000-001.jpg)

(http://www.fatdrunkbastards.com/FDB/forum/uploads/MiniD/BB221_2005-01-16-2000-003.jpg)

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lasersailor184 on January 16, 2005, 11:26:32 PM

1911, 3 Nagants, 1 1903, 2 Garands and one more that is escaping my mind right now.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Blooz on January 16, 2005, 11:38:22 PM

1911 .45 ACP

M1 Carbine

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Maverick on January 17, 2005, 09:38:55 AM

I have three, the .45's I own are all post war civilian models.
M-1 Garand
M-1 Carbine
Enfield Mk3

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: ra on January 17, 2005, 10:14:43 AM

1942 Mosin-Nagant 91/30.  Teh gun that won teh war.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lazs2 on January 17, 2005, 10:24:29 AM

enfield, Garrand and mauser 98k  Also a 1917 Smith and Wesson revolver in 45 acp and a model 97 winchester trench gun 12 guage.

I have modern versions of the walther PPK and 1911

lazs

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: rpm on January 17, 2005, 10:46:14 AM

8mm mod98 Mauser...Swastika and all. Picked it up for little of nothing at a pawn shop. The guy thought it was a 30.06

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 17, 2005, 12:02:54 PM

Mg 42, Suomi, Mauser 98, 1919 a1, M2 50 cal. Ksp m/36x3 (one double Lavette, one single) ksp m/42, m/37-39, ag 42 ljungman,
ksp m/37 and ksp m/21 (BARs), mauser m/38, mauser m/96, Lahti pistol, m/40 pistol, Tokarev, no deacts, all full working Autos.



(http://www.beredskapstid.org/bilder/egna_bilder/goteborg_arena3_s.jpg)

Me, shooting my double ksp m/36 during a airraid.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Langford on January 17, 2005, 12:05:47 PM

lol rpm,thats so cool,hoping to get a mosin nagant soon too,btw i like the pics mini D,and wow thats alot of guns patrone:D

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 17, 2005, 01:49:46 PM

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Originally posted by Langford
lol rpm,thats so cool,hoping to get a mosin nagant soon too,btw i like the pics mini D,and wow thats alot of guns patrone:D

Yes, miniD´s pistol, Radom Vis is a very nice gun, indeed.

I am still wanting a Nazi marked "Colt 1911" made in Norway (Kongsberg colt 1914).
And an original Thompson 1928, a Swedish marked P-38 and a Swedish marked K 98. Actully the list is pretty long....

By the way, the M2 is intended for the J 26 (Mustang) and left in the box with solinoids and all, never ever fired. It still has the original "wax" coat inside. I do´nt think I will ever fire it. Just get another one, if they ever show up.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Bodhi on January 17, 2005, 02:01:49 PM

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/514_1105992056_dscn1436.jpg)

The day I got it... :D

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Hawklore on January 17, 2005, 02:11:53 PM

M91/30 Nagant...

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Bodhi on January 17, 2005, 02:13:33 PM

I also have:


M1 Garand
4 M1 Carbines
Enfield Mk 3
Mauser 98k
3 M1919A4 MG
2 M2 MG
Enfield built Bren
Sten Gun
2 Colt .45 (one post war - one war era)

going through paper work for an MP40

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: rpm on January 17, 2005, 02:18:03 PM

Bodhi, my ex-father-in-law had 2 pre-war civilian model Thompsons he called "The Boys". Tried my best to talk him into selling me one of them. No way, Jose!

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Bodhi on January 17, 2005, 02:24:35 PM

I want to buy the Thompson commando version, but I suspect that the fiancee might be a bit peeved should I shell that amount of cash out for another gun.  

I will be content with what I have for now.

Know anyone that wants to buy a Barrett M82... then we might start talking new gun.  :D

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: SOB on January 17, 2005, 02:30:29 PM

I don't think this one's from WWII, but what the hey...
(http://www.matthoffman.us/dl/luger.jpg)

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: rshubert on January 17, 2005, 02:40:49 PM

M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, M1911 (not A1), 1903A3

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 17, 2005, 02:51:25 PM

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Originally posted by Bodhi

Know anyone that wants to buy a Barrett M82... then we might start talking new gun.  :D

Depends on the price, really. It would fit in the collection, thats for sure.

Your Autos are deactivated?

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: JoOwEn on January 17, 2005, 02:54:39 PM

I dont collect guns but I do collect pocket knives.

(http://www.belt-buckle-knife.com/images/knife_anim_small.gif)

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 17, 2005, 03:19:00 PM

Quote

Originally posted by JoOwEn
I dont collect guns but I do collect pocket knives.

Nice, what kinda WWII era pocket knives do you have?

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: JoOwEn on January 17, 2005, 03:25:23 PM

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Originally posted by patrone
Nice, what kinda WWII era pocket knives do you have?

The big kind.

