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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: doobs on January 23, 2005, 12:04:15 AM
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Even with all the bravado talked here, the organized squads can't be stopped. Horde smorde, we go 10 strong, and even though we can easlily hit the tool sheds, we have the fiters to fight off anybody. do doo doo do do do do can't touch us.:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
68th, pigstompers, JB's, 113 lucky strikes, JG44 nighthawks, and the freebirds, and dont forget the MAW
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Originally posted by doobs
Even with all the bravado talked here, the organized squads can't be stopped. Horde smorde, we go 10 strong , and even though we can easlily hit the tool sheds, we have the fiters to fight off anybody. do doo doo do do do do can't touch us.:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
68th, pigstompers, JB's, 113 lucky strikes, JG44 nighthawks, and the freebirds, and dont forget the MAW
OK, I am a bit confused....You go 10 strong as in 10 pilots and take Defended bases or did you mean you go 10 Squads strong and take undefended bases.....I personally don't think 10 of your pilots could take a base if I had 10 pilots there to meet ya. Not trying to start anything here, just not clear what you meant is all.
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
OK, I am a bit confused....You go 10 strong as in 10 pilots and take Defended bases or did you mean you go 10 Squads strong and take undefended bases.....I personally don't think 10 of your pilots could take a base if I had 10 pilots there to meet ya. Not trying to start anything here, just not clear what you meant is all.
LOL a legend in his own mind.
See ya in the air hotshot.
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Lame reply...
That did not even come close to answering my question Hotshot.
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ok ill bite,
ill put my money where my mouth is...rules! one base per team, each team has ten players to try to defend and take opponents base,,, who want's in on this action?
p.s. you can pork anything but troops, fuel and ord
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uh that would be 10 pilots, don't discredit the strat squads we all have good fiters. It's amazing that organized squads dont get credit for good fiters, most of us have been flying along time and have some skills. BTW we flew into the heart of the bish even numbers and still took it. One last thing, I've noticed strat squads will fly into the heart of the the furball and engage to save anybody, give up there mission for the sake of helping a team mate. don't see that from non strat squads.
And Devil when ya rotate back we got to get together for a drink I'm buying, the least I can do for a American Patriot.
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What my estemed brother in arms is basically saying the following: "a 6 year old with down syndrome can take a base that is undefended by organized and competent squads - i.e. LTAR's before they went WW2 - they dug in like ticks."
What you need to do, if you want to prove your point of really having smaller genitalia then you claim - is if you can take a base with LESS then superior firepower - i.e. P40's or A20's - etc.
That my friend, if you pull it off - i'll Fedex you the booze.
Wolfala
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/204_1099906276_p40bmission1.jpg)
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Thanks doobs for clearing that up for me. Like I stated earlier, I wasn't trying to start anything, was just unclear what you meant. Still have a hard time believing 10 pilots going to a base to take it and are met by 10 pilots are going to take in there 1st attempt. Not to say it couldn't, I just have a hard time thinking they could.
As for Devil, The squad I am in will take that challege. Contact SHawk and set something up. (or shoot me an e-mail at sfchondo@gmail.com) Should be a fun time.
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wow...nice pic, Wolfala. :)
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And since Hondo is worth any 10 of the rest of us, he's gonna take you all by himself.
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Your to funny Heretic........
Ofcourse I might have a chance, due to them laughing so hard when they just saw me, they all auger, but that's prolly wishful thinking.
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Oh come off it Hondo, you're being too modest. You know you could take em all with one hispano tied behind your yellow Chog. At least that's what you said on channel last night :rofl
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LOL Heretic, Can you say: Delusional or maybe you were just (http://www.websmileys.com/sm/crazy/1062.gif)
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another "we are proud about being horde monkies" thread, you guys are starting to piss me off.
so what you basicly saying is... you have alot of players, and you attacking bases with far fewer defenders (if any)
AND you are proud about it.
that is pretty sad dude.
so to sum things up, you guys gave up trying to fight in the air,
*cough* cause you suck *cough* and are pounding buildings.
and devilm, you are just pathetic man... really snap out of it.
