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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JB88 on January 22, 2005, 12:47:43 AM
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way back, when i was on the debate team, we would have to have prepared briefs which were meant to refute any logic that we forsaw coming our way.
our favorite way to do this was to prove that everything led to nuclear war.
i once proved that the new jersy mafia was responsible for acid rain and that any attempts to alter current environmental impacts by the mafia would lead to thermonuclear war.
i had perfect sources. it was a smooth arguement and very effective not by virtue of its actuall existance, but by logical leaps made by connecting respected sources.
that was then. i was young. it was the arguement that mattered, now i could care less about winning and more about
making it work for the better.
many of the posts that i read hear remind me of those days when it was about winning and advancing to the "F.U" round.
but hey. thats just me.
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You know I love you, right?
Good.
Capitalize the first letter of the first word in each and every one of yer sentences.
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Not just you.
There'a a lot of other good guys here
(excluding myself :D ).
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I thought JB88 was funny before he obtained this "I'm too cool to debate" BS after getting spanked in a few debates.
Anything can be proved quoting any source if you know how to present yourself. It doesn't mean anything.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Anything can be proved quoting any source if you know how to present yourself. It doesn't mean anything.
Holy, genius.....
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Originally posted by Nash
Holy, genius.....
Yes they really grow on trees in here, donīt they?
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just something wrong.
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naw nash, i've been omitting capitals for years.
just don't find em all that neccessary.
and lasersailor, i have yet to feel spanked.
just not gonna argue a point to riduculum, or make boom and zooms on others posts without actually contributing topics.
i am sure that i will spank you many times before i vanish. dont worry. you dont bug me. keep trying though. let me in your head.
:aok
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Really good to have you back, JB88, I mean it.
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While were at it,, I would like to ask you something that have bothered me a little. If the veterans association had about 27000 applications for military personal wounded in Iraq prior to spring 2004 (pre Falluja), how comes The US Goverment only acknowledge roughly half of these figures wounded? Even claiming that many returned to service?
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Originally posted by patrone
Really good to have you back, JB88, I mean it.
sir.
couldnt bear the thought of missing out on such a fine collection of well honed (yet so perfectly contradictory) thoughts by right leaning neo-fascist bullyboys. not that its rare on the web, but id have to find another address, and then get them all peed off before theyd realize how ineffibly ineffective they were with thier insideous cyber insults. its just easier this way.
:aok
authors note: i mean that with love. i have nothing but respect for my brothers and thier opinions, be they extreme, verbose, laterally challenged or otherwise inflammatory. its more a nod of respect that one might see just before the judo kick to the skull.
:)
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Originally posted by patrone
While were at it,, I would like to ask you something that have bothered me a little. If the veterans association had about 27000 applications for military personal wounded in Iraq prior to spring 2004 (pre Falluja), how comes The US Goverment only acknowledge roughly half of these figures wounded? Even claiming that many returned to service?
hmmmm. nuke? any thought on this?
grun?
i would argue that it is all marketing, that much like beef that has sat in the cooler too long, its starts to lose its color...ya gotta add some food coloring and rewrap it without the blood pool.
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reason sovereign
style futile
"debates" here are what the posters make of them, and if the wanted output of the forum were irreducible truth, the threads'd mostly be bloatware.
There should be a rank and score system so thread milking could really be a fair and square competition.
rhetorical toolsheds.
garage carpet raincheck-perk points.
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Originally posted by moot
reason sovereign
style futile
"debates" here are what the posters make of them, and if the wanted output of the forum were irreducible truth, the threads'd mostly be bloatware.
There should be a rank and score system so thread milking could really be a fair and square competition.
rhetorical toolsheds.
garage carpet raincheck-perk points.
oooooh, that was nice!
was that a bongo drum i heard in the background?
thats what im talkin bout brother.
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no, just methane as i popped whatever came to mind into the keyboard.
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lol
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Originally posted by patrone
While were at it,, I would like to ask you something that have bothered me a little. If the veterans association had about 27000 applications for military personal wounded in Iraq prior to spring 2004 (pre Falluja), how comes The US Goverment only acknowledge roughly half of these figures wounded? Even claiming that many returned to service?
