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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NUKE on January 25, 2005, 03:46:38 PM
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Anyone else here about this? I heard on the local radio show this morning.
A Cessna crossed the boder from Mexico into Texas and was forced to land near San Antonio. The plane had no lights on and appeared to be trying to avoid radar.
For Chinese nationals where inside. The plane is owned by two people, one is Arabic, the other had a "western " sounding name.
Two years ago the plane wqs never re-registered with the FAA and the FAA had been trying to contact the owners.
I don't recall when this happed , but I think it was really recent.....as in maybe days ago.
Makes me really mad that we don't take our borders that seriously down south. I'm also wondering what the US will do when the next shoe drops and we have another terrorist masacre.
If this is true, why isn't it big news?
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I dont see the big deal, just seems like 4 people trying a novel way to skip across the border.
I dont think the plane could do much damage, a Cessna would have trouble blowing up a Wendy House.
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yeah seen the same report.
The reports also relate these guys to the dirty bomb threat.
I actually thought it showed we were taking our airspace seriously. I thought maybe they should have been shot down to make a point to deter others but then we would lose any info they might posess.
Like you said this was recent at least thats how they made it sound so we will just have to wait.
They also have had one of those chinese women in custody since november and said she has no links to terrorism.
couple chinese guys flying in a plane owned by someone named Afzal Hameed makes me very nervous.
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Originally posted by Raider179
yeah seen the same report.
The reports also relate these guys to the dirty bomb threat.
I actually thought it showed we were taking our airspace seriously. I thought maybe they should have been shot down to make a point to deter others but then we would lose any info they might posess.
Like you said this was recent at least thats how they made it sound so we will just have to wait.
They also have had one of those chinese women in custody since november and said she has no links to terrorism.
couple chinese guys flying in a plane owned by someone named Afzal Hameed makes me very nervous.
i smell either propaganda...
or very very dumb terrorists.
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Hmm a Cessna with a dirty bomb?
Maybe that Wendy House isnt as safe as I thought....
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By Associated Press
SAN ANTONIO - Two small planes left South Texas border cities around the same time Monday night, both bound for San Antonio with lucrative and illicit cargoes.
One of the aircraft carried more than 100 pounds of potent marijuana north from Mexico, the other four Chinese citizens who had spent the previous month on a perilous trip from their homeland to find work in the United States.
But federal officials ended up catching up to both flights - one from Laredo and the other from Eagle Pass. Four accused smugglers were arrested and the illegal immigrants, who may have paid tens of thousands of dollars for the fruitless journey, will likely be deported.
"We don't believe these Chinese we have apprehended pose any type of national security threat," said Alonzo Pena, special agent in charge of the local Immigration and Customs Enforcement office.
He added that the four were still being questioned by immigration agents on Tuesday afternoon.
He said the two men and two women carried Chinese passports, and that their names didn't match up with those on a list of Chinese citizens sought by authorities.
Immigration officials did not immediately release the identities of the pilot, a Mexican citizen, or any of the Chinese passengers. The pilot is expected to be charged with smuggling illegal immigrants, Pena said.
Pena said his agency found out about the immigrant plane through its efforts to catch the drug plane.
"We had information on a pilot we were looking at on a narcotics issue, and we learned that another plane was leaving from the same area," he said. "We received information that we should look at the second plane."
He said the Chinese apparently began their excursion from their native country in December and that they first landed in Central America.
From there they made their way north through Mexico, covering part of the distance on foot. They crossed the Texas border to Eagle Pass a day or so before they were caught, he said.
Pena would not say how much the immigrants paid to be transported, but he said prices from China commonly range upwards of $40,000 per person.
The four-seat Cessna 172P was last registered to Hameed Afzal and Alyce S. Taylor, who live in San Antonio.
Afzal, who runs a flight school, did not immediately return a call Tuesday from The Associated Press. But he told the San Antonio Express-News that he rented the plane to a man whom he would not identify.
"We rent airplanes to qualified pilots, just like you rent cars to qualified drivers," he told the newspaper. "What they do afterwards, you can't say what they will do."
Pena would not say whether Azfal was a suspect in the smuggling operation.
Initial reports stated that the Cessna carrying the Chinese was forced to land by federal agents, but Pena said the aircraft filed and then followed its flight plan from Eagle Pass to San Antonio.