"ohhh lets look who can pork the bases the fastest" LOL
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there are sqads that do this? Sheesh... all this time I thought the strat part of the game was to give wives/girlfriends and people who couldn't work a joystick something to pretend to do.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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are you saying that wives/girlfriends and people who couldn't work a joystick are not allowed to form in too squads?
you sir should be ashamed!
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If you are saying that their not any good fighter pilots in WoT our other large high ranked squad then your wrong. I could post a film of wot in action with another very well know squad fighter on fighter and you can see for yourself. Our we can have a 10v10 fighter duel and see, all in good fun. Hell what do i know i am still new (:
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They wont hold out forever FB.
All will be Assimulated into the Furball underground:D
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Originally posted by FX1
If you are saying that their not any good fighter pilots in WoT
I think thats what hes saying.
THUD.
Hits ya like a ton o bricks eh? :lol
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If he said that he would be on the list like a few other's. I think one of the highest is JB 42 but its because of respect and shawk always looking for him lol
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Heh the good ol' strat heroes.
You see a few bugs on the most remote field of the whole map, far far away from any real action.
You up your plane to see what's going on.
Well well, aren't the milkers early on the move. Buzzing around the undefended field like flies on a turrd.
So you shoot 'em all down. Usually an easy job. Return home with spent ammo.
The strat guys either move on to another field or they rely that their 10:0 tactics can handle the odd 1 fighting enemy. Most of the times I could stop a field take all by myself if I bothered to fight 10:1 long enough.
Strat is great on defended fields, but milkers should really go and play offline IMO.
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[SIZE=40] Fighter Hanger[/SIZE]
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Looong live the FURBALL UNDERGROUND!! meuahahahah!
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Originally posted by FX1
If you are saying that their not any good fighter pilots in WoT our other large high ranked squad then your wrong. I could post a film of wot in action with another very well know squad fighter on fighter and you can see for yourself. Our we can have a 10v10 fighter duel and see, all in good fun. Hell what do i know i am still new (:
i Have no idea what "WOT" is, but what the hell, i bet they suck :p
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:rofl this is too funny to be true, this has got to be a troll.
Horde smorde, we go 10 strong, and even though we can easlily hit the tool sheds, we have the fiters to fight off anybody. do doo doo do do do do can't touch us
:lol :rofl is this real?!:confused:
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
ok ill bite,
ill put my money where my mouth is...rules! one base per team, each team has ten players to try to defend and take opponents base,,, who want's in on this action?
p.s. you can pork anything but troops, fuel and ord
Is that what the game really means to you? Grabbing fields as quick as you can against little resistance? That would be like going through life never runing into or even knowing about the opposite sex...
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Originally posted by FX1
If you are saying that their not any good fighter pilots in WoT our other large high ranked squad then your wrong. I could post a film of wot in action with another very well know squad fighter on fighter and you can see for yourself. Our we can have a 10v10 fighter duel and see, all in good fun. Hell what do i know i am still new (:
Originally posted by Flyboy
i Have no idea what "WOT" is, but what the hell, i bet they suck :p
FX1 he wasn't originally talking about WoT, He was refering to Strat Squads I believe. As far as his last statement about us sucking, he threw that in because...well, who knows why....or cares....LOL
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Ok, this thread lost all credibility when I seen him say "10 pilots" and "MAW" in the same sentence.
Everytime you shoot down a MAW, there is all 50 of them all around each other.
heh, good luck with that Hondo. :)
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Originally posted by Flyboy
another "we are proud about being horde monkies" thread, you guys are starting to piss me off.
so what you basicly saying is... you have alot of players, and you attacking bases with far fewer defenders (if any)
AND you are proud about it.
that is pretty sad dude.
so to sum things up, you guys gave up trying to fight in the air,
*cough* cause you suck *cough* and are pounding buildings.
and devilm, you are just pathetic man... really snap out of it.
"ohhh lets look who can pork the bases the fastest" LOL
all time biggest jerk award goes too...
how old are you flyboy? does your mom know you talk this much smack to people?
or is this the only time you can talk sh8t because you get smacked around for it in real life?
