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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Raider179 on January 26, 2005, 06:07:48 PM
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I swear every time I read a speech by him its full of junk about how big a part he plays in history. maybe he doesnt get it that this is about more than what historians will write about him. Yes he does play a big role but I for one would appreciate a little humility on his part. He seems to not only think he is the big fish but says it. That is not a sign of leadership it is a sign of a big ego.
"I firmly planted the flag of liberty for all to see that the United States of America hears their concerns and believes in their aspirations. " Bush speech Today
I don't remember him planting a flag...I do remember him sneaking into Iraq and then back out.
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you'll fit in well here in the oclub
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I think GWB will be remembered just like Nixon and Clinton; not because of the good he made but because his royal fu__ups.
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LBJ singlehandedly made more domestic reforms than any president in recent history. he got stuck with nam.
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I'm afraid history will not love Bush.
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was his arrest in Rhode Island for DWI a felony? I heard it was and have seen reports it was but have not seen it from any reputable sources.
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history teachers will.
much like caligula.
but will the senate let the horse in? only time will tell.
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Originally posted by Raider179
was his arrest in Rhode Island for DWI a felony? I heard it was and have seen reports it was but have not seen it from any reputable sources.
You're clueless.
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I got some kind of clue I know he got one. The ? I asked which you didnt answer is was it a felony?
Ok it was a misdemeanor according to thesmokinggun.com
How drunk did you have to be to get one back in the 70s anyway
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Originally posted by Raider179
I got some kind of clue I know he got one. The ? I asked which you didnt answer is was it a felony? and if not please provide a source
http://www.dui.com/MisdemeanFelony/Misdemeanor_or_Felony.html (http://www.dui.com/MisdemeanFelony/Misdemeanor_or_Felony.html)
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Originally posted by Raider179
was his arrest in Rhode Island for DWI a felony? I heard it was and have seen reports it was but have not seen it from any reputable sources.
No it wasn't, however, Teddy's probably was.
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Do you know who else played a big role in history? That's right...Hitler.
:D ;)
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Originally posted by JB88
LBJ singlehandedly made more domestic reforms than any president in recent history.
That is so debatable that to make such an assertion is simply absurd.
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Originally posted by jEEZY
That is so debatable that to make such an assertion is simply absurd.
so you say.
whatever.
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Originally posted by Raider179
How drunk did you have to be to get one back in the 70s anyway
Any person charged under subsection (a) of this section whose blood alcohol concentration is one-tenth of one percent (.1%) or more by weight as shown by a chemical analysis of a blood, breath or urine sample shall be guilty of violating subsection (a) of this section.
RI ST § 31-27-2
As enacted in 1956
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BOOSH IS DEVIL!!! OH JEEBUS!!!OH JEEBUS!!!
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no no. the devil is busy in hell. bush is just his earthy minion.
:rolleyes:
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I think he needs to give the religious banter a break it almost as bad as his constant "freedom" speeches. Dosn't do much for trying to reduce his image in the Muslim world that he's on a modern day crusade to wipe them out.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
I think he needs to give the religious banter a break it almost as bad as his constant "freedom" speeches. Dosn't do much for trying to reduce his image in the Muslim world that he's on a modern day crusade to wipe them out.
...-Gixer
Who cares? Clinton wasn't exactly a preacher and it didn't stop 9/11. I could give a crap what the muslim world thinks.
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of course you dont martlette.
of course you dont.
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JB88
You Flip Flop from side to side on issues
like a liberal running for office...
Sometimes you make sense but other times I think you bumped your head...
JB88 for Oclub president!!!
"JB88 reporting for duty"
TOJO
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I love how people call flip flop. Last time I checked it was called changing your mind. Something people with intelligence do when They discover they have something wrong. No wonder bush never apologizes for mistakes. Lack O' Intelligence
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Good point raider, only an idiot like Bush would have authorized military action even if he knew the WMD werent there..
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Good point raider, only an idiot like Bush would have authorized military action even if he knew the WMD werent there..
i think that he was refferring to a comment made about me grun.
i did not authorize military action.
though i am known to have change my mind from time to time.
its healthy.
