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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Toad on January 26, 2005, 09:12:46 AM
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How many of yas did this stuff when you were 9 years old or so?
Boys arrested for stick figure drawings (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/01/26/drawings.arrests.ap/index.html)
Two boys were arrested for making pencil-and-crayon stick figure drawings depicting a 10-year-old classmate being stabbed and hung, police said. The children, charged with a felony, were taken from school in handcuffs.
There may be more to the story than CNN is putting up, but this seems like a SERIOUS overreaction on the part of the legal system. IMO.
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Without reading the article, I'm betting that the phrase 'zero tolerance' shows up. That concept causes far more problems then it 'solves'.
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well in our country you can not be arested if you are not 15 years of age.
If you commit some crime, you parents are responsible for your action. If child commit some serious child, it can be taken from family and put into special (like a prison) institution for children. At age of 18 child is released and free. [ if child have no mental problems.]
I remember quite well that we often drawed hell a lot of battle fields and porn never ever been punushed for that... may i got some special homework from teacher or something like that :D
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I wonder if you can get arrested for playing Hangman? :confused:
Karaya
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call the FBI im a felon
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1106755256_hang.jpg)
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The Black van should be pulling up now.
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Originally posted by JB73
call the FBI im a felon
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1106755256_hang.jpg)
lol
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thats obsurd!!!!!!!!!!!! i am shocked!!!!!!!
I say Give the 9 year olds the death sentence!!!!!
Stabbing and hanging of stick figures is sooo innappriate!!!!!!!!!!!
They should be ashamed of themselves!!!!!
WHats next them stealing other kids pencils!!!!
Some peoples children
THE megaSTUD :D
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Originally posted by JB73
call the FBI im a felon
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1106755256_hang.jpg)
ROTFLMMFAO!!!!
Karaya
PS - It looks like Howard Cosell drew that.
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I'd imagine that this is the result of a no tollerance policy on the part of the school district. Once the situation is discovered the principal likely had no recourse other than to call the Police about it. With this type of policy in place they would be adamant about filing a complaint with the Police who would have no choice about responding to the complaint.
There is insufficient data in the article to know for sure but I'd bet on this as the scenario as what happened.
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What raised my eyebrows was the "charged with a felony" part.
Is there any common sense left anywhere in our schools?
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no. sadly. there probably isnt.
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Originally posted by Maverick
I'd imagine that this is the result of a no tollerance policy on the part of the school district. Once the situation is discovered the principal likely had no recourse other than to call the Police about it. With this type of policy in place they would be adamant about filing a complaint with the Police who would have no choice about responding to the complaint.
There is insufficient data in the article to know for sure but I'd bet on this as the scenario as what happened.
I'd bet money you are 100% right.
the truly messed up part is the principle had no choice but to do it, the cops had no choice but to pick the kid up and charge him, and likely some prosecutor with political dreams in his future won't want to appear soft on crime (especially on the subject of 'violence in schools') so he'll have to prosecute.
like a big game of chicken with this kids future in the balance. everybody knows this is stupid but no-one wants to go on record as the one who put a stop to it.
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I am not suprised at all.
When a country can lock in 13 years olds at Gitmo and keep them for years.
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Originally posted by JB73
call the FBI im a felon
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1106755256_hang.jpg)
ROFL
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Jeebus! If they'd had this kind of thing when I was in grade school I'd have gotten the chair before I turned 11.
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May be we could expect something like " They used to do it in Spart. And it was Ok." In near feature.
Look, they already lock up children to the Jail, some of them want to annihilate old people, some of them mind to take care of their own parents....
ohhh welll :D
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sadly, this is the result of not having enough "art classes" in school, our children are forced to draw "stick figures", we need more federal funding of art classes.
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hoorah!
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OMG evil stick figure drawings turn kids violent, must stop them by any means possible...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v365/82NDAIRBORNE/BurningMan.gif)
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Well, if these kids had been caught with guns and shooting at GI's, maybe they'd be at Gitmo too.
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The odd thing about this Story is that is's a Speical Needs School, for children with A.L.D/A.D.D. Our school systems here are not the best with this Zero tolerance.. And I think this is a bit over kill on the whole thing.
Assresting a child 9-10 for drawings.. that is just plain nuts. What ever happened to going to councelors..
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why has karaya got a 20 ft hair with legs growing out of the top of his head?
my avatar is really mr black fighting off everyone at this years convention. (in mr blacks own mind)
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You forgot the knives.... :D
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/514_1106765265_180_1106755256_hang.jpg)
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It's an example of the "sky is falling" mentality that has been running rampant in the good old USA the last 10 years or so..we must mitigate all perceived risk don't ya know.
shamus
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No Choice??!?!?!
what bulls***
so maybe we shouldn't have held Nazi's accountable... they were under orders ..... they had no choice .......
