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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Wotan on January 21, 2005, 02:47:05 AM
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I am not a big fan of US aircraft but I argued along with many others that more P-38 variants were just what this game needed.
A lot of folks take these threads to offer some ridiculous suggestions; planes that will add nothing to the game but the 'KeWl' factor.
Hopefully this thread will be focused more on what's needed rather then someones pet airplane.
2 things that immediately jump at me are:
1. P-39, hopefully a D an N and a Q.
This adds both a Pac plane for the US and RAAF but a VVS plane for the Eastern Front.
2. An early P-47, maybe a C or very early D.
If Tod is going to start in Western Europe then an earlier Jug is definitely needed.
Some other suggestions in no particular order:
Fix the Spit 9 in AH and make it a true Spitfire F.IX (no hard points or .50s) and add a Spit LF.IX (e).
This will give AH a later war Spit between the current 42 F.IX and the XIV.
One other thing I would suggest is renaming the Spit Vb to a Spit Vc and adding a true Spit Vb that is limited to 12lbs boost.
A6M3
Needed for some time now
Ki-43-II
IJAAF needs love as well.
Betty (Ki-67 is a whine magnet when used as a substitute))
B-25
Needed for Pac. (earlier P-38s, P-39, P-40s, B-24, Ki-43s, Ki-61s and a New Guinea map starts looking better and better)
Bf 109G-14, or G-14/AS
We need a 109 that fills the gap between the G-6 and the G-10/K-4
FW 190A-3
Along with the early Jug we need an earlier FW. The A-3 was de-rated and not as fast as the A-5.
I am not going to suggest to much on the Soviet side. So much is needed that I think it would be best to get the other stuff out of the way then take time and focus a couple of updates to soviet aircraft.
The easiest Soviet aircraft to do would be a Yak-9m; which can be converted from the 9T when ever they update the Yaks.
Pe-2
The B-25 can be used for the VVS but the Pe-2 would not only fill a gap it would get use in the main.
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I-16
LaGG
Yak-1
Pe-2
And the soviets are well off.
(With P-39)
for 1939 and 1940
He 111
Older Ju87?
Older 110?
D-520
PZL-11
Fokker
That should do the Blitzkrieg mostly.
The med:
early:
Baufighter
MC 200
late:(?)
Cant
Spitfire VIII (could replace one of the Mk IX's)
There are definately more...
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I'd like to see B-25 Glass/Gun Nose (it would be cool to pick which one we wanted) and A-26B.
I can't find the pictures of me doing runup and taxi tests in the A-26. I guess I am bias toward the Invader though :-D
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13 50's plus **** to hang off it - and personal first hand accounts of 400 + speed (atleast for the Vietnam A26K counter invador) - its hard not to blow a load thinking about it.
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13 50's plus **** to hang off it - and personal first hand accounts of 400 + speed (atleast for the Vietnam A26K counter invador) - its hard not to blow a load thinking about it.
:rofl
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P40 N.
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Would like to see some coversions of the models we have and missing equipment added.
Japan:
800kg bomb for the KATE
Germany:
37mm guns for the STUKA
Panzerblitz rockets for the FW-190F
Small bomb racks for ME-109G, Fw-190A-5 & Fw190A-8
Smoke shells for TIGER
USA:
D Model of the B-24 for early war.
F Model of the B-17 for early war.
Napalm tanks
UK:
Hook for the Hurri I & II to make a SeaHurri.
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Wotan has a pretty good list. I assume you want an earlier varient P-47 without the boost, since the current one already has the thin prop? It would be nice to see an earlier D razorback with the paddle blade as well.
Though I wonder. Even though the C's were in England for a while, weren't the pretty much a non issue? I believe they were used in ineffective fighter sweeps and saw virtually no action since the 8th didn't want to do the escort thing at the time and the Germans just ignored them for the most part. I just mention it because I wonder if you even need to add the early variants to TOD at all.
I would also add the I-16. Modern flight test pilots out of NZ have had the opinion that it is superior to the Hurricane they have flown there. In an early Eastern front time frame it should measure up well against the 109Es and be (somewhat) adequate against the Fs.
Charon
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I want em all!
I would think, as Wotan said, that the P39, and the Oscar (KI-43) are critical additions. Along with many others...
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With ToD 20,000 A.D. on the horizon, I can imagine more eto planes showing up, but since that's not my bag, I'll comment on the Pacific.
D4Y. Anyone who knows me at all could see this coming :)
A6M3. The biggest change from the 2 to the 3 is the gun package. The 3 has the same guns as the A6M5 If I recall correctly. This will be a huge benefit for the Japanese when combating the new P-38G.
Ki-43. While I think this is an important fighter, I don't really want to be the guy firing my entire clip into a P-38 just to watch it walk away at the end of the belt lol.
-Sik
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190-A4 and a P-39(any variant)
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I'm wondering WHY anybody wants a P39....
I recall there WAS one in WB. It sucked big time. Seeing as key members of HTC were working for WB at the time, chances are any data used on that P39 would be similar to what is used in AH.
Thus any P39 in AH would suck big time. It would never see any use except as a tank buster. And I'm sure a whopping 5% of the pilots in AH would appreciate it.
But actually, the Yak performs a helluva lot better and has the same gun. The IL2 has better tank busting guns and way better armor. The HurrIID flies WAY better and has even WAY better guns (x2).
So basically, for ground assault it would be superfluous, and for air combat it was be wholly intolerably obsolete.
How many c.202s you see in the MA these days folks? I thought so. P39 would be about the same.
As for what I think this game needs? What would help this game?
Much as I hate to say ANOTHER U.S. plane, I think we need a glass-nosed B25. Maybe a B-25C
I think that the Japanese armada is forming nicely. I'd like to see a Betty if only for scenarios, but I know it would get no use.
I think we need to focus on an Italian fighter (Re 2000-2 -- a copy of the Seversky P35) or a russian bomber (Pe-2 or Tu-2, the former is better for earlier scenarios, the latter had better payload and performance as a bomber).