;)

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: texace on January 17, 2005, 03:36:56 PM

M1 Carbine
M1A1 Carbine
1903 Springfeild
1903A4 Springfeild
2 M1 Garands
2 Luger P08s
Walther P38
3 Colt 1911s
Broomhandle Mauser
Mauser K98
Japanese Model 99 rifle
Tolktarev TT33 (The Russian Colt)
1928 Thompson with drum and stick mags

And there's more where that came from.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Langford on January 17, 2005, 03:55:04 PM

wow this is an awsome thread,and i LOVE ur thompson Bodi its a beaut, i like seeing all the guns people have,post more:D:D:D,BTW SOB that is a luger made in 1939 to 1946 i think,but i no it is WWII:aok

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lasersailor184 on January 17, 2005, 04:14:38 PM

I've been looking to pick up an M1 Carbine.  Other then gunshows, where should I look at what's a decent price for a standard one?

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Octavius on January 17, 2005, 04:18:11 PM

My digital camera is hosed at the moment, so this is the only photo I could find:

(http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/gabrmetz/germ88.gif)

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Holden McGroin on January 17, 2005, 04:21:07 PM

I was hiking in the Rockies a few years ago and came across a dead man who was mauled by a bear.  I saw that he had a .50 Cal Hawkins and had written a note.

It said, "I, Hatchet Jack, being of sound mind and broke legs, do leaveth my rifle to the next thing who finds it, Lord hope he be a white man. It is a good rifle, and killeth the bear that killeth me. Anyway, I am dead. Sincerley, Hatchet Jack."

So that is where I got my oldest gun.

 wait... maybe that was a movie...  

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: kevykev56 on January 17, 2005, 04:26:31 PM

Here are a few of my collection.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/kevykev/GunLineup004.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/kevykev/GunLineup005.jpg)

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Langford on January 17, 2005, 04:35:49 PM

wow nice colection,i think i see al mausers but the last 2 witch are Mosin Nagants,but good clection going;)

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lazs2 on January 17, 2005, 04:36:45 PM

so patrone.... you do chian those guns up at night so that they don't get out and go on a murder rampage?

lazs

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: kevykev56 on January 17, 2005, 04:45:34 PM

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Originally posted by Langford
wow nice colection,i think i see al mausers but the last 2 witch are Mosin Nagants,but good clection going;)

Yep, mostly mausers here(Czech,Turk,Yugo,German variants), didnt feel like getting the rest of the collection out.  The last 2 you are correct M/N, the short is an M38 and the long rifle is a 91/30. I love the M38 one of my favorite milsurps. WOW does it throw a flame.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Bodhi on January 17, 2005, 04:54:16 PM

Quote

Originally posted by patrone
Depends on the price, really. It would fit in the collection, thats for sure.

Your Autos are deactivated?

All are fully licensed.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Russian on January 17, 2005, 05:28:12 PM

M91/30 year 42.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: G0ALY on January 17, 2005, 05:54:37 PM

Just 2 left. An M1 and a Lee Enfield SMLE No1 Mk3.

(http://goaly.homestead.com/files/garrand.jpg)

(http://goaly.homestead.com/files/smle.jpg)

I used to have alot more Enfields, but the kid came and things change.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 17, 2005, 06:20:15 PM

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Originally posted by lazs2
so patrone.... you do chian those guns up at night so that they don't get out and go on a murder rampage?

lazs

well, my safe weight is a good 6,5 metric ton and the walls are about 30 cm thick. How do you store your stuff? on the wall?


And thats quite neat Bodhi, deactivated guns are destroyed guns.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Langford on January 17, 2005, 06:23:02 PM

hey kevykev56 what ones are ur Yugo,just curious,and whats with ur other collection,btw love the .303 and the M1 GOALY:aok :aok ,good stuff

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Hawklore on January 17, 2005, 07:53:34 PM

I'm a WWII reenactor..

I need all the WWII weapons I can get, wanna share?

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lazs2 on January 17, 2005, 08:14:17 PM

My safe only weighs about 800 lbs and is bolted to the concrete slab... I keep one out while I am home.  so far they have not gone on any murderous rampages on their own... they seem well behaved.

lazs

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Saurdaukar on January 17, 2005, 08:29:35 PM

98k, 1911

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 17, 2005, 08:47:04 PM

By the way, Anyone has any Israelic 7,62 saur&son made K98`s prior to 1939 or 1939?

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Langford on January 17, 2005, 10:20:41 PM

hey kevykev56 what ones are ur Yugo,just curious,and whats with ur other collection,i no i said this already but just a bump hehe for kev

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: kevykev56 on January 17, 2005, 11:08:48 PM

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Originally posted by Langford
hey kevykev56 what ones are ur Yugo,just curious,and whats with ur other collection,i no i said this already but just a bump hehe for kev

Yugo Mausers as follows: 3,4,5 from the right M48BO Unissued, M24/47, Yugo Capture K98(Still has some German Markings).