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I was making a general point that only an idiot like Bush would take such stances, even saying he would have authorized the military action against Iraq even if he knew no WMD were there before the war. Thatys just a truly stupid policy stance that only an unitelligent and moronic person would say, dont you think so JB?
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yeah I didnt mean intelligence (CIA) but the point still stands.
Standing in face of adversity is one thing...Standing in the rain and trying to tell me its nice outside is another.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I was making a general point that only an idiot like Bush would take such stances, even saying he would have authorized the military action against Iraq even if he knew no WMD were there before the war. Thatys just a truly stupid policy stance that only an unitelligent and moronic person would say, dont you think so JB?
if i answer do you promise to stop editing your post? :)
yes. it is an idiotic thing to say. and it was kerry who said it.
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The edits are inconsequential since any change taht comes after your post will be marked by the time stamp feature.
So yea answer.
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Yea!!! Very good JB!
Considering the way that Kerry fool ran his camagain I always get a good laugh when the dems jump on Bush for being stupid and inflexible on Iraq...
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yes. it is an idiotic thing to say. and it was kerry who said it. - jb88
good. you saw it. was hoping to save this post for elsewhere.
i think its funny too. but most people assume otherwise.
they think that because i am critical of bush that i am a democrat.
i am not.
i am an independent.
i am mindful of government for reasons that can be found in heaps and piles in the eternal foible of man.
i do not support bush's foriegn policy and most of his domestic agenda can be summed up by the word "subterfuge" but that is not because i have a loyalty to a party line.
i simply think that its wrong.
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Heh.
People assume that because I support the Iraq war that I'm all for Bush, or a republican, or all for every war or something.
Congrats on your tardtastic 1000 post, dont fret about making a special post untill you reach 10,000...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yea!!! Very good JB!
Considering the way that Kerry fool ran his camagain I always get a good laugh when the dems jump on Bush for being stupid and inflexible on Iraq...
Damn straight... it's just not possible that both Kerry and Bush could be stupid and inflexible.
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lol.
bite me. :)
good for you too sir.
there is still hope that you may be saved.
i think i detected a heartbeat there.
:cool:
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Originally posted by Sandman
Damn straight... it's just not possible that both Kerry and Bush could be stupid and inflexible.
Not Kerry, never! He is beloved in Europe, which makes him intelligent, urbane sophisticated and smelly.
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Hey Grun, I'm pretty sure that Kerry lost the election.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Hey Grun, I'm pretty sure that Kerry lost the election.
No way! That's not what Barabra Boxer told me.
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just when i have a dash of hope that grun is thinking for himself...he has to pull out barbara boxer.
damn.
i feel much like a surgeon must feel losing an appendectomy patient on the operatiing table.
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LOL there he goes again with the "think for yourself" line when we disagree on something...
But really, do you expect me to let you off that easy? I gotta keep you on your toes little grasshopper.
Now, make ammends to:
(http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2004/221104bilboard.jpg)
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thanks. now i gotta go and wash my eyeballs.
ew...
you really know how to hurt a man grun...
(http://members.tripod.com/~MECRA/Clinton.gif)
"well, im helpin best i can...but hes sloooow." - bubba the liked.
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I see GRUN is still fishing with semtex ;)
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Originally posted by Raider179
I swear every time I read a speech by him its full of junk about how big a part he plays in history. maybe he doesnt get it that this is about more than what historians will write about him. Yes he does play a big role but I for one would appreciate a little humility on his part. He seems to not only think he is the big fish but says it. That is not a sign of leadership it is a sign of a big ego.
"I firmly planted the flag of liberty for all to see that the United States of America hears their concerns and believes in their aspirations. " Bush speech Today
I don't remember him planting a flag...I do remember him sneaking into Iraq and then back out.
Well at least he isn't going down in history for an "oval office Hummer".....maybe just an under-armored one.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Who cares? Clinton wasn't exactly a preacher and it didn't stop 9/11. I could give a crap what the muslim world thinks.
This is EXACTLY how I feel.
