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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: soda72 on January 20, 2005, 07:44:12 PM
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The new G and J should be welcome additions for the CT..
What time frame were they mostly active?
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42-44 both in the pac, the eto and the med. a welcome addition :)
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I hope the model in ANY engine problems, oil problems, etc, for these planes that might have existed.
The current P38 is far too uber (but that might change if they EVER fix the overblown flaps system)
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Yeah, do that for the Ki 84, Ki 61 and N1K too:aok
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Originally posted by Krusty
I hope the model in ANY engine problems, oil problems, etc, for these planes that might have existed.
The current P38 is far too uber (but that might change if they EVER fix the overblown flaps system)
My guess is that no one will fly the early 38s. The P40 will probably be more fun in the CT.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Krusty
I hope the model in ANY engine problems, oil problems, etc, for these planes that might have existed.
The current P38 is far too uber (but that might change if they EVER fix the overblown flaps system)
Geez Krusty, just cause the Ki84 isn';t to your liking doesn't mean everything else is wrong :)
The L model in AH is the uber 38. It's the end of the line 38 that had the dive flaps, boosted controls, etc. It did all the things it was supposed to.
That we get the earlier G and pre J-25, J model, means it won't be as uber to you. No boosted controls, so the roll rate will be less. No dive flaps, so compressabilty will be an issue if not used right.
BUT! The real deal pilots were quite successful with the early 38s through the J15 well into the winter of 44-45.
I'd suggest some serious 38 research if you are going to make comments about all their troubles too. Lots of that is pure 8th AF politics as they were not complaining in the Med, Pac, Aleutians etc.
The MTO 38 groups were more then happy to go to England and ferry down the 8th AF 38 hand me downs. The 9th AF 38 groups had no objections to this either.
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by Oldman731
My guess is that no one will fly the early 38s. The P40 will probably be more fun in the CT.
- oldman
Nothing but G models for me til death do we part.......which will probably be often.....they dying that is :)
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by soda72
The new G and J should be welcome additions for the CT..
What time frame were they mostly active?
G models from 42 until mid 44. Some of the MTO groups like the 1st, 82nd and 14th operated Gs alongside early Js until May/June 44.
Replacement pilots coming from the states were shocked to see G models when they'd been flying the lates Js during their stateside training.
The Early J models were late 43 through the winter of 44-45. The 9th AF groups in particular used them in the ground attack role until the end of the war.
I've been reading the 370th FG history and it's amazing how many photos there are of OD and Gray J10s still going strong during the Bulge and afterwards.
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Nothing but G models for me til death do we part.......which will probably be often.....they dying that is :).
Dan/Slack
Heh. Welcome to the club of people who fly 202s and A6M2s and Hurri Is and P40Bs. The new 38 is going to be a challenge, and those who learn to fly it well will be the best.
- oldman
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cool,
Ok you CT staffers, what kind of planes setups do you plan on doing with these in the future???
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The new P-38s are a very good thing.
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woohoo just what we need a new allied plane!!!I was worried we might get another axis plane when we really don`t need one.wow what a relief.:rolleyes:
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Guppy: My engine comments are related to the P38, NOT the ki84.
I want it to suffer as certain parts in early 38s freeze up or whatever. They (early 38s) had engine reliability problems that's for sure. I'd like to see it modeled :)
"What? I'm NOT supposed to be above 25k? Oh CRAP just lost my #1!!!!"
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Soda: How's about 38Gs escorting B17s and Lancs vs 109G-2s/G6s and 190A5s?
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Originally posted by Krusty
Soda: How's about 38Gs escorting B17s and Lancs vs 109G-2s/G6s and 190A5s?
You'd have to go with a North Africa, Tunisia slant to get the 38Gs vs the Luftwaffe going since they all went to North Africa for Operation Torch.
They did escort 17s during that time. They ran into the 109s and the occasional 190
Dan/Slack
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My guess is that no one will fly the early 38s.
I sure will.
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Slash is a homo:D
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Who the hell is "tzr"?:rolleyes:
:D
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anyone have any idea when the we will be able to get them?
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There will be a game update in the near future and they will be released then. In the next few weeks most likely.
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two weeks
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.squelch soda72
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.squelch grits
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Originally posted by Krusty
I hope the model in ANY engine problems, oil problems, etc, for these planes that might have existed.
The current P38 is far too uber (but that might change if they EVER fix the overblown flaps system)
I thought HTC modeled flaps to accurate specific data sources they referenced
what is so uber about the P38 and what is overblown about the flap system?