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Originally posted by Stang
Is that what the game really means to you? Grabbing fields as quick as you can against little resistance? That would be like going through life never runing into or even knowing about the opposite sex...
i said ten vrs. ten, i thought i said ten vrs. ten..... didnt i say ten vrs. ten?
ohh well, i guess no one really ever reads these posts right...
doobs post's a post saying basically "hey good job the other night" and we've got some people crying !!! what did you get your feelings hurt or were you one of the ones getting stomped...by the people doobs was complimenting?
stop *****ing just because your not one of the ones he's giveing respect too.
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(http://ghostdepot.com/rg/images/utah/cisco%20outhouse%20building%20tlh%20Pc200105.jpg)
You strat horde guys sure do a job on us!
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I do ! I actually was flying near a base last nite in a 190A5 (far cry from normal ride) and the intensity was palletable. Knights had like 15 people there. It was intense even tho no one was upping and the range Channel going nuts with cries for "Come on guys hit the town...Lets get this town down guys..come on fellas...need a lil help on this town" It was pure adreneline.
Well being the team player that I am..I promptly JUMPED at the chance to do good for the cause. I unloaded 4 cannon rounds into a building. I know I know I know..it was a horrible thing to do and I felt dirty afterwards. I told my squaddie who was augering at the time while trying to be a good hero and shoot those mean ole buildings , that I had helped. It choked him up so bad he lost it near the radio tower and just crashed. Horrible site it was.
The building (may it rest it peace) put up a heck of a fight. I mean I blasted that thing with 4 cannon rounds and it stood there like it was nothing. Mike "Bite your ear off" Tyson doesn't hit that hard. But , that building took it. I didn't have the heart to hit it again so I just left it. Some horrible person came by and killed it tho shortly after I left the scene to go and kill some guns at another base.
So you Building Bombers Strat Guys.....For all you do....This reset is for you.:aok
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Sounds just like the knights to take 15 guys to an undefended field and just wait for vulches.
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Originally posted by Raider179
Sounds just like the knights to take 15 guys to an undefended field and just wait for vulches.
Sounds like all the countries, actually. On any given night (with a large map) you will find two hordes going after various toolsheds against minimal resistance.
There could be a great fight if they both butted heads, but since many of the people in each horde are too damn stupid to figure out how to:
A) open up the clipboard
B) scroll away from their front
C) figure out what needs to be hit at a field on there own anyway
D) Deal with a fighter without constantly heading in one direction
... These fights never happen.
...Look, call me an uber-dweeb if you want, but when I first started flying this game I kept a log, if you will. One of my very first entries
June 4th, 2004
On the other hand, there is one thing I can do: dive bomb. Now, I'm not saying I can hit anything yet, but at least I can drop the bomb. Once I figure out how to turn on a dive-bombing sight ( :rofl ) , I'll do much better. At the very least, if I dive straight down from 10,000 feet in a Mustang, I have a decent shot of nailing a large hangar, and that will help my country out a bit
... I think that pretty much sums up what we are seeing in the MA these days. When I was brand new I did exactly what is loathed today. Fortunately, Misfit got me into JG2, a squad that hardly ever does strat (although we've been known to straff down a VH... in tempests... after a formation of bombers levels the FHs... thanks...)
Well anyway, I'm rambling. Let me rap it up. The day the strat guys can actually manage to take a 10k base in one swift mission, I'll congratulate them, as that would prove skill is required for the job. I'll probably never have to though, it seems they'd much prefer to hit the 0k base that's not defended about 50 miles away... And take all night trying to maybe capture it.
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It just astonished me that people refuse to carry ordance. You can always drop it if you encounter enemies. There are very few fights where you need 100% fuel and drop tanks.
The reason a bomber should target FHs and JABOS should target the VH is simple. 1 jabo can drop the VH... 1 JABO CANNOT take out all the FHS... A bomber can....so instead of telling bomber pilots what to hit take some ord and do it. or just go find a furball and stay away from the field. I mean if you dont care about strats and capture what are you doing near enmy airfields besides vulching?
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im just trying to open your eyes little devil. redeem yourself while you still can!
it will be a tough at first, fighting actual people, and you will get your butt kicked alot when not:
spawn camping\ flying with horde\ attacking undefended fields. (chooce the correct answer)
but as time will pass you will see the light...hopefully.
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good point vudak.
the reason we see so much "hording" and building battlers those days is simple.
people just gave up on the challenge of actualy winning a fair fight.