Karaya
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Originally posted by JB88
LBJ singlehandedly made more domestic reforms than any president in recent history. he got stuck with nam.
Maybe, maybe not, but I'll betcha his most famous reform, "The Great Society" Program, has been the costliest and least effective program in our history, both in terms of money and social dependency.
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Originally posted by slimm50
Maybe, maybe not, but I'll betcha his most famous reform, "The Great Society" Program, has been the costliest and least effective program in our history, both in terms of money and social dependency.
i probably wouldnt disagree with you on that one slimm.
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Originally posted by GScholz
You have done well young apprentice. Now strike them down with all of your logic and you journey to the rational side will be complete! Wtg. on 1000.
lol.
thanks bro.
now where did i put my mullet clubbing lazs bat?
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
Well at least he isn't going down in history for an "oval office Hummer".....maybe just an under-armored one.
He didnt go down She did...I think history will remember the media and the republicans making such a big deal about a bj instead of recognizing the terror threat earlier. Not letting Dems off the hook but they were all saying this isnt what is important. Turns out they were right. I remember when they launched tomahawks against Bin Laden's Camps and all on the news and republicans the next day were claiming "wag the dog" syndrome.
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Originally posted by Raider179
He didnt go down She did...I think history will remember the media and the republicans making such a big deal about a bj instead of recognizing the terror threat earlier. Not letting Dems off the hook but they were all saying this isnt what is important. Turns out they were right. I remember when they launched tomahawks against Bin Laden's Camps and all on the news and republicans the next day were claiming "wag the dog" syndrome.
yep.
and i got to explain to my six year old niece what a bj was so they could get thier little victory...whatever the cost.
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Originally posted by Raider179
He didnt go down She did...I think history will remember the media and the republicans making such a big deal about a bj instead of recognizing the terror threat earlier. Not letting Dems off the hook but they were all saying this isnt what is important. Turns out they were right. I remember when they launched tomahawks against Bin Laden's Camps and all on the news and republicans the next day were claiming "wag the dog" syndrome.
Yeah, sexual harrassment, what's the big deal? Perjury, who cares?
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selling arms to the iranians? - priceless.
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show one case where someone got perjury for lying about infidelity....
and there was never mention of sexual harrasment by either side. It was a mutual relationship.
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Originally posted by Raider179
show one case where someone got perjury for lying about infidelity....
Why? What does that have to do with this discussion?
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breaking the constitution to do so and going against a congressional law forbidding the action of selling arms to a member of the axis of evil? - priceless
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making G. Gordon Liddy and Col. Oliver North heros for breaking the law? - not only priceless...but telling.
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Originally posted by Martlet
Yeah, sexual harrassment, what's the big deal? Perjury, who cares?
You brought up perjury
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Originally posted by Raider179
You brought up perjury
I should have said "lied under oath". My mistake.
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doesnt matter how you phrase it my response is the same. Show one case where someone "lied under oath" about infidelity and was prosecuted succesfully for it.
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Originally posted by Raider179
doesnt matter how you phrase it my response is the same. Show one case where someone "lied under oath" about infidelity and was prosecuted succesfully for it.
Is being unsuccessfully prosecuted automatically mean you didn't do it? What about if you accept punishment to avoid prosecution? Does that still mean you didn't do it?
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Originally posted by Martlet
Is being unsuccessfully prosecuted automatically mean you didn't do it? What about if you accept punishment to avoid prosecution? Does that still mean you didn't do it?
I said no one gets prosecuted for it. You said he committed perjury, I say its no big deal to lie about adultery in a court of law. You think other wise. But you still cant show me some cases where there have been successful prosecutions for it.
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Originally posted by Raider179
I said no one gets prosecuted for it. You said he committed perjury, I say its no big deal to lie about adultery in a court of law. You think other wise. But you still cant show me some cases where there have been successful prosecutions for it.
It isn't just adultery. It's adultery in your office and sexual harrassment.
That's a pretty big difference. Adultery isn't always illegal. Sexual Harrassment is.
