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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: TexMurphy on January 21, 2005, 10:59:00 AM
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(http://www.riha.nu/ah/p38pfa.JPG)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/natedog/l7.jpg)
Imho not much of a difference.
The light effect seen on the AH picture is there in PF as well, just didnt get it caught on screenie. Shells are there on both. The biggest difference imho is that the spinners are better on the PF model, could be skin related though.
But this is damn close to PF graphics..
Very good job HTC.
Tex
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It IS good. Very close to each other. And at game distances the differences are unimportant.
PF terrain and clouds look more realistic to me though. Not sure what it is.
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I'm curious if the charger movement will be visable or will it be freeze framed as we have now?
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Ohh one thing I forgot to say... PF does NOT have the smoke effects AH has... ;)
Lets only talk about the planes and not clouds and terrain atm... lets wait with comparing them till the new TE is out and we have maps based on it.. ;)
Tex
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I definately prefer the look of the AH2 P38's engines. The intake on them is impeccable.
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maybe this question has already been asked and answered elsewhere, if so I apologise. But: will there be movement of the controls, as in the Frank? (i.e. the rudder peddals, throttle, stick)
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Slimm, all new "remodeled" planes (anything from now on) will have moving controls like the b24/ki84. They just need to go through one by one and upgrade all current models to modern standards
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Originally posted by Krusty
Slimm, all new "remodeled" planes (anything from now on) will have moving controls like the b24/ki84. They just need to go through one by one and upgrade all current models to modern standards
ty :aok
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You would not see the prop cuff openings in the spinners anymore than you would see the props themselves. So, the PF version is not accurate in that respect.
And what's the deal with that massive amount of brass being ejected from the PF P-38 ? That's 10 seconds of brass....
Not only that, but Natedog has better captured the shape and lines of the P-38. Natedog's elevator counter weights are a tad too tall. Unlike the PF version, the AH plane lacks the pitot tube and HF radio antenna wiring (can still be added).
All in all, the AH P-38L is the better of the two, IMHO.
My regards,
Widewing
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both pretty close, if I had to vote I would take natedogs.
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the pf models have a slickness that i dont find apealing, as well as the cockpits, they are not even in full 3d, the planes look like they are in a show room not in a war.
what detail setting was that in for the pf screen shot? I bet the ah p38 would play alot smoother than the pf one fps wise, on the same medium grade pc at a matched graphics quality.
Natedogs' is looking damn sexy! im just hoping the cockpits arnt butchered too much so that ppl who still use hats can see all the guages in the standard view.
As long as the cantine of "hellfire" is still on board ill be content tho :)
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Originally posted by Widewing
And what's the deal with that massive amount of brass being ejected from the PF P-38 ? That's 10 seconds of brass....
Maybe he's dropping Chaff :) lol
-Sik
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
But this is damn close to PF graphics..
Tex
FYI P38 was released 2 years ago in AEP add-on for IL2 series. So you are comparing AH model that yet to be released to 2 year old IL2 model. :confused:
Why don’t you compare second screenshot?
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Looks very good.
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Can't judge em by a jagged screenshot, gotta get in the game and fly em. The Il-2 P38 cockpit feels like a tight fight, awesome illusion of being inside one of these planes. Their shuddering effect is incredible. I hope AH2 captures that feeling.
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Originally posted by Russian
FYI P38 was released 2 years ago in AEP add-on for IL2 series. So you are comparing AH model that yet to be released to 2 year old IL2 model. :confused:
Why don’t you compare second screenshot?
why compare at all? either you like it or you don't
if one likes that other sim p38 then go fly it, if you like the terrain graphics then go fly it, this is Aces high so you should talk about Aces high things, especially in the General Discussion area.reagardless if it is positive or negative ..save that other sim comparison talk for one of the other forums
Natedog and crew has done an outstanding job on the 38L.............gun smoke, ejecting shells and the pilot does not look like he is falling out of the side of the cockpit
why are the people that talk down about things even here if they think it is so outdated? or if they think the FM is off, or the gameplay is bad? why sit around on your computer complaining on the Aces high boards, just go to that other sim where you think it is so much better....................... ..
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still here? quit ya whining then and get in the game........
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Originally posted by TequilaChaser
why are the people that talk down about things even here if they think it is so outdated? or if they think the FM is off, or the gameplay is bad? why sit around on your computer complaining on the Aces high boards, just go to that other sim where you think it is so much better....................... ..
