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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: straffo on January 27, 2005, 01:11:47 PM
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It's on all newspaper and all TV here.
There is no coverage in the US ?
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Most of us learned about it in high school history class. There have also been several popular films and TV shows on the topic.
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I first became aware of the 60 year anniversary when prince dork went to a party dressed as a nasty. that was 3 weeks ago?
I have heard it mentioned on radio news, seen stories televised on local news and national news yesterday and today. I haven't seen it in any newspaper. I stopped reading newspapers on a regular basis years ago so I have no idea if the liberal rags in this town covered it. Probably not. Everyone else has.
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i think we're getting the coverage @ CNN/FOCKS/MSNBC
btw i heard that some arabs boycotted the important commemoration
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Im sure most in the arab world are celebrating the 60th anniversary and hopeful for a second run at it.
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ya. its here. but were kind of in the middle of a war.
usually it gets more attention.
there have been several programs about it of course, cheney spoke about it, there were interviews. but for the most part, we dont need alot of convincing on the matter. so we watch and move on.
not to put a blunt edge on it or say that its silly. its not at all.
its just that were in the middle of a war or something.
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Originally posted by JB88
ya. its here. but were kind of in the middle of a war.
usually it gets more attention.
Britain is heavily involved in that same war, but we still devoted substantial TV coverage to Auschwitz. We also have a six part TV series running about Auschwitz. I think the Queen went there to participate in the memorial services.
I would have thought that the Auschwitz debacle would have received more of a following in New York - high proportion of jews there.
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Most good yentas are busy now, at health spas in Arizona
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Think it's amazing that the place is preserved as it was. Even just the photos look pretty chillling couldn't imagine what it would be like to visit in person.
(http://www.gransito.com/Cronologia/Storia/Sgm/Immagini/auschwitz.jpg)
...-Gixer
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Whats to talk about? No one did anything wrong. They were following orders the 'creazy man' gave them.:rolleyes:
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It is in the news all day here too today, beside I was there as a youth with my class.
The hair still raise on my back when I hear the name Auschwitz. We had Norwegians that survived it and I can still here their voices telling me about the horrors they lived trough.
The humans is really the worst kinda organism living on earth, when we come down to our lowest primal behaviour.
I hope youre ironic dedalos, if not youre either stupid or a sick.
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Well of the big news outlets ABC should be ashamed, I found nothing at all. Fox and the BBC had it on the front page and CBS and CNN had links on their main page.
Fox -
http://www.foxnews.com/
ABC -
http://abcnews.go.com/
CBS - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/24/world/main668763.shtml
CNN - http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/01/27/auschwitz.anniversary/index.html
BBC -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/default.stm
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Originally posted by airguard
I hope youre ironic dedalos, if not youre either stupid or a sick.
What do you think? lol
According to Germans we should all forget about what happened cause they did not really want to commit any of the crimes they commited. They were all forced by the creazy man to do them. Oh yeah, and they all feel really really bad about it. So bad, that we sould not talk about it cause it upsets them.
They should give a big thanks to Russia cause if it was not for them, the US would not have to help them rebuild so fast and maybe the rest of Europe would get a chance to deal some forgiveness to them. But as always, watermelon floats.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Most of us learned about it in high school history class.
Well , I didn't intend to pretend you were ignorant or something derogatory.
There have also been several popular films and TV shows on the topic.
Ok,so it's exactly like here.
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Originally posted by dedalos
What do you think? lol
According to Germans we should all forget about what happened cause they did not really want to commit any of the crimes they commited. They were all forced by the creazy man to do them. Oh yeah, and they all feel really really bad about it. So bad, that we sould not talk about it cause it upsets them.
I'm find it strange because the germans I know have an attitude completly different than the one you describe.
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Originally posted by bunch
Most good yentas are busy now, at health spas in Arizona
If that was an attempt at humor you failed.