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Originally posted by Martlet
It isn't just adultery. It's adultery in your office and sexual harrassment.
That's a pretty big difference. Adultery isn't always illegal. Sexual Harrassment is.
She wanted it. Hell she kept the dress in her closet she was so happy he did it. That makes it not sexual harrassment. She didnt get threatened with a job loss or anyting. As a matter of fact vernon jordan tried to get her a better job after.
So if your buddy is screwing his intern at his office you think he should get fired, be prosecuted, and punished. some friend you are.
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I say its no big deal to lie ---- in a court of law.
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I say you dont deserve the justice a court of law provides.
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wow.
righteous indignation runs deep in these parts.
ok. so clinton got a bj.
reagan broke constitutional law and sold arms to iran, an axis of evil county.
no biggie right?
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Originally posted by Raider179
She wanted it. Hell she kept the dress in her closet she was so happy he did it. That makes it not sexual harrassment. She didnt get threatened with a job loss or anyting. As a matter of fact vernon jordan tried to get her a better job after.
So if your buddy is screwing his intern at his office you think he should get fired, be prosecuted, and punished. some friend you are.
Ahhhh, I get it. Liberals think it's ok to be immoral and do things another person would get fired for if you're "buddies".
More liberal hypocrisy.
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no offense jb but how old are you?
I watched the senate hearings and followed the court process with interest and I dont recall Reagan being impeached? In fact, most informed people are of the opinion that Reagan was betrayed by his own staff.
Clinton deserves a BJ just like any good old boy does, problem is he did it on company time, doing company business while on company property. Any other joe would have been fired on the spot. Plus he lied about it under oath and he lied directly to the american people and the world. Bill Clinton is proof that even the most sauve and intelligent people are capable of doing incredibly stupid things out in plain view. Dont get me wrong, I have developed a strong affinity for old Bill.
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35. not that it matters.
and nothing that you can say...one way or another is going to convince me that the action in question was right, that the commander in chief isnt responsible, or that the republican hero worship of the admitted perpetrators isnt just gross.
btw. have i mentioned my ollie north autograph yet? the one that i got him to write on machiavelli's the prince...
i keep hoping someone will appreciate it for all that it is.
fact is you all can lable and dance around all that you want to and it still wont change the fact that the republicans are just as guilty of being sleezeballs in politics as the democrats are. the only difference is that rove took the playbook and modernized the
gag factor.
i find it disgraceful that i have yet to hear one republican here...not once...be either critical of thier party, or just admit that a mistake is bad brahmen.
so excuse me if i dont curtsy to your banal attempts to legitimize what everyone but the playbook republicans know to be true...caught at it or not.
bush lied about the war. he lied about social security. hell, it looks like hes even lied about banning gay marriage.
oh...is that spin? scuze me if i take a page from the playbook.
sir.
88
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Calling a waaaaaabulance for all of the retard bush bashers.....cause 4 more years is going to give them a heart attack......or an aneurism
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Originally posted by koda76
Calling a waaaaaabulance for all of the retard bush bashers.....cause 4 more years is going to give them a heart attack......or an aneurism
Lord I hope so.
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Originally posted by koda76
Calling a waaaaaabulance for all of the retard bush bashers.....cause 4 more years is going to give them a heart attack......or an aneurism
call the "i dont have anything interesting to say so ill call people names police."
whatever dude.
hes your president as well. live with it too.
get off the waaaaah horse dittohead.
its soooo 90's
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well you and I are close in age so I am surprised you arent as open minded as I am lol
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sorry yeager. i read the first line and launched before considering your message more carefully. please direct the response to the others.
it was well said. though it still doesnt excuse anything else. and you know it.'
and you know that im not closed minded as well.
88
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Originally posted by JB88
and you know that im not closed minded as well.
88
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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lol....geeez I can't believe some people actually think whining and spouting half-truths will get Bush out....he's there...... if the impeachment of Clit-ton didn't get him out what makes these hatemongers think crying and stomping their feet will unseat a newly re-elected president?....he won both the popular vote and the electorial votes......get over it people.....4 more years! ya !, 4 more years! ya!