Amen, Brother. Can I get a witness?
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Looks very nice but this is all you'll really see.
(http://www.flyaceshigh.com/flyaceshigh/graphics/pop/screen3.jpg)
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Apples to oranges.
They both look real nice, but it'll always be apples to oranges.
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Originally posted by streetstang
Apples to oranges.
They both look real nice, but it'll always be apples to oranges.
I got your oranges over here Morph :D
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Playing hard to get will only excite me more.
Better whatch it!
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I thought the top picture was ah :lol made a comment about it bahhahah im stupid
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
(http://www.riha.nu/ah/p38pfa.JPG)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/natedog/l7.jpg)
Imho not much of a difference.
The light effect seen on the AH picture is there in PF as well, just didnt get it caught on screenie. Shells are there on both. The biggest difference imho is that the spinners are better on the PF model, could be skin related though.
But this is damn close to PF graphics..
Very good job HTC.
Tex
the AH2 P-38L captures the look of the real p38. can't wait to see it in the game. even the low poly ah1 version captured the look of it now its perfect.
the il2/pf p38 is a misproportioned POS anddoes not capture the look of the real p38. and gibage (the 3d modeller that made the Il2/PF p38 is a self righteous pompous arnoldh0le.)
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Maybe its just me, but the AH 38 looks more realistic.
That Il2 one looks jaggedy and Arcadeish. (I know, I know its a game) But AH's looks more real to me anyway.
But then again, I hate Il2..All the pretty graphics in the world wouldn't make me play that game. Controls suck.
Feels really mushy.
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Reason I posted the compare was that in many cases Il-2 series is seen as state of the art WW2 sim graphics....
Im not really that keen in their graphics though as they do look a bit tooo cartoonish to me...
The comparing was more to show that the new stuff we are getting is very close to what is considerd (by many) state of the art WW2 sim graphics...
Tex.
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What you compared was an IL2 screen shot with no AA and the graphic detail set to low. Its looks like crap but even in that screen shot it compares well with AH2. I certainly wouldn't call you Il2 screen shot an example of 'state of the art'. Il2 P-38 is 3 years old, from the looks of that SS you graphics card is at least as old.
Some of you seem so blinded by fan boi'ism I bet if HT posted a pile of steaming dog crap with wings on it folks would come out claim how fantastic it looks and try to compare it to Il2.
The guy that modeled the P-38 for IL2 is an stunninghunk as Cit says, and he made plenty of errors not just on the P-38 but other planes he modeled.
While AH2 planes do look better then AH1 they certainly aren't 'better then Il2' but they don't need to be. Nobody flies with externals in AH anyway, I know you don't want to post cockpit comparisons.
AH is a great game on its own despite the exaggerations...
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The new shot look good as well....
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Honest the AH looks better.
Il2 just has an excellent lightning system and the colours are more bright.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Some of you seem so blinded by fan boi'ism I bet if HT posted a pile of steaming dog crap with wings on it folks would come out claim how fantastic it looks and try to compare it to Il2.
apparently you are not familiar with what I find to be an acceptable 3d model. if you knew you would surely know I am not one to say its looks good and perfectly accurate when it does not.
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apparently you are not familiar with what I find to be an acceptable 3d model. if you knew you would surely know I am not one to say its looks good and perfectly accurate when it does not.
Sure I am, I have read enough of your critiques but that has nothing to do with my point.
This thread is a comparison of Il2's P-38L and AH2's new P-38L. The originator of this thread posted a poor quality IL2 screen shot and used that to claim that the AH2 P-38L looks better then the old 'state of the art' Il2 P-38.
While I admitted there are some inaccuracies to the Il2 model they are minor and most lay persons can't tell the difference. There are inaccuracies in the AH models as well. That's a far cry from what this thread is about.
I am not pissing on AH either, its a great game and new planes look really good. I just don't think there's any reason for comparisons and exaggerations. But if you are so inclined to make comparisons at least compare the 2 at their best.
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how about comparing both to MY P-38L, I personally think nates P-38 looks better. Look at those ugly intakes on the IL-2 plane. I mean I like Gabs work but it looks like he modeled those last and when he got to them he ran out of polys and had to cut corners.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v298/fshangar/042.jpg)
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that's a nice skin i want it too
i think the shape of the ah model is more accurate
the il2 does have some radio wires and that tailwarning radar on the tail.
i can see a big difference in the cockpit too.
i like both games btw
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how about compairing both to MY P-38L, I personally think nates P-38 looks better. Look at those ugly intakes on the IL-2 plane. I mean I like Gabs work but it looks like he modeled those last and when he got to them he ran out of polys and had to cut corners.
