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NEW YORK (AP) -- An appeals court Tuesday revived part of a class-action lawsuit blaming McDonald's for making people fat, reinstating claims pertaining to deceptive advertising.
A three-judge panel of the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said a lower court judge erred when he dismissed parts of the lawsuit brought on behalf of two New York children.
U.S. District Judge Robert Sweet dismissed the lawsuit in 2003 because he said it failed to link the children's alleged health problems directly to McDonald's products.
But the appeals judges said New York's general business law requires a plaintiff to show only that deceptive advertising was misleading and that the plaintiff was injured as a result. The panel upheld other parts of the dismissal.
In a statement, Oak Brook, Ill.-based McDonald's Corp. said "common sense tells you this particular case makes no sense," adding the ruling "simply delays the inevitable conclusion that this case is without merit."
A message left for the lawyer representing two children named in the lawsuit was not immediately returned.
The lawsuit alleges that tens of thousands of children have suffered obesity, diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, elevated cholesterol and other health problems after being misled about McDonald's products.
Sweet ruled that consumers cannot blame McDonald's if they choose to eat at its fast-food restaurants.
"If a person knows or should know that eating copious orders of supersized McDonald's products is unhealthy and may result in weight gain," Sweet had written, "it is not the place of the law to protect them from their own excesses."
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Thats about the same for eating at subway and then file a lawsuit against them for making me skinny :rofl
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No just a bunch fat-%^&*, lazy-prettythanged people looking for another f^&king free-ride. GET OUT AND JOG MORE!!! That would be my slogan.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Thats about the same for eating at subway and then file a lawsuit against them for making me skinny :rofl
lol
have ya'll seen the new commercials with kirsty ally yet? ho boy.
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That reminds me of something funny. Wife watches maury a lot, and there was one show about fat kids. One woman was on there with a like 200lb 7yr old kid. She said she takes him to mcdonalds every day and gives him 2 quarter pounders for breakfast. Then she goes on national tv on how overweight her son is.
Common sense like that is like one of them PETA kids crying cause you caught a fish and "forcefully and abuseively removed it from its natural home." A fish's natural home is in my stomach.
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git in ma bellay!
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Im so sexy...........look at my sexy body
(http://austinspad.tripod.com/images/photos/ap2/fatbastard10.jpg)
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Originally stated by some lawyer
..."If a person knows or should know that eating copious orders of supersized McDonald's products is unhealthy and may result in weight gain," Sweet had written, "it is not the place of the law to protect them from their own excesses."...
Isn't that the cigarette manufacturer's arguement?
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if ya'll could just refrain from the word "cigarette" for just a few days....lol
MMRRRRAAAAAAGGGGNNNNNN!
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Well, I guess it's true what we conservatives have been sayin all along: Guns don't kill people.............
fast food does:lol
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Originally posted by JB88
if ya'll could just refrain from the word "cigarette" for just a few days....lol
MMRRRRAAAAAAGGGGNNNNNN!
cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette cigarette..........
are ya feelin the love, yet?:D
Seriously though, 88, I hope you make it this time, I really do:aok
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lol.
<---- loading rifle clip...scanning topigraphcal map for high ground.
:)
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Originally posted by JB88
lol.
<---- loading rifle clip...scanning topigraphcal map for high ground.
:)
Uhh..I don't reeeeely live in Richmond, TX like it says below my avatar. Nosir, that's just something I put on there to fill space. Yeah, that's it. Uh I reeeely live in......um.......New Zealand. Yeah.
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Originally posted by slimm50
Uhh..I don't reeeeely live in Richmond, TX like it says below my avatar. Nosir, that's just something I put on there to fill space. Yeah, that's it. Uh I reeeely live in......um.......New Zealand. Yeah.
friggin kiwi's.
LOL
(note. this note was written in the depths of a nicotine fit and should not be confused with any actual predjudice against, or distain for the good citizens of new zealand who shall probably, for the period of a few days, feel the full weight of my rage. )
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The answer: "ignored. chickens. right thinking neo-fascist bullyboys. arm chair war mongers who tout it but arent there doing it themselves. any idiot who accuses a man with an opinion of being un-patriotic.
The question: "What does a typical guest list look like when JB88 hosts a dinner party?"
:rofl
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im sorry. did you say somethin?
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Originally posted by JB88
(http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/zxu/Wrestling/Rock%20mugshot.jpg)
im sorry. did you say somethin?
i said steroids are illegal now.