He said his agency tracked the plane's 125-mile trip by radar. As a precaution, it also launched aircraft to intercept the craft if it did not land as scheduled at Stinson Municipal Airport, a few miles south of downtown San Antonio.
"Fortunately they did follow the flight plan, so that made it easier for us," Pena said.
FBI and local police joined immigration agents in surrounding the plane once it landed and taking the five into custody.
The drug plane, which ended with the arrest of the pilot and two other men, touched down briefly at Stinson before taking off again for Austin, said Denton Lankford, an immigration department spokesman.
Immigration agents nabbed the three at Austin-Bergstrom International Airport with 108 pounds of marijuana, Lankford said. All three men were Mexican citizens, he said, though two were legal residents of the United States.
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Originally posted by Glas
Hmm a Cessna with a dirty bomb?
Maybe that Wendy House isnt as safe as I thought....
The fact that they had a plane at all is wierd. The fact that they had to be given access to the plane, and one of the owners is Arabic is double wierd.
It's not like they chose the easiest way to cross the border. Why did they need a plane? How did they afford the plane? And they just happen to be Chinese....after an earlier warning that Chinese nationals were being sought for a possible dirty bomb attack in Boston, after having been smuggeled across the Mexican border. The word was that they would first go to NY and recieve a container at a port.
So yeah, it's something to be concerned about.
I don't know if it's common for Chinese to be comming across the Mexican border, but I have never heard of it before
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thanks 2Bighorn, I had been wondering about this all day. Seems to be cleared up.
Man, I'm the worst typest
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one could take lessons from the government on the fine art of trolling.
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Originally posted by JB88
one could take lessons from the government on the fine art of trolling.
god you are dense.
government? who said anything about the government.
Man, I wish you would think at least for at least 10 minutes before you reply to posts.
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Originally posted by NUKE
god you are dense.
government? who said anything about the government.
Man, I wish you would think at least for at least 10 minutes before you reply to posts.
mwa.
dont you think for eight seconds that these things arent being considered deeply and thoughfully before being released to the ever growing paranoia of the american public.
to everything...(turn turn turn)
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Sorry guys but i gotta say that if illegal drugs are smuggled into the US by the TONS every year, theres no reason why dirty bomb material couldnt have already been smuggled into the country.
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Why couldn't you just smuggle something in on a boat? Even if the boat got clearance from the port it sailed from, and just made a rendezvous with another boat that loaded something onto it.
The possibilities are endless.
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Originally posted by JB88
mwa.
dont you think for eight seconds that these things arent being considered deeply and thoughfully before being released to the ever growing paranoia of the american public.
to everything...(turn turn turn)
okay, maybe you should wait 20 minutes
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Originally posted by NUKE
okay, maybe you should wait 20 minutes
you might try it sometime and tell me if it works.
mwa.
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Originally posted by OIO
Sorry guys but i gotta say that if illegal drugs are smuggled into the US by the TONS every year, theres no reason why dirty bomb material couldnt have already been smuggled into the country.
Sad but very true.:(
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Only 100 lbs of mexican smoke? Still seems strange. I agree with you about the gov trolling 88. Somethings seem to get released just to see how we react.
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Originally posted by OIO
Sorry guys but i gotta say that if illegal drugs are smuggled into the US by the TONS every year, theres no reason why dirty bomb material couldnt have already been smuggled into the country.
UUUUpppsss...
may be they managed to get even clean Bomb into the US :eek:
however better dry bomb that wet bomb :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Glas
Hmm a Cessna with a dirty bomb?
I'd append that to simply "a dirty bomb"?
Has one ever been used, EVER?
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Does it bother anyone else that so many people every year cross our southern border illegally?
Why in God's name is the influx across our borders in not being addressed by any major politicians on either side of the aisle?
That plane.....I guess as someone said, it show we can track stuff like that, but what about the millions each year that cross.
Is it really going to take another major terror attack before the issue is looked at seriously?
So, they screen airline passengers at airports, yet don't really bother to protect our borders? Makes no sense to me.
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it pisses me off about thsi border crap..
KILL THEM....IF ILLEGAL...
its going to take alot of deaths before we tightn the borders..
atleast I dotn live in a large populated city..