"why should i fight the other guy if i can destroy is hangers, i mean hangers are much easier to kill then spitfires"
the problem is, this method of fighting has become so common. that new players that are coming to AH get cought up to it right awey, and never really learn how to fight.
why did people gave up on the challenge and went for the easier way?
is it human nature?
is it because "its a game" and they dont want any challenges in their game?
everyone has its own exuce i guess. (mind your own business, you are a jerk seems to become pretty common lately :rolleyes: )
luckily there are still some who enjoy playing the "old" way, that is actually finding some oposition and fighting it.
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Been playing about 2 months, the fights I like and enjoy are max 5 vs 5. Any bigger than that and it becomes uncontrolled "who can get on ur 6 faster".
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I thought WOT meant wide open throttle
despair... 5 vs 5 is a great fight... ten vs ten is even better tho.
I was wondering... when you getr into a really good fight with a toolshed or outhouse... I mean, one that really puts up a good fight and you get that hard earned victory.... Do you go on 200 and say..
SALUTE TOOLSHED or SALUTE OUTHOUSE.
I can't see why anyone would carry a bomb... you don't have to. They simply slow down the plane for no reason and... what if you forgot to drop it? If you simply like the challenge of dogfiting with the bomb on board handycap then you are better at this than me.
And no... I don't think wives/girlfriends should be able to form squads.... hell.. I don't even think women should be able to vote.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by Wolfala
What my estemed brother in arms is basically saying the following: "a 6 year old with down syndrome can take a base that is undefended by organized and competent squads - i.e. LTAR's before they went WW2 - they dug in like ticks."
What you need to do, if you want to prove your point of really having smaller genitalia then you claim - is if you can take a base with LESS then superior firepower - i.e. P40's or A20's - etc.
That my friend, if you pull it off - i'll Fedex you the booze.
Wolfala
I've taken bases with a6m2s and ki67s....
Oh yeah - and I forgot - We've taken a base with PT boats before too....
what kind of booze are you sending?
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Originally posted by Raider179
Sounds just like the knights to take 15 guys to an undefended field and just wait for vulches.
All sides do it.
Rooks are just as notorious for it. Bish too when they can.
Funny thing is the strat guys can be stopped but people get caught up in their own little world and do nothing.
On a parody of an old joke.
How many furballers does it take to stop a the landgrab horde?
None, They would rather just sit there and whine about it.
If you dont like the "toolshed killers"
Kill them. Dont just piss n moan about em
Some of us actually do fight against the horde.
I do a little bit of everything depending on my mood though typically I dont partake in the hordes intentionally (they often just show up where I happen to be)
But of everything I've done here the best and most intence fights I've been in are usually in defending against the horde/landgrab
My opinion, compaired to the anti horde fight, a dedicated furball with nohing at stake is a mere mindless merry go round. Fun for a few turns, but quickly gets old and boring.
But thats just my opinion.
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That's exactly the point.
You can go sealclubbing the skill impaired milkers 10:1 only for so long untill you get tired. Or shot down eventually.
Worst is if they spawn gv's all over and cover the aircraft with their golden bb's.
You notice the dots on the map and you think: why bother go alone to fight 10 AGAIN.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
That's exactly the point.
You can go sealclubbing the skill impaired milkers 10:1 only for so long untill you get tired. Or shot down eventually.
Worst is if they spawn gv's all over and cover the aircraft with their golden bb's.
You notice the dots on the map and you think: why bother go alone to fight 10 AGAIN.
Alot of the milkrunners are skill impaired but
alot of those milkrunners are anything but skill impaired.
Thing is it doesnt have to be 10 on 1 if the people that complained most about them did more then just whine about milkrunners.
Go attack them wherever you see them and you've just created another furball situation.
Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out where these folks are headed. Bushwhack em.
Typically when they start spawning GVs all you need to do is put the info out on the radio buffer and your own GV crowd starts showing up.
also there are some folks here that are very good at egging GVs and take delight in doing so.
Thing is people can complain about something or actually do something about it.
Not "you" specifically but
If your not willing to do somethign about it then you have no right to complain.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
the reason we see so much "hording" and building battlers those days is simple.
people just gave up on the challenge of actualy winning a fair fight.
