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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Charlie on January 17, 2005, 03:42:56 AM
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http://www.big-boys.com/articles/throwrocks.html
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Got nothing to do with the fact they have been herded into Ghettos ( sorry territries ) walled in, made to carry passes, have had their villages and homes bulldozed, have been attacked by heavy weapons, had their country stolen from under them, and see no hope of ever getting back what they have had taken from them then?
:rolleyes:
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^And whos fault is it?
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Got nothing to do with the fact they have been herded into Ghettos ( sorry territries ) walled in, made to carry passes, have had their villages and homes bulldozed, have been attacked by heavy weapons, had their country stolen from under them, and see no hope of ever getting back what they have had taken from them then?
:rolleyes:
get a clue
(http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/WORLD/meast/03/05/mideast/story.shattered.bus.ap.jpg)
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Hehe, when he's on the ground he says, "Open up" gasp gasp "I'm shot!"
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Got nothing to do with the fact they have been herded into Ghettos ( sorry territries ) walled in, made to carry passes, have had their villages and homes bulldozed, have been attacked by heavy weapons, had their country stolen from under them, and see no hope of ever getting back what they have had taken from them then?
:rolleyes:
with the way they routinely mass murder, they're lucky to be allowed to breathe at all.
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Originally posted by storch
with the way they routinely mass murder, they're lucky to be allowed to breathe at all.
Who are "they" ?
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Originally posted by Staga
Who are "they" ?
"they" are whom ever encourage others to strap explosives to themselves and detonate themselves in a crowd of other humans.
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with the way they routinely mass murder, they're lucky to be allowed to breathe at all.
That could be said for either side!!!
68Parker
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I don't understand the clip. It looks like he was shooting a shotgun in a studio and got knocked down by the recoil.
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Originally posted by parker00
That could be said for either side!!!
68Parker
amen to that
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Originally posted by parker00
That could be said for either side!!!
68Parker
what? Americans and Isrealis strap explosives on and kill innocents? really? Do tell!!!
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Well we don't need to strap explosives, we have tanks, guns, planes, etc. They use these tactics because they have nothing else. I'm not trying to justify what they do, but what else do they have?
68Parker
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enough with the hijack!
Funny arse clip!
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Parker,
They have the oportunity to stop the vioolence and show they can be trusted to bargain in good faith and be good neighbors instead of terrorist factories. With araflat gone maybe they can try a different way of life.
This is not to say that neither side is blameless but one is dedicated to the eradication of a people. That is no way to try and solve a coexistance situation. Both have historical ties to the same area. They need to realize that both are people and to find a way to get along together.
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Maverick,
I agree with most of what you said, but if Israel really wanted peace then they would leave the occupied territory that they have taken away. But I do agree the fanatics are screwing things up on both sides and when I see people like storch who say crap like "they're lucky to be allowed to breathe at all." and since he doesn't state that he is only talking about the terrorist, I am assuming that he is talking about all Palestinians. Not all of them want to kill the Israeli's off.
68Parker
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Bargain in good faith with immigrants to their land who stole it from them in a war. Would Americans or us Brits do that in their circumstances? I think not.
The real answer is that none of it is any good or makes any sense or has any justification. Being that the stealing of peoples land and homes, herding them into ghettos and then blasting them into submission with the most well equipped and advanced army in the Middle East or blowing up civillians with suicide attacks.
NONE of it can be excused. But please stop talking as if one side were righteous and one were not. They are both wrong. Both need to come to the table.
As for hijacking the thread I think not. the so called comedy video was a thinly veiled racist attack on palistinians.
Now read my signature line.
PEACE. ( though not in the virtual sky ;) )
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IIRC rifle was some special made .600cal Nitro Express 700 big bore rifle with more power than .50cal BMG.
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Originally posted by storch
what? Americans and Isrealis strap explosives on and kill innocents? really? Do tell!!!
hmmm it's can be comparable depending on the perspective ... they strap themselves in a F16 to deliver explosives :D
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Originally posted by parker00
Well we don't need to strap explosives, we have tanks, guns, planes, etc. They use these tactics because they have nothing else. I'm not trying to justify what they do, but what else do they have?
68Parker
This man had a successful option.