As for the rest of the collection, I only collect long guns. I have a few more mausers(including another Yugo M48), Swiss K31 and Model 1878 Vetterli .41 rimfire, Enfield (Identical to Goaly's) and a #4 Mk1, a M/N M44, and lots of others that arent WW2 era guns. SKS's including Yugo, Russian, Chinese a Romak WSAR-10(AK-47 Clone).

I have the standard requred shotguns and rifles for use while hunting. None of wich are WW2 era. I do however use the M38 with a MOJO sight system on it for Deer hunting. Not been lucky with it yet :(

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Angus on January 18, 2005, 07:16:31 AM

Just curious,  - which one would be the best for marksmanship?

BTW, was once travelling in Greenland. An old Inuit offered me a .303 for 120$. I could not take it, since I was on the last flight away, and one needs a permit with the number on it before transporting.
Still thinking about it though.
303 he said or 30-30. Is that WW2 or the more new Nato round.

Brand unknown, as well as year.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Langford on January 18, 2005, 08:41:47 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Angus
Just curious,  - which one would be the best for marksmanship?

BTW, was once travelling in Greenland. An old Inuit offered me a .303 for 120$. I could not take it, since I was on the last flight away, and one needs a permit with the number on it before transporting.
Still thinking about it though.
303 he said or 30-30. Is that WW2 or the more new Nato round.

Brand unknown, as well as year.

well i think the .303 was my uncle use to have one an it was dead on accuate

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lazs2 on January 18, 2005, 08:46:15 AM

angus... I don't think you should have a gun.

but.. the 303 was not nato it was/is a horrible rimmed rifle round.  The rim causes problems and no other modern round uses it except the 30 30 which is itself very old... 19th century but still used today.

303 enfields are the least accurate.   308 probly the most... tie for first with the m1 garrand and K98 and O3 springfield.

lazs

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Langford on January 18, 2005, 05:05:11 PM

laz,my uncle had a  .303 when he was a kid those things are accurcate he could hit a can about 300 yrds out,and its just not my uncle that its good its the gun:D

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Langford on January 18, 2005, 07:58:27 PM

:D:D:DBUMP:D:D:D

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 18, 2005, 08:06:38 PM

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Originally posted by lazs2

303 enfields are the least accurate.   308 probly the most... tie for first with the m1 garrand and K98 and O3 springfield.

lazs

303 least accurate out of WWII rifle rounds, military issue, or just over all least accurate round ever made?

And 308 proby the most accurate WWII rifle round, military issue, or just the most accurate rifle round ever made?

What rifle, general issued by militay during WWII was chambered for 308 win?

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Creamo on January 18, 2005, 08:50:22 PM

M44, 91/30 Tula (round) and a 91/30 Izhevsk (hex). Pry should take some pictures as I liked seeing a few posted here.

I'd really like to get some of the famous WWII rifles that have a ton of history, but for now, am waiting for my curios and relics to get back, as these laws kinda suck, and I don't want to $25 background check myself to death picking them up one at a time. Not to mention most I want are pricey compared to these awesome Nagants.

Rumor is Aztec is getting a shipment of SVT 40's, and one of those ought to set me back enough till I get the license. Plus, I then can run through the 700 rounds of Czechoslovakia  silver tip in a big way before I order more ammo, and then know what to buy in 30-06 and 8mm.  Kinda partial to the K31’s as well, althought the ammo isn't cheap. Still going to get one.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: kevykev56 on January 18, 2005, 09:53:50 PM

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Originally posted by Creamo
M44, 91/30 Tula (round) and a 91/30 Izhevsk (hex). Pry should take some pictures as I liked seeing a few posted here.

I'd really like to get some of the famous WWII rifles that have a ton of history, but for now, am waiting for my curios and relics to get back, as these laws kinda suck, and I don't want to $25 background check myself to death picking them up one at a time. Not to mention most I want are pricey compared to these awesome Nagants.

Rumor is Aztec is getting a shipment of SVT 40's, and one of those ought to set me back enough till I get the license. Plus, I then can run through the 700 rounds of Czechoslovakia  silver tip in a big way before I order more ammo, and then know what to buy in 30-06 and 8mm.  Kinda partial to the K31’s as well, althought the ammo isn't cheap. Still going to get one.

I thought my C&R would save me money too :rofl  Before the license I had 2. In the last 2 years since the license, well you see the pics. Its an addiction, and one I love. I stopped some of my investments so I could buy guns instead, still investing just a different way. It took less than 30 days for the ATF to get my C&R to me. Good luck Creamo and have fun!

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Creamo on January 18, 2005, 10:14:55 PM

Yeah, I'm so busted, but it sounded good!