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How bout so right now 88?.....got a problem with that?
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Haaaaa
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well, ya'll did try your best to prove it could be done. gotta give ya that much.
him being president is fine. him making more collossal screw ups is not.
i aint nobodies monkey.
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larry. curly. moe.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa
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lol...
poke monkey
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Originally posted by koda76
lol... poke monkey
freaky purple organgish hairy thingy
avitar guy.
:cool:
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Originally posted by Martlet
Ahhhh, I get it. Liberals think it's ok to be immoral and do things another person would get fired for if you're "buddies".
More liberal hypocrisy.
I like labels there good for when you have nothing to say. The boss doesnt get fired for screwing the secretary. Noticed you had no sexual harrasment backup or cases where lying about infidelity got someone a charge of perjury.
to KODA I have never seen one person claim that discussion on this board or any other will remove the president. That is laughable. I enjoy the discussions on here if you dont why bother telling us we dont give a...
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Originally posted by Raider179
I like labels there good for when you have nothing to say. The boss doesnt get fired for screwing the secretary. Noticed you had no sexual harrasment backup or cases where lying about infidelity got someone a charge of perjury.
Again, what's your point?
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And I have to say raider why all of the whining ? My point was the last president was impeached yet he finnished out his term.
And FYI I sure don't base anything off here....thus the handle Koda<---- Kiss Ole Dons prettythang
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Marlette my point is you say things but have nothing to back them up so then you change the subject. You said Clinton commtited sexual harrassment I said how? You said he committed perjury I said no one has ever been convicted of lying about adultery. You have yet to refute or answer up for those. Instead you went off about liberals or something.
Koda I actually find most people on here no matter which side they take deliver fairly good arguments. I have learned a lot by not only discounting others arguments but finding evidence to back up my own views, and on occasion someone changes my views.
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Originally posted by koda76
And I have to say raider why all of the whining ? My point was the last president was impeached yet he finnished out his term.
And FYI I sure don't base anything off here....thus the handle Koda<---- Kiss Ole Dons prettythang
so THATS what the picture in the avitar is.
i see it now...
lol
all
off to virginia for 5 or so days.
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Originally posted by Raider179
Marlette my point is you say things but have nothing to back them up so then you change the subject. You said Clinton commtited sexual harrassment I said how? You said he committed perjury I said no one has ever been convicted of lying about adultery. You have yet to refute or answer up for those. Instead you went off about liberals or something.
I don't have to. I ceded your point, then made my own.
Did you even read the thread? If you can't counter it, just say so. If you prefer to sit here and spin in hopes of drawing attention from your failed argument, be my guest, just excuse me if I don't participate.
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Originally posted by JB88
call the "i dont have anything interesting to say so ill call people names police."
whatever dude.
hes your president as well. live with it too.
get off the waaaaah horse dittohead.
its soooo 90's
I'm fine with Bush....you seem to be the one with such a deliberate agenda on, of all things, a flight sim bbs.
Every top intelligence group from europe to the soviets to the cia had the same data...that is a fact....you spin it that Bush lied.
BTW...this republican has openly stated here that I was not in favor of all that Bush has delivered...pay attention before painting with such a broad brush.
If 9-11 had never happened and Iraq was untouched by US boots, you would still have harvested some form of whiney crap just like the euro's on this board.
It's best to get over it as you don't have alot to say about any of it that matters...Bush is in office and the congress leans to the right. Perhaps someday you might be able to say...see, I was finally right about something....until then, you just come across as a malcontented fencesitter....throwing stones at all the injustice in this world and lifting not a finger to do a damn thing about it other than type your black chopper nonsense.
Stop being such a handsomehunk....at least in public. Oh, one question....how did you get to know everything by age 35? That's impressive.
BTW...are you a natural born American or from the other side of the pond?
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> and have a good one.... ~KODA~
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Originally posted by Martlet
I don't have to. I ceded your point, then made my own.