They had a choice .. just like people I knew in my public school experiance .... They have a CHOICE ... they just choose the greedy selfish side that protects thier own weak behinds.
He/she's more worried about loseing thier job than worried about this kids LIFE.......
Perspective people .... don't lose it .... I'm gettign really sick and tired of this "I had no choice, it's my job mentality" You always have a choice ... and this Pricipal is a weak weak person, concerned with risking thier own job it seems......
The whole system is a joke ...... a joke on the children
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the system serves the system, not the student ....
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Without reading the article, I'm betting that the phrase 'zero tolerance' shows up. That concept causes far more problems then it 'solves'.
Michigan was one of the first to pass these goofy laws, that is why we have a long list of kid's who have been booted out of school for having nail clippers, nail files, butter knives, aspirin etc. in thier possesion
shamus
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There's something really wrong in a country which does that to the childrens.
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You guys are all so smart I tell ya its amazing, listen I agree with you that locking up these kids may have been a bit over the top. But consider what would have happened if two weeks these two innocent little kids came to school and started killing kids. Well then once the drawings were found, and it was realized that the school had prior knowledge of these things then people would be calling for the head of everyone at that school.
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In most schools today the admin feels like it has no choice, even in the situations it does.
When I teach at the PD academy, I feel for the officers who get called to be school resource officers. In the old days, when two kids got in a fight the football coach would grab both of them by their necks and drag them to in-house for a few days. Try that now and see how many lawsuits get filed. Besides, most admins are terrified that the next Columbine is about to happen at their school.
So what do they do? They call the guy with the badge and the gun for the slightest infraction. Except he's required to submit a report when it happens. And then the county attorney must figure out a way to deal with it. Becuase if we hammer the kid, we're over-reacting. If we dismiss it or don't file charges, then nothing is happening to the kid because there's no school punnishment. So we're saying their behavior is OK. So we have to figure out some other course and it ties up the system rather than helping or going after the kids who really need it.
With any luck, the county attorney in this situation will have the kids seen by a shrink and they will say it was just a case of boys doing stupid crap. Then the charges will be dismissed.
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is there even a correlation between violent drawings and kids that go on murder sprees at school?
somehow I doubt it .... it's kneejerk BS reaction.... you don't even know if the two things have anythign to do with one another.....
Sooner or later people will have to come to terms with the fact that SAFETY IS AN ILLUSION
Maybe they shouldn't be forceing kids to goto schools they often don't want to be in. This is often done because the school gets money for kids attending thier school.... if said kid is gettign nothing but negtive feelings out of school and you force him to go, is he likely to snap ...?
There's proably as much correlation between that as drawing viloent images then acting them out ....
BS knee-jerk reaction .... based on not even on sudo-science.....
I'm sure you can find pleanty of kids that draw violent things that wouldn't hurt a fly, and others that would .... it's an indication of NOTHING
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Reminds me of the PC lobby trying to ban Punch and Judy.
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Originally posted by RTStuka
But consider what would have happened if two weeks these two innocent little kids came to school and started killing kids.
That means I should've killed quite a few students by now
Not to forget some random terrorist acts like blowing up ships, buildings, tanks, passenger jets, fighter jets, soldiers....
...Whatever a kid can figure up on the paper :D
Oh yeah.. the legos are a whole different story, I was quite brutal with the 'accidents' that happened to my lego personnel and objects!
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hmm guess this site in BIG twouble
stick death rocks!!! (http://www.stickdeath.com/frameset.htm)
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I agree with Stuka.
And besides, I dunno how retarded you lot are but I know I never drew pictures, stick ones or not, of people being hung and stabbed when I was younger.
If nothing else happens to them legally, at least they will have got the fright of their life and will think twice about bullying again. Cos although it doesnt mention it in the article, you can bet that is what had been happening.
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ok, but then lets take it further.
lets attack the television and movie culture which sells and promotes the very same violence.
how is a kid doing it anywhere near as reprehensible as a stratosphere of violence raining down on them.
christ, talk to the kids...dont friggen arrest em...and if you are going to, then you better be ready to take it all down.
perhaps i should write a letter to da terminata.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
You forgot the knives.... :D
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/514_1106765265_180_1106755256_hang.jpg)
:D
Why taking soch a soft approach? We Americans should set the example of being tough on crime.
Just take em out and shoot em, problem solved...Friggin liberals and their police handcuffs ****in up the program for us decent God - Fearin folk.
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(http://images.ibsys.com/2005/0126/4131786.jpg)
one of the felonious drawings captured by our advanced JB news team.
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ohhhh i forgot...
Jeremy drew pictures:
of mountain tops
with him on top
lemin yellow sun
arms raised in a V
dead lay in pools of maroon below
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vouchers.... we need school vouchers.
lazs
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Zero Tolerance. That's good ol' conservative family values at work. Counciling the boys would be a bunch of liberal hogwash. Lock 'em up and throw away the key!