(http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Gandhi-Seven-Deadly-Sins.jpg)
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Skydancer,
Actually the Americans have done exactly that as well as the Brits. The Brits came to the US and took over parts from the first immigrants. Later a group of those immigrants started a war and kicked out the Brits. We have had several successful negotiations with the Brits, French, Spaniards, Portugese and Russians since then. The map of Europe was changed many times by war. Ask a Lithuanian or sopmeone from the Alsace area. This could go on and on. The idea that conquered territory from a war is not legitimate is hardly tennable given the history of the globe. Frankly The UN had a say in the formation of Isreal as well. It ain't an easy situation to figure out but using the tactics of terror will not likely cause the oposition to want to sit down and negotiate.
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Originally posted by Maverick
It ain't an easy situation to figure out but using the tactics of terror will not likely cause the oposition to want to sit down and negotiate.
Yep and this goes both ways; using attack helos, missiles, MBTs and bulldozers won't help; that should be quite clear already....
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Originally posted by Maverick
The idea that conquered territory from a war is not legitimate is hardly tennable given the history of the globe.
[paradox mode on]
So you were against the first gulf war?
Kuwait was conquered by war.
[paradox mode off]
Off course I am against aggression wars, and the first gulf war was a legitimate reaction of the "rest of the world".
The paradox is to point the double standard, of wich we (western world) are accused and hated for.
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Originally posted by Staga
Yep and this goes both ways; using attack helos, missiles, MBTs and bulldozers won't help; that should be quite clear already....
It did not help the British at Amritsar's Jallianwala Bagh in April 1919 either.
But India had a leader that knew of a way to prevail without terrorism.
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Originally posted by Skydancer
Got nothing to do with the fact they have been herded into Ghettos ( sorry territries ) walled in, made to carry passes, have had their villages and homes bulldozed, have been attacked by heavy weapons, had their country stolen from under them, and see no hope of ever getting back what they have had taken from them then?
:rolleyes:
Skydancer this a 1 sided demagogue statement, i trully hope you dont really mean that, just wanted some attention.
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Skydancer this a 1 sided demagogue statement, i trully hope you dont really mean that, just wanted some attention.
It's not really all that one sided, it's just the other side of the argument. Almost every day in the US you hear how the palestinians did another act of terror, but you very rarely hear or even see pictures of palestinian territories that have been leveled by the Israeli's. It's not like it doesn't happen either, cause with just a little research you can find information on it just not in the mainstream media. Don't get me wrong, I am truely not trying to justify what they have or are doing when it comes to terror. But most people you talk to over here don't even realize that the Israeli's are no saints when it comes to this war. You are occupying some other nations land and won't even recognize that fact that your doing it.
68Parker
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i never claimed israel is a saint.
but when you look at the current situation, and then start going back the timeline to try and understand why things look like they do today.
you will reach the following conclusion (hopefully):
the current situation (israeli occupation of so called palestinian territory) is a result of a series of conflicts, in which the arabs where the provoking side and israel responded.
if the arabs didnt turned down the UN resolution on the forming of 2 countries israel would have looked like THIS (http://domino.un.org/maps/m0103_1b.gif)
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IIRC a hamas leader in a wheel chair was taken out last year in a precision missle strike. He and his body guards were the only ones killed. How this compares to blowing up busses of school children I'll never know. In addition Israel isnt launching random rockets into palistinian territory.
Again it sickens me to see people here trying to justify terrorism.
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I doubt the palistinians will ever reconcile with the jews. I suspect the jews will eventually force the palistinians into extinction by which time the larger arab/muslim world will be nuclear armed and attack isreal which will retaliate. Other contries, christian and muslim, will force themselves into the conflagaration until all the is left is luxembourg....which will inherit the earth.
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IIRC a hamas leader in a wheel chair was taken out last year in a precision missle strike. He and his body guards were the only ones killed. How this compares to blowing up busses of school children I'll never know. In addition Israel isnt launching random rockets into palistinian territory.
You also have cases like that of Iman al-Hamas (That's her surname, nothing to do with the terrorist orginisation of the same name).
She was a 13 year old schoolgirl who got too close to an Israeli military checkpoint late last year. The soldiers shot at her, she ran away, one of the soldiers was giving a running commentary on the surveillance tape, which was leaked to the Israeli press.
The conversation between the company commander (Captain R), the watchtower on the scene, and the operations room:
Watchtower: "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward."
Operations room: "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?"
Watchtower: "A girl of about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death."
Watchtower: "I think that one of the positions took her out."
Captain R: "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."
Captain R.: "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over."
