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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GreenCloud on January 25, 2005, 07:51:28 PM
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any have experience with these people?
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my wife and I have been doing that business since 1986 when it was called Amway. she hasn't had a job since 1987. we are emeralds with a very large organization that is global in depth. As with any worthwhile venture this business is a tough row to hoe in the beginning. Expect to work hard with little encouragement, much opposition and in fact no encouragement from many people but if you persevere the rewards can be substantial. We make enough money to keep my wife at home and allows me to work 4-6 hours a day and take every friday off. I own my own welding shop. We were able to buy that shop and keep it afloat during the lean times because of the stability that we have with the Quixtar income.
We have not actually built the business (worked at it) since 1995 and the checks just keep coming every month like clock work.
It's better for you if join up with someone who is successful and is willing to help you. Joining the right group is critical to your success.
Watch how tomorrow some tard will come on this site and start asking me to produce tax returns and come within an inch of calling me a liar.
I have nothing to prove, I don't want to sponsor you or anyone new so don't ask me.
As you probably already know I'm pretty much an idiot so my opinion is if this idiot can do it so can you! :D Go for it and don't let anyone talk you into buying any products you don't like and will not use.
A lot of the horror stories come about because people with big hats and few cattle like to "help" others become "big" fast. Wear a small hat and keep a close eye on your herd :aok the rest will take care of itself.
Feel free to ask me any questions, enjoy your ride.
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
Qixtar: any have experience with these people?
Originally posted by storch
my wife have been doing that business since 1986 when it was called Amway.
:rofl
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Information (http://www.mlmsurvivor.com/index.htm) is your friend.
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Ha!
I remember when an "old highschool friend" i vaguely remembered in school wanted me to go out to dinner and learn about this exciting "venture" he was looking to do. He showed me all these "successful and famous people".....purported Walter Cronkite and others are supposed big wigs in their firm...and boy, didnt they hide the fact it was AMWAY as hard as I could.
Good ole pyramid scams....
I laughed out loud, let him buy me dinner and told him to get a real job. Last I saw, he was a rent-a-cop at the local mall. Yay AmWAY!
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Originally posted by LePaul
Ha!
I remember when an "old highschool friend" i vaguely remembered in school wanted me to go out to dinner and learn about this exciting "venture" he was looking to do. He showed me all these "successful and famous people".....purported Walter Cronkite and others are supposed big wigs in their firm...and boy, didnt they hide the fact it was AMWAY as hard as I could.
Good ole pyramid scams....
I laughed out loud, let him buy me dinner and told him to get a real job. Last I saw, he was a rent-a-cop at the local mall. Yay AmWAY!
Stuff like this every time greencloud. need I say more?
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ya storch..apreciate it..
The idea seems to be a good one..but im still researching it..
I felt it wasnt really liek ammway at all..
I thought Amway was somthn you ..bought all sorts of crap and store it at your house..then try to sell it..
quixtar-INA..seems to be just running a website that links you to other shops..ect?..right?
I was aproached about 5 years ago whne i was a sales manager at a country club..this guy wanted to hold a meeting ..so i was renting him the space..food ect...I told him..looks good ..bu ti wasnt in to it then...
3 weeks ago ..Im at Nordstroms trying to find a coupel suits...I strt talkn to thi solder guy..60's i think...He says..."I think you could do very well "...so...now after a few times talkn to him..him givn me all sort sof material.."most of it i would call crap...motivational speeches and stuff...(im not depressed)..they seem to all say..."Aim Hi!...MAke Goals....blah blah"
I have only briefly goen thru the websites....
hmm
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
ya storch..apreciate it..
The idea seems to be a good one..but im still researching it..
I felt it wasnt really liek ammway at all..
I thought Amway was somthn you ..bought all sorts of crap and store it at your house..then try to sell it..
quixtar-INA..seems to be just running a website that links you to other shops..ect?..right?
I was aproached about 5 years ago whne i was a sales manager at a country club..this guy wanted to hold a meeting ..so i was renting him the space..food ect...I told him..looks good ..bu ti wasnt in to it then...