But as for what I'd personally love to see:
BlenhiemMk.IV, He111H, F7F, Ju188, Alison powered Mustang
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Originally posted by Krusty
But actually, the Yak performs a helluva lot better and has the same gun.
Actually, the NS-37 is about a 4,562 times better than the POS M4 that the P-39 had.
I'd much rather fly a P-400 with the 20mm myself. But the people who are endorsing the P-39 do so more form the perspective of the role it could play in leveling out planesets in special events I would guess. It makes a good balancer for early PAC setups, and can be used on early Eastern Front setups as well (which is where AH is probably most weak in planeset).
-Sik
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JU188 A2
nuff said
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I'd like to see some of these:
Ju188A-2
Ki-44-II-Otsu
I-16-24
G4M2
B-25C
Ki-43-II-Ko
Fw190A-2
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We have enough American Planes, We need the Italian "5" series planes
Fiat G55
RE 2005
Both superior to most allied planes
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Originally posted by kaos1
We have enough American Planes, We need the Italian "5" series planes
Fiat G55
RE 2005
Both superior to most allied planes
Why do we "need" them? They saw as close to no service as they could while still actually seeing service.
There are Italian aircraft that should be added, just none of the 5 series.
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Have to agree with Karnak here...
Despite the fact that the 205 is such a nice ride, it sees VERY little use anywhere. And from my source only 105 (G55s) were completed by the time the war ended (because they couldn't build engines with any semblance of speed whatsoever). That's NOT how many actually served. That's the total of how many were built. I don't even know how many languished waiting for engines or how many were waiting for pilots, but 105 is a REALLY small number. Hell even the rarified C205 had 260-some made.
If you're going for an Italian fighter, why go for the rarest most un-used planes? Why not use the butt-ugly, obsolete, and completely abundant numerous planes they had left over from the 1930s?
Lol.. No offense mate. I don't mean to be harsh. But you want the G55 because it'll be another uber plane :) (3x20mm & 2x12.7mm)... C'mon.. fess up, that's why, ain't it? :cool:
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I don't care anything about what get use in the main, none of planes suggested by any one would see any significant use in the main.
The wholes in the plane set mostly effect events, the CT and ToD. There are very few planes left to model that would have any meaningful use in the main.
Ju188A it has no real use in an event, the CT or ToD.
While I wouldn't mind seeing more Italian aircraft in AH they would have limited use. Even in the med...
For VVS planes there are so many needed just to get to a point where the most basic event could be run it will take more then 1 update.
Just an I16, Lagg 3 or Yak 1 wont do it.
If ToD is going to be a success and bring a new type of player into AH substitution roulette is not going to do it.
The P-39 wasn't a 'ground attack aircraft' it was an A2A fighter. Look how the Soviets used it. the M4 wasn't designed to 'bust tanks'. Just like the Yak 9t wasn't.
The P-39 kills 2 birds at once. For a New Guinea campaign the P-39/P-400 is a must, for the eastern front the P-39 is a must. Who cares how it will fair in the main. A Ju-188 wont fair any better.
The Japanese plane set is full of wholes. To claim 'its filling nicely' is pure BS. I only suggested the 3 most obvious Japanese planes and could come up with another 3.
The fact of the matter is if ToD starts in Western Europe it only stands to reason to fill that plane set out so that ToD starts outs out well.
I assume you want an earlier variant P-47 without the boost, since the current one already has the thin prop?
No I want the limited range.
P-47C-5 or D-4 (D-4 had water so its not just a water issue). The D-11 is '44 aircraft. By adding an A-3 (an A-4 would be almost the same as the A-3, we could do with an A-2 but then we end up with more mismatched variants; ie Spit V with 16lbs boost etc...) and a earlier ('43) Jug the time frame for a Western European Theater gets extended. As such you get more balanced theater overall. Initially difficult for the Allies ending up extremely difficult for the LW.
If you just run 30 days of P51s late 38s and late Jugs then it may not be sustainable. AH has the P-38s as well now.
A 'happy time' for both sides basically.
I only fly the 109 and the planes I suggested I would ever fly at all. I did suggest to G-14 because it unfair to force the LW to fly just the 43 G-6 until October '44 and its unfair for the Allies to face the G-10 (really a K-4 with a 20mm option) earlier. So a G-14 or G-14/AS (with DB603 supercharger giving better performance at altitude)would balance that out.
I just think to make ToD a success the wholes should be filled before its introduced, at least in one theater...
So my suggestions are based on actually needs and wholes in the plane set. Not just would I would want to fly.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
Actually, the NS-37 is about a 4,562 times better than the POS M4 that the P-39 had.
I'd much rather fly a P-400 with the 20mm myself. But the people who are endorsing the P-39 do so more form the perspective of the role it could play in leveling out planesets in special events I would guess. It makes a good balancer for early PAC setups, and can be used on early Eastern Front setups as well (which is where AH is probably most weak in planeset).
-Sik
"A P39 with a zero on it's tail." :D
Don't knock my oldsmobile M4! Hehe. (shamefully drives an 87 olds)[/size])
P39 is on my list. Partly so I can enjoy it, but mainly to inflate the Eastern front ... and the med/pac :)
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In terms of the P39 and the MA, I think folks need to keep in mind the P39 performed well down on the deck. Considering much of the airwar in the MA is down low, I'd think the 39 would do OK.
Certainly the USAAF pilots flying against the LW in the Med with the 350th did ok against the 109s and 190s when they ran into them. And when they did it was down on the deck where the 39 was operating and the performance was better.
Dan/Slack
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Originally posted by Octavius
Don't knock my oldsmobile M4! Hehe. (shamefully drives an 87 olds)[/size])
Maybe if I knock it a few times, the ROF will become decent, and the MV won't suck :p
-Sik
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Originally posted by Wotan
The D-11 is '44 aircraft.
Uhh, then why are the serial numbers from both factories starting with 42. Like they were built in 1942...
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not quite...
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P-47N
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Originally posted by Jester
Would like to see some coversions of the models we have and missing equipment added.
