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Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: KBall on January 25, 2005, 01:57:38 AM
To bad the tires didn't blow while the kids were slashing them. A really quick lesson in responsibility.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145254,00.html
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: NUKE on January 25, 2005, 02:00:08 AM
They probably where just expressing their freedom of speach. :lol
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: GRUNHERZ on January 25, 2005, 02:26:18 AM
If a bunch of privlaged white republican kids on the Bush campaign payroll did this to a democratic party get out the vote effort in OHIO it would be a national scandal for months. But when a bunch of privlaged politically connected black kids who were actually on the Kerry camapign payroll do this it's barely a story..
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Chairboy on January 25, 2005, 02:36:52 AM
Don't mess with votes.  That's bad no matter who does it.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 04:32:35 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Chairboy
Don't mess with votes.  That's bad no matter who does it.


agreed.

i saw it today and it really ticked me off.

i think it would only be that way though based upon who won though grun...and most of the other stories have all but disappeared.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: SOB on January 25, 2005, 05:49:13 AM
Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
If a bunch of privlaged white republican kids on the Bush campaign payroll did this to a democratic party get out the vote effort in OHIO it would be a national scandal for months. But when a bunch of privlaged politically connected black kids who were actually on the Kerry camapign payroll do this it's barely a story..

Blah blah blah, Liberal media, blah blah blah.  Key word: Ohio.  The kids were idiots.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: T0J0 on January 25, 2005, 07:11:04 AM
The candidates/parents will suffer from the kids actions for the rest of thier lives...
 They will always be known as the candidate that cheated to win...
 And its not over yet either...
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 08:25:38 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SOB
Blah blah blah, Liberal media, blah blah blah.  Key word: Ohio.  The kids were idiots.


They were also paid employees of the Kerry campaign.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: slimm50 on January 25, 2005, 08:28:29 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SOB
Blah blah blah, Liberal media, blah blah blah.  Key word: Ohio.  The kids were idiots.

Heh, SOB, I think you just reinforced his point.:p
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 08:30:20 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Martlet
They were also paid employees of the Kerry campaign.


do i need to start posting the alternative cheating accounts here or can we all just agree that on both sides people can be idiots.  there is plenty.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: OneWordAnswer on January 25, 2005, 08:37:45 AM
Kids????
(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/jan05/caldwell012405-125.jpg)
(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/jan05/howell012405-125.jpg)
(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/jan05/muhammad012405-125.jpg)
(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/jan05/omokunde012405-125.jpg)
(http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/jan05/pratt012405-125.jpg)

http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/jan05/295825.asp
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 08:37:58 AM
Sure.  Start posting stories of the children of elected public officials, in the paid employ of a presidential candidate, attempting to illegally take away a person's right to vote.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: SOB on January 25, 2005, 08:47:13 AM
Quote
Originally posted by OneWordAnswer
Kids????

Relax your sphincter.  The article gave me the impression that they were kids.  So, I guess they're lowlife adults.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 08:49:26 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Martlet
Sure.  Start posting stories of the children of elected public officials, in the paid employ of a presidential candidate, attempting to illegally take away a person's right to vote.


you know what i meant.

you really want to go there?
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 08:50:57 AM
nice post one word.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 08:57:19 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JB88
you know what i meant.

you really want to go there?


Sure. Start posting stories of the children of elected public officials, in the paid employ of a presidential candidate, attempting to illegally take away a person's right to vote.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 09:08:37 AM
martlett,

quick question.

do you believe that any republicans, republican staffers or republican donors were guilty (in a visible and/or known way) of committing acts of voter fraud and/or obstruction of the basic and fundemental right of every american to vote.

simple question.

if yes.  please post the worst example that you know of.

if no.  just say no.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JBA on January 25, 2005, 09:09:15 AM
Quote
Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
If a bunch of privlaged white republican kids on the Bush campaign payroll did this \



It would be a HATE crime.
Title: Re: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB73 on January 25, 2005, 09:13:51 AM
Quote
Originally posted by KBall
Twhile the kids were slashing them.[/url]
umm ages 35 29 30 25 or something like that

son of the acting mayor at the time of the incedent

son of a democrat elected to the us house during that election

others were politically connected too.



