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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Furball on January 26, 2005, 01:09:03 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4178643.stm
German politicians have called for Nazi symbols to be banned throughout Europe after Prince Harry was pictured wearing a swastika to a fancy dress party.
The Liberal group in the European Parliament argue all of Europe suffered because of the Nazis' crimes, so there should be a continent-wide ban.
why should we ban the swastika? why should we hide from history and not allow certain symbols in a free society?
Christianity has sure done some dastardly deeds in history, why arent there calls to ban the cross symbol? :rolleyes:
f* germany!
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why arent there calls to ban the cross symbol?
In our country there is many such calls. It's sick what the liberal left will try to pull under the guise of "civil liberties"
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So you are pro-swastika?
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The Liberal group in the European Parliament argue all of Europe suffered because of the Nazis' crimes, so there should be a continent-wide ban.
the whole world has suffered from ugly chicks. there should be a worldwide ban on ugly chicks.
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Originally posted by rpm
So you are pro-swastika?
no, i just dont believe it should be censored.
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Its banned here, you ware it in public, you will get into great trouble. There are special rules to "re-enactors" though.
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it is a symbal and part of histoy, I have never understood the ban on it.
Seeing one is not going to make normal people nazis.
Did this start with the US ocupation in Germany after the war or did the Germans impose it on themselves?
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the romans tried very hard to ban the cross if i am not mistaken.
i have a tendency to think that banning things only makes them worse. sort of like catholic school girls if ya know what i mean.
its interesting because i dont see the rising sun being banned anywhere and japan was an agressor.
so its the holocaust? is that what its about? is that what serves as the differentiator between the swastika and other symbols.
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living in the south for the past 5 years, i have seen alot of this in regards to the confederate flag.
im opposed to its bannishment too. not because i am a confederate, but because i think that when you add power to the symbol, the symbol gets more powerful.
interesting...after the civil war the north was great about allowing the rebs to pay tribute to thier leaders.
in richmond VA, there is a street called monumemt avenue where there are statues of all of the southern generals and statesmen lining it.
recently they added another right at the end, arthur ashe, the tennis player who died of aids.
now thats the way to do it.
lol
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History doesn't go away by closing your eyes. You study, you learn.
Stupid idea to try to close your eyes from one of the most important happenings in the modern history.
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In our country its not forbiden to show swastika or other things related to nacism.
But propagation of nacism is forbiden.
So you can wave with nazi flag, and no problem.... but if you open your mouth and say... Naziiiiis are goood... then you have serious troubles.
Im not sure whats does mean "Ban of swastika" Swastika have some special meaning for us and all study books are full of it. Im not quite sure what should be banned.
However i used to read on BBC few days ago, that Hindo in UK would like to change Europian view on symbol "Swastika"
Actualy ... is Mein Kampf banned in your country ? (here it is, but people laugh on that Ban and consider it stupid)
But the director of human rights group Liberty told the BBC education would be more beneficial than a ban.
since we still have sutch people, i dont think that some bans will occure
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Originally posted by Furball
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why should we ban the swastika? why should we hide from history and not allow certain symbols in a free society?
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Maybe because it symbolized the regime the gassed 6 million Jews.
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If your rely only on the symbol to remember history you are IMO in trouble.
The symbol is forbiden here but it's also forbiden to forget ! and it's more important than a little symbol.
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Originally posted by lada
Actualy ... is Mein Kampf banned in your country ? (here it is, but people laugh on that Ban and consider it stupid)
ive read it. its horrible.
yet they keep that tome of literary tripe on the bookshelves while they scream at the top of thier pithy lungs that spongebob squarepants is a studmuffin and try to ban any book from libraries that attempt to stock anything near progressive.
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Originally posted by rpm
So you are pro-swastika?
I am.
When making German WWII model aircraft, I likle the Swastika to be on them, just like they really did.
The 190 kit I'm making now ( French made) does not have the swastica's and that's gay.