The applications were for veterans benefits not necessarily for wounded benefits. I would say most of these are from soldiers suffering Post tramatic stress syndrome (probably after returning home) and are therefore not counted by the government as casualties although they probably should be.
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thanks raider :)
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ok, further question, about wounded: sorry
Ramstein surgons claim that they recived like 10,000 wounded from Iraq by end of fall 2003. About 3000 amputation had been perfomed, would you claim this to be BS?
Further more, there is claims that there are atleast 30,000 greencard holders serving USA defence forces in Iraq and that their deaths/wounds are not reported. A person that dies after coming under medic care is claimed not to be counted as a "death". Could there be any truth in this?
Could the real figures of dead US personal in Iraq, Already be much higher than it was after the first 2 years in Vietnam?
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i declare this thread officially "non topic"
roll with it.
whatever it is.
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Sorry for "stealing" it....I will behave
back to the "meanwhile, back........."
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no. seriously.
i like it.
its an interesting question.
thats why i am saying, lets make it off topic here and roll with it or whatever else stems from it.
its not like my post was all that interesting anyways...lol.
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No, seriously, it would only cause poblems an emails and.....better stop here.
I have another question though. Is it true that Rumsfield Wonīt parpeciate in the Security conference at Munich, Germany, because he is affraid of getting prosecuted for war crimes?
press play (http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1465263,00.html)
I think that Germany wouldīnt dare, not as long as Rumsfield are holding his office.
But Powell, he should stay at home, just like Kissinger been doing
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i know nothing about that. is the article that you posted a reliable source or is it the german equivelent of the new york post?
a fair question yes?
and the casualties. where are you getting this information from?
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Originally posted by JB88
i know nothing about that. is the article that you posted a reliable source or is it the german equivelent of the new york post?
a fair question yes?
and the casualties. where are you getting this information from?
To tell you the truth, about the German newpaper, I dont know.
The casulties? It was discussed at CNN a while ago (june I think). I safe stuff like this in text files, because "issues" like this are quickly burid and the links disapere, its a mistery, really.
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thats just it.
so much information to process.
pops in. pops out.
i cant say as its a completely outrageous possibility. but id like to think that it is.
then again immigrants have often been enlisted to fight in wars historically so i suppose its possible.
anyone killed in action should be accounted for irregardless. i dont think anyone would disagree with that.
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You see, just like the Russians didīnt like Stalin, they still formed up behind him when the Germans attacked.
Same thing is happening in Iraq. They didīnt like Saddam all that much, but years of suffering from embargos and stuff, kinda had the opposite effect then the Naive Bush thought.
Instead of embracing the invaders, they are bombing them and shooting them when ever they can.
Before he got re-elected, he couldīnt admit defeat in Iraq. But now, he will, just wait until after the elections are over in Iraq.
By the end of March, the last US soldier will have left Iraq.
And security will be uphold by UN-troops from Russia, France, Germany, etc, etc
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Boo! Hiss!
There, I saved 'them' a lot of time.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Boo! Hiss!
There, I saved 'them' a lot of time.
hehehehe,,, you olībrusselsprout.
How ya doing?
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i just dont invision american forces withdrawing anytime soon. though many of us would like to see it happen.
as powell spoke of the pottery barn principle "you bought it, you own it" so it is, though i am genuinely sorry to see him go and i feel that he was generally underutilized in his role. he certainly never had the visible clarity of view that baker had,
i think that he was probably pretty forward about it all in the war room...probably a bit of an idealist and that didnt sit well.
anyway, its there. were in it.
i have a tendancy to think that we should try to find a way to make it come out positive, to keep tweaking it until its right, but im not sure i see that happening either.
i also have a tendancy to believe that free will is more of an incentive to a people than force, but that is only because my logic speaks it. we can say that is what we are doing there, opening the door to it, but i am skeptical of that. some of americas good friends give thier people no sufferage whatsoever.