Lewis G. Caldwell
Justin Howell
Lavelle Mohammad
Sowande A. Omokunde
Michael Pratt


im just glad it is getting more than a casual mention in the national media. im actually suprised.

too bad mommy representitive and daddy mayor are going to get big name laywers and get them off, AND have no political reprocussions in their careers.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 09:17:16 AM
sort of like the iran contra scandal?

hey, did i ever mention that i got ollie north to sign my copy of machiavelli's "the prince?"  - priceless of you ask me.

its sad when anyone gets away with vote tampering or any other anti-constitutional actions.

its wrong.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 09:18:27 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JB88
martlett,

quick question.

do you believe that any republicans, republican staffers or republican donors were guilty (in a visible and/or known way) of committing acts of voter fraud and/or obstruction of the basic and fundemental right of every american to vote.

simple question.

if yes.  please post the worst example that you know of.

if no.  just say no.


Doesn't matter.  I'm sure there were cases of fraud on both sides.  That isn't what makes this so outrageous.

The SON of a CONGRESSWOMAN and the SON of a former MAYOR who were PAID EMPLOYEES of the KERRY campaign committed ILLEGAL acts of VANDALISM in a DIRECT ATTEMPT to DENY CITIZENS their RIGHT TO VOTE.

THAT'S what makes it news.  Any spin you want to put on it to draw attention from it is fine.  Your back-pedaling now is what is fundementally wrong with the party you support.  Instead of taking care of the problem, you excuse it, and look for something to draw attention away.

That's how sex in the Oval Office while conducting official business then lying about it under oath turns into "just a bj".
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 09:21:13 AM
clinton white house - "that depends upon what the definition of "is" is."

bush white house - "that depends upon what your definition of 'torture' is."




speaking of backpeddling,
you didnt answer my question.

it was a fair one.

please answer it.

oh.  and what party do i support?  enlighten me.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 09:24:16 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JB88
clinton white house - "that depends upon what the definition of "is" is."

bush white house - "that depends upon what your definition of 'torture' is."




speaking of backpeddling,
you didnt answer my question.

it was a fair one.

please answer it.

oh.  and what party do i support?  enlighten me.


I'm not conducting a Press Conference.  I'm commenting on the topic of the thread.  You trying to turn it into a question and answer session exemplifies the behavior I stated in my previous comment.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 09:25:38 AM
and your refusal to put up or shut up only serves to demonstrate what?

enlighten me.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Manedew on January 25, 2005, 09:26:21 AM
Ever heard the name Blackwell?      don't even start .....

republican's have been rediculious in the last two elections ..... they are typicaly savvey enough to not 'slash tires' ..  

but they aren't fooling pleanty of people, they usally fool enough tho'

Democrat's are almost as dirty ... vote Progessive!
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 09:27:33 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JB88
and your refusal to put up or shut up only serves to demonstrates what?

enlighten me.


Put up what?

This is a topic about the liberal sons of elected politicians who are in the paid employ of a presidential candidate attempting to illegally deny a citizen the right to vote to help their boss.

The evidence has been put up?  What else am I supposed to add?   Feel free to stomp your feet and cry because you dislike the news, but it doesn't change it.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 09:28:40 AM
i rest my case.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 09:32:47 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JB88
i rest my case.


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

:aok
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: OneWordAnswer on January 25, 2005, 09:32:58 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JB88
i rest my case.


Undistinguished.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 09:36:59 AM
answer the question.

(http://www.intothewoods.us/HikerMama/chicken.jpg)
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Bodhi on January 25, 2005, 09:38:12 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JB88
i rest my case.



is your r/l so meaningless that you find the need to bore us all with your pointless posts 800+ times in the last month and a half?  

I mean, come on man, get real and step away from your computer.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 09:39:12 AM
2399

its a question aimed at defining whether of not martlette is attacking this because he is actually interested in stopping voter fraud, wherever it may be found and whether or not he is open minded enough to view it objectively or is just latching onto party line.

its a good question.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Bodhi on January 25, 2005, 09:43:31 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JB88
2399


Bodhi = 1.67 per day

JB88 = 14.79 per day

Thanks for reinforcing my point you imbecile.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 09:44:34 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Bodhi
Bodhi = 1.67 per day

JB88 = 14.79 per day

Thanks for reinforcing my point you imbecile.


youre welcome.

i am statistically more verbose.

ok.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: OneWordAnswer on January 25, 2005, 10:43:19 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JB88


i am statistically more verbose.