Beyond that, I have nothing against the swastica in general. It was a symbol long before Hitler ever used it.
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yes, I think that Göring picked it up during his travels in Sweden.
He married the close relative to Von Rosen, who used it as a symbol for his Family, taken from originaly India.
Exact same Symbol was on the Finnish airforce to Honour this person : Von Rosen
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Originally posted by NUKE
I am.
When making German WWII model aircraft, I likle the Swastika to be on them, just like they really did.
The 190 kit I'm making now ( French made) does not have the swastica's and that's gay.
Beyond that, I have nothing against the swastica in general. It was a symbol long before Hitler ever used it.
Thats fine your the only one who has to look at your models.
LOL take those same models to a synagogue and see how well they will be recieved.
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Wondering why the swastika should be banned is like burning a country's national flag and wondering why bystanders get upset and pissed off at you as you try to argue that it was just a piece of coloured cloth.
Furby, watch the rest of that Auschwitz series on BBC2/Tuesdays. Also visit the Imperial War Museum in Lambeth - the top two floors - Crimes Against Humanity. Then post back.
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been to the IWM, met an Auschwitz survivor, still do not believe that it should be censored.
Worst thing any country could possibly do is hide the past.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Maybe because it symbolized the regime the gassed 6 million Jews.
(http://members.shaw.ca/rskulski/images/star.gif) <--- Symbolizes the regime that killed around 30 million people. Not banned. Thanks for playing.
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Originally posted by Furball
been to the IWM, met an Auschwitz survivor, still do not believe that it should be censored.
Worst thing any country could possibly do is hide the past.
You where lucky to meet an Auschwitz survivor.
Unfortunately I have those in my family that did not.
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Thing is, the swastika has been around a lot longer then the Nazis. The sounds that make up the word swastika are from sanskrit, and it has a nice history right up until some german fellas decided it fit their ideas of destiny and thousand year reichs.
Check out this history/article about the symbol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
I listened to a story on NPR about a gentleman who is frustrated that the hindu use of the swastika has essentially been erased in some parts of the world because of the Nazis and is trying to educate people to seperate the symbol from the people who used it.
Should it be banned? No. It's just a freaking symbol. Symbols, like flags, don't mean anything unless there are movements of people supporting them. To head off the inevitable argument at the pass, if a hindu uses a swastika as part of their religious observances, are they giving comfort and solace to neo-nazis?
The KKK burned crosses and supported the erection of lit crosses above many towns as a means of intimidation by 'shining the light of christ' on blacks, does that mean the cross should be banned? Of course not.
Seperate the symbol from the people. This applies to the swastika as much as it applies to the cross.
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well said chairboy.
im a little over all of the "ban this, ban that" crud.
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Very easy to sit back and not care one way or the other about it if you are one either not a Jew or have not lost relatives in the Holocaust.
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taken from Wikipedia:
The blue swastika was the good luck symbol used by the Swedish Count Erich von Rosen, who donated the first plane to the Finnish White Army during the Civil War in Finland. It has no connection to the Nazi use of the swastika. It also still appears in many Finnish medals and decorations, in a visually understated manner.
LOL,, not connected at all to Nazi: Erich Von Rosens Sister was only married to a Herman Göring.........
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true wombat.
but thats where people come in.
its one thing to rub someones face in it and another to say im not going to let it have power.
banning it only adds to its power.
IMHO.
and its not just the jews who got screwed by the nazi's. how many boys did we lose? how many did the brits? when prince harry wore that swastica, my first judgement came from there. it was more of an affrond to the english in that case, considering the germans bombing the hell out of london.
none the less.
i am against banning symbols.
i feel that it gives them more power than they should have.
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Originally posted by wombatt
You where lucky to meet an Auschwitz survivor.
Unfortunately I have those in my family that did not.
Thought you wewre baptist...
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Originally posted by JB88
true wombat.
but thats where people come in.
its one thing to rub someones face in it and another to say im not going to let it have power.
banning it only adds to its power.