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Originally posted by straffo
I'm find it strange because the germans I know have an attitude completly different than the one you describe.
Maybe its because they are different Germans? lol. I don't mean to say every single German (I know, I kind of implied that). After all, it was a Austrian/German solder that let my dads brother off the train. I guess he felt sorry that a 14 year old christian boy was going, well don;t know where the train was going.
Now that I think about it, my wife is German also. I don't hate them or anything but I think they would like to have the hole thing forgotten. We simply should not let them.
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Straffo I was being a smartass, sorry. :)
I think anniversaries are overrated.
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Originally posted by dedalos
What do you think? lol
According to Germans we should all forget about what happened cause they did not really want to commit any of the crimes they commited. They were all forced by the creazy man to do them.
aaaahh typical brainwashed lame with out clue.
The only one thing that Germany mention about this is, that they are very sorry for that and they all the time stress that this can not be forgoten.
Would you be so kind and post some links, where german claim, that it should be forgoten ?
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=52&story_id=16082&name=Schroeder+backs+ban+for+rightists+over+Holocaust+comments
http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/27Jan2005_news36.php
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Straffo I was being a smartass, sorry. :)
:)
I think anniversaries are overrated. [/B]
I certainly agree but sadly it seems that lot of people have selective memory and need to be remembered from time to time it happened. And it's just an opportunity.
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Originally posted by dedalos
What do you think? lol
According to Germans we should all forget about what happened cause they did not really want to commit any of the crimes they commited. They were all forced by the creazy man to do them. Oh yeah, and they all feel really really bad about it. So bad, that we sould not talk about it cause it upsets them.
Remember we can't call them Germans we have to call them Nazis it's more PC. It wasn't the Germans that killed 6.1 million Jews it was the Nazis it's as if they are from a different country or something.
...-Gixer
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I pretty much mimic Dedalos's thoughts.
Everyone in germany shares no responsibility for what happened except for hitler. :rolleyes:
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Everyone in germany shares no responsibility for what happened except for hitler.
I'm not sure, but I should think most of the population of Germany was not alive before 1945. Unless this is a Sins of the Fathers thing, lasersailor? I don't think even Auschwitz survivors hold current Germans responsible for Nazi atrocities, but feel free to feel self-righteous indignation on their behalf.
As for the great PC conspiracy theory, I see it rolls on. Now where's my handbook of politically correct neologisms...
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if germany is so remorseful..why dotn they help jewish folks out more?..
Isreal?..
or how about getting there money and such back from switzerland..
no..i dotn think germany has come close to repaying the over 6 MILLION jews they killed.....
the whoel swiss bank thing to me is disgusting.....and what about the industries that profited off the deaths of slave labor?...
nope...they still owe in my mind
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Originally posted by Krusher
Well of the big news outlets ABC should be ashamed, I found nothing at all.
Why? Auschwitz isn't news.
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
if germany is so remorseful..why dotn they help jewish folks out more?..
Isreal?..
or how about getting there money and such back from switzerland..
no..i dotn think germany has come close to repaying the over 6 MILLION jews they killed.....
the whoel swiss bank thing to me is disgusting.....and what about the industries that profited off the deaths of slave labor?...
nope...they still owe in my mind
Ok how do you repay for 6 million lives?
What Dollar amount?
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well its obvious you cant give the lives back...
BUT!!!!!!!!!1
you can MAKE SURE..everything your country ..stole-raped pilaged from others is returned..
Say hello Swiss BAnks..
Come on..How many decades does it take?..its only money..but they have kept a HUGE amount of it..
I think swiss banks should be leveled
2)...How about supporting Isreal...ALL the way..No half azzz attmeps..Personally I think It should be Germany's Mision to support the Jewish State
wombatt..have you read or seen the documents and trials..and such about jews trying to reclaim what was theres at one time?...Or how about the families that were completly wiped out?...all this gold and money just sits there unclaimed...Why dont the swiss just say here Isreal..use this...nope....disgusting.