Perhaps there are other FNGs that that grab a fighter, fly for fifteen minutes, see a red guy, he goes this way, you go that way, *BOOM* you are back in the tower saying "Gee, that was fun" NOT!
Now, I'm not trying to imply anything here, you guys are speculating about why people stay with a pack and I am giving you one from a noobs point of view. In my case rather go with hordes, I went with base defense, acks and Ostis. If I can take out 5 attackers, some times more with reups, I.
1: live longer
2: get to watch the enemas come apart
3: help the fighters get up in the air
4: blunt the attack
5: help prevent the base from being captured.
6: get a sense of accomplishment when I see messages saying: Are we gonna lose A***
Yup...
And we don't because we held until the bad guys give up or help finally arrives.
But I digress, back to the point, I would guess, safety in numbers would be a primary reason for the horde, getting your head handed to you, knowing that you don't stand much of a chance individually causes you to go with a group. You still see action, after a fact, and you don't die as quick.
The school of fish theroy, a lone fish is a single target for the shark, in a school of fish your chances of being the target is reduced.
Now I know people are going to be saying "You need to fly and die to learn ACM" This is probably true to some extent. And I do fly and I die. If I attack inbound bombers and I get one before I die or I have oil all over my screen, I have had a good attack. I see others take flight after flight of bombers out on a single base defense mission so I know it can be done. Eventually, I hope to get there. If I get a fighter I am surprised if I get a kill and it was probably a HO and I got lucky if I survived it. It also usually means I'll be dead in thirty seconds. I don't think I landed any kills in a fighter, which is no big deal Most of my landings have been out of gas or just about out of gas. I try to stay too light I guess.
Anyway, I have fun jumping from attacked base to attacked base as long as the Ack or VH is up so I can get an Osti. Be nice if the targeting was better.
I'm sure I'll grow tired of this aspect of the game and spend more time in the air as I aquire skills. But it sure is fun when I can take out several aircraft vulching a base and imagining those guys whineing about get shot down by the ack....
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Your right all sides do it. I guess the point I was trying to express was people who make fun of "toolshedders" for attacking stationary targets are the same ones who have no problem vulching. Taking out buildings or vulching requires little skill but BOTH are necessities of the game.
I have a lot more respect for the toolshedders and the reason is simple. They are team players. Seems like some think all the toolshedders do is attack the town, fhs, vh and such. I always carry ord unless defending a base and If I have to drop it to engage a fighter I do. I think you guys way underestimate the skill level of a lot of toolshedders. They think outside of their little meaningless rank and score and landing their little 3 kills and actually try to help take bases. I realize not all are interested in that aspect but then why bother flying in the MA.
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Lye-El
As a new guy here you cannot really win. People will tell you to fly and die so you can learn. The reality is, fly by yourself and you will get ganged by the same people. Not mach fun or learnig there. Just a lot of time climing. Flying with the hord wont do it either cause even though it is safe, the vets will beat you to the kill or there wont even be a fight.
You need to find a few guys and fly with them. Two or three total and just go looking for fighters (not a hord. No sence in getting ito a 3 on 15). This way you can get into a fight, and someone can wach your six if you get in troble. After all, you learn by spending time in the air and not in the tower. I am on every night if you want to team up but I am afraid you would end up having to clear my six :D
Eventually however, you will enjoy getting in to a plane flying low over the water, get into a 3 on 1 and come back to land your kills.
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As a new guy here you cannot really win. People will tell you to fly and die so you can learn. The reality is, fly by yourself and you will get ganged by the same people. Not mach fun or learnig there. Just a lot of time climing. Flying with the hord wont do it either cause even though it is safe, the vets will beat you to the kill or there wont even be a fight.
You need to find a few guys and fly with them. Two or three total and just go looking for fighters (not a hord. No sence in getting ito a 3 on 15). This way you can get into a fight, and someone can wach your six if you get in troble. After all, you learn by spending time in the air and not in the tower. I am on every night if you want to team up but I am afraid you would end up having to clear my six
Eventually however, you will enjoy getting in to a plane flying low over the water, get into a 3 on 1 and come back to land your kills.
Great advice and True!