IMHO.
Nope not at all.
Think of it this way.
Say your mother is murderd and evrywhere you go you are forced
to see a picture of the guy who did it.
Now how would that make you feel?
OK thats how anything relating to the nazi's makes a jew feel.
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how does a palestinian feel about the star of david?
how does that make them feel?
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Originally posted by JB88
how does a palestinian feel about the star of david?
how does that make them feel?
If he keeps his butt out of Israel he should not care one way or the other i would imagine.
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well then should i say the same for jews in europe?
come on now. you didnt mean that.
besides, settlements is what settlements does.
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(http://www.anarchy.no/fi-pres.gif)
Ban this!
The Finnish presidential flag.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Very easy to sit back and not care one way or the other about it if you are one either not a Jew or have not lost relatives in the Holocaust.
so not showing the swastika and hiding the fact that it ever happened makes everything all better?
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why not, they already banned this one.
(http://americancivilwar.com/statepic/ga/ga_flag_1956_01.jpg)
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Originally posted by mora
(http://www.anarchy.no/fi-pres.gif)
Ban this!
The Finnish presidential flag.
LOL if the Finn's meant anything one might be offended.
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Originally posted by Furball
so not showing the swastika and hiding the fact that it ever happened makes everything all better?
Again I don't think the fact that It happend will ever be hidden.
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Originally posted by JB88
why not, they already banned this one.
(http://americancivilwar.com/statepic/ga/ga_flag_1956_01.jpg)
Don't bother me!
But then again I'm not black either.
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LOL Wombat....real funny, ...Now, go and say that to the face of the next Finn you see.......:aok
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Originally posted by wombatt
Very easy to sit back and not care one way or the other about it if you are one either not a Jew or have not lost relatives in the Holocaust.
sooo your saying you personally lost relatives in the holocost?
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Originally posted by wombatt
LOL if the Finn's meant anything one might be offended.
Why?
We have had it since 1918. If someone who did bad things used a somewhat similar symbol afterwards is not our problem. Anyone but the completely ignorant should realize that.
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Stop asking to ban things that upset you. In my opinion, it should not be baned. It is an atempt by one of the 'civilized' nations to hide their past and present a diferent image of who they really are to the world. They can sit there and pretend that nothing ever happened and it really it was not their fault because "They were just following orders". It was all the creazy mans fault. Its funny how the bigest criminals against the human race can sit back and acuse the US.
I think we should make the Germans whear the swastika on their superior arse just like they did to others. So, don't ban it because it emparases the people that are preaching to the US on how it should behave. If we forget history, we will repeat it.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Again I don't think the fact that It happend will ever be hidden.
so what is the benefit of banning the symbol?
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
sooo your saying you personally lost relatives in the holocost?
Yeppers.
My grandfathers brother.
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im not black either.
but thats the thing. its history.
the united states flag flew over the wholesale slaughter of indians.
shall we ban that.
its not the flag. its the act.
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Originally posted by mora
Why?
We have had it since 1918. If someone who did bad things used a somewhat similar symbol afterwards is not our problem. Anyone but the completely ignorant should realize that.
Mora It was dry humor:D
I was jerking your chain Sry for the misunderstanding.
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Originally posted by Furball
so what is the benefit of banning the symbol?
Because it is insensitive to the victims and the decedents.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Stop asking to ban things that upset you. In my opinion, it should not be baned. It is an atempt by one of the 'civilized' nations to hide their past and present a diferent image of who they really are to the world. They can sit there and pretend that nothing ever happened and it really it was not their fault because "They were just following orders". It was all the creazy mans fault. Its funny how the bigest criminals against the human race can sit back and acuse the US.
I think we should make the Germans whear the swastika on their superior arse just like they did to others. So, don't ban it because it emparases the people that are preaching to the US on how it should behave. If we forget history, we will repeat it.
What do you think the US soldiers that will be brought to Haag will tell the court? What is your excuse, right now?