Supercilious.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 10:45:07 AM
perhaps.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Steve on January 25, 2005, 11:06:31 AM
Quote
you really want to go there?


I do.  Get busy posting  credible stories about where paid employees of the Bush campaign resorted to vadalism and other criminal activities in an effort to stop people from voting.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 11:09:14 AM
will you answer the question steve?
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Bodhi on January 25, 2005, 11:10:18 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JB88
youre welcome.

i am statistically more verbose.

ok.


actually you are more extraneous.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 11:12:48 AM
not really.

not here anyway.

but thanks none the less.

a good word.

bhodi, will YOU answer my question?
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Steve on January 25, 2005, 11:14:11 AM
88 you offered to post similar examples of GOP behavior.  I'm calling you on it.  Put up or STFU
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 11:16:21 AM
my question.

do you believe that any republicans, republican staffers or republican donors were guilty (in a visible and/or known way) of committing acts of voter fraud and/or obstruction of the basic and fundemental right of every american to vote.

(in the 2004 election.  amended for clarification)

simple question.

if yes. please post the worst example that you know of.

if no. just say no.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Steve on January 25, 2005, 11:26:46 AM
88 quit dodging the issue.  You asked if "do you really want to go there"

my answer is YES.


Give me some examples of comparable GOP behavior..
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Bodhi on January 25, 2005, 11:31:27 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JB88
do you believe that any republicans, republican staffers or republican donors were guilty (in a visible and/or known way) of committing acts of voter fraud and/or obstruction of the basic and fundemental right of every american to vote.


Yes, I do believe that there were registered republicans who attempted to engage in harassment of democratic voters, but out right fraud?  The worst example I know of is an allegation that:

Several hundred provisional ballots of registered Democrats disqualified in New Mexico by Republican judge; ballots certified "good" turn out to be all Republican; this news comes as reports indicate provisional ballots are being rejected in New Mexico at higher rates than expected [via reader radtimes, reports in the Albuquerque Tribune]

As for continued Democratic Party Fraud, the following should enlighten you:

Democratic Party Staffers were making calls to Republicans in Ohio with wrong polling site information; Democrats claim volunteers made a mistake and that Democratic voters were also provided incorrect information [via Demos, a report in the Marion Star]

124 fake voter registrations in exchange for crack cocaine in Ohio [via Mark Adams (here and here)]: We have this story in the Toledo Blade about a volunteer Chad Staton hired by a volunteer who in turn worked for the non-partisan but left-leaning NAACP Voter Fund - Staton made up voter registrations with (easily detectable) fraudulent names like Mary Poppins in exchange for crack cocaine.

Tampering of voting machines charged in Yonkers, New York, with the discovery of damaged or missing seals in 22 machines. Recount currently showing significantly shrink in lead for Republican in state Senate race [via Votersunite, this article from a local NBC affiliate

Want me to go on?
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Bodhi on January 25, 2005, 11:33:41 AM
Voter Fraud: Rampant and Blatant
The Democrats have been warning about voter fraud for almost four years now and it looks like they have been strangely prescient. According to constant reports voter fraud this year just may reach epic proportions. Of course what the Democrats will not openly tell you is they are the ones doing it.

First things first. Colorado, which is already set to be a center of controversy, is inundated with forged voter registrations:

9News has discovered a record number of fraudulent voter-registrations across the state. Secretary of State Donetta Davidson tells 9News she is concerned about what the I-Team has uncovered and wants those responsible prosecuted. "It has just gone rampant," she told reporter Deborah Sherman in an interview Monday afternoon.

Some of the registration drive workers earn $2 per application or about $10 an hour. One woman admitted to forging three people's names on about 40 voter registration applications. Kym Cason says she was helping her boyfriend earn more money from a get-out-the-vote organization called ACORN or Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. ACORN works with low or moderate-income families on housing issues. Cason said her extra registrations earned her boyfriend $50.

ACORN's state director said they are victims of the fraud as well and told 9News the group is cooperating with local investigators.

But is this an isolated incident?

Not if you live in Ohio:

Hamilton County election officials will meet this morning to discuss 19 voter registrations for people who may not exist, which would be a rare case of election fraud.

Board of Elections Director John Williams subpoenaed those named on the voter registration cards after similar handwriting and false addresses raised election workers' suspicions. The sheriff's department could not find them, he said.