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These new planes may just make me stop by the CT.
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Originally posted by sullie363
These new planes may just make me stop by the CT.
And there's the one that really nails the biggest benefit for us of having more planes early/late models.
This is where the CT will shine. And (IMHO) what has been hurting it. The CM's having to stretch years of operation for various models to try to balance an unbalanced planeset. Having to sub in planes that never flew in those TO's at all for the same reason. It gets old after awhile, and for new people looking for something different from the MA, its just too drastic a change with the sometimes VERY limited planesets.
Now someone can pop into a PTO setup and have a little more choice for a ride. On the US side anyway. If we get a Ki-43 and a Betty things will really start looking up for the Japs. The more planes we get to choose from and to fill in holes, the better the CT will perform and the more fun it will be. I'm not touching the modelling issues. But I am happy with the current trend, and I hope it continues.
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Exactly SA2.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I'm not touching the modelling issues. But I am happy with the current trend, and I hope it continues.
I will not return to the CT until the modelling issue is dealt with.
I have been flying allied for two weeks now and the imbalance is unbelievable. If you guys want the CT to thrive the balance in modelling is critical.
Unless the player is a "marquise" player then there is little he can do with with any axis plane since patch 5.
I will fly allied in the MA and not at all in the CT until those issues are resolved.
I think what will ultimately occur is that HTC will revert to the previous modelling and say "here it is it's fixed"
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My guess is that no one will fly the early 38s. The P40 will probably be more fun in the CT.
The P38 G will always outpeform the p40
and it turns with it easily
Guess what no fun??
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Heh. Welcome to the club of people who fly 202s and A6M2s and Hurri Is and P40Bs. The new 38 is going to be a challenge, and those who learn to fly it well will be the best.
Its an easy mode plane
:D
to me it is
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P38G all the way. Never gonna get me out of it no matter how much I die :)
It just feels right
Dan/Slack
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I've got a Battle of the Bismark Sea set up in mind for the 38G to play in.
Allies: P-38G, P-40E, A20G, B-17 and B-24 (limited bases)
IJ: A6M5, Ki-61, Kate, Val, Ki-67 (yes, more uber than the Betty, but Allied planes will at least be able to catch it).
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Originally posted by Sabre
I've got a Battle of the Bismark Sea set up in mind for the 38G to play in.
Allies: P-38G, P-40E, A20G, B-17 and B-24 (limited bases)
IJ: A6M5, Ki-61, Kate, Val, Ki-67 (yes, more uber than the Betty, but Allied planes will at least be able to catch it).
That's great!!!!!! er what can catch the A20G? :D what can shoot down the B17 or the B24? :D None of those setups will play well unless there is a broad expansion of the IJ aircraft. This is exactly where the gap in the line up becomes glaringly noticable.
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I think both of the new 38s are going to be pretty low useage in the MA once the novalty wears off. The 38G does turn well, yes, but it doesn't turn as well as a spitV, nor does it climb as well. The PJ is a decent plane, but really suffers from stability problems when stacked up against the 38L. The slight bit of extra speed and turn will keep people trying it, but ultimately it's weaker in the areas the 38 most accells in, giving it less of an edge.It's much the same as the relationship between the 51D and the 51B, but in this case the advantages of the late war plane actually make it more fun to fly.
-pellik
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Originally posted by pellik
I think both of the new 38s are going to be pretty low useage in the MA once the novalty wears off. The 38G does turn well, yes, but it doesn't turn as well as a spitV, nor does it climb as well. The PJ is a decent plane, but really suffers from stability problems when stacked up against the 38L. The slight bit of extra speed and turn will keep people trying it, but ultimately it's weaker in the areas the 38 most accells in, giving it less of an edge.It's much the same as the relationship between the 51D and the 51B, but in this case the advantages of the late war plane actually make it more fun to fly.
-pellik
You may be right about their use in the MA. In the CT they are a very welcome addition despite the fact that I will never fly any of them.
HTC is on the right track here. They need to flesh out the early-mid war inventory considerably, only then will TOD and the CT be able to attain higher levels of participation.
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Pellik you obviously made it too the 5:00 Free Crack Giveaway.
Guppy,you and i are on the same page,i will never fly another plane but the G model.
You should see my snap roll i perform in the G model.
I outclimb spit's ,A6m's,just about every other plane in there.
I Hammerhead Stall at 0-20 M.P.H.
There is no better plane!