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In sweden they plan to take obese children to state custody if their parents can't control their eating habbits.
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who said cigarette!?
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Holy ****! God forbid we are responsible for what we shove down our faces.
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McDonalds widely introduced the super size concept that encourages you to buy larger fries and a larger drink at a discounted price. While I'm not sure they are legaly liable they certainly are responisble for a great deal of weight gain because of the distored portion sizes they reccomend with super size which adds hundreds of calories on top of a regular fast food meal.
And thats relly the big problem, you can eat fast food weekly and be healthy but only if you control portion sizes and cut back on some of the execessive things like super sizr fries, the half gallon tubs of full sugar soda that these places sell, and triple bacon cheezeburgers etc.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
McDonalds widely introduced the super size concept that encourages you to buy larger fries and a larger drink at a discounted price. While I'm not sure they are legaly liable they certainly are responisble for a great deal of weight gain because of the distored portion sizes they reccomend with super size which adds hundreds of calories on top of a regular fast food meal.
And thats relly the big problem, you can eat fast food weekly and be healthy but only if you control portion sizes and cut back on some of the execessive things like super sizr fries, the half gallon tubs of full sugar soda that these places sell, and triple bacon cheezeburgers etc.
<---- salivating. honey! where are my car keys!?
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Dunno if it's true but I heard that in the US fast food is a lot cheaper than any basic restaurant.
Is that true ?
When in France for about the same amount of money I can choose between fast food or traditionnal meal (and often traditionnal is cheaper).
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Originally posted by straffo
Dunno if it's true but I heard that in the US fast food is a lot cheaper than any basic restaurant.
Is that true ?
When in France for about the same amount of money I can choose between fast food or traditionnal meal (and often traditionnal is cheaper).
le big mac.
:)
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Any of you are old enough to remember the original size fries in the paper holder? MacDonalds still have those in Japan. :)
They don't even have quarter pounders (too big) and a small drink is, er... small. No 55-gallon drums being used as drink cups.
The new American CEO tried to start the large-sizing (not even Super Size) thing at the registers and you should see the reaction. The staff are sheepish about asking now because people just look at them with that 'why-would-I-want-that-much-food-since-it's-only-going-to-make-me-fat' look in their eye.
Maybe I'll have to use the old cell phone camera to post some pictures...
[added] Burger king was in Japan for a few years and corporate HQ insisted that nothing be changed to adapt to Japan - nothing. Same sizes of everything. They'll learn to love it. We know what's best.
They went out of business 2 years ago. Gone.
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Funny, when I was 12 back around 1969 and my family had just moved back to the US from Japan, I saw my first McDonalds. At that time the big mac, fries, large soda, and milk shake were the same size as todays super sized. We weren't obese back then. Also our parents threw us out of the house to go play baseball, football, shoot at each other with BB rifles from dirt forts, ride our bycicles, whatever kids do out side.......
Oh I forget, we didn't sit on our big tards then and play game box or what ever. And our parents didnt obsess that some pervert was hiding under the back porch waiting to eat us. Or weren't terrified our neighbor had guns in the house, or they would get suied if their kid played with yours. When was the last time any of you saw 18 kids alone playing pickup baseball in a empty lot or at the local park? I walk 3 miles a day getting to and from public transportation. The first year I worked at my current company I ate a supersized big mac meal every work day for lunch because a McDonalds is in our cafeteria. I have not put on any weight.
Follow the money guys.
This suit is being patterened after the tobbaco industry suit. No state that has received payouts from that suit has used the money for other than paying off their budget debts or funding newer and more rediculous programs unrelated to smoking. The settelement stated a portion of the money was to be used for antismoking advertising/ programs for children, and the rest to offset the supposed increased state health care costs due to smokers.
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Just wait till you guys read about my court case against the producers of "Pretty Woman", I am suing because I have spent my life searching for true love with hookers. Now I suffer from 8 different STD's and its all because that movie made me think I could find love.
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:rofl
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
McDonalds widely introduced the super size concept that encourages you to buy larger fries and a larger drink at a discounted price. While I'm not sure they are legaly liable they certainly are responisble for a great deal of weight gain because of the distored portion sizes they reccomend with super size which adds hundreds of calories on top of a regular fast food meal.