Chineses?..they usaly come in cargo boxes on freighters....
few years ago we busted a cargo container in SF BAy filled with chineses ak-47s..sweeet
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Originally posted by NUKE
Does it bother anyone else that so many people every year cross our southern border illegally?
Why in God's name is the influx across our borders in not being addressed by any major politicians on either side of the aisle?
That plane.....I guess as someone said, it show we can track stuff like that, but what about the millions each year that cross.
Is it really going to take another major terror attack before the issue is looked at seriously?
So, they screen airline passengers at airports, yet don't really bother to protect our borders? Makes no sense to me.
sounds just like my grandfather...he used to say....
"Golly-geemed kids. get off my lawn!"
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:D Like this is some rare occurence or what?
We probably have more coming in off dar that entering legaly.
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Once again we see the narrowminded tunnle vision that will bring civilization to its downfall. Glas with his no need to be worried cause a cessna wont cause much damage and sandy with his "has one ever been used?" and 88 with his tinfoil hat govt propaganda.
this is no different than what I've heard alot hear when the focus seems to be completly on ONE threat and if it wasnt used in the past we shouldnt be worried about it now.
It's as if somones having a conversation on Sept 10th 2001 saying "fly an airplane into a building....fly four of them....man that sounds crazy....when's the last time somone tried that? How many terrorists do you know that have pilot training?"
Only drug smugglers use cesna over Mexico so this can't possibly be linked to anything other than that.
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Originally posted by NUKE
I don't know if it's common for Chinese to be comming across the Mexican border, but I have never heard of it before
It is very common for them to use Mexico to enter the United States. The usual launchpad for them to the States is usually on the California/Mexico border near El Centro because across the border there is a sizable Chinese community in Mexicali.
Oh, and that stuff about the Chinese and the dirty bomb was a hoax by a smugglar that either got stiffed or was trying to eliminate his fellow competitors.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by JB88
sounds just like my grandfather...he used to say....
"Golly-geemed kids. get off my lawn!"
when you grow up, you are going to realise what an embicile you were as a kid.
It's a national security issue, in case you are too dumb to figure that out.
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"embicile" - nuke
"in case you are too dumb to figure that out." - nuke
"teach your children well." - csn
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Sail boats and power boats dissapere in the Gulf of Mexico and at the south end of Baja California every year. Then they are repainted or altered and used for smuggling, drug running, or outright resold to unsuspecting Americans. A large multi-masted sailboat with a deep keal needs a ton or more ballist to hold it down. I know people who spend most of their retired time sailing the west coast form panama to alaska in large sail boats.
What are the odds of putting together a nice middle american white couple, and papers, and registration for a big sailboat, and replacing the ballist with other heavy metal things in mexico or in central america? then sail up to any of the west coast US cities where a U-Haul van is waiting to drive to NYC or Whashington D.C.?
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Thinking about how many tons of drugs that must be crossing US borders every week, I dont really see how you could keep terrorists from smuggling in bombs.
It could be done, it the really wanted to do it, I am very sure of this.
And, for the second, you dont need that much explosives to make a hughe bomb, look at the Oklahoma bomber and what he used.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Once again we see the narrowminded tunnle vision that will bring civilization to its downfall. Glas with his no need to be worried cause a cessna wont cause much damage and sandy with his "has one ever been used?" and 88 with his tinfoil hat govt propaganda.
this is no different than what I've heard alot hear when the focus seems to be completly on ONE threat and if it wasnt used in the past we shouldnt be worried about it now.
Go ahead. Try to guard against everything. You'll end up guarding nothing.
As for dirty bombs... that particular boogey man sure has gotten a lot of miles. I think we have enough to worry about without making **** up. Might as well worry about sharks with frickin' lasers on their heads.
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I love CSN!
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Originally posted by Sandman
Go ahead. Try to guard against everything. You'll end up guarding nothing.
As for dirty bombs... that particular boogey man sure has gotten a lot of miles. I think we have enough to worry about without making **** up. Might as well worry about sharks with frickin' lasers on their heads.
well not saying we should guard against it but be concerned yes....