Japan:
800kg bomb for the KATE
please... more torps?ok... so which torps? (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=128786)
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Originally posted by Krusty
Lol.. No offense mate. I don't mean to be harsh. But you want the G55 because it'll be another uber plane :) (3x20mm & 2x12.7mm)... C'mon.. fess up, that's why, ain't it? :cool:
LOL this would qualify the:
109F4
109G6
109G2
190A5 (has 4 20mm)
and various other challenging rides as "uber" :rofl
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Originally posted by Wotan
I am not a big fan of US aircraft but I argued along with many others that more P-38 variants were just what this game needed.
A lot of folks take these threads to offer some ridiculous suggestions; planes that will add nothing to the game but the 'KeWl' factor.
Hopefully this thread will be focused more on what's needed rather then someones pet airplane.
I am in complete agreement with your lineup. For Early P-47s a P-47C-5 and P-47D-5 would fill out the set. I'd also like to see the D-11 updated to the high-activity prop as almost all were upgraded to this within a month of reaching Britain.
Chronology of the P-47s in terms of deliveries:
C-5 Late 1942-early 1943
D-5 Spring 1943- summer 1943
D-11 Fall 1943- early winter 1943
By December of 1943 most ETO P-47 Groups flew a mixture of D-5s and D-11s. Most, if not all P-47C-5s had been sent down to training units or were classified as War Weary (WW) by then.
As to that fellow who mentioned the serial numbers beginning with 42; serial numbers reflect those assigned when the contract was signed, and do not reflect actual delivery or in-service dates. There were P-51Bs and Cs with 42 serial numbers, but the first P-51B did not arrive in Britain until September of 1943.
For the IJAAF, the Ki-43-II, Ki-44-II and the Ki-61-1-Otsu would be very helpful.
In addition to the A6M3, I'd like to see the J2M3 added.
I also agree that the Soviet lineup needs a lot of attention.
My regards,
Widewing
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Id like to see the K4 perked. Better climb, ejection pod guns, and faster than the G10. Make it really expensive, whatever. Id just like to see the K4. Might fly ma if I see the K4, who knows.
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Originally posted by Angus
for 1939 and 1940
He 111
Older Ju87?
Older 110?
D-520
PZL-11
Fokker
That should do the Blitzkrieg mostly.
thought the Dewoitine D-520 was French?
I for one would like to see this plane in AH for CT or SEA events. It prob would do ok in the MA as well.to rack up perk points...max speed was around 329 and had a supercharger 1 20mm cannon thru the hub and 4 7.5mm guns in/under the wings
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Originally posted by Guppy35
In terms of the P39 and the MA, I think folks need to keep in mind the P39 performed well down on the deck. Considering much of the airwar in the MA is down low, I'd think the 39 would do OK.
Certainly the USAAF pilots flying against the LW in the Med with the 350th did ok against the 109s and 190s when they ran into them. And when they did it was down on the deck where the 39 was operating and the performance was better.
Dan/Slack
I agree. The P-39N and P-39Q were very capable down low, vastly better than the earlier P-39s. I expect that if we get a late P-39, it will be widely used and very effective.
My regards,
Widewing
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Id like to see the K4 perked. Better climb, ejection pod guns, and faster than the G10. Make it really expensive, whatever. Id just like to see the K4. Might fly ma if I see the K4, who knows.
The G-10 in Ah is really a K-4 with K-4 performance. The reason they called a G-10 was because of the 20mm option, the K-4 had no such option.
Pyro said exactly that in an old post
I am in complete agreement with your lineup. For Early P-47s a P-47C-5 and P-47D-5 would fill out the set. I'd also like to see the D-11 updated to the high-activity prop as almost all were upgraded to this within a month of reaching Britain.
Yeah the D-11 should get the paddle blade prop which would put it at Jan '44.
I read in an old post about flight model changes in an old patch where Pyro said:
P-47D-11 is underweight and that will be changed. A prop change is not planned at this point as I really don't want to do 8 variants of the P-47.
Let's hope that has changed
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There seem to be two development streams
1) update existing rides
2) new rides.
1) should take its lead from the MA and be prioritised to the most popular rides and their model variants.
2) should be geared to the needs of TOD which really means (it seems) filling out the 43 >45 WETO set
but a Pe2 would be nice
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Main arena only needs late war planes.
All others is only for complete the sides.
Only a handfull players fly early war
planes in main.
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Originally posted by Loddar
Main arena only needs late war planes.
All others is only for complete the sides.
Only a handfull players fly early war
planes in main.
Not necessarily true. P40E, Hurri 2c, FM2, F4F, 109F, and Spit 5 are early war, and get a lot of use. To be successful as an early war ride in the MA, maneuverability and firepower are needed. IMO, the lack of firepower is what limits the use of the 202, otherwise a really fine ride.
And (i can hear the screams of "blasphemer and heretic" now) AH is not all about the MA. MA is important, fun, and attracts a large fan base. But on any Friday night, there will be almost 200 players in Squad Ops in the SEA. Some scenarios beat that number handily. Granted, these aren't full-time 24 hour activities, but a lot of players live for these activities. I know I do. And this rather large base of players NEEDS early war rides, so we can reenact early war battles.
Will the P38J and G be used in the MA? Oh, yes. Are they going to be superior to the L? Remains to be seen. But I can tell you one thing--the minute they become available, Daddog and company will be planning their use in the SEA. And I for one can't wait for the new toys!
shubie
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rshubert, i fully agree with you
But all these main players rides most
late war planes like 51D, La7s, Niks, 190D
and all like that. Every time the same planes.
Scenarios and all other special events can need early war planes but these events
are only two times a week, rest is main
arena rumbleboring.
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Basicly I think the mossie bomber would be a fast fun ride to add,it wouldnt be that hard to put in.
The p-39 would be nice altho as someone said the yak is close to doing the same job but i think the cobra has more ammo with .05's and .03's in the nose,or we could have the p-63 king cobra
The Stuka with the big cannon was fun in w/b now that we have the tiger tank it would be a great counter to it.