Note that she was shot for getting too close to an Israeli security post. There was an unmarked "kill zone" around the post, which the girl wandered into. She had not crossed any barrier such as a fence.
The Israeli army launched an investigation after the shooting, and claimed that the girl had been sent by terrorists to lure troops out of the bunker so they could be shot at. They concluded the killing was justified.
2 or 3 of the soldiers involved, who had an ongoing disciplinary dispute with their commander (Captain R), went to the press and told the actual story, which included the commander walking out of the bunker, standing over the girl, and shooting her several times at point blank range.
The IDF then launched a second inquiry, and have charged "Captain R" with illegal use of a weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer, violating rules of engagement and obstruction of justice.
He hasn't been charged with actually shooting girl, even though he has admitted doing so.
In the last 4 years, the Israeli army (and air force) has killed 204 children under the age of 13, and over 600 under the age of 18.
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Originally posted by storch
"they" are whom ever encourage others to strap explosives to themselves and detonate themselves in a crowd of other humans.
ahhh.... thats called politics isnt it ?
To convince other people to do something for you, w/o using brain.
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How many inquiries does Hamas have into its killings of Israeli civilians?
Killing a 10-year old who wanders (assuming that was the case here) into a kill zone is sickening, but deliberately blowing up a school bus or shooting a pregnant woman in the stomach is a far more heinous act as it is purely intended to kill the most innocent. If the 10-year old had not been in the kill zone she would still be alive. The same cannot be said of Israeli citizens who are attacked on Israeli soil.
The Israelis operate by rules for better or for worse, the anti-Israelis have no rules.
By the way, how did Israel come to occupy the Occupied territories? Did they invade?
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Originally posted by ra
By the way, how did Israel come to occupy the Occupied territories? Did they invade?
Did they stop with what they were given, or just kept taking more?
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Originally posted by ra
By the way, how did Israel come to occupy the Occupied territories? Did they invade?
If by occupied territories we mean West Bank and Gaza, the Israelis did invade the Egyptian territory of Gaza and the Jordanian territory of the West Bank in 1967.
The Golan Heights was taken from Syria in 1967 also, but does not seem to be in the mix when discussing Palestinian homeland.
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Originally posted by Yeager
I doubt the palistinians will ever reconcile with the jews. I suspect the jews will eventually force the palistinians into extinction by which time the larger arab/muslim world will be nuclear armed and attack isreal which will retaliate. Other contries, christian and muslim, will force themselves into the conflagaration until all the is left is luxembourg....which will inherit the earth.
Yeager; in few decades Israel will have more Arabs living inside its borders than Jews.
That will bring quite interesting questions: is Israel going to deny right to vote grom those citizens too or is it going to deport its minorities... Or is it going to accept the situation and start acting like a real democracy and not like an apartheid country like it's doing now.
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Originally posted by Staga
Yeager; in few decades Israel will have more Arabs living inside its borders than Jews.
That will bring quite interesting questions: is Israel going to deny right to vote from those citizens too...
Arab citizens of Isreal have the right to vote in Israel.
What citizens (of age) are denied the vote? Or did you not mean to put in 'too'
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As far as I know Arabs living in occupied zones aren't having rights to vote. Quite understandable but brings up a question: What is Israel going to do with occupied areas? They can't annex the areas but they also can't continue their Apartheid policy there for long...
btw...
6. Today there are about 1.2 million Arab citizens of Israel, almost 20% of the country's population. Their birthrate is roughly three times that of Jews. Arabs may thus become a majority in three or four decades. Some demographers predict that Arabs will comprise 35% of Israel's population by 2020. If so, Israel would cease to be a viable Jewish state and would become, de facto, a bi-national state.
All Israeli Arabs have to do is wait... And there is no more Jewish State but hopefully a Democratic republic. What I find funny is that it looks like some foreign countries aren't able to think farther than 4 years...
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Why should non-citizens not living in any country have a vote in whatever country the don't live in?
Are the Palestinians following a policy of Apartheid or did Israelis have a vote in the recent Palestinan elections? If they did what was the Tel Aviv exit polling for Abbas?
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"Holden"; I got bad news for you:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/18/181802.shtml
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I don't have a problem with changing demographics in the area, I just think that not allowing non citizens to vote in a place they don't live can be accurately characterized as Apartheid.