I hope all those involved with this blood money burn in hell,,and have a incedibly painful death
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My Granfather survived that camp. He was part of the Denmark underground railroad rescuing Jews from Germany. He was captured, sent to Auschwitz and liberated before his execution. He even had a barcode tattoo. When I was a child I asked him what it was and he teared up and left the room. He never talked about his experiences and kept them with him till the end.
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Originally posted by wombatt
Ok how do you repay for 6 million lives?
What Dollar amount?
well if they were slaves in the US they want 40 acres and a mule for every african american with inflation that's $1.4 trillion
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/26/slavery.reparations/
how long until some innane lawsuit is brought against the german government?
better add a disclamor.... i in NO way condone slavery or genocide, or any persocution of a race of any kind.
i only was implying there have been travesties of humanity for more than millenium, and how can we in our modern society make up for these? AND why should should we in modern society be responsible for every action of whatever ancestor of ours did?
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Originally posted by GreenCloud
well its obvious you cant give the lives back...
BUT!!!!!!!!!1
you can MAKE SURE..everything your country ..stole-raped pilaged from others is returned..
Say hello Swiss BAnks..
Come on..How many decades does it take?..its only money..but they have kept a HUGE amount of it..
I think swiss banks should be leveled
2)...How about supporting Isreal...ALL the way..No half azzz attmeps..Personally I think It should be Germany's Mision to support the Jewish State
wombatt..have you read or seen the documents and trials..and such about jews trying to reclaim what was theres at one time?...Or how about the families that were completly wiped out?...all this gold and money just sits there unclaimed...Why dont the swiss just say here Isreal..use this...nope....disgusting.
I hope all those involved with this blood money burn in hell,,and have a incedibly painful death
Yes as a Jew I am aware of these things.
But what good would Germany helping out Israel (making themselves targets for terrorist in the process" do them or anyone else?
The best thing that Germany can do is what it is doing and that is
educating it's people and making sure this never happens again.
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Originally posted by JB73
well if they were slaves in the US they want 40 acres and a mule for every african american with inflation that's $1.4 trillion
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/26/slavery.reparations/
how long until some innane lawsuit is brought against the german government?
better add a disclamor.... i in NO way condone slavery or genocide, or any persocution of a race of any kind.
i only was implying there have been travesties of humanity for more than millenium, and how can we in our modern society make up for these? AND why should should we in modern society be responsible for every action of whatever ancestor of ours did?
Might want to start with the tribal cheifs in Africa who sold most of the slaves to the white man.
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Originally posted by JB73
well if they were slaves in the US they want 40 acres and a mule for every african american with inflation that's $1.4 trillion
Just a little aside...
On January 16 1865, Forty Acres and a Mule was inacted.
In the midst of his 'March to the Sea' during the Civil War, General William T. Sherman and Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton met with 20 Black community leaders of Savannah, Georgia.
Based partly to their input, Gen. Sherman issued Special Field Order #15 on January 16, 1865, setting aside the Sea Islands and a 330-mileinland tract of land along the southern coast of Charleston for the exclusive settlement of Blacks. Each family would receive 40 acres of land and an army mule to work the land, thus "Forty Acres and A Mule."
So the Sherman / Stanton 40+ mule rule was a local rule for the sea islands and a specific tract od Carolina coast. Gen. Oliver Otis Howard attempted to enforce this rule on all confiscated or abandond confederate land.
The rule was a military rule without congressional backing and was countermanded by President Andrew Johnson as soon as he had knowledege.
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I've watched three diff shows this week pertaining to either Auschwitz, or the German death camps. I feel that it IS getting coverage here in the U.S.
Granted, not so much on the News stations, but PBS had a great special on last night that gave me alot to (re)think about. I for one hope what happened at the death camps is never forgotten, or regulated into "that happened a long time ago, and we have changed since then" history.
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PBS here is doing a special on it, 6 hours worth..