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swastikas are cool and fund.
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Originally posted by JB88
im not black either.
but thats the thing. its history.
the united states flag flew over the wholesale slaughter of indians.
shall we ban that.
its not the flag. its the act.
Oh you don't even want to get me started on the injustice to the American Indian.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Mora It was dry humor:D
I was jerking your chain Sry for the misunderstanding.
You can jerk my chain anytime.:aok
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Originally posted by wombatt
Oh you don't even want to get me started on the injustice to the American Indian.
i wont.
again. its the act.
and i think that you and i would agree that there is nothing more insane.
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Originally posted by mora
You can jerk my chain anytime.:aok
Don't tease me I'm a lonley man:D
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Originally posted by JB88
i wont.
again. its the act.
and i think that you and i would agree that there is nothing more insane.
Yes sir agreed.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Maybe because it symbolized the regime the gassed 6 million Jews.
Regime killed all kinds of people not just jews, and way more then 6 million.
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yep.
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Originally posted by Callisto
Regime killed all kinds of people not just jews, and way more then 6 million.
Then it is up to those people to make a stand for what was done to them!
This is what pisses people off about Jew's we simply don't sit back and keep our traps shut.
We as a people vowed NEVER AGAIN and we meen it.
It is up to all those who may have been oppressed to do the same.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Because it is insensitive to the victims and the decedents.
So why arent all the widows, relatives and veterans from wwii calling out for it to be banned?
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Originally posted by Furball
So why arent all the widows, relatives and veterans from wwii calling out for it to be banned?
LOL the Jew's did !
You ever hear of the Simon wiesenthal center?
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/pp.asp?c=fwLYKnN8LzH&b=242023
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Originally posted by wombatt
Then it is up to those people to make a stand for what was done to them!
This is what pisses people off about Jew's we simply don't sit back and keep our traps shut.
We as a people vowed NEVER AGAIN and we meen it.
It is up to all those who may have been oppressed to do the same.
agreed. but thats just my arguement. its the action, not the symbol.
we need to be more concerned with modern symbols that are still active.
i instinctively almost went ...oh, hes a jew , sorry...but i think youd like me to speak with you the same as anyone else.
i mean, should we not watch charlie chaplin cause he had a skinny mustasche?
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I bet you never knew the three stooges where Jews.
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Bet you know that Hitler was proberbly Jewish.
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(http://www.stampandshout.com/_gfx/_bst/_ex/no-w.gif)
actually, i did.
and i am not anti-semitic, though i am often labled that because i disagree with some isreali policies.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Very easy to sit back and not care one way or the other about it if you are one either not a Jew or have not lost relatives in the Holocaust.
I'm not jewish, i lost family members in concentration camps, and yet seeing swastikas on WW2 planes dont bother me.
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Originally posted by patrone
Bet you know that Hitler was proberbly Jewish.
There was the possibilty of him being half jew yes I knew this.
And your point?
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Originally posted by wombatt
LOL the Jew's did !
You ever hear of the Simon wiesenthal center?
i am not jewish, no i havent.
i am talking about the millions of russians, british, americans, french, commonwealth etc etc etc killed by the nazi's.
why is it just the jews and the germans calling for it to be banned?
as far as i am concerned banning it will achieve nothing but limit the historical accuracy of educational material and other material used to make people aware of what happened.
it is stupid to ban it.
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Originally posted by Callisto
I'm not jewish,
I think you just said it right there.
And what where your family doing in camps If you where not jews?
Are you Japaneses?
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wombat.
many many different types of people died in concentration camps.
<---- hitting the eject button.
POW......whoooosh
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Originally posted by Furball
why is it just the jews and the germans calling for it to be banned?
The Jew's want it banned because of what it represented during ww2.
The Germans I can only assume want it banned because it is an eye sore on what is a wonderful countries history.
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Originally posted by JB88
wombat.
many many different types of people died in concentration camps.
<---- hitting the eject button.