 No worse than shooting bows. Used to spend lotsa money on carbon arrows, (till I understood good 2117's were just as deadly, although not as cool and stayed in targets) range fees, 8 hours a day up a tree stand, and even more time firing 100's of arrows a day in the back yard into $125 Mekenzie targets that wore out. And I had 5 of them. Actually, these rifles could be way worse. It takes weekends full of message board and website browsing just to understand what you have. Then you start disassembling the bolts, cleaning, reassembling, and just looking at them like a tard. Just can’t help it. This is pry not a good thing, but I love it. Can’t wait to buy more.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lazs2 on January 20, 2005, 11:40:15 AM

patrone... I would say that the 303 was the least accurate of the rounds discussed...  The 308 was never a WWII round but... the WWII 98 beiong discussed has been rechambered for 308 and so I was answering the question in the context of that group of rifles.

I would also say that the 98k in 8mm mauser and the ought six in either the 03 or Garrand were about tied for most accurate of WWII with the 7mm jap rifles being about the least accurate of WWII.

I am curious tho.    How do you manage to keep so many full auto guns in your home?   Are they all legal and.... can you transport and shoot them anywhere you like so long as it is safe?   At a friends ranch or land for instance?

lazs

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 20, 2005, 12:02:44 PM

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Originally posted by lazs2

I am curious tho.    How do you manage to keep so many full auto guns in your home?   Are they all legal and.... can you transport and shoot them anywhere you like so long as it is safe?   At a friends ranch or land for instance?
lazs

The Permit for the Machineguns are only for "collection". They are all legal. Yet full working.
To shoot theese guns, I have to have a permit for every time I want to use each and one of them. They can not be full assambeled during transport.

The storage of the Guns have to be larmed and with a separate line to local police station. And the safety has to be qulified to keep atleast 70,000$ in cash (security class 3 safety I have a security class 5 wich allows the storage of 2 million$ in cash.)

And No one can apply for "full auto" permits as collectors item that did´nt already posses one prior to 2000.
From last year, not even a dealer can have a "full-auto" in stock at his shop, if it has not been sold or ordered by a customer with a prior permit.

The police will pay you 100$ for your auto, if you fail to get the correct storage (see above) and destroy it.

Right now, its kinda "Full auto" bonanza.

1000$ for a full working mg 42, with grasshopper stand, extra barrels and spares, etc, etc. I really think I paid most for the Grasshopper in that lot.

best deal yet: I traded a "recoiless grenaderifle" m/42 for a 1919 a4, a Ksp m/36, a Ksp m/42 and the Akan m/45 (acka: M2 .50 browning). I might have to tell you that the price of the recoilles m/42 was 70$ when I bought it 1998.

I have other permits for my other, modern full-autos, but thats another story. Still the storage rules are the same

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lazs2 on January 20, 2005, 02:34:14 PM

geeze... that sounds like a lot more trouble than it is worth.... I thought we had it bad..

So basicly... you have to be very well off and get permission and then.... they are not really your guns.... you are just keeping them until your government wants to take em away from you?   You can't throw one in the old El Camino and go out to your friends house in the country and shoot up an old washing machine or jackrabbit?

lazs

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 20, 2005, 02:52:02 PM

Quote

Originally posted by lazs2
geeze... that sounds like a lot more trouble than it is worth.... I thought we had it bad..

So basicly... you have to be very well off and get permission and then.... they are not really your guns.... you are just keeping them until your government wants to take em away from you?   You can't throw one in the old El Camino and go out to your friends house in the country and shoot up an old washing machine or jackrabbit?

lazs

No, not with the ones that are restricted as "collectebles". But thats not the only ones that I have permited. I can take out the G3 or MP 5, FNC, take them to the range for a shootingsession.

As we have slightly diffrent laws on people entering in and out of land "all peoples right to enter anyones land", it would be hazardus to shoot fullautos just anywhere.

And, yes, I have to complie with the rules about keeping guns. I guess you are lucky that can just shut your eyes to any law issued by your goverment.

Example: A drunk driving, or just being Drunk in public can jeapordize all my permits.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: airbumba on January 20, 2005, 04:18:14 PM

Sten MK 2 , Walther p38 & 25, 4 .303's, ( 2 Lee Enfields Mklll, No4 MK1, and a No 5 Mk1), Mauser Kar 98 k. and a few other toys.

The guns ARE NOT at my residence.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lazs2 on January 21, 2005, 10:40:38 AM

What does drunk driving have to do with owning guns?   Waht do you mean by no new permits after 2000?  you mean no one else can get a permit?   Why is that?   Why can't you just go to a friends land or your own land and, if it is out of the city limits, shoot at whatever you want so long as you aren't endangering anyone or bothering anyone?

airumba... what do you mean not at your house?  Don't you own em?  If you own em then you should damn well be able to keep em at your house.   If you are not allowed to then In my opinion.... they are not your guns... you are leasing them from the state.   The state will tell you what you can do with em down to the last detail.

lazs

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 21, 2005, 11:17:20 AM

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Originally posted by lazs2
What does drunk driving have to do with owning guns?   Waht do you mean by no new permits after 2000?  you mean no one else can get a permit?   Why is that?   Why can't you just go to a friends land or your own land and, if it is out of the city limits, shoot at whatever you want so long as you aren't endangering anyone or bothering anyone?

lazs

No, really, I do not see why a person owning "destructive devices" could´nt be drunk and driving....You are really naive if you can not see the danger of being drunk driving a car.
If you could´nt be trusted driving, how could you be trusted owning a gun? Yet a full auto?
Guess that FBI does not check anyone that has class 3 weapons in USA? Just free for anyone to walk in and buy, in any store?
No matter what kind of "record" they had?