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For the record I'm just trying to point out that the Palistinians feel that they have a justified cause and until that issue is addressed in an unbiased way by us all in the rest of the world there will be no progress. It does the rest of the world no good to blindly back one side or other. Both commit atrocities every day and both believe they are justified. That is the root of the problem. Personaly I don't understand why anyone would want to fight an endless war. Life is too precious. Live and let live I say. End war, if you need a combat fix go online! Don't do it or advocate it for real. It is misery, brutalty and plain wrong 99% of the time pure and simple.
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For the record I'm just trying to point out that the Palistinians feel that they have a justified cause and until that issue is addressed in an unbiased way by us all in the rest of the world there will be no progress. It does the rest of the world no good to blindly back one side or other. Both commit atrocities every day and both believe they are justified. That is the root of the problem. Personaly I don't understand why anyone would want to fight an endless war. Life is too precious. Live and let live I say. End war, if you need a combat fix go online! Don't do it or advocate it for real. It is misery, brutalty and plain wrong 99% of the time pure and simple.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
i never claimed israel is a saint.
but when you look at the current situation, and then start going back the timeline to try and understand why things look like they do today.
you will reach the following conclusion (hopefully):
the current situation (israeli occupation of so called palestinian territory) is a result of a series of conflicts, in which the arabs where the provoking side and israel responded.
if the arabs didnt turned down the UN resolution on the forming of 2 countries israel would have looked like THIS (http://domino.un.org/maps/m0103_1b.gif)
OMG an INFORMED opinion?!?!?!
Cut that out Flyboy, you makin' the rest of us look bad.
Nobody wants to actually LEARN the history there, and/or understand what is going on. Much better to just watch 10second CNN blurbs so they know what they are supposed to think.
Geeez....next thing you gonna tell me is that there is no such thing as a "Palastenian", they are not a "Race", and were pretty much "invented" in the late 60's.
Or even that the Israeli's (read:Jews, their most hated foe's), being willing to give the Palastinians land, is more than any other Arab country is willing to do, or would do. Now THAT would be nuts. Or even some crazy fact, like 80% of the money that the Palestinian govt. get's is from "western" countries.
heh, flyboy, you crazy kid, always with da' jokes......
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Geeez....next thing you gonna tell me is that there is no such thing as a "Palastenian", they are not a "Race", and were pretty much "invented" in the late 60's.
I don't think Flyboy will tell you that, because as you say, he knows something about the situation.
there is no such thing as a "Palastenian"
No, but there are Palestinians. They are the people who live in West Bank and Gaza, and take their name from the fact that those areas used to be called "Palestine".
They aren't Egyptian, because they don't come from Egypt, and don't have Egyptian citizenship. They aren't Jordanian, because they don't come from Jordan, and don't have Jordanian citizenship. They aren't Lebanese, because they don't come from Lebanon and don't have Lebanese citizenship. And they aren't Israeli, because they don't come from Israel and don't have Israeli citizenship.
they are not a "Race",
Of course they aren't a race, any more than Americans, Poles, British, French, Canadians, Mexicans, Germans, Italians or Israelis are a race.
and were pretty much "invented" in the late 60's.
That's an awful lot of test tube babies.
At partition in 1948, there were about 1.2 million Arabs and 600,000 Jews in Palestine.
The first proper census of the are in modern times was taken by the British in 1922, which showed a population of about 650,000 Arabs, 84,000 Jews in Palestine.
Or even that the Israeli's (read:Jews, their most hated foe's), being willing to give the Palastinians land,
Give the Palestinians land? The current issue is that Israel won't withdraw from the land they are occupying. No other country can "give" this land to the Palestinians because it's Israel occupying it.
Or even some crazy fact, like 80% of the money that the Palestinian govt. get's is from "western" countries.
No, 50% comes from taxes levied on the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. Of the rest, as of the end of 2003, the EU had donated $280 million, Arab states $880 million and the rest of the world around $110 million.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I don't have a problem with changing demographics in the area, I just think that not allowing non citizens to vote in a place they don't live can be accurately characterized as Apartheid.
hmm I thought those people were living in that area of Palestine Israel is occupying.
Are you saying those people shouldn't be there but should be deported from their homes?
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i say we transfer all the arabs to finnland.
that way they could enjoy a true democracy.
btw staga, how many arabs\muslims are there in finnland?
