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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Raider179 on January 20, 2005, 02:11:10 PM
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HTC please do something to fix this issue. This is extremely frustrating thing to see.
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Please ???
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I still believe "Stick steering" is just lag. Certain planes roll so fast but the net connection isn't fast enough so on your end it looks like the guy is flopping around yet on his he is turning smooth. That's my guess because why would you "stir" ,that would create drag and slow you down.
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As far as I know HTC already addressed this problem by including the 'don't move your stick so fast' message and freeze-up of controls for 10 seconds.
So if you see wild jumping the other guy is just doing evasives the best he can and either one of you is having a bad connection at the moment.
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you'd be wrong sunking
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
As far as I know HTC already addressed this problem by including the 'don't move your stick so fast' message and freeze-up of controls for 10 seconds.
So if you see wild jumping the other guy is just doing evasives the best he can and either one of you is having a bad connection at the moment.
If its just bad connection then why can people force it to happen.
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Sometimes standard acm will cause that due to a bad connection.
Of course there will always be people who'll try everything possible to gain an unfair advantage. Maybe they start downloading a linux distro once you get on their 6? :D
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Its a bad connection that aplies to 190s for the most part and only when they are in shooting range.
The net is fast, do you know how mach data you can push with a 20ms ping on DSL? However, there is lag (processing time) on the front end, and the server. Things have to process. I am afraid the only fix is to pork the 190 (the only one that flops all over the place) and that would not be right either. I can get a gun solution on most other planes trying it cause it is not as bad.
I would love to have it fixed and maybe HT could come up with something for it, but I am afraid we just have to leave with it.
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Just for one second Dedalos, stop. Go and do a search of all your posts. Read through them and what do they have in common?
You have a strong tendency to use the terms "most, all, only, always", etc, when talking about problems you see. You generalize, and then say it "always" happens, or "only with plane X", or "most of the time it's...". You also have a tendency to use phrases like "Well 90% of the time........." Ok, you have a percentage? Prove it. Where's your material? Show your work, as my instructors used to say. You dont provide hard data. You dont even provide theories. You just provide complaints of issues you have no clue as to the true cause of. You arent alone, and I'm not trying to be hurtful or attack you personally. But your experience, and your views, are not universally applied to everyone automatically.
I've had the controls frozen in planes I'm flying, and gotten the "dont move your controls so fast" message when I'm flying level and pull up into a 3g loop or immelman. Ive also seen buffs flying low over a base that flop around like a fish out of water, but only one or two of the formation. So buff drones stick stir too? I dont have access to films at the moment, but if you'd like I can dig through mine and find you some examples. There may be people out there who have learned enough about the way net lag and the HTC system in specific work to fool it and make their representation in the game act erratically and become almost impossible to hit. If so, film it and send it to HTC. If you can prove "stick stirring" then its probably considered cheating and HTC would take care of it. At least that would be the constructive thing to do. HTC has no more control over the internet and what people's connection issues are than you do.
Again, this is not meant to be taken personally. I hope you will take it in the constructive manner in which it is intended. Thanks.
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It was a spit and it was a blatant stick stir.
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Dude, seriously. Prove it, dont whine about it. If you send HTC proof of cheating, they take it seriously and the person will be dealt with.
You have no idea whether it was intentional or not, and you dont have proof or you wouldnt be here posting about it.
You can either believe me, do something constructive and feel good about yourself; or you can keep posting this BS, get angrier and angrier when no one official responds and you cant understand why, and eventually get yourself on somebody's bad side. Your choice.
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1st off dude lmao I never said it was a cheat. Its an exploit that is why it is posted in this forum....
2nd I believe it was intentional because it occured 2x in about 45 secs, one being way more severe than the other.
3rd I do have the film.
4th I do not care what you say/think If you read my 1st post it says HTC not StarofAfrica2.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Just for one second Dedalos, stop. Go and do a search of all your posts. Read through them and what do they have in common?