And thats relly the big problem, you can eat fast food weekly and be healthy but only if you control portion sizes and cut back on some of the execessive things like super sizr fries, the half gallon tubs of full sugar soda that these places sell, and triple bacon cheezeburgers etc.
Well, that is partially true. They did introduce the supersize concept after they found that places like 7-11 did very well with their whole Big Gulp thing.
Alcohol will be next, just wait. I'm suprised they didn't go after them first. They probably have a better case, I mean who really meets girls like that at a tailgate party and how many of them really drink Coors light.
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The wonders never cease.
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No grun! No!
McDonalds, Burger King, Marlboro or Miller are not forcing you to buy their products! They offer food products for the prices given to you showing you completely what comes with the food. It is your choice to go how big you want, not some dirty communist hippie from California.
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man nothing about the fat badtard-mcdonalds- picture???
CMON!
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
No grun! No!
McDonalds, Burger King, Marlboro or Miller are not forcing you to buy their products! They offer food products for the prices given to you showing you completely what comes with the food. It is your choice to go how big you want, not some dirty communist hippie from California.
Not forcing, but certainly encouraging and promoting the larger portion sizes as a better value. These super size options add literaly hundreds of extra calories beyond the allready 1000 calories provided by a lets say 400 calorie burger, 400 calorie medium fries and 200 calorie soda. The nutritional guidelines suggest 2000 calories daily intake so one super size meal easily gives you 75% of daily caloric intake disguised as a "value."
Thats where MCD is at fault, by grossly
distorting what a serving size is suppsed to be. They might not be legally liable but their producy marketing practices are responsible for people choosing to eat these large poirtions. Now before you say the obvious that people choose what they eat I will give you another obvious - marketing does work and it does influence a customers buying behavior. MCD marketing of supersize worked extremelyu well as you can see by the other fast food places which copied it.
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if you notice they dont have :small" anything on the menu anymore. it starts at medium. at least around here and a few other cities ive been to recently.
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It's not their job to become health nuts. It's their job to sell their food.
Encouragement doesn't mean anything. You don't have a gun to your head when you supersize your meal. No one holds a gun to your head to buy their food. No one holds a gun to your head to even enter their restaurant.
You cannot punish McDonalds for YOUR choices which were NOT forced upon you.
(btw, if you didn't know that Fast Food was fatty, you should have your voting priviledges revoked until you can pass an IQ test.)
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Just being within 1 mile of a McDonald's is enough to be taken under the influence of their "brain wave osmomitor plasma spectral amorphisizing rectal anylizing rail gun" ( with red dye #3)
This is the device that "makes you fat"
In other news, fat arses are known become fat.... as hard as it may be to believe...simply by eating too much food.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
It's not their job to become health nuts. It's their job to sell their food.
Encouragement doesn't mean anything. You don't have a gun to your head when you supersize your meal. No one holds a gun to your head to buy their food. No one holds a gun to your head to even enter their restaurant.
You cannot punish McDonalds for YOUR choices which were NOT forced upon you.
(btw, if you didn't know that Fast Food was fatty, you should have your voting priviledges revoked until you can pass an IQ test.)
Everyone knows fast food is "fatty."
Especially MCDonalds. And what did they do? Suggest that their customers eat much larger portions of it at every meal.
I cewratinly said nothing about punish, in fact I saod they prolly arent legally liable, but they sure as hell are responsible for this unhealthly increase ion portion sizes.
However food is not much different than any other product that people can choose to use in whatever quantities they wish or choose beteen different options. Take pestiocides or asbestos, both have benefits and their manufactureses had (by your styandard) only the responsibility to sell as much of their product and market these products as effectively as possible, thats it, right? But we know how that turned out for many of those companies.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Everyone knows fast food is "fatty."
I cewratinly said nothing about punish, in fact I saod they prolly arent legally liable, but they sure as hell are responsible for this unhealthly increase ion portion sizes.
What, does McDonalds force people to eat all the food or something?
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It doesnt, but you dont need to force anytone to increse their consumption of a potntially harmful product and be held liable for its effects.
Your agrument of "force" is simply a red herring and quite irrelevant legaly and logically in the real world.
Look at my argument here without your preconception of a simple framework that l;ets you rejecting everything out of hand.
MD markets portion sizes that are grossly enlarged and taht offer hundreds of extra calories beyond thair allready high aclorie food choices.
They market this product intensively and reccomend it as a great value to the customer.