Oh I agree but now look at your IL2 SS and then look at the the original posters, big difference...
But if you are not uisng a default skin then I would say its not fair to compare the 2. I bet when the good skinners get a hold of the AH 38s they will look even better.
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ummm,that isn't the IL2 38 I posted that isn't even the same game. That is a model of the P-38L I MADE for another video game currently in development. :)
That's why I said compare.
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the front windscreen armor plate should extend higher up razer.
yours has a mix of a p38g and a p38J windshield. :)
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The guns look funny and the cockpit shape seems wrong on the last one.
I am glad that the new screenys of the AH2 p38 show canopy framing that is near the standard of the rest of the model. They droped the ball on that with the Frank IMHO.
Personally I think the AH2 P38 will kick the bellybutton of the IL2 p38. Easier gunnery alone probably makes it 50% more effective.
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I've been knocking the graphics in AH for awhile but then I turned texture size to 1024 and discovered an increase in graphic detail,and I must admit I never knew it was that good.I've been runnig at 128 for awhile which is horrific.As a player of IL-2 and AH I think Hitech is headed in the right direction and hard work ussually pays off.
VIC
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ummm,that isn't the IL2 38 I posted that isn't even the same game. That is a model of the P-38L I MADE for another video game currently in development.
I thought the water looks strange, TW?
A littlel AA goes a long way though in improving the look of a SS.
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Oh boy, that Il-2 screenshot is really ugly. Nice to see HTC is working on graphics.
I'd like to see TW cockpits and a/c (I mean those we are beta-testing) implemented in AH2, tho ....
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Originally posted by Wotan
I thought the water looks strange, TW?
That would be my guess also.
I never did understand the quibling over the details. Most of the truly important aspects of the flightsim have very little to do with the aircraft detail. Aircraft performance, effects, terrain and lighting are all much more critical for any sense of immersion. Anyone can model a detailed aircraft.
BTW nate... nice work. It's the first time I've seen a P-38 that cit didn't spend every waking hour bashing. I knew that once you finally lost your virginity your work would improve.
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IL2- 664 MB ( original game, does not inclube FB)
AH2-87.3 MB
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Originally posted by Wotan
Some of you seem so blinded by fan boi'ism I bet if HT posted a pile of steaming dog crap with wings on it folks would come out claim how fantastic it looks and try to compare it to Il2.
Perk the "pile of steaming dog crap with wings on it"!!!
Does IL2 have a "pile of steaming dog crap with wings on it" to compare it to?
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AH2 BBS =AH2 bias
Il-2 BBS = IL-2 bias
not even worth "discussing" these models here you wont get anywhere. They both look great.
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yea its TW. I've added the P-38F, P-38G, P-38H, P-38J, P-38L (with working dive brakes) and later if we ever get radar I added the P-38M for "what-if" missions.
I personally like nates better when it comes to il-2 or AH. I would take better game play over graphics any day. It is hard to find a happy medium though. :)
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Does IL2 have a "pile of steaming dog crap with wings on it" to compare it to?
Yup the B-29, its looks like pure crap...
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wotan, post a screenie of IL2 in full detail please..
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Originally posted by Wotan
Yup the B-29, its looks like pure crap...
Hehehee..
<-- has IL2 and knows you ain't a kiddin'! ;)
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Personally I like Razer's 38 better than either IL2 or AH.
I also agree with Wotan: why don't game designers turn AA to max when they grab a screen shot? It greatly improves the image.
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It's pretty simple
Good 3d cockpit and good upper surfaces - more resources into those views since thats all you see in game.
Well - then theres that external view of the airplane offline and in hanger, but I could see cutting corners on the lower surfaces, fuselage to stay within polycount if needed, but with a propererly set up LOD system, I don't think it should be a problem either way. You could probably even set up a higher poly wing/cockpit lod that would only be rendered from 1-3 yards out. Would allow for more detailed damage/parts falling off.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Yup the B-29, its looks like pure crap...
At least the B-29 is there. You can give any plane a facelift... providing it is in the inventory.
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Razor: your P38 looks good but the glass and framing of the cockpit dont look real. Something strange there.