You have a strong tendency to use the terms "most, all, only, always", etc, when talking about problems you see. You generalize, and then say it "always" happens, or "only with plane X", or "most of the time it's...". You also have a tendency to use phrases like "Well 90% of the time........." Ok, you have a percentage? Prove it. Where's your material? Show your work, as my instructors used to say. You dont provide hard data. You dont even provide theories. You just provide complaints of issues you have no clue as to the true cause of. You arent alone, and I'm not trying to be hurtful or attack you personally. But your experience, and your views, are not universally applied to everyone automatically.
Why yes I do use these terms. Like MOST of the time you are safe in puffy ack if you don't turn, or stick stirng can be seen 90% of the time done by a 190, or 190s will MOST of the time HO and run. But you know what? It is true. In my eyes at list. As far as providing theories without having a clue or any material to prove percentages all I can say is "?????". Do you want me to post 100, 200, 1000 films to prove something I don't care to prove? It is not cheating so I don't see why I should sent them to HT but imagine if I did sent them an email everytime someone was stikcstiring. (if you want give me your email I will sent you 2 films from last night a 51 and a spit, see for your self). As far as having no clue about what the problem is well what can I say. I've been creating trading systems for about 10 years and have been working for two different exchanges on electronic trading. I think I have a clue about "net lag". By the way, my post was diffending HT not attacking them.
I've had the controls frozen in planes I'm flying, and gotten the "dont move your controls so fast" message when I'm flying level and pull up into a 3g loop or immelman. Ive also seen buffs flying low over a base that flop around like a fish out of water, but only one or two of the formation. So buff drones stick stir too? I dont have access to films at the moment, but if you'd like I can dig through mine and find you some examples. There may be people out there who have learned enough about the way net lag and the HTC system in specific work to fool it and make their representation in the game act erratically and become almost impossible to hit. If so, film it and send it to HTC. If you can prove "stick stirring" then its probably considered cheating and HTC would take care of it. At least that would be the constructive thing to do. HTC has no more control over the internet and what people's connection issues are than you do.
Again, this is not meant to be taken personally. I hope you will take it in the constructive manner in which it is intended. Thanks.
So????? why do I have to prove anything to you? Stick stiring is not new. Does not need to be proven. It is very easy to see. You say this is not to be taken peronally but you seem to have discredit everything I have ever said in any post. Where is your data that prove it does not happen? Just because a buff was warping it means 190s are not good at it? I would love to take this in a contructive maner but all I see critisism because you thought I was attacking HT. Again, I was defending them.
By the way, "Net Lag" does not explain everything in life.
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There is no "most" or "always"
I've seen a great deal of different planes doing the stick stirring flipflop.
F-4's, F6's, FM2's, Hurricanes, Spits, And most recently a La7.
Just cut your throttle enough to stay behind them and blow em away
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cutting your throttle sometimes doesnt matter as they seem to be going one way and then poof they flip and all of sudden they are going the opposite direction.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
There is no "most" or "always"
I've seen a great deal of different planes doing the stick stirring flipflop.
F-4's, F6's, FM2's, Hurricanes, Spits, And most recently a La7.
Just cut your throttle enough to stay behind them and blow em away
OK OK OK, I am just saying that 190s are the best tool for it. I had a spit and a 51 do it last night but chances are a slow spit will put up a fight and kill you. A slow 190 on the deck with you D600 or d400 on his 6 is not mach of a threat.
Cut your throtle enough and his friend is going to get you.
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Originally posted by Raider179
cutting your throttle sometimes doesnt matter as they seem to be going one way and then poof they flip and all of sudden they are going the opposite direction.
Thats why your cutting your throttle.
To stay behind them and pick your shots.
If your patient, and watch them carefully you will see that there will be brief moments when even when they flip and flop the center of the plane remains in the same place.
Also. They have to come out of it sometime.
All you really need to do is stay behind them:D
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Originally posted by dedalos
OK OK OK, I am just saying that 190s are the best tool for it. I had a spit and a 51 do it last night but chances are a slow spit will put up a fight and kill you. A slow 190 on the deck with you D600 or d400 on his 6 is not mach of a threat.