Lots of neat information, as well as disturbing..
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Just a little aside...
On January 16 1865, Forty Acres and a Mule was inacted.
In the midst of his 'March to the Sea' during the Civil War, General William T. Sherman and Secretary of War Edwin M. Stanton met with 20 Black community leaders of Savannah, Georgia.
Based partly to their input, Gen. Sherman issued Special Field Order #15 on January 16, 1865, setting aside the Sea Islands and a 330-mileinland tract of land along the southern coast of Charleston for the exclusive settlement of Blacks. Each family would receive 40 acres of land and an army mule to work the land, thus "Forty Acres and A Mule."
So the Sherman / Stanton 40+ mule rule was a local rule for the sea islands and a specific tract od Carolina coast. Gen. Oliver Otis Howard attempted to enforce this rule on all confiscated or abandond confederate land.
The rule was a military rule without congressional backing and was countermanded by President Andrew Johnson as soon as he had knowledege.
funniest thing of it all to myself is the "slaves" were promised more than us american indians were in the end...
as drew carey said "guess we shoulda fought harder"
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Originally posted by JB73
funniest thing of it all to myself is the "slaves" were promised more than us american indians were in the end...
as drew carey said "guess we shoulda fought harder"
Actually the Navajo reservation far exceeds the small amount of Carolina promised in Sherman's edict.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Actually the Navajo reservation far exceeds the small amount of Carolina promised in Sherman's edict.
not if you caount the 40 acres for every african american in america at the time, let alone how many today
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Originally posted by JB73
not if you caount the 40 acres for every african american in america at the time, let alone how many today
That's just the point... it wasn't promised for all slaves everywhere in the confederacy. Only those on the barrier islands in SC.
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I think straffo was surprised that more people didn't mention it on this board. Obviously it's going to get TV coverage everywhere.
Straffo - good job the Auschwitz Liberation did not occur on the 11th September, otherwise we would be forbidden from mentioning it or any of the commemorative ceremonies. I remember what happened last time. :rolleyes:
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remembering the slaughter of Jews is important...
NEVER AGAIN WE SAID...
then Rwanda happened...
2 faced moronic freaks
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I think straffo was surprised that more people didn't mention it on this board. Obviously it's going to get TV coverage everywhere.
It was best left of the board all together. You can see by the replies that every little Ami natiionalist won't take time to remember the dead but will use the opportunity to 'Euro bash'
Straffo you should know better by now.
If you any of you would like to learn some history then here's a link to the Axis History Forums's section on Holocaust & 20th Century War Crimes (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=d402bbe3353f3777a2a97c3c5400146b)
As Hawkwind mentioned PBS is running a series entitled: 'Auschwitz, The Nazis and the Holocaust'. It ran in the UK earlier in the month.
Also read Rudolph Höß, Death Dealer: The Memoirs of the SS Commandant at Auschwitz by Steven Paskuly
p155-157
The Gassings
Before the mass destruction of the Jews began, all the Russian politruks [Communist Party members] and political commissars were killed in almost every camp during 1941 and 1942. According to the secret order given by Hitler, the Einsatzgruppe [special troops of the SS] searched for and picked up the Russian politruks and commissars from all the POW camps. They transferred all they found to the nearest concentration camp for liquidation. The reason for this action was given as follows: the Russians were murdering any German soldier who was a member of the Nazi Party, especially SS members. Also, the political section of the Red Army had a standing order to cause unrest in every way in any POW camp or places where the POWs worked. If they were caught or imprisoned, they were instructed to perform acts of sabotage. This is why these political officials of the Red Army were sent to Auschwitz for liquidation. The first small transports were shot by firing squads of SS soldiers.
While I was on an official trip, my second in command, Camp Commander Fritzsch, experimented with gas for these killings. He used a gas called Cyclon B, prussic acid,[1] which was often used as an insecticide in the camp to exterminate lice and vermin. There was always a supply on hand. When I returned Fritzsch reported to me about how he had used the gas. We used it again to kill the next transport.