.Sawman
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Soviet Union: MiG-3, LaGG-3, Yak-1, I-16, Pe-2B, P-39Q, Pe-8, Il-10, Tu-2S
Germany: Bf 109E-1, Bf 109G-14, Bf 109K-4, He 111H-6, Fw 190A-3, Fw 190A-4, Do 217E-2, Do 217J-1, Ju-52/3mg5e
Great Britain: Spitfire VII, Spitfire VIII, Sea Fury, Mosquito XVIII
Japan: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-100, J2M3, A6M3, A6M7, G5N1, G4M2
United States: F4F-3, P-39D, P-40C, F6F-3, B-25D, B-25J
...How about this list?
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Originally posted by Fruda
Japan: Ki-43, Ki-44, Ki-100, J2M3, A6M3, A6M7, G5N1, G4M2
...How about this list?
I think the Japanese could really use one of their mid-late war Carrier Strike Aircraft.
Either the D4Y, or even the B7A
Heck even a B6N would be helpfull if a Pacific ToD ever takes off.
-Sik
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I agree.
However, I forgot to add a list of updates that are necessary. The ones of highest priority should be...
Fw 190F-8: Face it --- This plane really needs its different loadout packages. We only have around 5 for it, when in real life there were over a dozen (gunpods, bombs, rockets, you name it). It was possibly the most sophisticated ground attack aircraft in the world at the time, and our version isn't even capable of taking out much more than a Panzer.
Bf 109G-10: What's going on here? Our version is just a bastardized mix of the G-10 and K-4. It needs to be a true G-10, which would require a slight decrease in performance.
Spitfire Mk. XIV: Well, this one doesn't have any problems, although it shouldn't even be perked. We have a low-power early model that doesn't even go 450mp/h. The most famous XIV variant (the "e") had a bubble canopy along with a Rolls Royce Griffon 65, and could go 452+ at 22,000 feet. I say take the perk price off of our XIV and add the XIVe. Even though the XIVe has superior performance to many planes above 22,000 feet, it's still in the same class as the P-51D Mustang and Bf 109G-10 and K4, so it shouldn't be perked, PERIOD.
La-7: I think everybody knows about this one. Of course, it was this good in real life. But very, and I do mean very, few La-7's had the 3x B-20 gun package. We should have a default La-7 with just the 2x 20mm ShVak package, along with a new variant equipped with the 3x 20mm B-20 package, with a perk price of about 15 points. This would settle many disputes about the plane.
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Fruda,
Most Spitfire Mk XIVs were high backed Mk XIVe types. The bubble cannopy you're thinking of didn't enter service until march or april, 1945 and was a Spitfire FR.Mk XIVe. The FR was for Fighter-Recon.
The Spitfire Mk XIV in AH is powered by a Griffon 65, as all Mk XIVs were, and has a critical altitude of about 27,000ft as it should and does 447mph which is very close to the RAF's 448mph claim.. I don't know where you heard the Mk XIV should do 452 at 22,000ft. That sounds like the proper numbers for the Bf109K-4.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Lol.. No offense mate. I don't mean to be harsh. But you want the G55 because it'll be another uber plane :) (3x20mm & 2x12.7mm)... C'mon.. fess up, that's why, ain't it? :cool:
There's nothing extraordinary about the G55 and Re2005. Both were powered by the same 1,475 hp Alfa Romeo built version of the DB-605A1 engine fitted to the Macchi 205. Of the 3, the Re2005 is probably the most agile, but still nowhere close to equal with the SpitV. All three produced max speeds in the 390 mph range. All suffered from poor outward visibility and indifferent reliability. I see no reason to add these at this point in time when so many other aircraft of far greater significance are needed.
My regards,
Widewing
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Karnak, test the XIV in climb and turn.
It's an underdog compared to the 109G2 and to the actual performance AFAIK.
Even fully loaded (lots of fuel) Mk VIII would go to 20K in 5 minutes.
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The He 112
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/he112-1.jpg)
Origin: Ernst Heinkel AG
Models: He 100 B-0 and B-1
Type: Single-seat fighter
First Flight:
He 112V-1: September 1935
He 112B: May 1937
Final Delivery: Romania: September 1939
Production: N/A (At least 54)
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Engine:
Model: Junkers Jumo 210Ea
Type: Inverted-vee-12 liquid-cooled
Number: One Horsepower: 680 hp
Dimensions:
Span: 29 ft. 10¼ in. (9.1m)
Length: 30 ft. 6 in. (9.3m)
Height: 12 ft. 7½ in. (3.65m)
Weights:
Empty: 1620kg (3,571 lbs.)
Maximum Loaded: 2250 kg (4,960 lbs.)
Performance:
Maximum speed: 510km/h (317mph)
Service Ceiling: 8,500m (27,890 ft.)
Range: 1100km (684 Miles)
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Armament:
Two 20mm Oerlikon MG FF Cannon in Outer Wings
Two 7.92mm Rheinmetall MG 17 machine guns in the fuselage sides
Bomb load:
Underwing racks for six 22 lb. (10 kg.) fragmentation bombs.
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He 219
(http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/he219-1.jpg)
Origin: Ernst Heinkel AG
Type: Night fighter
Models: He 219A-0 to A-7, B and C series
Crew: Two
First Flight: He 219V-1 November 15, 1942
Service Delivery:
Prototypes: November 15, 1942
He 219A-1: November 1943
Total Production: 268
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Powerplant:
He 219V-1:
Model: Daimler-Benz DB 603AS
Type: Inverted-vee-12 liquid-cooled
Number: Two Horsepower: 1,750 hp
Typical:
Model: Daimler-Benz DB 603G
Type: Inverted-vee-12 liquid-cooled
Number: Two Horsepower: 1,900 hp
He 219A-6:
Model: Daimler-Benz DB 603L
Type: Inverted-vee-12 liquid-cooled
Number: Two Horsepower: 1,750 hp
He 219A-7/R2:
Model: Daimler-Benz DB 603E Number: Two
Type: Inverted-vee-12 liquid-cooled
Horsepower:
1,800 hp at 2,700 rpm for takeoff.
1,900 hp at 5,905 ft. (1,800m).
1,550 hp at 22,965 ft. (7,000m).