The cards were turned in, Williams said, by someone affiliated with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), a group that represents low-income people.

And things look worse when we get into the big city of Columbus:
Prosecutors in Columbus have filed criminal charges against an Acorn registrar, saying that he filed a false registration form and forged a signature. Officials for the group say they fired the worker and instituted a quality checking system before the prosecutors acted.
Move on down the road abit into Pennsylvania and what do we see? Oh, heavens no:
"It’s absolutely out of hand," Bellman said. "Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registrations but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations."

Bellman said his office has had numerous calls from people who were registered through a group called the Association Communication Organization for Reform Now (ACORN), complaining that those taking down the voter information deliberately put inaccurate information on the form.


And what good would an election fraud story be without Florida? Gotcha covered:

The St. Petersburg Times reported Monday that former St. Petersburg Mayor Charles Schuh was the victim of registration fraud. The newspaper reported Schuh's wife, Jean, received a telephone call seeking verification for voter information her husband had filled out. "She gave the right address and telephone number, but she said his birthday was Aug. 9, 1974," Jean Schuh told the caller. "I told her Charlie was born in 1936. He was on the St. Petersburg City Council in 1974. He's 68."

The caller said Schuh's application had the box "female" checked, along with "Republican."

Schuh said when she asked who the caller was with, she was told the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.


This, my friends, is what any half-witted individual would call a pattern. Obviously this is not an isolated incident of bad training or misjudgement but a systemic, multi-state issue. An ex-ACORN opperative agrees:

"There was a lot of fraud committed," said Mac Stuart, former Miami-Dade field director for ACORN. Among his allegations -- that ACORN "quality control" workers routinely kicked back Republican voter registrations while paying for Democratic ones. "They said they had enough," he said.

ACORN is spearheading both a minimum wage ballot initiative and a voter registration drive. Its top two Florida directors failed to return telephone calls Friday.

Stuart is listed as a plaintiff in a notice of intent to sue ACORN and others in a discrimination class-action lawsuit. "The voter registration project has been operating illegally since it started," the intent-to-sue filing asserts.

It does not get much more obvious than this. Right now there are several state prosecutions going on against ACORN. I am no legal expert, but considering how widespread their violations are, it seems to me they should be charged on the Federal level.
 
http://slingsnarrows.erudite-absurdity.com/archive/002781.html
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Habu on January 25, 2005, 11:35:03 AM
Quote
Originally posted by JB88
and your refusal to put up or shut up only serves to demonstrate what?

enlighten me.


I follow his line of though pretty easily. I am unsure of what your point is (or even if you have one).
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 11:45:58 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Bodhi
Yes, I do believe that there were registered republicans who attempted to engage in harassment of democratic voters, but out right fraud?  

 
ok.  maybe we need to define fraud as well...but we'll take this as an example.


The worst example I know of is an allegation that:

i asked for you to give an example of the worst "republican"example.  i am asking you to be critical of your party.  unless you are in fact saying "NO...they did not...are you?


Several hundred provisional ballots of registered Democrats disqualified in New Mexico by Republican judge; ballots certified "good" turn out to be all Republican; this news comes as reports indicate provisional ballots are being rejected in New Mexico at higher rates than expected [via reader radtimes, reports in the Albuquerque Tribune]

As for continued Democratic Party Fraud, the following should enlighten you:

Democratic Party Staffers were making calls to Republicans in Ohio with wrong polling site information; Democrats claim volunteers made a mistake and that Democratic voters were also provided incorrect information [via Demos, a report in the Marion Star]

124 fake voter registrations in exchange for crack cocaine in Ohio [via Mark Adams (here and here)]: We have this story in the Toledo Blade about a volunteer Chad Staton hired by a volunteer who in turn worked for the non-partisan but left-leaning NAACP Voter Fund - Staton made up voter registrations with (easily detectable) fraudulent names like Mary Poppins in exchange for crack cocaine.

Tampering of voting machines charged in Yonkers, New York, with the discovery of damaged or missing seals in 22 machines. Recount currently showing significantly shrink in lead for Republican in state Senate race [via Votersunite, this article from a local NBC affiliate

Want me to go on?

yes.  i would like you to answer the question as it was presented.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 11:47:01 AM
Quote
Originally posted by Bodhi
Voter Fraud: Rampant and Blatant
The Democrats have been warning about voter fraud for almost four years now and it looks like they have been strangely prescient. According to constant reports voter fraud this year just may reach epic proportions. Of course what the Democrats will not openly tell you is they are the ones doing it.