POW......whoooosh
Perhaps but the wholesale slaughter of a people was mostly directed at the Jew.
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Originally posted by patrone
What do you think the US soldiers that will be brought to Haag will tell the court? What is your excuse, right now?
I am not sure. From what I hear, they have not gathered the hole vilage, seprate the women and children, shoot the men and then burn the church where they kept the women and the children. So, I am sure their story maby different. What they do, does not change what the superior race did. Some how, I get the feelling that the people that complained about the swastika were not the victims but the killers. :rolleyes:
I also don;t need an excuse fro what the US soldiers are doing. I am from Greece. We commited our crimes a while back like a lot of others, but please do not compare Germany to anyone else. They are in their own category all by themselfs.
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Originally posted by wombatt
If he keeps his butt out of Israel he should not care one way or the other i would imagine.
If he keeps his butt out of Germany he should not care one way of the other i imagine.
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Originally posted by wombatt
I think you just said it right there.
And what where your family doing in camps If you where not jews?
Are you Japaneses?
Yea we are Japaneses... how did you know?
Just for your information, jews werent the only ones that died in concentration camps..many many people of other nationalities perished in those concetration camps.
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so i guess freedom of speech and expression is ok until one ethnic group decides they do not like something?
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I think it safe to say that for a none jew to understand this is like for me to try and understand what it is to be black.
Try as I may it is impossible but I can and will keep an open mind to it and If Black folks are offended buy the Rebel flag or what ever then so be it it's just a flag a symbol.
What is of more importance a symbol or respecting a peoples sensitivities and pains of there past?
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Originally posted by Callisto
If he keeps his butt out of Germany he should not care one way of the other i imagine.
LOL Germany is the last place you might find a swastika.
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Originally posted by wombatt
I think it safe to say that for a none jew to understand this is like for me to try and understand what it is to be black.
Try as I may it is impossible but I can and will keep an open mind to it and If Black folks are offended buy the Rebel flag or what ever then so be it it's just a flag a symbol.
What is of more importance a symbol or respecting a peoples sensitivities and pains of there past?
Thats right, you dont have to understand, but rest of the world must.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by wombatt
What is of more importance a symbol or respecting a peoples sensitivities and pains of there past?
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WWII was a war which hurt everyone... pretty much all nations, religions, race, colour...
Just because one ethnic group does not like a symbol that should be available for educating future generations... it should be banned?
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Originally posted by Furball
so i guess freedom of speech and expression is ok until one ethnic group decides they do not like something?
Or any kind of group :aok
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Originally posted by Callisto
Yea we are Japaneses... how did you know?
Just for your information, jews weren't the only ones that died in concentration camps..many many people of other nationalities perished in those concentration camps.
Never implied that the Jews where the only ones to die in camps.
And as far as knowing you where Japanese.
LOL I smelled the sushi.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Then it is up to those people to make a stand for what was done to them!
This is what pisses people off about Jew's we simply don't sit back and keep our traps shut.
We as a people vowed NEVER AGAIN and we meen it.
It is up to all those who may have been oppressed to do the same.
sooo your saying your jewish?
This is what pisses people off about Jew's we simply don't sit back and keep our traps shut.
I think it safe to say that for a none jew to understand this is like for me to try and understand what it is to be black.
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Originally posted by Furball
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WWII was a war which hurt everyone... pretty much all nations, religions, race, colour...
Just because one ethnic group does not like a symbol that should be available for educating future generations... it should be banned?
And how does a swastika benefit or educate anyone?
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
sooo your saying your jewish?
Wow you are a quick one aren't you:rofl
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Wombat, not only the jews suffered or were sent to consintration camps. Sure they out numbered everyopne else but don't exclude the rest. Seing your wife and kid burn before you get shot is considered suffering in my book. Also, I don't think its the Jews complaining but the superior race because it makes their perfect little image, not so perfect.