3 weeks ago ..Im at Nordstroms trying to find a coupel suits...I strt talkn to thi solder guy..60's i think...He says..."I think you could do very well "...so...now after a few times talkn to him..him givn me all sort sof material.."most of it i would call crap...motivational speeches and stuff...(im not depressed)..they seem to all say..."Aim Hi!...MAke Goals....blah blah"
I have only briefly goen thru the websites....
hmm
NP M8
Couple of pointers
Don't let anyone blow smoke up your arse.
You will need to sell product, that's where you make the most money. once someone tries it they usually stay brand loyal the core products are that good.
90% of the people in the business are full of ***** listen to what they say but watch their feet and see what they do.
If you work it like would a part time job in about one year you will be making better than full time money.
most of the people that we sponsored (9 front line) quit. 3 stayed. working with those three allowed us and one of them to become financially free. the other two make some money but nothing to write home about. I'll guess $6000.00 per year but at some point they gave up too soon. from those three groups there is a tremendous depth that was unexpected but very welcome. The one couple that is making money are diamonds and make wayyyyyyy more than we do. I just ain't that ambitious and people are a pain in the arse after a bit so that's why we stopped where we're at.
In any event it's a great retirement plan. like i said the checks come in every month.
If you see NORD1 online he started a few months ago. ask him how he's doing.
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amway or whatever it's called now makes most of it's money from sales and fees to it's "dealers" or whatever they are called.
the way it works is if you can sign up a bunch of people who each sign up a bunch of people who then each sign up a bunch of people you can sit back and watch the money roll in.
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Originally posted by john9001
amway or whatever it's called now makes most of it's money from sales and fees to it's "dealers" or whatever they are called.
the way it works is if you can sign up a bunch of people who each sign up a bunch of people who then each sign up a bunch of people you can sit back and watch the money roll in.
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another expert. :rolleyes:
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not an unexpected response. especially coming from someone who choses his handle by using the nickname of an effeminate 16th century french monarch. I bet you have all of the village people's releases too huh. :D
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Originally posted by storch
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another expert. :rolleyes:
http://www.ftc.gov/foia/quixtar.pdf
check it out, not such a good idea
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Originally posted by jEEZY
http://www.ftc.gov/foia/quixtar.pdf
check it out, not such a good idea
apparently those were IBOs (independant business operators) straying outside of the legal bounds. It happens, whether you work for corporate america or whether you work on your own.
refer to my previous posts.
I just took the time to sample read some of those complaints. :rofl Quixtar is a business not unlike many others. Not everyone is cut out for self employment. It takes hard work, many hours invested for few hours paying off. you must be self motivated and be able to :rofl at human nature.
Quixtar is not for every one. In fact it's for very few. If you are one of those few then the success is hard to refute. going strong since 1959 inspite of many abuses from disreputable IBOs and morons who think a six figure income is easy to come by. I get a real kick out of a 30K a year guy telling me that 300K per year is impossible to earn. I guess it's a matter of perspective.
Thanks for posting that humorous read from the FTC complaints.
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Originally posted by jEEZY
http://www.ftc.gov/foia/quixtar.pdf
check it out, not such a good idea
Sham city
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Originally posted by storch
apparently those were IBOs (independant business operators) straying outside of the legal bounds. It happens, whether you work for corporate america or whether you work on your own.
refer to my previous posts.
With due respect, Storch, and while we've clashed in the past I DO believe you're a good guy with good intentions, I think this could be one of those 'cognitive dissonance' moments.
I had a couple of friends that did Amway over the past couple decades, and both times, it created real awkwardness and put a strain on our relationship. Yet, Amway advocates starting with friends and family (because they're an easy audience as they already know you), a practice that, based on the 90%+ failure rate, is almost guarenteed to result in unhappiness.