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exellent post lye-El.
this is exactly my point.
no one started playing this game as an ace. we all got our butt kicked, but we moved on, we didnt gave up, and went for GVs or manned acks, and we learned.
now days i see alot of new guys doing exactly what you describe, they cant hendle it, so they give up on trying to learn, thinking "wow i could never beat this guy" and the settle for flying with the horde and using field guns to get their kills.
well, i have no right to criticize you, but i found this phenomenon (which is becoming more and more common unfortunatly) well just frustrating.
i cant order or demnand you to stop playing the way you do, i can only offer my help. teaching you.
its fairly simple actualy, all you need is a will to learn, there are alot of vets out there that would love to help out newbies, all you need is too ask.
visit the training arena, ask on channel 200, post on the training forum, email AH trainers ( a bunch of great guys who help out new guys on their free time)
dedalos advise is one of the best ways to learn, find people that want the same thing as you and just hang around with them, learn the trade.
dont be ashamed to ask for help or dumb questions (ignore the alt F4 tards :) ) and never ever give up.
you will be amazed how fast you climb the learning curve.
i started working with a bunch of new guys acouple of weeks ago, they are playing this game for barely 2 months and are allready landing multiple kill sorties.
so to sum things up, there are alot of great guys willing to help out new guys who want to learn ACMs, its up to the newbie himself to decide if he will take the challenge of learning the trade of air to air fighting, or choose the "easy" way, who demand much less skill, killing buildings, fighting inside a horde, or using manned ack\ GVs to get kills.
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I don't get it... If you are no good in fighters then you need to keep getting killed untill you get good in fighters.... the more times you get into fights the sooner you get better.
killing outhouses does no good at all.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Originally posted by lazs2
I don't get it... If you are no good in fighters then you need to keep getting killed untill you get good in fighters.... the more times you get into fights the sooner you get better.
killing outhouses does no good at all.
lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
As long as you get a chance to fight.
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Thanks for the new wallpaper Wolfala!! :)
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Doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out where these folks are headed. Bushwhack em.
Heh the most memorable sortie I've had in AH was the time when I intercepted the bish horde en route to a field.
I was in a pony with mucho alt, mucho speed and mucho balls.
The horde consisted of at least 15 bogies, mossies, ponies, spitfires etc.
In I go, shooting 7 of them down in a single pass as they were in a neat row.
I will never forget that pass.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
exellent post lye-El.
this is exactly my point.
no one started playing this game as an ace. we all got our butt kicked, but we moved on, we didnt gave up, and went for GVs or manned acks, and we learned.
now days i see alot of new guys doing exactly what you describe, they cant hendle it, so they give up on trying to learn, thinking "wow i could never beat this guy" and the settle for flying with the horde and using field guns to get their kills.
well, i have no right to criticize you, but i found this phenomenon (which is becoming more and more common unfortunatly) well just frustrating.
i cant order or demnand you to stop playing the way you do, i can only offer my help. teaching you.
its fairly simple actualy, all you need is a will to learn, there are alot of vets out there that would love to help out newbies, all you need is too ask.
visit the training arena, ask on channel 200, post on the training forum, email AH trainers ( a bunch of great guys who help out new guys on their free time)
dedalos advise is one of the best ways to learn, find people that want the same thing as you and just hang around with them, learn the trade.
dont be ashamed to ask for help or dumb questions (ignore the alt F4 tards :) ) and never ever give up.
you will be amazed how fast you climb the learning curve.
i started working with a bunch of new guys acouple of weeks ago, they are playing this game for barely 2 months and are allready landing multiple kill sorties.
so to sum things up, there are alot of great guys willing to help out new guys who want to learn ACMs, its up to the newbie himself to decide if he will take the challenge of learning the trade of air to air fighting, or choose the "easy" way, who demand much less skill, killing buildings, fighting inside a horde, or using manned ack\ GVs to get kills.
All good points.
I think the main thing is that the MA is a really terrible place for guys to learn to fight fighters these days so they really need to spend time in the TA and DA, to supplement the MA experience.
If you simply fly in the MA and therefore emulate MA flying , you just won't progress anywhere near as fast as spending some time with trainers or guys like flyboy nomak etc
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Heh the most memorable sortie I've had in AH was the time when I intercepted the bish horde en route to a field.