Other fast food comapnies ntice the sucess of MD and copy the approach over the past decade or so.
This rwsults in an aggregate rise oin portion sizes and calories consumed nationwide, leading to greater weight and related health problems.
Nobody was forced to eat them bt the companies are responsible for marketing these higher calorie products.
Really not much different than pestice companies who marketed the value of ddt or other chemicals. They didnt force anyone to use their products either, but we know how that turned out.
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They're responsible for marketing it to make a bigger profit, as any company is in business to do. It's the fault of fat tulips (like myself...well, except mcd's is pretty blecch) who provide a market for these items by purchasing them.
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Grun
Are you saying a resaurant should have a legal portion limit? What about all you can eat places? They advertise "all you can eat"
The whole lawsuit is bogus and you both know it.
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deceptive marketing.
you right handers should know all about that nuke.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Grun
Are you saying a resaurant should have a legal portion limit? What about all you can eat places? They advertise "all you can eat"
The whole lawsuit is bogus and you both know it.
Well, he did pretty much say that he didn't think they were legally liable.
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Nuke where do I say that MD is legally responsible? I say that its prolly not.
No portion size laws should be enacted. The fast food companies shpould change theitr menues and guess what, they are.
But MD clearly is responsible for marketing these products and suggesti g them as better values.
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Originally posted by JB88
deceptive marketing.
you right handers should know all about that nuke.
Why don't you define deceptive marketing as it applies to McDonalds.
What if McDonalds have a kids meal and it contained 15 hamburgers, a shake and 3 large fries.....all for 99 cents.
Is that illegal? I'd call it a good deal for the money. So, some mom buys this "kids" meal and allows her kick to eat all of it. She buys them for her kid 3 times a week. The kid gets fat, so she should be able to go after McDonalds for damages?
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no. it isnt illegal. i was framing the arguement for you.
besides, to win a civil claim a law need not be broken for a law to be applied.
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Originally posted by SOB
Well, he did pretty much say that he didn't think they were legally liable.
And I never said he did.
but they sure as hell are responsible for this unhealthly increase ion portion sizes.
I was refering to this.
McDonalds can make portion sizes however large they want. Some people consider larger portions a better bargin. But they also know how much they are eating.
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You are a special boy, Nuke.
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And going back to the "All you can eat" places. I have seen more fat people in those than almost anywhere. Whole fat families, kids fat, parents fat.....I mean real fat.
There is one down the road we go to now and then. It's a feeding frenzy.
Does anyone think it's okay for a fat person to blame the place for making them fat?
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no. but i dont mind mcdonalds taking one for the team.
they being a gross character of all that is horriffic about exported americanism gone wrong.
if the iraqis deserve it. mcdonalds most certainly does.
:cool:
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Originally posted by NUKE
I was refering to this.
McDonalds can make portion sizes however large they want. Some people consider larger portions a better bargin. But they also know how much they are eating.
But do they really?
Do you think that most people who buy a Big Mac super size meal for lunch understand that they are getting close to 2,000 calories, which is the reccomended daily caloric allowance for the average male? Do they know the calories in those tempting two apple pies for a dollar - anoyther nice portion enlarged size value from MD...
I think it would be very intresting to see a full nutrition guide on every fast food wrapper, fries box and drink cup. We are legally required to have them on all other packaged foods. It would be very easy to do as most of the fast food menu items are standardized and share indivudual wrapping practically world wide and most sodas are very close calorically. I would love to see the effect of this on sales and menu offerings afyter some time.
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Good point Grun, although I don't think fast food is considered to be packaged foods.
And yeah, I do think that most people know that a big mac has a ton of calories.... especially overweight people....they know what foods they should and shouldn't be eating, but it doesn't matter to them.
I think the lawsuit is just a money grab because McDonalds is so huge.....pardon the pun.
Also, can the plaintiff prove that ONLY because of Mcdonalds, they are fat? They didn't eat at any other restraunts? What do they eat at home? Got any proof?
The lawsuit is a complete joke. Can you at least see that?
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Originally posted by NUKE
And yeah, I do think that most people know that a big mac has a ton of calories.... especially overweight people....they know what foods they should and shouldn't be eating, but it doesn't matter to them.
I think the lawsuit is just a money grab because McDonalds is so huge.....pardon the pun.
Also, can the plaintiff prove that ONLY because of Mcdonalds, they are fat? They didn't eat at any other restraunts? What do they eat at home? Got any proof?