i was for the war in afghanistan because it was a clear retaliation for an attack on the US. not just our military (pentagon) but our people and our way of life.
i was against iraq because i genuinely felt that it represented everything that is bad about the imperialistic side of our, and many other countries historical culture.
i also have a tendancy to believe that we have the ingenuity to reduce our dependency on oil rather than trying so hard to continue smoking it. (the great big ball of tar that is the mid east crack pipe and the dealers that come with it)
but that is because i am an idealist.
and maybe it is true what you said, because i am somewhat nationalistic...i happen to like american ideals and most things about our way of life.
so i too want to defend it. to me, freedom of mind and spirit and the right to question authority are a large part of that nationalism.
but projecting it on others is something else entirely.
projecting freedom upon it when we dont elsewhere is suspect to me. i see iraq as pure economics.
its interesting to consider that the soviets established the eastern bloc as a defensive shield against the west.
(not a good thing for them was it?)
but im pretty sure that thier excursion into afghanistan was for less than defensive reasons.
america was outraged by that one.
reagan was for sure.
but then, the globalization map is an interesting thing isnt it?
as far as maps and mapwatchers go. theres only one game in town.
its been that way since when.
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I am well thank you, getting the new puter in about 1 hour... so I'm like a 3 year old again, realy :D
*jumps up & down!!!*
Rats my sciatic's acting again! ouch!!!
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im gonna have to reedit that last post i think.
not quite itd how i meant to say it...sort of rambly.
time for bed.
congrats on your new system saintaw
88
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to get this back on topic... If you are such a masterdebater..
How come you look so ridiculous when you try to make a point here? Guess it doesn't translate well to adults huh?
lazs
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Originally posted by patrone
ok, further question, about wounded: sorry
Ramstein surgons claim that they recived like 10,000 wounded from Iraq by end of fall 2003. About 3000 amputation had been perfomed, would you claim this to be BS?
Further more, there is claims that there are atleast 30,000 greencard holders serving USA defence forces in Iraq and that their deaths/wounds are not reported. A person that dies after coming under medic care is claimed not to be counted as a "death". Could there be any truth in this?
Could the real figures of dead US personal in Iraq, Already be much higher than it was after the first 2 years in Vietnam?
I would say 3000 is not the right number but cant find information regarding it....Out of 10,000 wounded 5000 were wounded Returned to Duty and 5000 were not. 3000 out ot 5000 although unlikely is not outside the realm of possibility by any means. perhaps you can provide the link to your info...
This is the DOD casualty report
http://www.dod.gov/news/casualty.pdf
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Originally posted by patrone
To tell you the truth, about the German newpaper, I dont know.
The casulties? It was discussed at CNN a while ago (june I think). I safe stuff like this in text files, because "issues" like this are quickly burid and the links disapere, its a mistery, really.
usually if the link disappears it is because the story is no longer credible...
also saw the same report on Rummy on al-jazeera.net
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Originally posted by patrone
ok, further question, about wounded: sorry
Ramstein surgons claim that they recived like 10,000 wounded from Iraq by end of fall 2003. About 3000 amputation had been perfomed, would you claim this to be BS?
Further more, there is claims that there are atleast 30,000 greencard holders serving USA defence forces in Iraq and that their deaths/wounds are not reported. A person that dies after coming under medic care is claimed not to be counted as a "death". Could there be any truth in this?
Could the real figures of dead US personal in Iraq, Already be much higher than it was after the first 2 years in Vietnam?
Saw this same rumor a while back. It stated if they did not die in Iraq then they were not reported as deaths. Found no evidence to support this and even if true doubt it would change our #'s by more than 100 or so. I would think not many soldiers who are seriously wounded and receive medical treatment in Iraq and then survive a trip outside of Iraq to Ramstien only then to die. That would take what 10-15 hours? Not many wounds would do this to you if you are already in our medical care. Any life-threatening wounds could be taken care of in Iraq or on hospital ships that are there. The green card issue sounds unreasonable as well and if true doubt it would change the #'s much.
here is a link to a report of green card holders deaths reported..