Cut your throtle enough and his friend is going to get you.
Like I said. all you really have to do is stay behind them.
Odds are if your that fixated on the flip flipping plane his friend is going to get you anyway:)
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yeah I know man but in anything over a 1 on 1 you cant be waiting around all slow for the stirrer to finish his move or his controls to lock, thats how you get picked off. I can usually beat a stick stirrer in a 1 on 1 but when its 2 or 3 or 5 or 6 then it becomes a problem. The main reason I made this post is just reiterate the problem still exists to HTC.
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I know that this is possible in AH.
I was in a Spit 14 chasing a Tempest in a furious battle.
I had hit him very hard, but whne I finally had him at 30 meter - 80 meters range, he did this bounce the place all over the place move, then broke away.
He did it a SECOND time, when I had him pegged shortly after.
ie, Normal manouvers until I KNEW he was mine, ready for the kill shot, then a super bounce movement up down, left right all over the place (within a sphere of about 2-3 wingspans).
In other words, the pilot knew how to force the AH software to bounce him all over the place.
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Originally posted by brendo
In other words, the pilot knew how to force the AH software to bounce him all over the place.
And you know this, I assume, because you are either psychic or he admitted it?
Bah.
Whether it exists or not, you dont KNOW squat. You are assuming. Guessing. Whatever other word you would like to use in place of it. You have no idea if your statement is true or not, its a feeling you have. Its your opinion. Its very simple, its black and white here. Something is either a FACT, which means there is proof, or it is an OPINION. For all you know that guy was just trying desperately to get out of your gunsights, and lag either on your end or his made his plane make violent movements that couldnt be registered fast enough to be shown as they actually happened.
Originally posted by Dedalos
So????? why do I have to prove anything to you? Stick stiring is not new. Does not need to be proven. It is very easy to see. You say this is not to be taken peronally but you seem to have discredit everything I have ever said in any post. Where is your data that prove it does not happen? Just because a buff was warping it means 190s are not good at it? I would love to take this in a contructive maner but all I see critisism because you thought I was attacking HT. Again, I was defending them.
By the way, "Net Lag" does not explain everything in life.
You dont have to prove a thing to me. And again, I apologize if it seems I was attacking you. Sometimes when I try to make a point I do not always express what I mean to say in the right tone. You seem to have this backwards though. You are the one claiming a problem, YOU are the one who must provide data the problem exists. What the problem truly is, has not been expressed. Not by you, not by HTC. Some folks choose to call it "stick stirring", and say its intentional. I dont believe that. And no, again, you dont have to prove a thing to me. Its my OPINION. Just like your statement is an OPINION. Its not a fact, and you cant provide any evidence to make it one. Unless you have a confession from someone who knows exactly what he is doing, and tells you so, I seriously doubt you are going to. My only intention is to point this out to you. And that it does no good to make posts that point fingers at other players.
Net lag doesnt explain everything in life. Hehe. Comon man, you can do better than that.
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SA2,
there are certian people that read these boards and say to them selves"hey I am going to try that / or start doing that" just by reading that people are snapping their plane into a viloent roll or flippity floppity way to make it cluster the packets/cause a lag issue and and warp or make someone on their 6 blow right by and they fall in right behind them.
this type of flying has grown like a contagious virus turning into an epidemic in the last 2 or 3 weeks in the MA .
post your address I will send you some films..........
I would think it is a safe bet that prob 1/3 of the in game flyers read these boards but only lurk, they never signed up / registered nor do they make any post here........then add to that flyers from other sims where this type of behavior is prob the norm and they come here and think there is no wrong in doing it, they actually think they are flying and OUTFLYING their opponent.
then their are the elustrious all mighty gamey gods of AH that do crap like this and praise themselves of being someone with a good rank.......
you can email me at tequilachaser(at)flyaceshigh(dot)com
and I'll reply with some films if you like
btw: last night in KOTH I saw 4 or 5 people try something like this but with the low alt most of them could not recover fast enough and augered..where as in the MA most times I run inot one of these cats it is above 10k alt...........the ones that practice this are the ones that recovery on the dime, the un intentional ones are the ones that usually auger.....that is my opinion
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You know, people are allowed to throttle back as you come in at 500 MPH from 20k feet...