I mention cognitive dissonance because there's so much evidence that Amway is a losing proposition for everyone except Amway. Even if some people can break even or even prosper (like you), it's A: extremely rare, and B: a success built on exploiting the sense of obligation people have when dealing with friends/friendly people.
I could not, in good conscience, try to talk other people into joining the organization KNOWING how many end up losing $$$. Even if three out of ten friends break even, I'd be responsible for the other seven failing because the odds are stacked so highly against success.
If you like the products, cool, buy them. One of my friends swore by them and said the Fruitios (can't remember the name of the Fruit Loop replacement) tasted great and cost less then 3/4 what the brand name cost and tasted just as good. Of course, I didn't have the heart to tell him about the Fruit Loop knockoffs in the plastic bag at the store that cost half THAT, but...
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Originally posted by storch
apparently those were IBOs (independant business operators) straying outside of the legal bounds. It happens, whether you work for corporate america or whether you work on your own.
If you want more substantive FTC complaint files I will be happy to post links--this is but the tip of the iceberg as it were. Note that the Amway litigation and investigation essentiallly shut them down once and they were re-born as a new entity.
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Thank you for your thoughtful post. Perhaps that is why we have succeeded where others have failed.
I was instructed by my sponsor to make a list and provide him with it. Subject list was to be at least 100 people large and include family and friends. Enter storch's street upbringing and healthy skepticism. I made a list it included business contacts that were unimportant to me and neighbors that I despized. (I wanted to save my family and friends from possible financial compromise, if this was good I would contact them later)
I kept my list to myself, I am first and foremost a salesman. I know how to approach, how pitch, when to shut up, when to apply pressure and when to back down. mostly I know how to close. I weld because I enjoy it. selling allows me to weld.
back to amway.
We sponsored nine front line distributors, three stayed. of those three, the guy I despized the most, an eletronics engineer working for Motorola in Sunrise Fl. went big fast and made a ton of money. because of how the business developes and because I had constructed my business thoughtfully I was able to capitalize on his success. through the years the geometric progression works more and more in my favor. for the experts out there I have three qualifying legs, hundreds deep and still do 7500pv on the side because my wife is a hugger and a seller. if you stand still she'll hug and ask you how you feel. If you don't respond she'll dust you off and sell you. It's a great partnership. I have the added benefit that inspite of my many character flaws and personality quirks, she likes me. How can anyone beat that.
As I posted previously, you MUST SELL PRODUCT. If you don't how will you earn money? People are afraid of selling because they fear rejection. I guess some guys never get laid. If you want to get laid, you spot a prospect, you make contact, you pitch your idea. The prospect responds yes or no. If it's no then you look for another prospect. It worked for me when I was single, why wouldn't work with AMWAY????:D
When I thought I was successful enough I approached my family and friends, they all rejected me because.......of course you can do it storch, you are a great bullshirter. Me??? I could never do that. Perhaps they were all correct. In any event. " you wake up every mornin to the alarm clock's warnin to take the 8:15 into the city There's a whistle up above & people pushin people shovin & the girls all trying to look pretty and if your train's on time you can get to work by 9:00 to start your slavin job to get your pay. If you ever get annoyed look at me I'm self employed, I like to work at nothin all day." Each to his own. given the choice I'll pipe my secretary a few times a week during working hours, my wife loves it when I do. :aok
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Originally posted by jEEZY
If you want more substantive FTC complaint files I will be happy to post links--this is but the tip of the iceberg as it were. Note that the Amway litigation and investigation essentiallly shut them down once and they were re-born as a new entity.
Amway is a very above board company selling products through a non-traditional method. The ethics and review board does a good job of clamping down on unethical distributors. I believe that the distributor base is around one million strong, naturally questionable things occur. Caveat Emptor is the rule of the day. even though most of us want Uncle sugar to protect us from all things foul at the end of the day we are responsible for our decisions. I personally have a no whimp rule in my business.
Plus I haven't been actively building it since the summer of 1995.
of course I could just be making all this up too. I want to impress people on an obscure bulletin board. Yes that's it my poor self image causes me to boast.