I was in a pony with mucho alt, mucho speed and mucho balls.
The horde consisted of at least 15 bogies, mossies, ponies, spitfires etc.
In I go, shooting 7 of them down in a single pass as they were in a neat row.
I will never forget that pass.
I've attacked several such groups.
I remember 1 group of about the same size I stumbled upon was a flight of rook 38's.
I was astounded as they all held formation as I swooped in on them from their high 9:00.
Killed two outright and damaged another on my first pass.
Banked turned and it wasnt untill I was in on my second run that they finally broke formation.
One guy musta been afk cause he never moved an inch was so exited I missed my first burst at him and he still didnt move. My next burst cleaved him in two..
After that I managed to ping a couple and caused a bunch to drop ord before after an extended game of dogeball that took the majority of them to the deck they finally got me.
Was fun as hell and hadta screw up their plans
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Originally posted by Flyboy
exellent post lye-El.
this is exactly my point.
no one started playing this game as an ace. we all got our butt kicked, but we moved on, we didnt gave up, and went for GVs or manned acks, and we learned.
now days i see alot of new guys doing exactly what you describe, they cant hendle it, so they give up on trying to learn, thinking "wow i could never beat this guy" and the settle for flying with the horde and using field guns to get their kills.
well, i have no right to criticize you, but i found this phenomenon (which is becoming more and more common unfortunatly) well just frustrating.
i cant order or demnand you to stop playing the way you do, i can only offer my help. teaching you.
its fairly simple actualy, all you need is a will to learn, there are alot of vets out there that would love to help out newbies, all you need is too ask.
visit the training arena, ask on channel 200, post on the training forum, email AH trainers ( a bunch of great guys who help out new guys on their free time)
dedalos advise is one of the best ways to learn, find people that want the same thing as you and just hang around with them, learn the trade.
dont be ashamed to ask for help or dumb questions (ignore the alt F4 tards :) ) and never ever give up.
you will be amazed how fast you climb the learning curve.
i started working with a bunch of new guys acouple of weeks ago, they are playing this game for barely 2 months and are allready landing multiple kill sorties.
so to sum things up, there are alot of great guys willing to help out new guys who want to learn ACMs, its up to the newbie himself to decide if he will take the challenge of learning the trade of air to air fighting, or choose the "easy" way, who demand much less skill, killing buildings, fighting inside a horde, or using manned ack\ GVs to get kills.
i will take you up on that offer when do you want to get together and do some acm.:aok
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now days i see alot of new guys doing exactly what you describe, they cant hendle it, so they give up on trying to learn, thinking "wow i could never beat this guy" and the settle for flying with the horde and using field guns to get their kills.
I will never, EVER, understand how anyone can settle for not trying to be the best in any field of human endeavor. Makes me think most of these guys are teenagers who grew up in soccer leagues where no won "won," they just played to play and score was not kept so no one would feel hurt by losing.
I'll tell ya, I've lost, embarrased myself and just plain sucked on the athletic field (especially the golf course) so many times that I can't believe when it happens again because I thought the last time was so bad it wouldn't be able happen again. Losing teaches you so much, be it in AH or anything in life, that not putting yourself up to the test and seeing what you are made of is pure cowardice. It's easy to succede in easy things (like flying in a horde)... it's very hard to succede in extraordinary things. Put it on the line and see what you've got...
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68racer
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just give me a call anytime you see me online.
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Just to underline what Flyboy is saying.
Me my self and alot of my noob friends have flied with and against flyboy. We all have improved tremendously through this.
First of all the DA training (with flyboy and redd) has tought us how to live longer ON OUR OWN.
Just learning how to avoid HO shots and do good merges prolongs your life in a fight by at least 500%.
Then when flying with flyboy we have almost always gone off the beaten path to find battles of our own.
Smaller fights are actually EASIER to live through, once you have learned the lessons on merges and opening moves, because they are more about flying then cherry picking.
Hoard fights are actually EXTREAMLY demanding on your Situation Awarness. While 2v2, 3v3 and the smaller fights are much more easy on the SA and imho SA is the hardest thing for new pilots as there is soo much to think of as is.
Tex.