No one gets any new permits from year 2000, for full autos, for collection, that didnt own atleast one prior to this year.
You may be granted permit for targetshooting, if you are a top-ranked shooter and a member of a shootingsociety that are conducting competitions in "fullauto".
Same rules apply to handguns, pistols, revolvers, if you are not a active shooter for a period of 5 years, shooting "Gold" (3 series of 5 shoots 25 yards time:3 min. making atleast 46 in each, 3 series of 5 shoots in 30 sec. hitting all shoots withing the "7")  you lose your permit.

I could take my guns to shoot the way you are describing, no problem at all. But I do not do it.
I would have to fence or mark out a great big area, to make sure noone didnt just walk in while shooting.
Even on the Shootingrange, people just come walking in at the targetstands, even if it is fenced in and signs are up.

I take shooting seriously, its not like a game of "Golf".

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lazs2 on January 21, 2005, 11:31:41 AM

I don't drink but... using your logic... someone caught drunk in public shouldn't be trusted to have a car or drivers licence either eh?

Anoyone can apply for a class 3 here if they are a citizen and not a felon or insane.  It is not that expensive.   Any working class guy can afford a full auto if he can afford to even insure his car and... that is the way it should be.   I am sure that those who didn't have a permit before 2000 and now want one feel that they are free because YOU are allowed to shoot (so long as you can afford it and no new laws are passed)

I take guns seriously too... I take sex seriously too but... I don't see any point in doing either if it isn't fun.

lazs

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Charon on January 21, 2005, 11:45:22 AM

I have a 1944 BSA No. 4 Mk 1 Enfield. Paid $115 for it all matching (stamped), 1944 barrel with a shiny, strong bore. Stock is pretty good, with some arsenal repairs.

It was rearsenaled at Ishapore India at some point, since it has that screw they run through the stock for grenade launching and a heavy coat of locomotive type paint slopped on the metal. I plan on removing that (since it practically comes off on its own and obscures most of the markings). Probably 70 percent original finish or better under it though.  It will be great shooting it once the weather clears and I can find an appropriate rifle range. Probably at least an hour drive each way from the People's Republic of Cook County (PRCC) :)

Creamo, my next purchase (maybe today) is likely one of the Finnish M-39s over at Wholesale Guns and Ammo. Supposed to be great shooters with great history and fairly rare for the current prices. I guess a new shipment is in at Tennessee Guns or one of the other importers, and its being talked up as the "last of the bunch" with prices to follow accordingly. Still, they are talking 13,000 rifles...

Charon

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Charon on January 21, 2005, 11:49:36 AM

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   Sten MK 2 , Walther p38 & 25, 4 .303's, ( 2 Lee Enfields Mklll, No4 MK1, and a No 5 Mk1), Mauser Kar 98 k. and a few other toys.

Is the Sten full auto Airbumba?

Charon

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 21, 2005, 11:54:48 AM

Quote

Originally posted by lazs2
I don't drink but... using your logic... someone caught drunk in public shouldn't be trusted to have a car or drivers licence either eh?

Anoyone can apply for a class 3 here if they are a citizen and not a felon or insane.  It is not that expensive.   Any working class guy can afford a full auto if he can afford to even insure his car and... that is the way it should be.   I am sure that those who didn't have a permit before 2000 and now want one feel that they are free because YOU are allowed to shoot (so long as you can afford it and no new laws are passed)

I take guns seriously too... I take sex seriously too but... I don't see any point in doing either if it isn't fun.

lazs

Get caught drunk in public might cause the lost of driverlicens to, yes.
The change of the gunlaws in this country are made to get closer to the other "EU" members laws. I think that Sweden was the only country in Europe that allowed owning fullautos, the way they did. Before, the new set of laws, you could´nt own an de-activated fullauto, the law did´nt make a diffrence between live and de-activated. (Wich was good in one way. It left a whole lot of weapons intact and original.)
Now, the law does. It is easier to get a permit for a de-activated gun as a collector.
Still the law is that  if it was made to be a gun, it can not be owned without permit. Neither can ammuniton.

Yes, the new set of laws sux. And I am fortunate to be holding a permit. (Actully I am just a paper away from to become a gun-dealer again).  