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Dimensions: He 219A-7
Span: 60 ft. 8 in. (18.5m)
Length (With Aerials): 50 ft. 11¾ in. (15.54m)
Height: 13 ft. 5½ in. (4.1m)
Weights: He 219A-7
Empty: 24,692 lb (11,200 kg)
Loaded: 33,730 lb. (15,200 kg)
Performance: He 219A-7
Maximum speed: 416 mph (670km/h)
Initial climb: 1,804 ft (550m)/min
Service ceiling: 41,660 ft (12,700m)
Range: 1,243 miles (2,000km)
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Armament:
He 219V-1
Two 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in wing roots.
One 13mm MG 131 in rear cockpit.
He 219A-2/R1
Two 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in wing roots.
Two or Four 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 cannon in Shräge Musik mount.
He 219A-7/R1
Two 30mm Mk 108 Cannon in wing roots.
Two 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 103 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 cannon in Shräge Musik mount.
Ammunition: 100 rounds per gun
He 219A-7/R2
Two 30mm Mk 108 Cannon in wing roots.
Two 20mm MG 151/20 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 Cannon in belly tray.
Two 30mm Mk 108 cannon in Shräge Musik mount.
Ammunition: 100 rounds per gun
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But I still like to see the Ju88c
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/i/fww2/ju88c-i.jpg)
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Ju388
(http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/images/junkers_ju-388l.t.jpg)
Type: (L) Reconnaissance, (J) Night Fighter,
(K) Bomber
Origin: Junkers Flugzeug und Motorenwerke AG
Models: L-Series, J-Series, and K-Series
Crew: Ju 388L: 3
First Flight: N/A
Final Delivery: N/A
Number Produced:
Ju 388L: 47 Ju 388J: 3 Ju 388K: 15
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Engine:
Most:
Model: BMW 801TJ
Type: 18-Cylinder two-row radial
Number: Two Horsepower: 1,890 hp
Some:
Model: Junkers Jumo 213E
Type: 12-Cylinder Liquid-cooled Inverted Vee
Number: Two Horsepower: 1,750 hp
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Dimensions:
Wing span: 72 ft. 2 in. (22.00m)
Length:
Ju 388L-1: 49 ft. 10.5 in. (15.20m)
Ju 388J-1: 53 ft. 5.5 in. (16.29m)
With Tail Warning Radar: 58 ft. 1 in.
Height: 14 ft. 3 in. (4.35m)
Wing Surface Area: 602.80 sq. ft.
Weights:
Empty:
Ju 388L-1: 22,810 lb. (10,345 kg)
Ju 388J-1: 22,928 lb. (10,400 kg)
Loaded:
Ju 388L-1 & J-1: 32,350 lb. (14,675 kg)
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Performance:
Maximum Speed:
Ju 388L-1: 407 mph (655 kph)
Ju 388J-1: 362 mph (582 kph)
Initial Climb: N/A
Service Ceiling (Typical): 44,000 ft. (13,500m)
Range with internal fuel:
Ju 388L-1: 1,838 miles (2950 km)
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Armament:
Ju 388J-1:
Two 30mm cannon firing forward.
Two 20mm MG 151 cannon firing forward.
Two 20mm MG 151 cannon in Shrage Musik Installation in rear fuselage.
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Me 209II
(http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugzeuge/messerschmitt/mev_5.jpg)
Crew: 1
Span: 10.95 meters
Length: 9.62 meters
Height: 4.00 meters
Wing surface: 17.15 sq m.
Wing load: 238 kg/sq m
Weight empty: 3 338 kg
Weight loaded: 4 085 kg
Propulsion
Maximum speed: 745 kph
Armament
1 30 mm gun
2 20 mm guns
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Angus,
Oh, I'm done wasting perk points on the Spitfire Mk XIV. It simply isn't worth the points. That said, I don't see that it is far off. I do recall that Pyro reduced it's climb rate / acceleration in AH2 though.
Gear,
The He219 never broke 400mph in actual service. The 419mph was claimed by Heinkel, but not delivered on.
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Gear,
You are in effect stealing band width from the warbirds research group and luft archive by cross posting their images.
Not to mention copying and pasting the text with out referencing the source.
You could just linked back to those sites.
At least then they get the credit they paid for.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Fruda,
Most Spitfire Mk XIVs were high backed Mk XIVe types. The bubble cannopy you're thinking of didn't enter service until march or april, 1945 and was a Spitfire FR.Mk XIVe. The FR was for Fighter-Recon.
The Spitfire Mk XIV in AH is powered by a Griffon 65, as all Mk XIVs were, and has a critical altitude of about 27,000ft as it should and does 447mph which is very close to the RAF's 448mph claim.. I don't know where you heard the Mk XIV should do 452 at 22,000ft. That sounds like the proper numbers for the Bf109K-4.
Thanks for telling me its true performance. My information source was wrong (again). Still, as I said, it's not even worth a perk price. It shouldn't have been perked, EVER.
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There is quite a big difference what the MA needs and what ToD will need.
ToD will need for the gaps between the nations to be closed.
Atm there is no way there can be a Tour based on the east front because of the huge gaps in the Soviet arsenal.
Also I dont know what role troops will play in ToD and what role "goon planes" will have in ToD but we only have the C47 atm.
Adding planes imho should be focued to fill out the gaps for ToD instead of adding high performance planes for MA.
When it comes to variants of existing planes I really hope that HTC will do what they have done with the P38, add more variants as they rework each type. This will give us depth in the current plane types we have and fix issues with them beeing "historicaly off".
So imho how the goals should be for plane addition and reworks:
*Rework add variants and fix "off" variants.
*New additions focus on closing gaps in the nations to allow better ToD setups.
Tex.
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Originally posted by Widewing As to that fellow who mentioned the serial numbers beginning with 42; serial numbers reflect those assigned when the contract was signed, and do not reflect actual delivery or in-service dates. There were P-51Bs and Cs with 42 serial numbers, but the first P-51B did not arrive in Britain until September of 1943.