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Originally posted by wombatt
And how does a swastika benefit or educate anyone?
it is the symbol of possibly the major factor of the 20th century, it is featured in video, pictures, games, film, movies, propganda, WW2 relics and momento's.
You ban the swastika you ban all of those from being displayed and they will be mis-represented.
It is history... it happened... you should not have to change history to suit the view of a minority.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Wow you are a quick one aren't you:rofl
Just wanted to make TOTAL sure of what your saying.
I call BS
Becouse previously you have said your baptist..and if i recall at one point you said you were part native american indian. something i take offense too since i am part native american so i only take 1/4th the offense.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Wombat, not only the jews suffered or were sent to consintration camps. Sure they out numbered everyopne else but don't exclude the rest. Seing your wife and kid burn before you get shot is considered suffering in my book. Also, I don't think its the Jews complaining but the superior race because it makes their perfect little image, not so perfect.
Perhapes I am sure it is a part of there history that they would like to forget and move on with.
I have friends that are German I cant hold hate for them for the sin's of the grandfathers how absurd would that be.
Fogivnes is grace and Germany has come a long way to make ammends to the Jew for wich I commend them.
And there attempt at banning swastikas is one thing that shows there maturity in this matter.
The fact that so many would get there feathers rufled over this because it might prevent them from have total historicle accuracy in the model kits or flight sims is assanine.
I think of the many still survivors of these camps who have the memories of there mothers and fathers being killed by the nazi's
So in closing is the Jew a little to sesitive about these things?
Yeah maybe but then again I think we have a right to be.
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
Just wanted to make TOTAL sure of what your saying.
I call BS
Becouse previously you have said your baptist..and if i recall at one point you said you were part native american indian. something i take offense too since i am part native american so i only take 1/4th the offense.
What an Idiot.
Where did I say I was babtist?
And yes I am 1/4 Cherokee Indian.
Father was Jewish mother Irish Indian and Scottish.
I practice Judaism
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The ban is here to prevent this :
Originally posted by bigsky
swastikas are cool and fund.
I'm not attacking you BigSky I supose your post was joke
The banning in France is to prevent the use of this symbol by the right wing extremists as far as I know.
Not to hide history.
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Originally posted by wombatt
What an Idiot.
Where did I say I was babtist?
And yes I am 1/4 Cherokee Indian.
Father was Jewish mother Irish Indian and Scottish.
I practice Judaism
You said it in one of yor previous personas
You really should try to keep track of your ....exaggerations.
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
You said it in one of yor previous personas
You really should try to keep track of your ....exaggerations.
perhapes an enema is in order here.:eek:
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Originally posted by wombatt
perhapes an enema is in order here.:eek:
Perhaps being honest for a change is in order here.
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
Perhaps being honest for a change is in order here.
And another to the ignor list:D
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Originally posted by wombatt
Because it is insensitive to the victims and the decedents.
And why is it so imperative to show any extra sensitivity?
I can see banning the party, or neonazi organizations that would seek to actively harm a group of people. Or if you wrote it on the walls of a synagogue. OR went parading back and forth of one waving the flag and chanting "Heil Hitler" or otherwise going out of your way to be deliberately offensive to Jews, Hunagarians,gypsies, Poles,Jehovah witnesses, and Russians. (just to not forget the other 4-5 million that were interned in concentration camps and murdered by the Nazis)
But banning a symbol is asburd.
Yes, it was the symbol of the nazi party. But not all Nazis were murderers either
And as far as I know a symbol never murdered anyone.
For that matter why dont we push for a ban on the German planes in this game? They are certainly representative of the nazi regime. I'd be willing to bet some of these planes were even flown by nazis. they all certainly swore an oath to one.
Thing is the symbol doesn't do the crime. Nor does it cause people to.
I would think that it should be kept around so that we never forget.
Banning it only closes our eyes to the events. Out of sight out of mind and all that.
This business of banning symbols. Being the Swastika there or the Confederate flag here or any other symbol is more a show of oversensitivity then being simply sensitive to people.