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Late tonight and I need sleep. I will email you tomorrow TC, I'd appreciate the chance to see it up close.
IMO though, I see a big difference between someone who intentionally induces a spin, knowing proper recovery techniques, and uses it as ACM, and what they are calling "stick stirring". Acrobatic pilots induce spins and stalls all the time and come out with pinpoint precision. Just because WE dont see on our end what they are doing (because the lag makes the computers on each end confused by all the sudden changes in direction), doesnt mean it was invalid or cheating. What they are complaining about is someone who is TRYING to make the plane enter that flip-flopping and visually confusing movement in order to avoid being killed. I think there is also another group who is trying to avoid being killed, and just doesnt know the right moves so they try everything. This throws them into a spin and what we see is the flipping and flopping. I dont think its intentional. Since only the group that would be doing it intentionally could really be called "stick stirrers", how do you tell them apart? And do they really exist?
I'll be glad to watch the films. Maybe it will convince me. None of the ones I have seen so far convince me its more than an accident combined with lag to create akward visuals.
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I have been chasing ac that when performing jink evasives seems to start a "tumble" with the axis changing from the tip of the left elevator to the tip of the right wing to an axis thru the tip of the right elevator to the tip of the left wing.
I wonder if the pilot actually sees on his FE what the chaser sees?
Can someone perform one off line and film it for us to view here?
If this is not possible (to recreate and film off line) then I would consider that what we see when chasing another pilot has been "modified" by net/network phenomenum.
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SA, just because you have not seen it, it does not mean it does not happen. I offered you the films. Give your email and I will send them.
Again, I am not trying to prove anything and don;t care to either. In my opinion, nothing can be done about it. I was just being part of the conversation and as always, someone jumps in and starts talking about proving things and things don;t exist cause I have not seen them and where is the film and . . .
Stik stiring is not an opinion. Its a fact. I can show you how to do it in the DA if you like, just so you can get an idea of what we are talking about.
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I have had nme accuse me of "stick stirring" in my 109-f when all I did was an aileron roll with rudder added. As far as I know this is a fairly basic evasive maneuver. Your nme is not going to make slow, smooth turns that you can easily follow and lead your fire. If he does, he's an idiot.
Often when using manual trim in a hard evasive maneuver an aircraft will depart from controlled flight and flop around in an uncontrolled spin. This is not a desirable or premeditated move.
If you are fighting for control of your aircraft, you can't maneuver away from incoming fire.
The solution to an nme "stick stirring" is cut throttle and stay behind him. Having throttle to the firewall is not always the best thing. You set yourself up for the oldest trick in the book, the overshoot. You also can't get the maximum turning radius from your plane. Learn to manage your power and trim settings, you will be pleasantly surprised how much your k/d will improve.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
IMO though, I see a big difference between someone who intentionally induces a spin, knowing proper recovery techniques, and uses it as ACM, and what they are calling "stick stirring".
I agree with you, there are like 3 types of players that do this type stuff"
#1- ones doing it knowing what they are doing ( used to call it Spin Fighting )
#2- those that do it thinking they are actually outflying you
#3- those that do it because they have no idea what to do and are panicing
Just because WE dont see on our end what they are doing (because the lag makes the computers on each end confused by all the sudden changes in direction), doesnt mean it was invalid or cheating.
I never said it was invalid or it was cheating
What they are complaining about is someone who is TRYING to make the plane enter that flip-flopping and visually confusing movement in order to avoid being killed. I think there is also another group who is trying to avoid being killed, and just doesnt know the right moves so they try everything. This throws them into a spin and what we see is the flipping and flopping. I dont think its intentional. Since only the group that would be doing it intentionally could really be called "stick stirrers", how do you tell them apart? And do they really exist?
you can usually tell if they did it intentionally or not after you shoot them down and recognize the gameid, you have flown here long enough to know who is who. Stick Stirers really do exist, because they lack the desire of wanting to learn how to become better........ The newer flyers that unintentionally do this are just that new, some will come around and learn a better way, then again some will not and those that don't will always remain a Stick Stirer!