I allways think about my Sept 10th scenerio to remind me that anything is in fact possible. I would however, agree with you that there are those in our govt that use this fear to further their agendas BUT, practicing and planning for the what ifs gives our "protectors" (used all inclusevly IE fire, police, mil. ect) develop decision making skills/experience if the situation does in fact arise.
A good point to make would be shipping containers in the ports. It is not at all an easy feat to search every single one of them but to say that we can't do it so why try is recipe for disaster IMHO.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Go ahead. Try to guard against everything. You'll end up guarding nothing.
As for dirty bombs... that particular boogey man sure has gotten a lot of miles.
And for good reason.
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most everything is becoming good for alot of miles.
alas. romerica.
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Really... first, it's not even a real threat. It's just speculation.
...and even if they did manage to blow one up, the "experts" can't agree that it would be a "weapon of mass destruction" or a "weapon of mass disruption".
IIRC, some middle east country (Iraq?) tested one, but then discarded it because it didn't do enough damage.
It's a good cattle prod though. It gets the masses all up in a lather. Meanwhile, little things like water supplies and cargo containers go completely unguarded.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Meanwhile, little things like water supplies and cargo containers go completely unguarded.
Go ahead. Try to guard against everything. You'll end up guarding nothing.
As for dirty bombs... that particular boogey man sure has gotten a lot of miles. I think we have enough to worry about without making **** up. Might as well worry about sharks with frickin' lasers on their heads
:lol ;)
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Ridiculous isn't it?
We can't guard against everything, so why not create imagined threats to guard against...
BTW... I have a can of elephant repellant here on my desk. So far, I think it's working, 'cause I've never seen one near here.
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knock knock...
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candygram.
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More important, when the time comes, how the Hell are we going to get 10,000,000 illegal immigrants back across the border and to their country of origin. Has anyone thought of that...?
If you figure 50 per Bus that 200,000 buses.... Do we have that many..? I don't think so...
So what do we do? March them across at gun point? The UN's going to have a 'Hissy Fit' about that.....
Nothing is easy any more.....
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Originally posted by Sandman
Really... first, it's not even a real threat. It's just speculation.
...and even if they did manage to blow one up, the "experts" can't agree that it would be a "weapon of mass destruction" or a "weapon of mass disruption".
IIRC, some middle east country (Iraq?) tested one, but then discarded it because it didn't do enough damage.
It's a good cattle prod though. It gets the masses all up in a lather. Meanwhile, little things like water supplies and cargo containers go completely unguarded.
Very true Sandman.
I think they could do more damage overall with plastic explosives and suicide bombers.
And the cargo ship thing..... no way can we search them all.
What I wonder is...... what will the US do if we receive another massive terrorist hit? I think we will seal the borders first, then possibly deny visas for certain groups known as "at risk"
I feel that another hit will come.....then it's all crazy after that. The US will get hit, no doubt in my mind. And with that thought, I wonder why we are not protecting our borders. It worries me.
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Ya know... we could collect them all and put them in camps. Then, march them into showers (that really aren't showers) and put them quietly to sleep. It's best if we keep them for a few years and let the starvation sap the fight from them. Later, we can dispose of the bodies in these really large ovens...
...waitaminute... that's been done before and it didn't turn out well.
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Sandman,
are you against protecting the borders?
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Hang on NUKE I think Sandy's finally starting to come around!
JUST A JOKE REMOVE PANTYS FROM BUNCH!
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Originally posted by Sandman
Ya know... we could collect them all and put them in camps. Then, march them into showers (that really aren't showers) and put them quietly to sleep. It's best if we keep them for a few years and let the starvation sap the fight from them. Later, we can dispose of the bodies in these really large ovens...
Sandman, could you explain why you want to kill the illegal imigrnants? They've done nothing beyond entering the United States improperly. Returning them to their country of orgin would be (to me) the best solution for everyone.
But then..., I'm not a Nazi...
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Hang on NUKE I think Sandy's finally starting to come around!
JUST A JOKE REMOVE PANTYS FROM BUNCH!
Sandman is a man I respect a lot. He is very respectful of others as well and I admire him.
He doesn't make any inflamatory remarks ( like I do) and pretty much makes his points.