Yeah, ya got me there. Some research and I found this on Joe Baughers website: (http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/)
Starting in July of 1921 (the beginning of FY 1922) a new system was adopted based on procurement within each Fiscal Year. Each serial number now consisted of a base number corresponding to the last two digits of the FY in which money was used to manufacture the aircraft, and a sequence number indicating the sequential order in which the particular aircraft was ordered within that particular FY. For example, airplane 22-1 was the first aircraft ordered in FY 1922, 23-1 was the first example ordered in FY 1923, etc. This system is still in use today.
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Like others mentioned much more gap fillers would be needed for Eastern front or PTO setups. It would be natural to assume that the TOD would start out with ETO, while HTC develop gap fillers for other setups.
I seem to recall either HT or Pyro mentioning it'd be starting out with 8th AF attack on Germany, but maybe things would change.
To do the 8th AF Scenario, we'd need new B-17s, new 190s, new 109s, new P-51s, and new P-47s. Ofcourse, there's no saying that ETO TOD will start up with all new-modelled planes, and some planes in the TOD still might use old cockpits and models.. but still, if I may take a guess, I think HTC would want to open a great new start featuring all planes in the first TOD setup using the "new standard" as seen in the Ki-84 and P-38.
So, I have a feeling that we'll get to see new 190 models soon. (...which is why I'm a bit reluctant about finishing off the 190 historic skins project, which again, btw, have 190F skins left.. :D )
There have been guesses that Pyro may be reworking on 190 FM.. not to mention the fact that the 190 models are one of the oldest in the game now. The last 190 model we've received was a Fw190D-9(excluding the Ta152), and that was in AHv1.05. IIRC, the Fw190As were included from beta and remained as it is ever since!!
So, I expect maybe one new aircraft, and remodelled Fw190s in the next next big update! :)
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La5 looks like it was chipped out of wood in 10 chops.
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P-47M.
Perk it at 250 all the time I wouldn't care :)
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Originally posted by moot
La5 looks like it was chipped out of wood in 10 chops.
Yeah, both the La-5FN and La-7 need serious model/texture updates.
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First...
No more uber planes...
Second...
uber-bips would be great ( last generation biplanes )
That said,
the P-39n would be nice. Below 10k it could out turn any LW plane. Lots-o-ammo too.
afool
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Yes, biplanes. Biplanes good. Put that right up there on my list with the Me-410 and the 'widow :D
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
P40 N.
Here, here. I second the P40N!!
Seems to me, with the P38s coming out, and the B-24 before that, the USAF has been taken care of.
Ki-84 release should have satisfied the Japanesing crowd.
Next up would then be a choice of the Brits, Russians or Luftwabbies.
I hope we see the Russian list expanded: Yak-1, Pe-2 or Pe-4. Any or all would do. :) :) :)
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Well not to sound to pushy,
I'de like to see two new aircraft added.
1. The Donier Arrow 235 both variants, single seat fighter, and the twin seat night fighter, both developed in secrecy and only about 10 made. It was a push pull twin prop.
2. The P-61 Black Widow. It was a night fighter and saw limited service.
Well maybe 1 more.
3. The ME-410.
thats all I have to say. If I need to do the research I have it already :D
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He111 for the scenarios.
Earlier Me110 for the scenarios.
Spit LFVIII (clipped wing)
Sort out the Spit 9
Unperk the Spit 14
Poss Spit 22/24 perked obviously, but at a reasonable cost.
Mossie BIV
Diff B17/B24 variants
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The RAF needs taking care of.
It's 1944/5 fighters are perked, and the unperked RAF is the worst possible 1943 spit IX and a beefed up Spit V (1942) which is actually superior in almost every way to it's later brother.
The result is a spit V which is too good for 1942 but near obsolete in 1943 and a Spit IX that cannot compete in scenarious / events / ToD.
Add to that that the day version mossie has the night exhaust tubes that slows it down and it has some center-of-gravity issue that makes it spin worse than any other plane or enter "deep stall" (falling without droping the nose down).
So the mid-war RAF is weired, the late war is perked and the pinnacle of the unperked RAF is the 1943 Typhoon whose fame did not result from it's air-to-air ability.
Bozon
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Originally posted by bozon
The RAF needs taking care of.
Bozon
Hmmm, I'd like to see the Beaufighter :).
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To those that think the Italian "5" series are "Uber Planes" I must disagree. And to those who think they are insignificant because of lack of use I must also disagee. Yes they were rare, but that was due to manufacturing reasons, see the allies were bombing the %^$&*$ out of Italian industry.
The real reson I would like to see them is that we have enough allied planes in the skys, and a couple more Italian planes would add greatly to the variety of aircraft. Lets be serious, do we need every model of every allied plane ever put into combat?
Currenlty, I fly the C.205 almost exclusively when I choose a fighter, unlike the hordes I see in LA's, Spits, and P-51's. Lets just get better all around representation.
Now for Uber planes, lets get a P-80 out there as a perk plane!
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How about un twittler ing the wulfen?
That would Japwn!
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The Russian planeset still needs the most additions.
#1: Pe-2 --- On par with the Bf 110 series, if not better. A great ground attacker. The Russian planeset needs this, BADLY.
#2: Tu-2 --- The Russian counterpart of the B-17. Very large and very heavy. Russia needs a heavy bomber, and this is it.
#3: MiG-3 --- 398 mp/h at 21,000 feet, a good deal of gun packages (3 ShVak; 2 B-20; etc.), great turner, and good all-around performance make this early-mid war fighter a must for the Russian set.
#4: LaGG-3 --- Not nearly as good as the Yak-1 or MiG-3, but Russia still needs an early-war fighter on par with the 109E series.
#5: Yak-1 --- The first Yak is necessary. Great performance at altitudes below 10,000 feet; out-classes the 109 series below said altitude.
#6: Yak-3 --- Possibly the best pure dogfighter of the Yak series. Not quite as fast as the Yak-9U, but it turns better and doesn't stall as easily. It's also a bit lighter.
#7: I-16 --- Just put it in. It was used heavily in the very early stages of the war, even though it was HORRIBLY out-classed by Germany's 109's.
#8: Yak-7 --- Can't have enough Yak variants. You just can't.