Alot has to do with how recently these things happened also.
Would you feel the same if people walked around saying "Hail Caesar" Or displaying Roman symbols?
I seem to remember they were less then kind to Jews and for that matter Christians also. enslaving them and Feeding them to lions as a source of entertainment.
I imagine 1,000 years from now nobody will bat an eyelash over such symbols and some other group will be complaining about insensitivity over some sort of injustice.
After all these things that happened haven't only happened to the Jews, or blacks, or Poles or Christians.
They are simply the most recent to have it happen to
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Originally posted by wombatt
Never implied that the Jews where the only ones to die in camps.
And as far as knowing you where Japanese.
and with this sentance you implied that i should get a haircut, yea?
And what where your family doing in camps If you where not jews?
They ended up in concentration camps because they were fighting Nazism and Fashism. (3 died (1 baby), 2 survived).
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Ban it and you guarantee that it will appear on every signpost, billboard, derelict auto, vacant building, and school book in the country.
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War is hell boys...show me a war and there will be atrocities committed. It's the people who should be held accountable and not the symbol on their flag, chest, shoulder or whatnot.
Down here in the deep south the confederate flag is usually just taken for granted as a display...talk about banning it and the shotguns come out quickly.
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Korea...
http://www.unpopart.org/readymades/techno.html
I wonder if you can order this..
(http://www.brazilianpress.net/news/uploads/e-aconteceu-no-mundo-safra-.jpg)
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Originally posted by Goth
War is hell boys...show me a war and there will be atrocities committed. It's the people who should be held accountable and not the symbol on their flag, chest, shoulder or whatnot.
well said
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Callisto
What the hell is that place? Like a dance club??
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Originally posted by Callisto
Korea...
http://www.unpopart.org/readymades/techno.html
I wonder if you can order this..
(http://www.brazilianpress.net/news/uploads/e-aconteceu-no-mundo-safra-.jpg)
LOL well them silly tards eat dogs to so whats your point?
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Bar/club in Korea..
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for those of you who are unfamiliar with the concept of the readymade. they were first started by marchel duchamp who became famous for placing everyday objects in art galleries and calling them his art. his most famous examples being a urinal and a stool with a bicycle wheel attached to the top.
he was highly influential to the dada movement which sought to demonstrate the obsurdity of everyday life through thier work.
the previous image was a readymade, in that it exists, but has only to be seen through the act of showing for the art reaction to occur.
i new i went to art school for something.
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Originally posted by Goth
War is hell boys...show me a war and there will be atrocities committed. It's the people who should be held accountable and not the symbol on their flag, chest, shoulder or whatnot.
Down here in the deep south the confederate flag is usually just taken for granted as a display...talk about banning it and the shotguns come out quickly.
Funny thing is my sister lives in the south.
almost every time I visit her I am almost as likely to see blacks wearing or having something with a confederate flag on it as whites.
I've even met more then a few that are proud of being from the south and of the flag.
I remember working at an Apt complex place up here and was talking to one of its employees who happened to be black. when I heard the accent I asked "where you from?"
the responce
"Aam from Vugenya"
"And yayaa A'am a reb and proud of it"
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The fact that so many would get there feathers rufled over this because it might prevent them from have total historicle accuracy in the model kits or flight sims is assanine
I can't help but feel this is the real reason behind some of your arguments.
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Originally posted by wombatt
LOL well them silly tards eat dogs to so whats your point?
i think wine is from south america..
Dont think they eat dogs in South Korea, in China they do.
So what if they eat dogs, thats their problem. Does that make them lesser then you?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Funny thing is my sister lives in the south.
almost every time I visit her I am almost as likely to see blacks wearing or having something with a confederate flag on it as whites.
I've even met more then a few that are proud of being from the south and of the flag.
I remember working at an Apt complex place up here and was talking to one of its employees who happened to be black. when I heard the accent I asked "where you from?"
the responce
"Aam from Vugenya"
"And yayaa A'am a reb and proud of it"
LOL someone ring the BS alarm please!!!