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-04-08-noncitizen-usat_x.htm
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>>right leaning neo-fascist bullyboys<<
A while back someone posted asking for ideas for names of a band. Well look no further !
Right Leaning Neo-fascist Bullyboys
If thats not a band of 2010, I dunno what is.
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Thank you Raider for your answers. You remember they where questions, not statements, I hope?
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yep :)
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Originally posted by JB88
i once proved that the new jersy mafia was responsible for acid rain and that any attempts to alter current environmental impacts by the mafia would lead to thermonuclear war.
i had perfect sources. it was a smooth arguement and very effective not by virtue of its actuall existance, but by logical leaps made by connecting respected sources.
All that shows is that you didn't know the difference between corrolation and causality.
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Originally posted by JB88
sir.
couldnt bear the thought of missing out on such a fine collection of well honed (yet so perfectly contradictory) thoughts by right leaning neo-fascist bullyboys. not that its rare on the web, but id have to find another address, and then get them all peed off before theyd realize how ineffibly ineffective they were with thier insideous cyber insults. its just easier this way.
:aok
authors note: i mean that with love. i have nothing but respect for my brothers and thier opinions, be they extreme, verbose, laterally challenged or otherwise inflammatory. its more a nod of respect that one might see just before the judo kick to the skull.
:)
Better watch it there Walter Mitty. Pump that head of yours any bigger and it might just pop!
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JB88, in your mind you are a great debater.
I love your style:
1. I'm about to tell you something, content to follow
2. Really, pretty soon I'm about to show you something amazing that will make you understand.
3. Pretty soon, I'm going to tell you what I'm talking about
4. Look, I'm going to really lay down a great argument....pretty soon.....stay tuned.
5. Okay, we all agree that I'm about to reveal my arguments. Can we all agree on this point?
Did you ever actually get around to explaining why Iraq was and will always be a total mess, or did I miss something?
Man, you would be okay if you didn't set yourself up so poorly.
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Originally posted by lazs2
to get this back on topic... If you are such a masterdebater..
How come you look so ridiculous when you try to make a point here? Guess it doesn't translate well to adults huh?
lazs
never claimed to be laz.
and your sock puppet looks quite ridiculous.
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Originally posted by NUKE
JB88, in your mind you are a great debater.
I love your style:
1. I'm about to tell you something, content to follow
2. Really, pretty soon I'm about to show you something amazing that will make you understand.
3. Pretty soon, I'm going to tell you what I'm talking about
4. Look, I'm going to really lay down a great argument....pretty soon.....stay tuned.
5. Okay, we all agree that I'm about to reveal my arguments. Can we all agree on this point?
Did you ever actually get around to explaining why Iraq was and will always be a total mess, or did I miss something?
Man, you would be okay if you didn't set yourself up so poorly.
well, perhaps you are right. im open to that.
but i think that you are being a bite selective and extreme.
you might also note that i had already even posted a note saying that i would need to re-edit the thought because it wasnt as clear as i would have liked it to have beenl
to me, a BB is as much a conversation as it is anything else.
i have nothing against you, nor do i have anything against the idea of changing my mind. but that doesnt mean that i should do so to satisfy anothers thought process, nor does it mean that i should harbor some deeper respect for those who make it personal.
an interesting case in point, when i was out last night i had a long talk with a friend of mine who is a recently retired army military intelligence specialist.
he gave me some great perspective on the matter regarding taiwan.
though he and i both agreed that the nuclear option simply wasnt an option as the us has no missle shield and the environmental consequences would be devastating globally. (we are still seeing ill effects from nuclear activity) but he did say that we would have to cut china off at the pass, because once they reached the shore of taiwan and infultrated, a geurilla war would be inevitable.
he changed my mind on some things.
i didnt mind that.
interestingly. he thinks iraq is a total screw up too.
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Originally posted by Habu
Better watch it there Walter Mitty. Pump that head of yours any bigger and it might just pop!
its humor habu.
walter mitty, thats funny.
if youd like ill send you a sock puppet.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
All that shows is that you didn't know the difference between corrolation and causality.
and how is that praytell?