I don't agree with some of his points, but I would never post anything in disrespect of him. (not saying you did Gun)
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i was going to suggest rethinking our foreign policy, strengthening our internal defenses, pulling up our bootstraos and working towards becoming energy self sufficient through the research and developement of non petroleum fuels.
i was thinking that we could even eventually share it with the rest of the world without sucking the life out of them.
just cause we are good people.
i was going to suggest that we stop arming people who will eventually fight against us.
i was going to suggest that we stop building our own iron curtain because fences are the opposite of openness.
but thats all silly.
wed still screw it up...or would we?
anyone have any suggestions?
what is the problem? how do we fix it?
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Just to clear things up
I have no idea what Mexican smoke is.....................
And uuuhhh.... My trip to Houston has been postponed.,,,,
NwBie
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oh christ, the cancer came back to this thread.
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Originally posted by NUKE
oh christ, the cancer came back to this thread.
whos the cancer nuke?
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Originally posted by Otto
Sandman, could you explain why you want to kill the illegal imigrnants? They've done nothing beyond entering the United States improperly. Returning them to the country of orgin would be (to me) the best solution for everyone.
But then..., I'm not a Nazi...
I certainly not advocating capital punishment for illegals, but there is a reason it is called illegal immigration.
The law has been broken. Returning them to their country of origin and calling it good is not enough, it would be like letting a bank robber off the hook if he gave back the money. There needs to be some price illegals pay.
The real way to get control of the situation is to make a easy to handle guest worker program, and make it easier than resorting to coyotes. Make a harsh punishment for anyone who employs someone outside the system.
Then anybody crossing at unusual border crossings is up to no good.
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Shipping containers are a bigger threat than Cessnas. But if we were to inspect each and every container that would be a hindrence to business. We can't have that now, can we?
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Originally posted by rpm
Shipping containers are a bigger threat than Cessnas. But if we were to inspect each and every container that would be a hindrence to business. We can't have that now, can we?
Nope.
Otherwise you would be complaining about the 30% unemployment rate.
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unless we got a bit more self sufficient, but well never see the manufacturing that we once had here. imho
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Originally posted by rpm
Shipping containers are a bigger threat than Cessnas. But if we were to inspect each and every container that would be a hindrence to business. We can't have that now, can we?
Let's hire Illegals to search them all :lol
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Originally posted by NUKE
oh christ, the cancer came back to this thread.
NUKE, dont be that dramatic about people having another point of view then you.
I think this BBS would be pretty boring if everyone said the same thing or did just agree with the one who posted.
Look at it as a chance to open up your views.
To be honest, If you disagree with me, I will check your sources (if you leave any, whitch is rare) and in very rare occasions, I will agree with you.
To say that people are cancer and wish for them to be banned, is not a very good way to carry out a discussion.
Anyway, apart from that: Who is CO for the O`Club squad?
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Originally posted by rpm
Shipping containers are a bigger threat than Cessnas. But if we were to inspect each and every container that would be a hindrence to business. We can't have that now, can we?
I watched a show on this the other night. History Channel or National Geographic. Doesnt matter.
It was all about Shipping and AQ's Navy:lol I didnt know they had a navy. Anyway...The stuff and info on that show was very telling about how vulnerable we are to terrorists getting in that way.
Very Very telling.
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Originally posted by rpm
Shipping containers are a bigger threat than Cessnas. But if we were to inspect each and every container that would be a hindrence to business. We can't have that now, can we?
well RPM there in lies a good discussion......were do we let our need for security effect our lives.....IE what level of protection do we apply to make it so the terrorists are effective in there endevors.
inspecting every shipping container would bring imports to a virtual hault. Not saying that it's imposible to do but weigh practicality. When the costs of goods and services accross the board go up 15% and people can no longer afford things that make their life livable........
It makes for a good delema. I just hope and pray that people smarter than me are making those decisions wisely.
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Well gunslinger, what is freedom?
To have the freedom to interfere with other countrys buisness or to get to the grossery shop without having your car searched 2 times in roadblocks along the road?
It is a dilemma, sure.
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Originally posted by patrone
Well gunslinger, what is freedom?
To have the freedom to interfere with other countrys buisness or to get to the grossery shop without having your car searched 2 times in roadblocks along the road?