First things first. Colorado, which is already set to be a center of controversy, is inundated with forged voter registrations:

9News has discovered a record number of fraudulent voter-registrations across the state. Secretary of State Donetta Davidson tells 9News she is concerned about what the I-Team has uncovered and wants those responsible prosecuted. "It has just gone rampant," she told reporter Deborah Sherman in an interview Monday afternoon.

Some of the registration drive workers earn $2 per application or about $10 an hour. One woman admitted to forging three people's names on about 40 voter registration applications. Kym Cason says she was helping her boyfriend earn more money from a get-out-the-vote organization called ACORN or Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. ACORN works with low or moderate-income families on housing issues. Cason said her extra registrations earned her boyfriend $50.

ACORN's state director said they are victims of the fraud as well and told 9News the group is cooperating with local investigators.

But is this an isolated incident?

Not if you live in Ohio:

Hamilton County election officials will meet this morning to discuss 19 voter registrations for people who may not exist, which would be a rare case of election fraud.

Board of Elections Director John Williams subpoenaed those named on the voter registration cards after similar handwriting and false addresses raised election workers' suspicions. The sheriff's department could not find them, he said.

The cards were turned in, Williams said, by someone affiliated with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), a group that represents low-income people.

And things look worse when we get into the big city of Columbus:
Prosecutors in Columbus have filed criminal charges against an Acorn registrar, saying that he filed a false registration form and forged a signature. Officials for the group say they fired the worker and instituted a quality checking system before the prosecutors acted.
Move on down the road abit into Pennsylvania and what do we see? Oh, heavens no:
"It’s absolutely out of hand," Bellman said. "Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registrations but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations."

Bellman said his office has had numerous calls from people who were registered through a group called the Association Communication Organization for Reform Now (ACORN), complaining that those taking down the voter information deliberately put inaccurate information on the form.


And what good would an election fraud story be without Florida? Gotcha covered:

The St. Petersburg Times reported Monday that former St. Petersburg Mayor Charles Schuh was the victim of registration fraud. The newspaper reported Schuh's wife, Jean, received a telephone call seeking verification for voter information her husband had filled out. "She gave the right address and telephone number, but she said his birthday was Aug. 9, 1974," Jean Schuh told the caller. "I told her Charlie was born in 1936. He was on the St. Petersburg City Council in 1974. He's 68."

The caller said Schuh's application had the box "female" checked, along with "Republican."

Schuh said when she asked who the caller was with, she was told the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.


This, my friends, is what any half-witted individual would call a pattern. Obviously this is not an isolated incident of bad training or misjudgement but a systemic, multi-state issue. An ex-ACORN opperative agrees:

"There was a lot of fraud committed," said Mac Stuart, former Miami-Dade field director for ACORN. Among his allegations -- that ACORN "quality control" workers routinely kicked back Republican voter registrations while paying for Democratic ones. "They said they had enough," he said.

ACORN is spearheading both a minimum wage ballot initiative and a voter registration drive. Its top two Florida directors failed to return telephone calls Friday.

Stuart is listed as a plaintiff in a notice of intent to sue ACORN and others in a discrimination class-action lawsuit. "The voter registration project has been operating illegally since it started," the intent-to-sue filing asserts.

It does not get much more obvious than this. Right now there are several state prosecutions going on against ACORN. I am no legal expert, but considering how widespread their violations are, it seems to me they should be charged on the Federal level.
 
http://slingsnarrows.erudite-absurdity.com/archive/002781.html



not seeing it here either.  sorry.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Habu on January 25, 2005, 12:11:07 PM
You know Bi-polar people think others can follow their arguments and see what is in their heads.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 12:20:47 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Steve
88 quit dodging the issue.  You asked if "do you really want to go there"

my answer is YES.