Shooting is not very expensive as I get most ammo for free.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Charon on January 21, 2005, 11:54:51 AM

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I thought my C&R would save me money too Before the license I had 2. In the last 2 years since the license, well you see the pics. Its an addiction, and one I love. I stopped some of my investments so I could buy guns instead, still investing just a different way. It took less than 30 days for the ATF to get my C&R to me. Good luck Creamo and have fun!

I have the paperwork sitting here right now, but it seems like you put yourself at the mercy of some future bureaucrat. It is really tempting though. But, I have a local FFL dealer who will do a transfer for $25 bucks flat, which isn't all that bad.

Charon

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Creamo on January 21, 2005, 11:57:29 AM

Everytime though?

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lazs2 on January 21, 2005, 11:59:58 AM

patrone... thank you for your honesty and knowledge on the subject.

As you can see.... it is a slippery slope that giving up things a little at a time.   I think it is also important to note that "getting into line with other countries" is not a good thing.

These are two things that I find abhorent about the gun grabber lobby and the U.N.

lazs

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: airbumba on January 21, 2005, 12:00:56 PM

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Originally posted by lazs2

airumba... what do you mean not at your house?  Don't you own em?  If you own em then you should damn well be able to keep em at your house.   If you are not allowed to then In my opinion.... they are not your guns... you are leasing them from the state.   The state will tell you what you can do with em down to the last detail.

lazs

Lazs, I don't have the proper permits for the handguns, so their stored at my x father in laws, since he's a gun collector. I'll get around to it one day.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Charon on January 21, 2005, 12:03:21 PM

Yeah, every time. But I plan on getting a Garand and a 1903 from CMP fairly soon, and they just deliver to the door without a C&R. The dealer I use also operates out of his house and has reasonable prices on a range of milsurps so there are some options there. Stilll, it is tempting to log on to a site, mail in the C&R and have a cheap rifle arrive at your door a week later without any fee or pick up.

And, as Kevykev notes, I can easily see myself buying a gun a week. That one looks nice, only $80. Hell, if I don't like it I'll just order another one and see what shape it's in :)  I would probably have a safe full now if I had the C&R and no moneyt in my account.

Charon

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Post by: airbumba on January 21, 2005, 12:06:33 PM

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Originally posted by Charon
Is the Sten full auto Airbumba?

Charon

Charon, mine isn't, but I 've used the father in laws which is still auto. Most of them had the mechanism welded upon being shipped to Canada post war. It uglies it up too, you see the big burn marks, :( It can be undone and returned to it's state, but I'd probably never get a permit for it anyway.

I'm going to check my No4 Mk1 numbers, wouldn't that be a hoot if they were side by side, hehe.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 21, 2005, 12:13:27 PM

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Originally posted by lazs2
patrone... thank you for your honesty and knowledge on the subject.

As you can see.... it is a slippery slope that giving up things a little at a time.   I think it is also important to note that "getting into line with other countries" is not a good thing.

These are two things that I find abhorent about the gun grabber lobby and the U.N.

lazs

Yes, I totally agree with you there Laz2, to get in line with other countries or "state" laws is not a good thing. Actully, we will soon "adjust" our consitution and kicking it down the drain for the "new" constituton of europe.
But what can I do about it, more then protest?, nothing. Just because people here act like sheeps.
In the consitution it says clearly that it can not be changed without having 1 election between. they walk around it by just kicking the whole thing out......

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lazs2 on January 21, 2005, 12:19:45 PM

the enemy isn't guns... the enemy is a government who would take your guns away.

If we were told to dump our constitution for a euro one I would sure hope that the rioting would begin....  the governments will and motives would then be tested... much like our civil war.

lazs

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 21, 2005, 12:51:35 PM

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Originally posted by lazs2
the enemy isn't guns... the enemy is a government who would take your guns away.

If we were told to dump our constitution for a euro one I would sure hope that the rioting would begin....  the governments will and motives would then be tested... much like our civil war.

lazs

I think that the closest compare would be: If all "state" laws would be same all over. I think it would not lead to a civilwar.

The way things are moving now, in Europe, is to create a "United States of Europe" and it is done, little by little, everyday.

We, in Sweden, have access to all information, but in rest of Europe, the same information is "secret".
In the end, Germany, Poland and France, maybe UK, will rule Europe.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: hyena426 on January 21, 2005, 01:15:22 PM

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I don't think this one's from WWII, but what the hey...

nice luger sob,,ill post a pic of mine later,,i own a long barrel 1914 ernfurt model:)

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 21, 2005, 01:21:47 PM

By the way, laz2, If I would move to the USA, would there be anyway to bring my guns? My Mrs is US Citizen and the area would be either LA or TX

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 21, 2005, 01:53:34 PM

Another little nice link for gunlovers.