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Originally posted by Nashwan
Give the Palestinians land? The current issue is that Israel won't withdraw from the land they are occupying. No other country can "give" this land to the Palestinians because it's Israel occupying it.
did you know that at camp david israel offered the palestinians more then 90% of the occupied territories. (90% !!!!!) including parts of jerusalem.
and what the palestinians said? well i bet you acn guess it out
No, 50% comes from taxes levied on the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. Of the rest, as of the end of 2003, the EU had donated $280 million, Arab states $880 million and the rest of the world around $110 million.
israel supply them electricity running water and food.
much more importent them money.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
i say we transfer all the arabs to finnland.
that way they could enjoy a true democracy.
btw staga, how many arabs\muslims are there in finnland?
I don't know nor do I care; I don't have problems with them. Muslims I've been working with are really decent, hard working guys and we have had fun at the work and especially at few cruises to Estonia.
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Originally posted by Staga
I don't know nor do I care; I don't have problems with them. Muslims I've been working with are really decent, hard working guys and we have had fun at the work and especially at few cruises to Estonia.
I agree with that statement. We use an outfit here for our security camera work and they are all Israeli Arabs. They are hard working and very innovative in their approach to solving sometimes challenging installations. That has nothing to do with the situation in Israel. That might be because we all must work to do well in a free enterprise system. The fact is there are no "Palestinians" and there is no "Palestine". There is however a small middle eastern country named Isreal which is populated by people of european and semitic ancestry both jewish and muslim. There is a sector of the population in the middle east, europe and the media in the United States that has a problem accepting that fact.
why are some of you so dense? :D
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Flyboy; Israels offer in Camp Davis was a joke and had nothing to do with reality.
1. Palestinian Statehood and Conditions
* The state would not have an army with heavy weapons,
* The state would not make alliances with other countries without Israeli approval and would not allow introduction of foreign forces west of the River Jordan.
* Israel would be allowed deploy troops in the Jordan Valley if Israel were to be threatened by invasion from the east.
* Israeli aircraft could overfly Palestinian airspace.
* Israeli would install early warning stations in the mountains overlooking the Jordan valley and other areas.
* Palestinians would control border crossings with Jordan and Egypt along with Israeli security observation.
* The Israelis would retain management over water sources in the West Bank while approving a limited quota to the Palestinians.
* Israel would lease areas in the Jordan Valley or maintain temporary sovereignty over them for up to 25 years.
http://www.mideastweb.org/campdavid2.htm
Flyboy; You and your childrens will have to live side by side with Arabs and most likely a Jewish state will cease to exist and your country transforms to a real democracy.
What do you think about that?
Wouldn't it be wise to think little farther; there's always possibility that Arabs won't be as nice to you as blacks were to boers in Southern Africa ?
Oh Israels offer in Camp David also contained "homelands" for Palestinians; surrounded by Israeli military checkpoints and connected to each other with narrow "corridors". JUst like in Southern Africa in the times of Apartheid. That system collapsed and same will happen in Israel sooner or later; it's up to you how to handle the situation.
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About racism in Israel:
Racist legislation
In the summer of 2003, the Knesset promulgated a disgraceful law. The amendment to the Citizenship Law applied a sweeping prevention of unification of families and marriages between Israeli Arabs and Arabs from the region. Since the law was passed by the votes of 53 MKs - including Shinui - there has been a total halt to any requests by Israeli Arab citizens, including those who were already married and had children, to enable them to live in Israel with their relatives.
In effect, the state left its Arab citizens only one choice: to live in another country with their non-Israeli spouses. The amendment institutionalized discrimination against Arabs compared to any other non-Jewish citizen. Since it was passed, Israeli citizens could marry any non-Jew in the world and live with them in Israel, but if they married Arabs "from the region," they could not live as a family in Israel.
In the summer of 2004 the government extended the temporary amendment by six months, and this week a memo went out from the Interior Ministry ahead of a further extension. Since there have been petitions to the High Court of Justice against the law in the meantime, and the court has already hinted it will intervene if the law is extended again, the government is now trying to make the law a little more flexible to prevent the court from intervening.
According to a new, "easier" formula, a man over the age of 35 or a woman over the age of 25, already married to an Israeli, can get a permit to stay in the country for six months. The underlying assumption apparently is that people who must extend their stay in Israel every six months, and whom the law denies citizenship even if they are model residents of the country, will prefer to live elsewhere.
Once again, the government is trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the High Court, announcing that the validity of the amendment is for another year, on the assumption that the court will avoid intervening in a temporary law.