Give me some examples of comparable GOP behavior..


how so?  in my question i asked for an example of what you know to be the worst incident of republican behavior.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Bodhi on January 25, 2005, 01:04:33 PM
I answered the question you clueless dolt....

cripes, you want me to read the answer for you?
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 01:12:39 PM
where sir?

you pointed the finger right at the democrats and skipped right over the hard part.

i asked.  very simply.  do you think the republicans are guilty of "fraud"  

(using the term quite loosely, but not wanting to argue semantics.  for intents and purposes we will forget that fraud means fraudulent and assume it means also means criminal or obstructive.)

if yes, please post what you think is the worst example of such bad behavior.

thats all.

should be pretty easy if you believe that both sides are errant in some capacity or another.

otherwise, you can say, NO they did not and stand by it.  

which is fine by me.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: GreenCloud on January 25, 2005, 01:20:58 PM
wow..will you join our squad..i would love to fly with you..
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Raider179 on January 25, 2005, 02:57:37 PM
If this is the worst fraud we faced during these elections I think we made out pretty good.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Red Tail 444 on January 25, 2005, 03:05:16 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Steve
I do.  Get busy posting  credible stories about where paid employees of the Bush campaign resorted to vadalism and other criminal activities in an effort to stop people from voting.


The war in Iraq is criminal, and they're blowing up innocent would-be voters, in their homes...

Blowing someone up, at home, kind of makes it difficult for them to vote, yes? :lol
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Habu on January 25, 2005, 03:30:36 PM
You know you may be right about Iraq. Since the terrorists are blowing up people we should probably stop and do want they want.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Elfie on January 25, 2005, 03:57:32 PM
It doesnt matter who is slashing who's tires, or who is giving who wrong information during an election, its wrong and those involved need to be punished.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 03:58:48 PM
hell yes they do.

every last one of em.

cheaters suck.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Manedew on January 25, 2005, 04:09:06 PM
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/209165_paulloeb.html
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: hawker238 on January 25, 2005, 04:54:03 PM
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Originally posted by Steve
88 quit dodging the issue.  You asked if "do you really want to go there"

my answer is YES.


Give me some examples of comparable GOP behavior..


Watergate?
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Bodhi on January 25, 2005, 05:29:49 PM
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Originally posted by Manedew
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/209165_paulloeb.html


Nothing biased about that report at all...
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 06:24:35 PM
nor your answer sir.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 06:40:23 PM
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Nothing biased about that report at all...


Most of what the liberals offer as evidence appears in the "opinion" section of liberal rags.  That's no exception.  Neither is the fact that 88 can't put up, but refuses to shut up.

He exemplifies my claim.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 06:50:32 PM
answer the question martlette.  

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Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 06:52:20 PM
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Originally posted by JB88
answer the question martlette.  

(http://www.intothewoods.us/HikerMama/chicken.jpg)

or are you just going to continue to answer yours.



The question was answered.  You still haven't put up.

I'm not surprised.  

You've proven my argument for me.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 06:54:28 PM
where did you answer it martlette?

(http://www.white-rose.co.uk/logos/kfc.jpg)

would you like me to repeat it for you?
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 06:55:47 PM
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Originally posted by JB88
do i need to start posting the alternative cheating accounts here or can we all just agree that on both sides people can be idiots.  there is plenty.




Right here.


Yes.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Gunslinger on January 25, 2005, 06:57:14 PM
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Nothing biased about that report at all...


no not at all OPINION pieces such as this wich it says right in the URL are completly journalistic based on facts as they present themselvees in an unbiased way   ;)

JB88 why dont you answer your own question.  You are just trolling as of now.  As of this post I don't recal any republicans being CHARGED like these guys with any type of voting crime.

I have heard numerous storys of hypocrit democrats doing all sorts of dispicable things to include what should be classified, by the very letter of the law, as a hate crimes.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 06:59:42 PM
now the second part please.

do you believe that any republicans, republican staffers or republican donors were guilty (in a visible and/or known way) of committing acts of voter fraud and/or obstruction of the basic and fundemental right of every american to vote.

simple question.

if yes. please post the worst example that you know of.  (i am reffering to republican fraud here)

if no. just say no.

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Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 07:00:46 PM
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
no not at all OPINION pieces such as this wich it says right in the URL are completly journalistic based on facts as they present themselvees in an unbiased way   ;)

JB88 why dont you answer your own question.  You are just trolling as of now.  As of this post I don't recal any republicans being CHARGED like these guys with any type of voting crime.

I have heard numerous storys of hypocrit democrats doing all sorts of dispicable things to include what should be classified, by the very letter of the law, as a hate crimes.


i am in the process of answering.

thank you.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Steve on January 25, 2005, 07:08:41 PM
Quit asking questions 88, you are dodging the issue.  