A very big collector died this fall without any relatives. All his guns are auctioned away ,4000+guns, many rare items! like "gyrojet" and "mp41" some silenced special wwII undercover guns, etc,etc

http://www.auktionsverket.se

Click on English and the on Cataloges "weapons of Bengt Eriksson"

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 21, 2005, 02:39:44 PM

Time to go to the bank to get a loan.....
But I doubt this is all, I think this is only half of what he had

(http://www.auktionsverket.se/R503/stor/4904.jpg)

Mod. 1921 serial nr 248

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lazs2 on January 21, 2005, 02:51:14 PM

patrone..  I have no idea what the laws are for a non citizen to bring guns over from another country but I would imagine that you would at least need to have an FFL dealer recieve them and then they would have to be registered... the full autos.... who knows?  Some of the guys with full auto permits might know.

lazs

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 21, 2005, 03:30:11 PM

GS, It didnt cost me that much really. I had my own Gunshop as hobbie for like 6 years and a lot of the "winnings" where installed in the collection. Also there was a lot of trading this for that.
The bigest investment was actully the big safe, the guy asked 50,000 sek for it but I got it haggled down to 30 000 sek.

You must also remember, that the prices here, is no way near the high prizes of Norway. hear, time stood still since 1973, I got a HK 21 for 6000 sek (900$) a while ago.


Roughly, I estimate the real price for my total collection to be around  50,000 sek (8000$ )paid money, the value 250000 sek(40,000$)

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Post by: Charon on January 21, 2005, 03:48:47 PM

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*lol* I kind of pictured you living in a cardboard box next to your six ton safe

Or maybe a room in the back of the safe :) Kind of puts my 300 pound Sentry safe to shame. But I did nonly pay $250 for it at a Walmart.

Charon

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 21, 2005, 03:59:49 PM

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Originally posted by GScholz
How's the Swedish prices compared to the US? Norway and the US are pretty similar (Norway prolly being a bit more expensive).

I say the fifth of the price in USA, for "collectors weapon"

Well, a Machinegun, we say a Cal. 50 would be around 3 500 to 5000 sek, a Mp 40 about 2000-3000.

It really depends on what you are looking for. look at the catalog, most of these guns will go under 500 sek (80$). Because there is not a market for them. Its hard to get a permit and the collectors, shooters already have guns enough.

Not even the rarest items well go for much over the startbid

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: rshubert on January 21, 2005, 04:12:53 PM

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Originally posted by lazs2
patrone..  I have no idea what the laws are for a non citizen to bring guns over from another country but I would imagine that you would at least need to have an FFL dealer recieve them and then they would have to be registered... the full autos.... who knows?  Some of the guys with full auto permits might know.

lazs

Unfortunately, the importation and/or manufacture of full auto weapons has been frozen in the USA, since 1984.  No full auto firearm can be transferred to a civilian buyer that was not in the posession of a US civilian owner prior to (I can't remenmer the exact date) in 1984, some time in July I think.  These rules do not apply to some dealers, or to police departments, or the government.

As to your semiautomatic and other weapons, you may be able to get them in.  Contact an importer in the US, and have them imported for you.



shubie

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Post by: patrone on January 21, 2005, 04:18:49 PM

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Originally posted by rshubert

As to your semiautomatic and other weapons, you may be able to get them in.  Contact an importer in the US, and have them imported for you.



shubie

Thanks Shubie

I just convert em all to semis, then ;)

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Charon on January 21, 2005, 05:13:53 PM

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Thanks Shubie

I just convert em all to semis, then

Sorry to say, but I think they have limitations on that too. Once an auto, always an auto I believe. You might be able to use them as parts guns and by a third party, semi-only receiver.

Charon

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Post by: patrone on January 21, 2005, 05:23:59 PM

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Originally posted by Charon
Sorry to say, but I think they have limitations on that too. Once an auto, always an auto I believe. You might be able to use them as parts buns and by a third party, semi-only receiver.

Charon

Thanks Charon for the Hint.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Charon on January 21, 2005, 05:35:13 PM

I think that is the deal patrone. I believe they are selling BARs now where they have to do that, and where the receiver has to be specially engineered so that you can't convert it back to full auto at some future date.

Charon

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 21, 2005, 06:02:53 PM

Yes, actully, I have seen a couple of thoose recivers already.
Still not really an option. It would mean that I still had to get ride of the original reciver: Wich would still be classified as a gun and need a permit, and I would need to scrape them.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lazs2 on January 23, 2005, 10:05:49 AM

shlotz... how much does a handgun cost there?

lazs

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Bodhi on January 23, 2005, 12:10:27 PM

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Originally posted by Charon
Sorry to say, but I think they have limitations on that too. Once an auto, always an auto I believe. You might be able to use them as parts guns and by a third party, semi-only receiver.

Charon

That is incorrect Charon.

A fully automatic weapon such as say, a .50 cal, or a .30 cal when converted to a semi automatic mg, contains removal of the RH side plate and replacing it with another that is groved to only allow a semi auto bolt to fit.  This is usually followed by three small welds on the bottom plate to the LH and RH side plate to make it extremely difficuly to remove the side plate with out tell tale damage remaining to prove you did it.  This completely satisfys the BATF requirements for making it a semi auto.  