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Originally posted by Toad
How many of yas did this stuff when you were 9 years old or so?
Boys arrested for stick figure drawings (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/01/26/drawings.arrests.ap/index.html)
There may be more to the story than CNN is putting up, but this seems like a SERIOUS overreaction on the part of the legal system. IMO.
What do you think the proper reaction would be for that Toad? Drawing pictures of your classmates being stabbed, etc... and naming them?
Les
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We used to make these neat animations using a flat and rolled up sheet (pencil sized) so it looked like *****g when you moved the pencil back and forth.:D
That was the extent of our artistic escapades in school, and we woulda got in trouble for that if they'd a caught us.
But really, drawings can represent a death threat, I'm sure you've seen enough movies to understand that. Drawings are not that much different from writing except maybe more serious (or respected) when violent themes are involved..
Les
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Originally posted by Leslie
But really, drawings can represent a death threat, I'm sure you've seen enough movies to understand that. Drawings are not that much different from writing except maybe more serious (or respected) when violent themes are involved..
...and young kids are well known from monthly threats, daily insults, and what not. ;)
GAY!!!111
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Originally posted by lazs2
vouchers.... we need school vouchers.
lazs
NO!!!! ANYTHING but the vouchers! :lol
Karaya
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They sure as heck are Fishu. But I consider young kids to be under nine years old. If they haven't learned by then, it's too late most times. Their personality is established pretty much by that age, imo.
Les
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Dam I sure hope I dont have to raise kids this day and age..... what a bunch of crap.........
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Originally posted by rpm
Zero Tolerance. That's good ol' conservative family values at work. Counciling the boys would be a bunch of liberal hogwash. Lock 'em up and throw away the key!
And just who do you suppose came up with the zero tolerance policy?
Wouldn't have happened during slick Willie's love fest with the attorneys would it?
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Why it was those right wing, knee jerking, family values types. Or did'nt you know that already?
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it was colombine.
took that much just to address the issue, much less overreact to it.
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Originally posted by JB88
it was colombine.
took that much just to address the issue, much less overreact to it.
Very good point.
But this is way over board I think.
If anything have a child psychologist talk to the kid.
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Originally posted by Leslie
What do you think the proper reaction would be for that Toad? Drawing pictures of your classmates being stabbed, etc... and naming them?
Les
At age 9?
I think it's a problem that is dealt with within the school environment.
I'm sure they have a school policy on it. The kids and their parents should be brought in, the policy reviewed ("Don't do this or we'll suspend you", or whatever) and a clear outline of the response if it happens again (suspension or whatever).
Then let the parents handle it again at home in their own ways.
I think it's incredibly stupid to hand 9 year olds over to the legal system on felony charges over their stick drawings. At that age, I and a lot of others were drawing "war" pictures. Airplanes bombing ships, ships shooting ships, stick soldiers bayonetting stick soldiers.
I doubt most child psychologists would see this episode as an immediate red-flag warning sign. If they did, I seriously doubt they'd suggest tossing the kids to the legal sharks on felony charges.
Now I'll ask you a question.
The definition of a "felony" is:
A major criminal offense punishable by death or by imprisonment for more than one year in a state prison. (compare Infraction, Misdemeanor)
Do YOU think this stick figure drawing rises to the level of a crime punishable by death or more than a year in prison for 9 year olds?
We don't let 9 year olds vote or drink or drive cars. Why? Because they aren't responsible enough, don't have enough judgement and basically can't "reason" well enough.
So, you want these children brought up on felony charges when they are clearly guilty of this serious :rolleyes: crime?
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not even remotely.
its just plain ridiculous.
whats worse is all of the media attention the kids are probably getting. im sure they are going to be real interested in expressing themselves again soon.
or worse.
they will see how powerful it can actually be.
they ought to arrest the officers that took him in for a felony. as if it couldnt have been smoothed out. i mean really now.
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Originally posted by JB88
they ought to arrest the officers that took him in for a felony. as if it couldnt have been smoothed out. i mean really now.
LOL:rofl man aint that the truth.
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Originally posted by JB88
they ought to arrest the officers that took him in for a felony. as if it couldnt have been smoothed out. i mean really now.
LOL:rofl man aint that the truth.
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But Toad, what about a 10 year old who becomes disruptive on a bus, kicks a Sheffif's Deputy in the nuts, and gets carted off in handcuffs?
Les
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You're probably right Toad. I don't know much about kids, can only think about how tough it must be to bring up children. I was one and I must have given my folks hell. And I was a good kid I'm told. Didn't whine all the time or cry.
My parents were smart, they had me after my brother graduated high school, so they could deal with one at a time.:D
Les