The lawsuit is a complete joke. Can you at least see that?
Echoes my sentiments.
Karaya
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I dont support this type of lawsuit at this time.
I think you underestimate the lack of information average people have about food and calories and especially the proportion oif daily calories that a huge portion super size meal gives them in one sitting. In fact that would be a very good survey to conduct, ask people roiughly what portion of their daily caloric allowance a supersized big mac meal provides them. Do you think that a majority of people would say some 80%?
Thats why I would support a law that required fast food nutrition labels. This would inform the customer much more directly and any such development historically leads to product improvement by the manufacturer.
That and better food education at an early age should be high priorties to make americans healthier. It shouyld pay off handsomly in the long run with lower medical costs which might be very good if the various social/medical assistance programs go away or even if we get socialied medcinie like europe.
Basically we as a culture need to change american eating patterns and getting huge food distributors like MD onboard with that would be a good start.
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Interesting.
In Sweden, mothers tell this to their daughters:
"Its not the sausage that makes a you fat, its the sauce"
Television and computers, makes people fat (and in rare cases beer).
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Originally posted by patrone
Interesting.
In Sweden, mothers tell this to their daughters:
"Its not the sausage that makes a you fat, its the sauce"
BS!
Anyway, why bring sex into it? This is about fat people and food.
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Ok, NUKe, sorry. What do you want to know about fatness and food?
Can I help you? Im pretty good with food things.
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Originally posted by patrone
Ok, NUKe, sorry. What do you want to know about fatness and food?
Can I help you? Im pretty good with food things.
okay, why are fat people so greasy and filthy?
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Cause thet eat lotsa greesy food?
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Originally posted by NUKE
okay, why are fat people so greasy and filthy?
Because the sweat more, because they have more bodymass then the body can cool.
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Originally posted by patrone
Interesting.
In Sweden, mothers tell this to their daughters:
"Its not the sausage that makes a you fat, its the sauce"
Television and computers, makes people fat (and in rare cases beer).
lol, I just realised......you where making a joke, right? ;)
I thought my response was being clever, but actually I was being duped....DUPED into looking like fool!
I shall never forgive you.
Anyway, the squad thing might still work ;)
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Originally posted by patrone
Because the sweat more, because they have more bodymass then the body can cool.
so you are basically calling SOB a filthy, greasy slob?
Man, you can be pretty mean at times.
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Some people like havine big a*sses.
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No, really, I am a chef, by proffession, you never seen the "swedish chef" in the muppetshow?
BOORK, BOORK, BOORK...
Not a joke really, you need advice on diet and stuff?
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That's pretty cool patrone. I'd ask you for advice, but I'd be too stupid to follow it.
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There are Nutrition labels grunherz!
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink!
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Originally posted by JB88
le big mac.
:)
In France a quarter pounder is called a "Royal cheese"
Pulp fiction(tm) !
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so grun... should I sue safeway because of all the "buy one get one free" deals on food they have? I am pretty sure that double the amount of ice cream sandwiches is probly a bit fattening.
I think this all relates to "you can't get by without our help" "you aren't smart enough to know what is or isn't good for you so we will set up a buerocracy to tell you what is banned"
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
so grun... should I sue safeway because of all the "buy one get one free" deals on food they have? I am pretty sure that double the amount of ice cream sandwiches is probly a bit fattening.
I think this all relates to "you can't get by without our help" "you aren't smart enough to know what is or isn't good for you so we will set up a buerocracy to tell you what is banned"
lazs
I doubt many people store their MD purchases for later use, it's usually consumed as a single meal.
And lazs you are smart enough guy to know that I said that I dont support the lawsuit at this time, so I'm not sure why you even brought up the idea of sueing safeway.
As for bureocracy and banning, well I dont want either. All I want is nutritional labeling on fast food.
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Did you see what I wrote at all?
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Which post exactly?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
There are Nutrition labels grunherz!
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink!
GRUNHERZ, is talking about having labels on FAST FOOD, I believe. I could be wrong, oh well.
When my wife makes Spaghetti (I'm tired of Spaghetti, but her sauce sucks, WATER is thicker than this stuff) (peeks around shoulder), I make an Arby's run. I get the Medium meal with a Sprite. I know I'll burn in hell for eating something with less grease and sodium than McD's or BK's.
