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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: mechanic on January 19, 2005, 07:31:59 AM
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this is probably the most gamey thing i have come up with, but imagine perfecting this and actually being able to hit people. it is a 'move' (lose term) designed to clear a guy off your six. within 1 1/2 seconds turning 180 degrees and shooting him
would be a step up from WT's reversal move, and would put levi in his place cos even on your six he isnt safe :lol
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/files/new_trix.ahf
the first one is sloppy,none are perfect. the internal view one is the best, or maybe the last one.
If it was pulled off it would be incredible and hugely amusing.
better still, imagine the whines!! wow.
watch it (only a tiny .ahf file, seconds to d/l) and tell me how stupid i am.
S!
Bat
edit: oh, but dont try it with less than 500ft under you :D
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Can we have a movie file? Don;t have AH at work :D
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Originally posted by dedalos
Can we have a movie file? Don;t have AH at work :D
And your boss probably wishes you were working instead of reading the AH BBS...LOL....So get your arse back to work. :)
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I've didn't watch the film, but a while back someone showed me this "tailslide" thing.. you could literally swing the tail around and shoot someone right behind you as you stalled. This is horizontally, not vertically.
I've since forgotten exactly how it was done, it was pretty neat though. Worked really well in the A6M's.
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
And your boss probably wishes you were working instead of reading the AH BBS...LOL....So get your arse back to work. :)
Shhhhhh, don't tell any one, but, I am the boss
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That move could be a nasty suprise... Also looks like a good way to have someone overshoot.
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Originally posted by Urchin
I've didn't watch the film, but a while back someone showed me this "tailslide" thing.. you could literally swing the tail around and shoot someone right behind you as you stalled. This is horizontally, not vertically.
I've since forgotten exactly how it was done, it was pretty neat though. Worked really well in the A6M's.
yep, that was me. Start a shallow turn left or right.. Then abruptly apply rudder in the direction you are turning, and aileron in the opposite direction.
It will stall you in mid-air and make you turn around in a circle. Once you get the hang of it, you can sometimes take a shot or two as they pass you.
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man - I though this was going to be the film of the planes you're chasing doing 300 holding steady distance at 1k - then their icon range starts going d800....d600...d400.....till you end up in a HO merge with a plane that you've been chasing that never turned...
oh well - cool trick :)
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i have no idea what you mean waffle, but im curious to find out....any chance you find that film post it :)
try this one out for yourself anyone.
SpitV, 50% fuel.
fly level at 220mph, a very slight climb, then hard right rudder, hard left aileron and hard back on the stick all together and very sharp.
as you spin past 100 degrees, hit full left rudder whilst keeping the ailerons the same and putting elevs in neutral possition. this should bring your nose round to 180degrees behind you. then spray and pray :)
after this, commence standard spin recovery. if you are good you can return to level flight losing very little E or altitude. (very gamey, sure its not possible in RL)
if you get it right the total time from level flight-180 turn-level flight can be as little as 3-4 seconds.
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I think me and Estes, or Urchin.. We were trying to perfect this move a few times in the DA, i even gave it a name at the time :D .. This was back in AH1, and the move itself could be used as an advantage, except it would slow you down immensely, but in the advantage aspect, it can help and it CAN work if done right..
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ManeTMP is the master of this move, he has gotten a snapshot on me several times doing this. It's really gamey, this is an exploit of an imperfect flight model, there is virtually no E-loss doing this, which is rediculous.
Zazen
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there is virtually no E-loss doing this, which is rediculous.
Watch his speed drop in that film. What you are seening is in essence a lambshavoc.
HiTech
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First time he kicked it over he was going forward at roughly 220 and then he's looking the other way.
Gotta believe the strain on the pilot would be incredible if it was possible at all.
Seemed a bit wierd.
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by hitech
Watch his speed drop in that film. What you are seening is in essence a lambshavoc.
HiTech
Yea, I see the speed drop, but notice next to know altitude is lost and the speed drop is small and only as a result of the full rudder/aileron kick. The 360 degree stall spin itself doesn't seem to effect his speed or altitude to any significant degree...I'll try to film ManeTMP when he does it, he does it better than this guy, there's virtually no E-loss the way he does it. It looks alot like the stick-stir floppy-fish (tm) warp when done really well, except the guy always ends up on your 6 with his E intact firing away.
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It is kind of hard to describe what our "old" move looked like... it was almost like the guy stopped in midair and rotated.
I'll watch this film, my curiosity is piqued, especially from Zazen's whining about it.
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Originally posted by Zazen13
Yea, I see the speed drop, but notice next to know altitude is lost and the speed drop is small and only as a result of the full rudder/aileron kick. The 360 degree stall spin itself doesn't seem to effect his speed or altitude to any significant degree...I'll try to film ManeTMP when he does it, he does it better than this guy, there's virtually no E-loss the way he does it. It looks alot like the stick-stir floppy-fish (tm) warp when done really well, except the guy always ends up on your 6 with his E intact firing away.