I am not saying evasive maneuvers are not at faught here, I myself probably pull some hairpin turns and snaps, but flying against people like Flyboy, Rawr, Shane, 102Jish, and others...you see them do some sharp evasive turns and they look ( in the game ) to be smooth fluid like maneuvers, not irratic like someone who flips / flops.. also stick scaling/setting can play a big factor, in causing some irratic motion of flight
I class them in the 3 categorys I listed above, the knowing that do it on purpose, the clueless that think they are actually doing it right, and the new guys that have not learned yet
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Actually, I fly my plane to the brink of control if I'm in trouble. If I don't have the stall horn blaring and the plane trying to spin, I'm slacking off.
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Alright. I suppose it seems I'm being stubborn. I probably am, it comes naturally to me. I guess its the fact that (in my mind) it would have to take some certian amount of skill to intentionally pull this off and still maintain control, if it is like it is being described to me. I'd like to think guys at that skill level would have more class than that. Really, I dont KNOW any more as a fact than any of you, so why am I arguing? Anyway, I hope the issue gets resolved to your satisfaction.
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I recently bounced a 109. He then proceded to tumble out of control. I cut throttle hit rudder then after he immediately regained control I shot him down. I then told him that stick stirring is gamey. After we argued for a second and I told him to learn to fly he admitted that if I wouldnt have bounced him he wouldnt have had to stick stir...... Interesting
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Originally posted by Raider179
you'd be wrong sunking
Well explain away or prove it... not just assume.
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SunKing,
you said:I still believe "Stick steering" is just lag. Certain planes roll so fast but the net connection isn't fast enough so on your end it looks like the guy is flopping around yet on his he is turning smooth. That's my guess
then when you qouted Raider179 you said:
Well explain away or prove it... not just assume.
LOL, isn't your guess in the first quote, "assuming"? :D joking with ya
anyways, you asked:
why would you "stir" ,that would create drag and slow you down.
people do it TO slow down(yet they just briefly pause inflight it seems, this being the lag issue I guess,then suddenly have all their E/speed back when they regain control) and make one overshoot, or they do it because they don't know any better, or because they actually think they are out flying people..........but most do it because they panic and react too abruptly when moving the joystick.
I can see it if someone is being bounced by 1 then 2,3,4,5 planes all chasing him down, he gets so many on him he can't make up his mind which direction to go LOL
SA,
some do have the skill to be gamey with this, and then again some don't
class, well the issue of people's class, respect etc.......is thrown around the same as this issue or the HO issue......some people are just different.
I just chimed in with things I have seen and see often. It does not bother me as it may some, It does not affect the way I enjoy the game, or how I fly and I basically get comical relief from seeing people try to do these things.
Like watching a flyer in the game repeatedly vulch and rev, vulch and rev, run from any co alt planes, dive thru planes at 5k alt when he is at 9k alt to dive to the deck run across the field, vulch ext.......then run home land his 2 or 3 kills, sometimes 20 kills LOL then says thank you from all the wtgs people give him on channel 2 or 200.....and even funnier to see these type flyers throw out to people they just vulch.......now that is some PURE funny BS
or even have 3 or 4 fighting 1 and they high 5 each other when they kill the 1 and they throw out a to him when they shoot him down......
all these type people mentioned in the latter of this post do not have 1 clue what class, respect, dignity or any other honored type word is or means.... and Aces High has these type of players on all sides ( all 3 countrys ) not 1 country is immuned from people of this nature.........
I do think the way some one grows up, is raised, or taught and their age & culture has alot to do with how they act amongst other people in the community though........
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It can be purposely caused to happen. You can go search for othe threads on the subject and find whatever proof you are looking for.