Karaya
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There are nutritional labels Grun. You'd be hard pressed to find a Fast Food joint that DOESN'T have them.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
There are nutritional labels Grun. You'd be hard pressed to find a Fast Food joint that DOESN'T have them.
No there arent, fast food places do not put labels on their individual burger, fries and soda packages. They do have the info on some posters on the side wall or available on request but its not the same.
There is nutritional info on most all packaged foods, I wuld like the same on most fast food. The info should be easily provided to the customer so he can acess it with minimal effort.
If people dont have the information they cant even start to make good choices.
So again I ask do any of you reallky think that the majority of people knbow that a super size big mac meal provides at some 80% or more of daily reccomended calories in a single meal? Heck do you even know what the daily reccomrened daily calorie allowance is?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
No there arent, fast food places do not put labels on their individual burger, fries and soda packages. They do have the info on some posters on the side wall or available on request but its not the same.
There is nutritional info on most all packaged foods, I wuld like the same on most fast food. The info should be easily provided to the customer so he can acess it with minimal effort.
If people dont have the information they cant even start to make good choices.
So again I ask do any of you reallky think that the majority of people knbow that a super size big mac meal provides at some 80% or more of daily reccomended calories in a single meal? Heck do you even know what the daily reccomrened daily calorie allowance is?
I was right.
Most people know tha Fast Food is bad for you, but to what EXTENT, sometimes I believe people do NOT.
Karaya
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Fine, demand next time you go to the fancy restaurant down the street that you get the nutritional values on a sticker right ontop of the food you order.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Most people know tha Fast Food is bad for you, but to what EXTENT, sometimes I believe people do NOT.
Karaya
Exactly. Most people are simply not aware enough to quantify just how bad this stuff is for you from a daily % of calorie intake perspective. This is why I find the marketing of supersize products which add hundreds of additional calories from huge portion increses of fries and sodas (fat and simple carbs} in a single meal to be so outrageus.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Fine, demand next time you go to the fancy restaurant down the street that you get the nutritional values on a sticker right ontop of the food you order.
Sit down restaurants could have a simple calorie indicator on the menu, next to the prices.
Why do you oppose this so much? Why are you against providing people witrh the information that could help them make more healthful choices while encouraging competition between fast food coimpanies to provide healthier alternatives?
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American food is designed to make people fat. I don't know if it's a result of the corn lobby and the high fructose corn syrup in so many things and other ingredients and fortifications.
There was a time in america when everybody drank regular fatty milk and ate red meat every day. Everybody drove everywhere. And nobody but children jogged or rode bikes, and there were no such things as health club or gym memberships. And yet americans were much much less fat.
What's different? Our foods have the same names but not the same ingredients as it once did.
How many of you americans who have lived abroad lost weight when you were overseas even though your habits didn't change? I'm betting all of us.
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Enlarged portion sizes, higer intakes of fats and simple carbohydrates (refined sugars) combined with lower physical activity are whats making Americans fat.
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Adult should be able to recongnize the risk involved and make an informed decision whether or not to eat McFood.
The same is true with cigarettes and liquor.
...but, unlike liquor and cigarettes we still allow the advertising of McCrap directly to children.
The bean counters are lovin it.
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I'm not against it. I'm against holding McDonalds responsible for stupid people's choices.
Like I said, we should enforce the voting thing.
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When you have your meal already purchased and in front of you is not the ideal time to find out what nutritional value is. All fast food resturaunts have nutritional value available, just ask them before you order. Or better yet, visit their web site...hell, go to Taco Bell's web site - they have a nutritional calculator that goes so far as letting you build your meal and deselect ingredients in an item if you plan on ordering it that way.
If an individual can't find the nutritional value of any fast food place today, it's because they didn't look. If an individual doesn't know what percent of their daily values a Big Mac meal is, then it's their own damned fault for not educating themselves.
And in case you're interested, here's the nutritional info on a Big Mac meal with large fries and a large Coke. It took me all of 30 seconds to pull this up on their web site. Clicking on the plus by each item gives you a breakdown by major part (patty/cheese/etc). Clicking on more details gets you more nutritional info, a list of all the ingredients, and allergy & food sensitivity info.
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Wow, fry's really add a lot of calories.
I'm glad I hate frys.
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I wonder how much their fries were before they switched to peanut oil.
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Originally posted by Furious
Adult should be able to recongnize the risk involved and make an informed decision whether or not to eat McFood.