For its part, the court indeed could postpone its intervention for another year even though it convened as an extraordinary 13-member panel to consider the petitions against the law and expressed unhappiness with its content.
Before looking to the High Court to solve all problems, the challenge of annulling the racist law must be placed before two ministers with liberal outlooks: Ophir Pines-Paz in the Interior Ministry and Tzipi Livni in the Justice Ministry, the two ministries directly responsible for the legislation. Their predecessors, Yosef Lapid and Avraham Poraz, turned their backs on their liberal world views and caved in to the Shin Bet recommendations that were behind the legislation.
It should be hoped that it's not only up to the Shin Bet to decide who will fall in love with Israeli citizens and with whom Israeli citizens will be allowed to marry and start a household. The Citizenship Law in its old form allowed the state to examine closely every immigrant and anyone who wanted to settle here. The gradual naturalization process enabled the state to grant status over the course of years of temporary visitor, temporary resident and permanent resident until it granted citizenship status, and to examine each potential immigrant from every possible angle - health, criminal, security and economic - and the law allowed the state to reject requests for citizenship on a variety of grounds. The citizenship tests for non-Jews were always strict, but the new law cancels all the tests and prefers a sweeping, disproportional denial of citizenship to Arabs from outside the country. Such legal discrimination must not be allowed to continue.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/528450.html
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Oh I forgot; There's no racism, segregation or apartheid in Israel.
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Staga, there is racism in every society.
Apartheid however is a special case. Apartheid had a prohibition of mixed marriage. The Immorality act made it a criminal offense to have mixed race sex. The Reservation of Separate Amenities act was like the Jim Crow laws in the US south where blacks had to drink from different fountains than whites. The Bantu Act suppressed the level of education blacks could obtain.
20% of the vote in Israel is Arab/Muslim. They have representation in the Kinneset, and by your admission, their political power grows with their population. Blacks essentially could not vote under Apartheid, no matter where they lived, as their parties were banned. Arabs have citizenship, they can eat in a restaurant next to Jews, share public transportation, go to college, etc.
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State of Israel is practising racism very openly; just like South Africa was doing earlier.
I can't wait to see that system collapsing; I just hope something good will rise from the ruins.
Funny thing is US is shouting about democracy and free world but at the same time supports racism by using its vetoes in UN's SC.
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Originally posted by Staga
State of Israel is practising racism very openly; just like South Africa was doing earlier.
I can't wait to see that system collapsing; I just hope something good will rise from the ruins.
Funny thing is US is shouting about democracy and free world but at the same time supports racism by using its vetoes in UN's SC.
In few words please explain how you feel Isreal is practicing racism.
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Originally posted by Yeager
...until all the is left is luxembourg....which will inherit the earth.
YAY! All your bases are belong to ME! :D
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Uninformed question to Flyboy: If Israel was given to the Israeliites this century... when/why did they leave it in the 1st place?
Not trolling, genuine question, as i don't have a clue on the matter.
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Which side of this conflict just committed 2 seperate acts of violence in the past few days?
Which side is showing restraint by not retaliating?
The MILITANT palestinians do not want peace with Israel.
They just proved that to me with a suicide bombing during a time when then new Pal Prime Minister is negotiating to end the conflict.
Face it. The Militant Islamic Groups like Hamas do not want peace.
Mainstream Palestinians do.
Its time they started standing up and eliminating these groups without Israel intervening.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
This man had a successful option.
(http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/Gandhi-Seven-Deadly-Sins.jpg)
That man had a successful diet!
Great infomercial product......
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Originally posted by Staga
State of Israel is practising racism very openly; just like South Africa was doing earlier.
I can't wait to see that system collapsing; I just hope something good will rise from the ruins.
Funny thing is US is shouting about democracy and free world but at the same time supports racism by using its vetoes in UN's SC.
Why do you guys bother trying to argue with this kind of crap? He obviously cant allow himself to believe anything that upsets his ideas of how the world works. Something, at some point, has inflamed his views on this issue, and he cant see whats really happening. Ignoring him and refusing to respond to the garbage he puts out is the best response you can give it.
My cousin is a part-time resident and I know three Arabs who left the area for the US to get their families out of the danger zone. They have no problem with Israel, but they understand how easy it is in that kind of atmosphere for mistakes to happen and the wrong people to be targeted by their soldiers.