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It works because of lag and the movement of the plane is too fast for the game to keep up with fluently. In real life a stick stir would make you a big fat slow target and the first time you did it you wouldn't be around to do it anymore.
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Originally posted by rpm
I have had nme accuse me of "stick stirring" in my 109-f when all I did was an aileron roll with rudder added.
I once had a famous AH player (who I haven't seen in awhile, come to think of it) accuse me of stick-stirring when I was flying an A8. At the time it made me pretty mad, because it's one of those accusations that people tend to believe if you're in a FW, and only you know what you were really doing. What I was really doing was simply a series of quick alieron rolls in different directions, which is one of the things the FW is supposed to do well.
Reading this thread, though, it seems to me that what people are complaining of really is lag, which I see fairly frequently in others (now that I have a faster computer and a better connection!). The lag, of course, is more noticeable when you're close to someone than when you're far away. Certainly this is the first time I've ever heard of any plane besides the FW as even being capable of stick-stirring.
Hitech posted, in another thread and quite some time ago, that the stick stirring issue had long since been cured. I believe him.
- oldman
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If you want to prove that stick stirring is possible then do it off line, film it and link the film here...................
Its quite simple..................if you can make an ac do stuff it shouldna when your off line then HTC will want to fix it............
they cannot fix lag effects.............
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Originally posted by Oldman731
I once had a famous AH player (who I haven't seen in awhile, come to think of it) accuse me of stick-stirring when I was flying an A8. At the time it made me pretty mad, because it's one of those accusations that people tend to believe if you're in a FW, and only you know what you were really doing. What I was really doing was simply a series of quick alieron rolls in different directions, which is one of the things the FW is supposed to do well.
Reading this thread, though, it seems to me that what people are complaining of really is lag, which I see fairly frequently in others (now that I have a faster computer and a better connection!). The lag, of course, is more noticeable when you're close to someone than when you're far away. Certainly this is the first time I've ever heard of any plane besides the FW as even being capable of stick-stirring.
Hitech posted, in another thread and quite some time ago, that the stick stirring issue had long since been cured. I believe him.
- oldman
Thing is also alot of the flip flopping you see also is possible to do.
All you have to do is attend an airshow to see them performed regularly first hand.
I dont worry about stick stirring though. I either stay behind em till I get a shot or dis enguage because of other enemies in the area.
something else you can do also is just get a little alt.
they are pissing away both ALt and E when they do such manuvers. and eventually they do have to come out of it. When they do, you still have the advantage.
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There has got to be a way to fix it. I would say something like the "Dont move your controls to Quickly" but more sensitve to how stick stirring is done. Then controls lock and they auger. That would satisfy me but I would rather see stirring not being done at all.
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Yeah, lets make everyone fly like the offline drones so players with no skills can get a kill. Jeezus, learn some of that pilot s**t.
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Oh thats what it is, I have no idea how to fly. pfftt
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I don't know about the rest of you but I'm enjoying the hell out of this thread!:aok
asw
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Originally posted by Raider179
Oh thats what it is, I have no idea how to fly. pfftt
Took long enough, but he finally admits it! :D
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If you have never seen a stick stir then maybe it is because you have never made anyone resort to it. After all you gotta be on their six not running for home. But what do I know about how you fly anymore than what you know about how I do.
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Not to get in the middle of this, but can someone please explain to me exactly how a stick stir is done? Many times I have seen accusations of stick stirring made in the game but no one seems to be able to recreate themselves it on film i.e. recreate the same effect on your FE in your aircraft. If you do this consistantly, film it and send to Hitech it will be fixed.
DOnt want to do that ...
then may I suggest instead of jumping on 200 with the stick stirring accusations...just ask the guy to film a few dogfights and email to you. If the guys was just trying acm he will not have a problem doing this and we will all get to the bottom of this.
Acetnt
A once (and only once) accused stick stirrer..............!
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Telling how it is done does absolutely ZERO to help the problem.
Its not a cheat it is an exploit.