The same is true with cigarettes and liquor.
...but, unlike liquor and cigarettes we still allow the advertising of McCrap directly to children.
The bean counters are lovin it.
We are talking about a nice scooby snack 'Mickey D' hamburgler and fries at lunch time kids meal, not injesting a bag of tainted Hep C blood or my wifes pigs foot crock pot special where a seemingly normal human naws at the pig knuckles like Jeffrey Dahmer on a african american stove top teenage rampage, right?
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There should be a pack of smokes and an airplane sized bottle of JD included. Then it would truely be a happy meal.
I didn't really have a point Creamo. Leave me alone.
...do you ever partake of the feet? I ate a balut once. The beak was crunchy.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Wow, fry's really add a lot of calories.
I'm glad I hate frys.
Why the "Wow?" Why the surprise.
But surely you knew how many calories there are in fries? Because all people know that when they order MCD, right?
Or maybe you just knew they were vaguely "bad for you" but you are surprised to learn just how bad they are when its actually quantified...
Now just imagine this is only for the Large size fries, super size were even a bigger portion with many more calories
You are surprised about the massive calorie count because you had no damn clue about it, contrary to your claims of knowing its "baD" for you.
Thanks for proving my point NUKE!
SOB people are embarassed to ask how many calories and in the curse of the day are too busy to look it up and many many are still not inbternet savvy. It's much easier to get that info if it was placed on wrappers at the point of sale/consumption. You are a big fat obese guy. Next time you go to MCD ask the girl behind the counter how many calories are in the Big Mac meal, fries, a big soda and two apple pies.
Would people just read the wrapper and drop the burger at the first time, hell no. But having that info there will, over time, lead to greater knowledge and conscious awareness of how many calories and % of daoliy intake is in that meal which is much more likely to change eating patterns and thus menu offerings.
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It's your choice to get a Double Quarter Pounder Value Meal (1560 C, 65 gms fat) or a Caesar Salad with Grilled Chicken (200 C, 9 gms fat)
Your choice.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
No just a bunch fat-%^&*, lazy-prettythanged people looking for another f^&king free-ride. GET OUT AND JOG MORE!!! That would be my slogan.
Karaya
.... and eat less crap!!!
I agree wholeheartedly.
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Its seems like Mcd's food got worse for you over the years. Anyone seen "Supersize Me" ? I dont see why their burger and fries has to be worse for you than what you make at home.
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wait a minute grun... If I buy a two for one ice cream gallon at safeway... that stuff goes bad if I don't eat it... It "forces" me to eat more ice cream... just exactly like a person is "forced" to eat MD large meals or.... throw away the rest.
A lot of us grew up being told not to waste food.
lazs
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
You are surprised about the massive calorie count because you had no damn clue about it, contrary to your claims of knowing its "baD" for you.
Thanks for proving my point NUKE!
1. I said most people know that big macs have a ton of calories
2. I said especially fat people, who know what they should and should not be eating.
3. I'm not fat and I don't eat frys, so why would I have a need to know how many colories they have?
If I were a big fat tub a goo, I would know what foods not to eat and what calories they roughly had.
Thanks for proving what point?
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Originally posted by lazs2
wait a minute grun... If I buy a two for one ice cream gallon at safeway... that stuff goes bad if I don't eat it... It "forces" me to eat more ice cream... just exactly like a person is "forced" to eat MD large meals or.... throw away the rest.
A lot of us grew up being told not to waste food.
lazs
Yeah and the all you can eat restraunts force all those fat tubs of goo into their restraunts and make them eat and have feeding frenzies, but McDonalds should be sued because they sell large portions.
That's fatty logic.
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I don't know the calorie count of any of the food I eat. If I put on a few pounds I simply cut down on eating a bit or get more exercise.
lazs
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
SOB people are embarassed to ask how many calories and in the curse of the day are too busy to look it up and many many are still not inbternet savvy. It's much easier to get that info if it was placed on wrappers at the point of sale/consumption. You are a big fat obese guy. Next time you go to MCD ask the girl behind the counter how many calories are in the Big Mac meal, fries, a big soda and two apple pies.
Would people just read the wrapper and drop the burger at the first time, hell no. But having that info there will, over time, lead to greater knowledge and conscious awareness of how many calories and % of daoliy intake is in that meal which is much more likely to change eating patterns and thus menu offerings.