I'm not going to supply you w/ ammo.   you asked "If I want to go there" meaning you obvisouly felt there were comparable GOP incidents.  You can't supply any, so you dodge the issue. You're full of hot air... I've established that... time for you to STFU.

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The war in Iraq is criminal, and they're blowing up innocent would-be voters, in their homes...


This is so idiotic, yet so typical of handsomehunk tail that I don't see the point in addressing it further.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Bodhi on January 25, 2005, 07:12:57 PM
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Originally posted by JB88

i asked for you to give an example of the worst "republican"example.  i am asking you to be critical of your party.  unless you are in fact saying "NO...they did not...are you?
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hey dolt, can you read?

look at what I posted.  It is a Republican Example.

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Yes, I do believe that there were registered republicans who attempted to engage in harassment of democratic voters, but out right fraud? The worst example I know of is an allegation that:

Several hundred provisional ballots of registered Democrats disqualified in New Mexico by Republican judge; ballots certified "good" turn out to be all Republican; this news comes as reports indicate provisional ballots are being rejected in New Mexico at higher rates than expected [via reader radtimes, reports in the Albuquerque Tribune]
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 07:13:18 PM
(http://tonova.typepad.com/thesuddencurve/chicken_little_40.jpg)
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 07:15:09 PM
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Originally posted by Bodhi
hey dolt, can you read?

look at what I posted.  It is a Republican Example.


ya.  but you chose one that turned it around.  selective editing.  i may be wrong though...ill have to reread it....

just a sec...

"Voter Fraud: Rampant and Blatant
The Democrats have been warning about voter fraud for almost four years now and it looks like they have been strangely prescient. According to constant reports voter fraud this year just may reach epic proportions. Of course what the Democrats will not openly tell you is they are the ones doing it. "

sorry.  no.

that one?
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 07:59:30 PM
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Originally posted by JB88
ya.  but you chose one that turned it around.  selective editing.  i may be wrong though...ill have to reread it....

just a sec...

"Voter Fraud: Rampant and Blatant
The Democrats have been warning about voter fraud for almost four years now and it looks like they have been strangely prescient. According to constant reports voter fraud this year just may reach epic proportions. Of course what the Democrats will not openly tell you is they are the ones doing it. "

sorry.  no.

that one?


When you have no argument, just spin your tires, huh?

No Republican son of a Senator in the employ of George Bush destroyed private property in an attempt to deny a citizen the right to vote.

Not one.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 08:01:12 PM
(http://www.pulcina.org/images/fanmail_images/chick-stamp.jpg)
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 08:02:11 PM
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Originally posted by Martlet
When you have no argument, just spin your tires, huh?

No Republican son of a Senator in the employ of George Bush destroyed private property in an attempt to deny a citizen the right to vote.

Not one.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 08:07:24 PM
(http://www.romwell.com/humor/Chicken.jpg)
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 08:10:21 PM
(http://www.dogsnot.net/mt/dem%20seal.JPG)]

I guess if you can't state your position, let alone defend it, just cry.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 08:10:35 PM
do you have a problem with being critical of your own party?  does that scare you?

why wont you answer the question?

just tell me why and ill drop it, so long as it is about YOU not about me.

k?
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 08:12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Martlet
(http://www.dogsnot.net/mt/dem%20seal.JPG)]

I guess if you can't state your position, let alone defend it, just cry.


The first step towards fixing the faults of your party is admitting them.

Where are all those examples you were talking about?
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 08:14:24 PM
well.  youve already admitted that the republicans are guilty of fraud.  you did it for me.

three of you have.

and i never said that i was going to provide exact carbon copy examples of incidents.

i was just hoping that you might have the cans to back it up with data.

for once.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 08:16:41 PM
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Originally posted by JB88
well.  youve already admitted that the republicans are guilty of fraud for me.

three of you have.

i was just hoping that you might have the cans to back it up.


What difference does it make?

Not one adult son of a Senator in the employ of George Bush is charged with a felony destruction of private property in an attempt to influence an election by denying a citizen the right to vote.

You're pulling the typical liberal shadow-feint of pointing in another direction in hopes it will be forgotten.

Wahhhhhhhhhh.

When are you going to start posting those examples you promised?
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: LePaul on January 25, 2005, 08:20:08 PM
Boy I liked it better when JB88 was locked out for a while.