Lastly, just an fyi, but the side plate is the only "licenesed" part of those weapons that requires paper work.  It is not illegal to own a full auto bolt for either, possess a side plate without the paperwork, and you are as good as dead if they catch you.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Angus on January 23, 2005, 12:20:36 PM

From lazs2
"angus... I don't think you should have a gun. "

I don't think you should have one either.
I still have my 3, need at least one for the Job.
I however have no multi-round handgun, nor do I need one.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Charon on January 23, 2005, 12:22:56 PM

Interesting. Thanks, Bodhi.

Charon

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 23, 2005, 12:43:15 PM

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Originally posted by lazs2
shlotz... how much does a handgun cost there?

lazs

The Cheap Dollar makes US made Guns about the same price as the cheapest russian/Cz made stuff. But, it will not make any change on what people will buy.

Most shooters here has the Belgian made Unique 69 cal. 22 long and a SIG 47/8 or 210/6, many with  dual cal. options 7.65/9 mm para.

We have some diffrent "targetshooting" traditions in Scandinavia and due to this, most shooters are engaged with plain targetsshooting in period late spring to early fall, then starts the "fieldshooting". Its a shooting that recuire a very fast and flatshooting bullet, due to the constant change of target-range. The best shooters use the 7,65 for this.

22. long is class C. cal. 30 (7.65) class B and 9 mm Para class A.
Revolvers are one class. Short barreled Revolvers are one class.
Then you have a special class for Magnum guns.

Most revolvers used are Mahurin cal. 38/32, (You see, when you only have the option to buy one gun, for each type of class, you simply buy the very best.)

Practical shooter go mostly for Italian (CZ) Tagfolio 9 mm para or they get some Custom made .45 ACP 1911 models.

In Sweden, a handgun is consider a tool of your sport. And you need a recommendation from your shooting club to be granted a permit. I think the rules are the same in Norway. And also the trend among shooters in general.

A Unique des 69 is around 900 EU and a SIG 210 1100
 EU. a Mahurin rev. from 1500 EU.

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lazs2 on January 23, 2005, 05:50:11 PM

I had heard that in europe guns with interchangeble calibers were very popular.    Here.... we just buy 5 or ten and leave em laying around till we want to take em out and plink with em.  I like to reload so like revolvers in the heavy calibers like 44 mag or .45..  Cost for a box of 44 mag (50 rounds) is about $4.00 for my reloads.    

I can't imagine that there are much higher quality pistols or revolvers than we have a choice from here.   The Used market is very good also.   The real fees are the transfer and such which add about 30 dollars to the price.

I can't really think of any european 44 mag or 45 or 454 revolvers that are better quality than our dan wessons and smiths and colts and casuls.   We also have a host of custom gunmakers that will sell you just about any pistol or revolver type you want.

lazs

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: patrone on January 23, 2005, 06:15:23 PM

Well I agree with you when it comes to "service" guns. You guys make pretty good, sturdy guns. I am myself a S&W fan.

But, when it comes to the kind of targetshooting I am talking about, I am affraid these guns just don´t cut it.

I shoot a 422 S&W in the 22.cal group and I make pretty nice score with it. I hate the thumb-rests and special made handles, as well as putting weight and adjust triggers to the extreme. And I can do just as nice with the K22 as any of the guys do with the Pistols, during quickshooting.

But yet, nothing is more straight shooting then the SIG 210/6 with the 7.65, handloads. If you get the opertunity, try one, youd be suprised.

And I also agree on USA making the very best .44/.45, magnum guns. But if i had a free choice, I take a mahurin for the cal. 38.

To be really honest, its not really the gun that make the result, its who shoots it.

And, it was a long time ago, that I stoped paying for my Ammo :D

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: lazs2 on January 24, 2005, 08:48:09 AM

I am an ok shot and allmost all my handguns will shoot better than I can hold em.

I have a K22 and like it a lot but I am not into 22's that much... I am not into olympic style handguns in any case.   I have had upper end hi standard but... no interest in 22's most of the time... would rather shoot the k22 tho than some fancy olympic gun.

I don't shoot at paper much and don't even have a 38 in the safe.

I like to shoot out in open country at unknown ranges from 30 to 400 yards at targets of opportunity... there is no use for the guns you mention for me...  I have several handguns that will shoot sub 1" groups at 25 yards but not really into that... shooting paper is kinda boring for me.

lazs

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: 101ABN on January 24, 2005, 10:43:09 AM

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Originally posted by Bodhi
I want to buy the Thompson commando version, but I suspect that the fiancee might be a bit peeved should I shell that amount of cash out for another gun.  

I will be content with what I have for now.

Know anyone that wants to buy a Barrett M82... then we might start talking new gun.  :D

Know anyone that wants to buy a Barrett M82

how much?

Title: What WWII guns do u have
Post by: Russian on January 30, 2005, 07:56:59 PM

M44 and M91/30

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