Did you even read the thread? If you can't counter it, just say so. If you prefer to sit here and spin in hopes of drawing attention from your failed argument, be my guest, just excuse me if I don't participate.
still nothing about the sexual harrassment accusation. Counter what? What point? what are you trying to say?
this is your last post of substance
"It isn't just adultery. It's adultery in your office and sexual harrassment.
That's a pretty big difference. Adultery isn't always illegal. Sexual Harrassment is."
I ask again what sexual harrasment? I already responded
"She wanted it. Hell she kept the dress in her closet she was so happy he did it. That makes it not sexual harrassment. She didnt get threatened with a job loss or anyting. As a matter of fact vernon jordan tried to get her a better job after. "
Save your spin crap for FOX news
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Originally posted by Raider179
still nothing about the sexual harrassment accusation. Counter what? What point? what are you trying to say?
this is your last post of substance
"It isn't just adultery. It's adultery in your office and sexual harrassment.
That's a pretty big difference. Adultery isn't always illegal. Sexual Harrassment is."
I ask again what sexual harrasment? I already responded
"She wanted it. Hell she kept the dress in her closet she was so happy he did it. That makes it not sexual harrassment. She didnt get threatened with a job loss or anyting. As a matter of fact vernon jordan tried to get her a better job after. "
Save your spin crap for FOX news
My spin? Tell me, then, for what reason was Clinton disbarred?
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Sexual harassment laws don't distinguish if it's consentual or not....if it's in the workplace it's against the law...EOE laws. Hell even "a look" is referenced in the law....over here it's statute 40-2012
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Originally posted by Raider179
still nothing about the sexual harrassment accusation. Counter what? What point? what are you trying to say?
this is your last post of substance
"It isn't just adultery. It's adultery in your office and sexual harrassment.
That's a pretty big difference. Adultery isn't always illegal. Sexual Harrassment is."
I ask again what sexual harrasment? I already responded
"She wanted it. Hell she kept the dress in her closet she was so happy he did it. That makes it not sexual harrassment. She didnt get threatened with a job loss or anyting. As a matter of fact vernon jordan tried to get her a better job after. "
Save your spin crap for FOX news
Folks like you just make this too easy....not to mention the enormous entertainment value....thanks!
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hmmm maybe this
Jones had accused Clinton of exposing himself to her in a Little Rock hotel room in 1991, a year prior to his ascension to the presidency. Her suit was dismissed in 1998 by Wright, who said Clinton's alleged behavior, while it might have been "boorish," would not have met the legal standard of sexual harassment
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Originally posted by Raider179
hmmm maybe this
Jones had accused Clinton of exposing himself to her in a Little Rock hotel room in 1991, a year prior to his ascension to the presidency. Her suit was dismissed in 1998 by Wright, who said Clinton's alleged behavior, while it might have been "boorish," would not have met the legal standard of sexual harassment
BZZZZZZZZ!
Thanks for playing. Maybe try looking it up and answering again?
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Not in the workplace......ta-da....
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Disbarred for giving misleading evidence during paula jones testimony?
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Originally posted by Raider179
Disbarred for giving misleading evidence during paula jones testimony?
yep. Lying under oath.
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Originally posted by Martlet
yep. Lying under oath.
aha now I see why you edited out perjury. nice one
my argument was never that he didnt do it. It was that it was an insignifigant thing to lie about.
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Originally posted by Raider179
aha now I see why you edited out perjury. nice one
my argument was never that he didnt do it. It was that it was an insignifigant thing to lie about.
I didn't edit out perjury. I was wrong when I said perjury, so I corrected it.
So it's ok to lie about insignifcant things? Who determines what is or isn't insignificant?
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Originally posted by Martlet
So it's ok to lie about insignifcant things? Who determines what is or isn't insignificant?
thats a whole nother thread
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Originally posted by Raider179
thats a whole nother thread
You brought it into this one. Answer the question.
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no its not ok to lie about anything but it doesnt mean he should have lost the presidency either
not you or me
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Originally posted by Raider179
Fine not you or me
Then who?
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Originally posted by JB88
history teachers will.
much like caligula.
but will the senate let the horse in? only time will tell.
well caligua had some sexual features.... thats diferent story :D