How's about a vote on THAT!  :p

Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 08:21:27 PM
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Originally posted by LePaul
Boy I liked it better when JB88 was locked out for a while.

How's about a vote on THAT!  :p



You guys get much snow up there?  I have to head back this weekend.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 08:23:36 PM
nope.  

answer my question and then i will be happy to.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: LePaul on January 25, 2005, 08:24:23 PM
Locally, here in the Bangor area, 6 inches.

Portland, 100 miles south, got 16

Boston and surrounding areas were reported to get anywhere from 18 to 28

We dodged that bullet!
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 08:25:21 PM
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Originally posted by JB88
nope.  

answer my question and then i will be happy to.

you have already agreed to my assertion that it goes both ways, so i really dont need to.

again.  thanks.


No Republican son of a Senator in the employ of George Bush destroyed private property in an attempt to deny a citizen the right to vote.

Not one.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 08:25:52 PM
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Originally posted by LePaul
Locally, here in the Bangor area, 6 inches.

Portland, 100 miles south, got 16

Boston and surrounding areas were reported to get anywhere from 18 to 28

We dodged that bullet!


I'm just northeast of Boston.  38 inches.  I have to go to Brewer this weekend, though.  I was hoping it wasn't too bad.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: LePaul on January 25, 2005, 08:27:54 PM
Went to flight school at Beverly, North Shore Community College had a nice 4 year program, tiered with Salem.  Nice area too.

Crazy traffic on 128 to get to the airport.  Crazy traffic to escape the Boston TCA, go to the training area, fight thru the TCA to return to Beverly/Danvers airport, land...fight crazy 128 traffic to get home.  

Did I mention crazy?
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 08:28:53 PM
goodnight.  look forward to your answer tommorrow....unless you are ....


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Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 08:30:13 PM
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Originally posted by LePaul
Went to flight school at Beverly, North Shore Community College had a nice 4 year program, tiered with Salem.  Nice area too.

Crazy traffic on 128 to get to the airport.  Crazy traffic to escape the Boston TCA, go to the training area, fight thru the TCA to return to Beverly/Danvers airport, land...fight crazy 128 traffic to get home.  

Did I mention crazy?


I'm in swampscott/nahant, really.  Traffic isn't as crazy since the big dig.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 08:31:29 PM
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Originally posted by JB88
(http://www.cosmic-creations.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/chicken_brown_lrg.jpg)


Is that supposed to mean something, or in absent of anything that supports any point you might have tried to make, you just post pictures?


It certainly exemplifies the weakness of your argument.

Good Job!  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: hawker238 on January 25, 2005, 08:33:24 PM
(http://www.dof.virginia.gov/images/wildlife-wood-duck-photo.jpg)

Swing and a miss...
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 08:51:54 PM
(http://www.dogsnot.net/mt/dem%20seal.JPG)
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: LePaul on January 25, 2005, 08:53:04 PM
One photo of buffalo wings and i was ready to capitulate for Martlet!

Damn its supper time!
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: RedTop on January 25, 2005, 08:59:37 PM
Anyone think this guy reminds you of a Chunky Snoop Dog?

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/jan05/pratt012405-125.jpg
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 09:12:54 PM
(http://members.aol.com/kyip123/images/chicken%20wings.jpg)

hey nancy.  dose is some mighty fine chicken wings ya got there.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 25, 2005, 09:17:44 PM
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Originally posted by RedTop
Anyone think this guy reminds you of a Chunky Snoop Dog?

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/news/img/jan05/pratt012405-125.jpg


Maybe.  Snoop Dog doesn't hate the country as much, though.
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Bodhi on January 25, 2005, 09:23:04 PM
martlet,

lol, I finally realised that adding jb88 to my ignore list was the direction most needed to satisfy his questions....

pure silence.

Have a good one Martlet
Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: JB88 on January 25, 2005, 09:24:41 PM
thanks bhodi

best for both of us i suppose.

Title: GOP tire slashers caught.
Post by: Martlet on January 26, 2005, 05:32:27 AM
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Originally posted by Bodhi
martlet,

lol, I finally realised that adding jb88 to my ignore list was the direction most needed to satisfy his questions....

pure silence.

Have a good one Martlet


What an excellent idea.  I keep forgetting how the left is infected with such frothing lunacy.

I should have realized it when his argument became reduced to posting pictures of fowl.