It is a dilemma, sure.
we were talking about inspecting shipping containers and you are reffering to........what exactly again? What are you referring to "other countrys buisness" and "roadblocks" (dont remember mentioning that one)?
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Originally posted by patrone
Anyway, apart from that: Who is CO for the O`Club squad?
Hey, do you want to really make this squad? I do, but I'd be a terrible CO ....I'm to crappy at the game.
I want to do this......let's figure it out. I'll repost in that other thread and get the ball rolling.
p.s. I like JB88, just a little long winded and a little naive.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
we were talking about inspecting shipping containers and you are reffering to........what exactly again? What are you referring to "other countrys buisness" and "roadblocks" (dont remember mentioning that one)?
Ok, it was all about containers, sorry I missunderstood
(or I hit a sour spot)
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Originally posted by patrone
Ok, it was all about containers, sorry I missunderstood
(or I hit a sour spot)
no this is an interesting thread with a good discussion about our security vrs. way of life.
I figured you were hinting at Iraq and that really doesnt belong here.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Hey, do you want to really make this squad? I do, but I'd be a terrible CO ....I'm to crappy at the game.
I want to do this......let's figure it out. I'll repost in that other thread and get the ball rolling.
p.s. I like JB88, just a little long winded and a little naive.
Let JB88 keep up, his questions are interesting and some even intellegent.
I go for Rolex or as someone said: Skuzzy to be CO, I would be as crappy as you think you would: The ultimate CO would be Ripsnort, but havīnt seen him for a good long while
And : Yeah, I m all in with all my head in this squad. Would be a blast, really
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Originally posted by NUKE
Sandman,
are you against protecting the borders?
Let's just say that I think that it's impossible to secure our borders. Certainly, we can make illegal entry more difficult, but the truly motivated will find a way.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Let's just say that I think that it's impossible to secure our borders. Certainly, we can make illegal entry more difficult, but the truly motivated will find a way.
I agree.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
no this is an interesting thread with a good discussion about our security vrs. way of life.
I figured you were hinting at Iraq and that really doesnt belong here.
No, I was hinting on how long you would go: To let your politics abroad to effect the freedom of your citizens.
Iraq has nothing to do with this, I agree. But some of the security issues, like terrorist threats, might.
To express my thought about this: I dont think that USA is a safer place now, then it was before the invasion of Iraq.
Or would you disagree?
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Originally posted by Otto
Sandman, could you explain why you want to kill the illegal imigrnants? They've done nothing beyond entering the United States improperly. Returning them to their country of orgin would be (to me) the best solution for everyone.
But then..., I'm not a Nazi...
Gotta work on my sarcasm filter.
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They should have random inspection of all containers. At least 1 in every 5 in no particular order. We have tighter inspection of vegitables entering California from other states than we do of foreign containers entering the US. I don't see Californian's going without vegies or paying $7 for a potato.
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Originally posted by rpm
They should have random inspection of all containers. At least 1 in every 5 in no particular order. We have tighter inspection of vegitables entering California from other states than we do of foreign containers entering the US. I don't see Californian's going without vegies or paying $7 for a potato.
why not make people who suck up welfare and sit on their tulips do the work. Makes sense.
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I have no problem with that.
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Originally posted by rpm
I have no problem with that.
see, we have some common ground. Now join the O'Club squad, biatch!
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I already said I would. Pay attention HO!
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Originally posted by rpm
I already said I would. Pay attention HO!
Okay, I'm kinda taking charge then. The start date is Feb 1st.
I can't be the CO, cause I suck too much at AH, but I will organise this. Anyone who wants to do this should email me....it's in the profile.
Also, bump that other thread if you can and tell evryone you are in......get this rolling
looking forward to this.
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Suckiness has no relation to CO... trust me on this.
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Originally posted by rpm
I don't see Californian's going without vegies or paying $7 for a potato.
Buy Oregon Potatos!
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Originally posted by Otto
More important, when the time comes, how the Hell are we going to get 10,000,000 illegal immigrants back across the border and to their country of origin. Has anyone thought of that...?
If you figure 50 per Bus that 200,000 buses.... Do we have that many..? I don't think so...
So what do we do? March them across at gun point? The UN's going to have a 'Hissy Fit' about that.....
Nothing is easy any more.....
FedEx could do it in a few weeks in their new A-380s