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Hate to argue with ya, but the Tu-2 was about the same size and capabilities as the Pe-2. Both had LIGHT payloads. The soviets had only a couple of heavy bombers (TB-3, Pe-8). Almost all soviet bombers were light attack or dive bombers.
The Pe came earlier, was fast for its time, but had light forward firepower and limited bomb load.
The Tu came later ('44 bird) and was faster, could carry MORE, but still nothing compared at all to a B17. More like a B25.
As for the Mig3 and lagg3, I say make it a mig1 and a lagg3. The early planes should reflect the slow and less-adequate fighters of the time.
Why do we need a Yak1 and a Yak3? They are both veritable spitfires... Just put in the Yak1 and if people want a Yak3 have them fly the Yak9.
As for the I-16....
If this game ever adds small but nimble biplanes it will ruin gameplay. These rides out turn anything but are so freakin' slow that most planes can't even slow down enough to hit them....
As an example, the missions in IL2 have 109Fs taking on I 16s.. It's nearly impossible to hit the bastages because they turn on a dime and even tho they are slow you can never keep up with them. Chances are they'll NEVER get a kill on you, but it's a freaking waste of time, ammo, and it annoys the hell out of the superior plane's pilot.
Same would happen if we put in the Gloster Gladiator, the I-16, or anything on par with them. They would only increase the number of turn fights that lead nowhere because the plane doesn't have the firepower to shoot anything down, and nothing else can shoot them down. It's a road to frustration. As much as the Vvs needs early planes, leave biplanes out. Just use early lend-lease planes.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Why do we need a Yak1 and a Yak3? They are both veritable spitfires... Just put in the Yak1 and if people want a Yak3 have them fly the Yak9.
Need both Yak 1 and Yak 3.
There are substantial differences...The Yak 1 was a multipurpose attack fighter. The Yak 3 was designed to improve the air to air capabilities.
There's also the issue of numbers and impact on the war. With 8000+ Yak 1's built and 4000+ Yak 3's built (plus 8000 more Yak9 variants), you've just got to include them. I think there were less than 500 C.205s produced, but we have them.
We've got 3 P38s, 3 P47s, heck, we've got 4 Spitties so I see no reason why we shouldn't have 4 Yaks.
Actually, I do see a reason: Lack of information. The Cold War that followed WWII kept American and Soviet WWII exploits and experiences mutually exclusive.
Think about what most people start flying in the TA...P51s, Spitfires, Me 262s...the cool, classy stuff they read about. No one says "I wanna fly the Mig 3".
Anyway...my 2 cents worth...
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Originally posted by Krusty
As for the I-16....
If this game ever adds small but nimble biplanes it will ruin gameplay. These rides out turn anything but are so freakin' slow that most planes can't even slow down enough to hit them....
As an example, the missions in IL2 have 109Fs taking on I 16s.. It's nearly impossible to hit the bastages because they turn on a dime and even tho they are slow you can never keep up with them. Chances are they'll NEVER get a kill on you, but it's a freaking waste of time, ammo, and it annoys the hell out of the superior plane's pilot.
Same would happen if we put in the Gloster Gladiator, the I-16, or anything on par with them. They would only increase the number of turn fights that lead nowhere because the plane doesn't have the firepower to shoot anything down, and nothing else can shoot them down. It's a road to frustration. As much as the Vvs needs early planes, leave biplanes out. Just use early lend-lease planes.
You may feel it would ruin gameplay. It may ruin yours, but it would improve mine. It all depends on what you like, what you want to do and how you want to play.
afool
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I miss spoke in an earlier post, It was the Donier Arrow 335, and thier were 2 active squadrons neer the end of 1944. Still would like to see this plane added. Did you know it was the only plane of that error that had explosive bolts to detach the tail section and rear centerline engine along with an ejection seat to accomadate a safe bail out? :aok
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One that would be easy to implement would be the F6f-5N.
The F6f-3 and F65-5s were retrofitted in large quantitys to the N designation. They installed 2 20 mm cannons in place of 2 of the 50 cal machine guns.
the F6f-3N and F6f-5N planes had
2 - 20 mm Cannons
4- 50 cal machine guns
would be neat to have the N model Hellcat to compete with the Ki-84, Niki, Ki-61, A6m's since all of them have cannons to begin with.............and it wouldn't even need to be perked!
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Originally posted by Krusty
Hate to argue with ya, but the Tu-2 was about the same size and capabilities as the Pe-2. Both had LIGHT payloads. The soviets had only a couple of heavy bombers (TB-3, Pe-8). Almost all soviet bombers were light attack or dive bombers.
The Pe came earlier, was fast for its time, but had light forward firepower and limited bomb load.
The Tu came later ('44 bird) and was faster, could carry MORE, but still nothing compared at all to a B17. More like a B25.
As for the Mig3 and lagg3, I say make it a mig1 and a lagg3. The early planes should reflect the slow and less-adequate fighters of the time.
Why do we need a Yak1 and a Yak3? They are both veritable spitfires... Just put in the Yak1 and if people want a Yak3 have them fly the Yak9.
As for the I-16....
If this game ever adds small but nimble biplanes it will ruin gameplay. These rides out turn anything but are so freakin' slow that most planes can't even slow down enough to hit them....
As an example, the missions in IL2 have 109Fs taking on I 16s.. It's nearly impossible to hit the bastages because they turn on a dime and even tho they are slow you can never keep up with them. Chances are they'll NEVER get a kill on you, but it's a freaking waste of time, ammo, and it annoys the hell out of the superior plane's pilot.
Same would happen if we put in the Gloster Gladiator, the I-16, or anything on par with them. They would only increase the number of turn fights that lead nowhere because the plane doesn't have the firepower to shoot anything down, and nothing else can shoot them down. It's a road to frustration. As much as the Vvs needs early planes, leave biplanes out. Just use early lend-lease planes.
Excuse me, but the A6M's are small, slow, and extremely nimble. The I-16 is almost up there speed-wise, and it can turn almost as well. It's virtually in the same class.