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Originally posted by Stang
It works because of lag and the movement of the plane is too fast for the game to keep up with fluently. In real life a stick stir would make you a big fat slow target and the first time you did it you wouldn't be around to do it anymore.
Good someone agrees with me. Raider179 and his condesending responses don't float. I see this "flopping" lag all the time but they are still easy kills.
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notice he said in real life sunking not in game. In game it gives you the ability to get someone off your six when you should be dead.
P.S. Condescending has a C in the middle
Tell me how to edit the names and vox and text off the film and someone host it. Then you can decide for yourself.
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Originally posted by Stang
"It works because of lag and the movement of the plane is too fast for the game to keep up with fluently."
Notice he's talking about the game.
Attacking spelling is always the last resort in a thread discussion.
*poof*
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Originally posted by SunKing
Originally posted by Stang
"It works because of lag and the movement of the plane is too fast for the game to keep up with fluently."
Notice he's talking about the game.
Attacking spelling is always the last resort in a thread discussion.
*poof*
I did see you left off the 2nd part of that quote but no matter. I wonder why some are so anti fixing this. Is it because your gonna lose your best move?
Bad spelling hurts my eyes especially when done with big words
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Originally posted by Raider179
I did see you left off the 2nd part of that quote but no matter. I wonder why some are so anti fixing this. Is it because your gonna lose your best move?
Bad spelling hurts my eyes especially when done with big words
Im not anti fixing it I just dont see it as all that much of a problem.
If Im on your 6 and you feel you have to resort to stick stirring Be my guest.
If you dont have friends around it just means Im gonna kill you. and I'f I dont get you its probably because Im laughing too hard at you to shoot straight
If you do have friends around I'll probably break off to meet the greater threat anyway. And I'f I dont and your friend gets me. Odds are its all my fault for being so preoccupied with you I wasnt paying attention to them
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It really pisses me off when the guy does it when you get like 500 off his 6 not because he saw you, but because he is a gamey fugg and turns his engine noise way down and other plane noises way up so he can slack on his SA and not have to worry about it by hearing you coming. No way in real life you'd hear a plane zooming in behind you over your own engine noise. Wish they would remove that gamey option...
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I've honestly never been beaten by a stick stirrer. If I really wanted to kill someone, I'll chop throttle and make sure I don't overshoot.
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Me neither. I just hate having to make 2 passes instead of one :aok
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One of the things I love... Well I find very amusing anyway
When they start stick stirring and you ping em anyway so they go back to normal flight usually trying to bank hard right or left cause they dont have the E anymore to go up. It amuses me because they way they do it you can almos sence they do it in a panic.
You can tell they just thought to themselves "oh watermelon that isnt going to work"
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I was in a 5 on 1 or a 6 on 2 when this happenned I was p.o'd because I got jumped right after this and got shot down. I would have liked to taken the bastion with me.
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I dont know much about this stick stir stuff. But, Some of these planes are so stable, I can't do anything even close to losing control. Its like there on a roller coaster track. One thing for sure, there is a few planes that seem to lose control real easy while tring to dodge bullets or turning abruptly or a check six while taking a drink of beer etc. , and then I find myself flopping around like a fish outa water. If someone is Losing Control on purpose as a defensive maneuver and a patient (dont even have to be good) pilot is on you, it really does not save you from dieing, just prolongs it for a second or two!
So it may not always be a ("stick stirrer") , might just be some poor sob freaking out, losing control, and then dieing 1 or 2 seconds later . Lag? I dont think so, because if im the one flopping in front of you, i'm flopping on my screen, and not wanting too! I Hate it, It screws up my whole plan when it happens, and usually when the ENY BS kicks in, thats when im in one of those planes that needs a Warning sticker on cockpit window. ((((( flying this plane can cause (fish outa water syndrom) and/or ( stick stirring acquisation syndrom) fly at your own risk!
Speaking of losing control, Its way worst in the training arena of all places. ALL TA planes seem to lose control really easy, so it seems to me. lmao! what that all about... :)