So, it's not enough that a resturaunt have this information easily available? What a load. They do make the info available, and it is easy to get. If you're "too busy" to be bothered looking at it, then it's your own damn fault. If you're too embarassed to ask for the info or grab an info sheet from the counter, that is hardly the fault of the resturaunt. Need access to the Internet? Go to the library, and if it's something you're interested in you can pick up a book on healthy eating while you're there.
And as for me, as a fat guy, asking the counter help for the nutritional info...I don't get it. Do you think I would actually hesitate to do so? Would you?
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A lot of people would SOB, people in this country tend to be embarassed about their weight and especially fat people, asking about calories goes with that too.
As for all of ypu suggesting that people jusat look up calore info on the web for everything they buy then why not just get rid of nutritional info on prepackeaged foods if you all think such info is uneccesary..
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I would go further.... the calorie and nutritional info needs to be posted about a block away in an area only accesseble by walking to it....
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I would go further.... the calorie and nutritional info needs to be posted about a block away in an area only accesseble by walking to it....
lazs
Obviopusly you joke, but that would just mean that less peple would know what they are eating.
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If I cared what I was eating I would gladly walk the block to find out.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
If I cared what I was eating I would gladly walk the block to find out.
lazs
So every time you considered picking up a new possibly unknown item at the supermarket you would put the item back, leave the store, then walk one block to check the data? Then do that every time you get some new thing.. What do you shopb for food all day and have no work? Riight, and you say the lawsuit is ridicilus (which it is) but damn lazs...
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The lawyers in the class action suit are just licking their chops, so to speak, to get into the pockets of McDonalds.
I applaud the judge's common sense, but think he didn't go far enough. The parents should be held accountable and referred to some other court for endangering the health of the children.
If there were any sincere concern for the children in this case, they should target the parents for taking them to McDonalds all the time, ordering and paying for the food and more importantly, for not exercising or teaching their children a little restraint.
You're free to eat whatever you want and raise your children as you see fit, but that does not mean ignorance or stupidity that endangers yourself or your children should be rewarded by cash though the courts.
Animals teach their offspring what to eat and how to get it. Humans should be able to do that also.
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grun... I normally walk to the store that is 3 blocks away... If I go somewhere I park further out in the lot where poeple don't use my body panels for door stops... maybe that is why I don't need to care what I eat.
If you are living off fast food and getting fat... the smart guy would cut down/quit eating fast food and... get more exercise. I just ate two ice cream sandwhices. I didn't look to see what was in em except to notice they had ice cream looking stuff with a dark cookie looking thing on each side. I assume that they are not too light on calories. I will hump my girfriend an extra 15 minutes to make up for it.
also... this suit passes the nanny test... in order for the women socialist liberal naaannies to gain power they have to butt into your life... in order to do that they have to ban stuff or demonize it... the first and most important rule for them is to ALLWAYS bring the "children" into it... "do it for the children".
lazs
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Lazs, you are so fulla shizt. You could walk to New Mexico from Dixon for a burrito, eat 4, and still be the first runner up for Ben Grim in a non-super hero skinny beggar looking guy in the Fantastic 4 Movie. Pry scares children, but your smile, and Makarov in hand pry distracts them from yelling for help.
Your metabolism is pry 180 times of gruns, and your genes make up the rest. I do enjoy the women liberal bashing comedy stuff, but be real.
Oh, and your 50, you ain’t humping anything overtime. Just saying.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Its seems like Mcd's food got worse for you over the years. Anyone seen "Supersize Me" ? I dont see why their burger and fries has to be worse for you than what you make at home.
Yeah, the guy's liver started turning to foie gras after eating McDonald's every day for two weeks. His liver function values went to **** and his doctors we're telling him that if he kept doing it he would need a new liver very soon. LOL
Interesting movie, it's slanted of course, but it presents some interesting facts.
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creamo... you are right about genetics and metabolism but... exercise and cutting down on eating will make you weigh less. Most fat people won't exercise. It is lifestyle too I think... I am hyper so that helps... No one in my family is particularly fat.
as for humping and age..... I can only tell you that I have allready been where you are at but you haven't made it to where I am at yet. I think you may be confusing the fact that being with the same woman for a couple of decades is the same as losing interest in sex with all women. You need to change women on occassion.
lazs
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Burger fries shake extra greese, I dont care.
:D