And why the hell shouldn't we have the MiG-3? It was much better than the MiG-1, and didn't have nearly as many mechanical and structural problems. The only reason its kill-to-loss ratio was so high is because the pilots who flew it had little to no training, thus using none of its advantages against the 109's it fought. If you know how to fly it, it's a demon. And don't start with that "crappy fuel pump" BS. It flew how it flew, and it out-classed the 109's at the time (1941-1942).
The Yak-1, as was said earlier, was a multi-purpose aircraft, not just meant for dogfighting. And the Yak-3 is a better dogfighter than the Yak-9, altough it is just a smidge slower. It's less prone to stalling and is more maneuverable. In fact, the Yak-3 was so good at its role that Luftwaffe pilots were told to avoid it.
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As a Yakman, I've got to say that the Yak-1 and the Yak-3 should be modeled sooner or later. I think that the -1 is more important, given the lack of early war Soviet planes, but I also feel that the Yak-3 is sufficiently different in character from the -9U to warrent inclusion.
Also, while it's not my "thing" The Yak-3 is one of the few "MA Monsters" that has yet to be modeled. I spent the few hours I've flown in the MA this month trying to chase people down in a Yak-9T, so I completely understand the desire for faster options in the MA lol.
-Sik
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Yak 3 is pointless in terms of need. ToD and event 'needs' should be put ahead of main 'wants' at this point in AH development. The Yak 9u is better aircraft all round for a late war Yak.
Yak 1 / Yak 7 / Yak 9 / Yak 9M (easy convert from the 9T we have. Very similair to the 9D.)
But as I mentioned above the eastern front would take more then 1 update and should be set aside so that wholes can be filled that will directly impact the possibilities for ToD. Earlier USAAF, better variety for the RAF and Japanese etc...
Another late war main monster isn't really required to keep the main vital.
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I don't dissagree with you, in saying that the Yak-3 isn't "needed." As you've said, the 9U plays the role of late war Yak very well, and coupled with the La-7, the late war VVS fighter stable has some real teeth.
I even agree (how could I not?) that ToD and events should take the drivers seat from MA utility.
I was simply pointing out that it would likely find use in the MA, and is significantly different from the 9U. As opposed to the guy who thought they should have made a late model P-38J for example.
-Sik
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
One that would be easy to implement would be the F6f-5N.
The F6f-3 and F65-5s were retrofitted in large quantitys to the N designation. They installed 2 20 mm cannons in place of 2 of the 50 cal machine guns.
the F6f-3N and F6f-5N planes had
2 - 20 mm Cannons
4- 50 cal machine guns
would be neat to have the N model Hellcat to compete with the Ki-84, Niki, Ki-61, A6m's since all of them have cannons to begin with.............and it wouldn't even need to be perked!
:aok i TOTALY agree with this idea
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Originally posted by Wotan
Yak 3 is pointless in terms of need. ToD and event 'needs' should be put ahead of main 'wants' at this point in AH development. The Yak 9u is better aircraft all round for a late war Yak.
:confused: I have to dissagree with you on this The=Main Arena= is what keeps this game going! the Main Arena wants Should be Top priority,just look at the #'s on any given day of where poeple are playing most dodnt care about the other stuff
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Originally posted by Widewing
I am in complete agreement with your lineup. For Early P-47s a P-47C-5 and P-47D-5 would fill out the set. I'd also like to see the D-11 updated to the high-activity prop as almost all were upgraded to this within a month of reaching Britain.
Chronology of the P-47s in terms of deliveries:
C-5 Late 1942-early 1943
D-5 Spring 1943- summer 1943
D-11 Fall 1943- early winter 1943
By December of 1943 most ETO P-47 Groups flew a mixture of D-5s and D-11s. Most, if not all P-47C-5s had been sent down to training units or were classified as War Weary (WW) by then.
My regards,
Widewing
Very accurate. However I would disagree that a putting a C model in the game would help the planeset. Unless, they Modeled Zemke's C-5. Yes I am bias. Even moreso would I love to see them model Johnson's D-5, "lucky".
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jugs jugs jugs!
cant get enough of them!
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I-16? pft.
I want the Cr. 42 to be the first bi-plane in ah2
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I-16 isn't a biplane, you know. ;)
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i've been self-pwned. =(
but i still want the Cr. 42
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Originally posted by Monty405
I-16? pft.
I want the Cr. 42 to be the first bi-plane in ah2
The Fiat Cr.42 would be a good choice.
It was produced by Italy until the armistice. After the armistice an additional 150 unit were produced by the LW. They were used in night-harassment and anti-parsion raids. The last combat flight of Cr.42's too place in May 1945.
afool
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A20 to match it's original guns. 4 x 20MM nose mounted.
PLINK
:D
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P39 would be my choice.
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Originally posted by plink
A20 to match it's original guns. 4 x 20MM nose mounted.
PLINK
:D
And they need to remeber to put in the gun they forgot
(http://r1329776.hostultra.com/Uploads/A-20TunnelGun.jpg)
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:confused:
Why would we even want bi-planes in AH2??
gee,, sounds like that w/b ww1 game
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Originally posted by sawman
:confused:
Why would we even want bi-planes in AH2??
gee,, sounds like that w/b ww1 game
There are a few Events that could use them. Personally, they aren't on my radar screen, but I can understand why someone would want them.
The only one I'd be interested in is the Swordfish, and even that is a passing amusement.
-Sik
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I'd be happy if they added a door gun to the C-47... it wasn't unheard of.
I see people asking for the P-40N... I would personally prefer the K or M.
The Mustang IA would make a nice addition to the planeset, but I can see people whining about a 'stang with 4 Hispanos, even if it was Allison engined.
The Hawker Fury and/or Sea Fury might be nice, although they are a VERY late-war ride. Or how about the Fairey Firefly for the CV's?
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Originally posted by Zanth
And they need to remeber to put in the gun they forgot
(http://r1329776.hostultra.com/Uploads/A-20TunnelGun.jpg)
With ya on that bro! Tunnel gun to the A-20! Even better, A-26 with dorsal and ventral turrets!
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Yeah, why doesn't the A20 have that gun?