Just watch for the rudder slip and you can avoid it. Oh, and if you watch a film of Mane doing this, you will see his speed drop as a result and he hardly has his E intact after the maneuver. He's just got really good timing when he does it and catches many unaware.
ack-ack
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whoa thats awesome:(
Could ruin the game play down the road if more people start doing it.:rolleyes:
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lol, you think i ever shot anyone down, or really even needed to try it in a fight yet?
kinda last ditch/im gunna die unless if you havnt got it mastered to a tee. which i really have not.
hey Zazen you putz, that 'other guy' is batfink.
the one who always bombs your flack pansie
...or tries to before you hit the tower :p
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Sheesh, I thought this was bound to be about the 38.
That'll fly in reverse, hover, spin like a top, then nose her down release flaps and presto, you got E.
I remember Wld's move. I haven't watched the film, too lazy to download it. But Wlds was nice and I utilize it every now and again when the time comes and the need arises. If anything is a sure over shot tactic. But if you can make a nice quick shot and your timing is right you can gettem while your in the manuver.
Btw, if you really want to start to get tricky, take a 38 and start cutting out 1 engine at the top of a zoom climb. With a touch of rudder you can spin that thing around and be shooting before the guy on your 6 ever knows whats going on. This can also be done in a shallow climb where speeds are slow. Doesnt nesesaryly have to be in the vert.
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Originally posted by streetstang
Sheesh, I thought this was bound to be about the 38.
That'll fly in reverse, hover, spin like a top, then nose her down release flaps and presto, you got E.
I remember Wld's move. I haven't watched the film, too lazy to download it. But Wlds was nice and I utilize it every now and again when the time comes and the need arises. If anything is a sure over shot tactic. But if you can make a nice quick shot and your timing is right you can gettem while your in the manuver.
Btw, if you really want to start to get tricky, take a 38 and start cutting out 1 engine at the top of a zoom climb. With a touch of rudder you can spin that thing around and be shooting before the guy on your 6 ever knows whats going on. This can also be done in a shallow climb where speeds are slow. Doesnt nesesaryly have to be in the vert.
That 38 move at least has some basis in reality. Seem to recall Erv Ethell, 14th FG P38 Vet describe that exact move.
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by Guppy35
That 38 move at least has some basis in reality. Seem to recall Erv Ethell, 14th FG P38 Vet describe that exact move.
Dan/Slack
His son talks about that maneuver in the P-38 video he made.
ack-ack
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Yea, that is pretty close to what we were doing a while back in AH1.
The tail seems to just slide around, like driving a rear wheel drive car on snow or something. That is the closest I could come to describing it anyway.
I wouldn't think it would have much use in combat, but it is neat to look at.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Just watch for the rudder slip and you can avoid it. Oh, and if you watch a film of Mane doing this, you will see his speed drop as a result and he hardly has his E intact after the maneuver. He's just got really good timing when he does it and catches many unaware.
ack-ack
Well, I don't have film of him doing this, but I've made a high speed pass at him (300+), he does this move and stays 600 off my six for an extended period, firing away. If he is losing E, it isn't very much. I agree he has great timing, I am wise to this move now, but the first few times he did it I was sure I had room to shallow climb and loop over for another pass, obviously I would be wrong. Even going in with an obvious E advantage this move retains so much E, he had a full 3 to 5 second window to snapshot me on the way by D400-600.
I will try to get a film, or maybe he can provide one for the discussion.
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Originally posted by streetstang
Sheesh, I thought this was bound to be about the 38.
That'll fly in reverse, hover, spin like a top, then nose her down release flaps and presto, you got E.
I remember Wld's move. I haven't watched the film, too lazy to download it. But Wlds was nice and I utilize it every now and again when the time comes and the need arises. If anything is a sure over shot tactic. But if you can make a nice quick shot and your timing is right you can gettem while your in the manuver.
Btw, if you really want to start to get tricky, take a 38 and start cutting out 1 engine at the top of a zoom climb. With a touch of rudder you can spin that thing around and be shooting before the guy on your 6 ever knows whats going on. This can also be done in a shallow climb where speeds are slow. Doesnt nesesaryly have to be in the vert.
Yea, kinda like a vertical hammerhead, the P47 does this at the top of a zoom climb really nice if you put out a bunch of flap and kick rudder, it'll instantly nose over with control, pull flaps back in and accelerate quickly onto the guy with gravity assist on your side.
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Yup, that big old heavy nose likes to be pointed down.
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fw's P47's and even typhoons and stangs can be very good at it.
most of them succesfully pilots are just very good shots.
coz when they miss they are death meat.