Man I have been in Texas for over 20 years and I have yet to see a black person wear a confederate flag on his clothing :rofl
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Originally posted by Callisto
i think wine is from south america..
Dont think they eat dogs in South Korea, in China they do.
So what if they eat dogs, thats their problem. Does that make them lesser then you?
Yeah it does.
Don't believe me?
Just ask my two dogs.
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I can't figure out what is more stupid. Banning a symbol or arguing with mrblack about it.
:aok
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Originally posted by wombatt
LOL someone ring the BS alarm please!!!
Man I have been in Texas for over 20 years and I have yet to see a black person wear a confederate flag on his clothing :rofl
No BS but beleive whatever you want.
And never did I once mention Texass
Or is Texass the only southern state you know of?
Not only have I seen it. But I also remember seeing on the news a year or two ago a former head of the NAACP not only wearing the confederate flag. But marching with it.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
No BS but beleive whatever you want.
And never did I once mention Texass
Or is Texass the only southern state you know of?
Not only have I seen it. But I also remember seeing on the news a year or two ago the former head of the NAACP not only wearing the confederate flag. But marching with it.
:rofl :rofl Did he have a white sheet on his head too?
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Originally posted by wombatt
:rofl :rofl Did he have a white sheet on his head too?
Laugh all you want.
NOW you can say you've seen it
(http://www.geocities.com/tnudc/EDGERTON.jpg)
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Laugh all you want.
NOW you can say you've seen it
:rofl :rofl:aok
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Aw thats a scene from a movie or something.
He even looks like Morgan Freeman.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Aw thats a scene from a movie or something.
He even looks like Morgan Freeman.
nice try but no cigar
The man behind the rebel flag (http://www.ashevilletribune.com/the_man_behind_the_rebel_flag.htm)
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By the way:
Tomorrow it is 60 years since Soviet Army liberated Auschswitz.
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Ban the colours : Black, Red, White, Blue and Yellow...and any combination of the above.....that oughtta just about cover it.
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Originally posted by Callisto
Korea...
http://www.unpopart.org/readymades/techno.html
I wonder if you can order this..
(http://www.brazilianpress.net/news/uploads/e-aconteceu-no-mundo-safra-.jpg)
Guess I should see if I can get my "silly tard" relatives to send me some so I can drink a toast to mr. black
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
nice try but no cigar
The man behind the rebel flag (http://www.ashevilletribune.com/the_man_behind_the_rebel_flag.htm)
Thats nice but if put to a vote I would put my money on the majority of Black folks being against it.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Thats nice but if put to a vote I would put my money on the majority of Black folks being against it.
That doesnt make my statement any less true.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
That doesnt make my statement any less true.
Agreed but when I get on my soap box and pretend to speak for a group of people I try to speak for the majority not just a few
apparitions.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Agreed but when I get on my soap box and pretend to speak for a group of people I try to speak for the majority not just a few
apparitions.
I never claimed to be speaking for a group of people.
I was only saying what I've seen.
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Originally posted by Callisto
Korea...
http://www.unpopart.org/readymades/techno.html
I wonder if you can order this..
(http://www.brazilianpress.net/news/uploads/e-aconteceu-no-mundo-safra-.jpg)
is it possible to visit this wonderfull place with some friends and baseball bat ?
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Originally posted by straffo
is it possible to visit this wonderfull place with some friends and baseball bat ?
Have to ask....why?
What are you afraid of....why should you wish violence against a few idiots that promote Hitler on a beer bottle?
So what, these people are uncouth. Does it really hurt you seeing an image of AH on a bottle?
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It's strange to see how the vision of a bat can increase the IQ of a moron.
Plus it's a way to vent.
Btw seeing some *$*$^$* have fun with a mass murderer and use a so powerfull symbol for entertainement make my blood boil.
Note that it's perhaps not a smart reaction.