The gassing was carried out in the basement of Block 11. I viewed the killings wearing a gas mask for protection. Death occurred in the crammed-full cells immediately after the gas was thrown in. Only a brief choking outcry and it was all over.[2] This first gassing of people did not really sink into my mind. Perhaps I was much too impressed by the whole procedure.
I remember well and was much more impressed by the gassing of nine hundred Russians which occurred soon afterwards in the old crematory because the use of Block 11 caused too many problems. While the unloading took place, several holes were simply punched from above through the earth and concrete ceiling of the mortuary. The Russians had to undress in the antechamber, then everyone calmly walked into the mortuary because they were told they were to be deloused in there. The entire transport fit exactly in the room. The doors were closed and the gas poured in through the openings in the roof. How long the process lasted, I don't know, but for quite some time sounds could be heard. As the gas was thrown in some of them yelled "Gas!" and a tremendous screaming and shoving started toward both doors, but the doors were able to withstand all the force. It was not until several hours later that the doors were opened and the room aired out. There for the first time I saw gassed bodies in mass. Even though I imagined death by gas to be much worse, I still was overcome by a sick feeling, a horror. I always imagined death by gas a terrible choking suffocation, but the bodies showed no signs of convulsions. The doctors explained to me that prussic acid paralyzes the lungs.[3] The effect is so sudden and so powerful that symptoms of suffocation never appear as in cases of death by coal gas or by lack of oxygen.
At the time I really didn't waste any thoughts about the killing of the Russian POWs. It was ordered; I had to carry it out. But I must admit openly that the gassings had a calming effect on me, since in the near future the mass annihilation of the Jews was to begin. Up to this point it was not clear to me, nor to Eichmann, how the killing of the expected masses was to be done. Perhaps by gas? But how, and what kind of gas? Now we had discovered the gas and the procedure. I was always horrified of death by firing squads, especially when I thought of the huge numbers of women and children who would have to be killed. I had had enough of hostage executions, and the mass killings by firing squad ordered by Himmler and Heydrich.
footnotes:
[1.] "The gas [Cyclon B] was manufactured by the Dessauer Works for Sugar and Chemical Industry and distributed by the German Corporation for Combating Vermin [Deutsche Gesellschaft für Schaedlingsbekaempfung m.b.H.—Degesch], whose managing director was Dr. Gerhard Peters. The Cyclon-B was used for fumigating ships, army posts, and camps, as well as for the killings in Auschwitz . . . Specific quantities within the allocation of the gas were ordered by the SS Economics Administrative Main Office's Group D, located in Oranienburg and headed by SS Brigadier General Richard Gluecks." Documents of Destruction, edited by Raul Hilberg, 1971, p. 219.
Hydrocyanic acid—HCN--(prussic acid) is a highly volatile, poisonous liquid used for fumigation and for case-hardening iron and steel. It is also used in electroplating. The German Cyclon B was a mixture of this acid with diatomaceous earth creating the blue crystalline substance so often described. The containers were airtight because the crystals sublimated into gas, that is, went from their solid state to a gas upon contact with air. The rate of sublimation depended on temperature and humidity. Lower temperature and high humidity cause the process of sublimation to be considerably slowed. Water hydrolyzes the gas, since it is miscible (dissolves) in water. Therefore, a spray of water, preferably slightly acidic, would neutralize the gas. "Treatise on Inorganic Chemistry," Encyclopedia of Chemical Technology.
[2.] Death is caused by the cyanide gas combining with red blood cells, thus prohibiting them from carrying needed oxygen to the body. Victims of this gas first fall unconscious due to lack of oxygen. As the body struggles to save the vital organs, it cuts off the blood flow to the extremities, attempting to bring the oxygen-full blood to the heart, brain, and other vital organs. If the victim is not removed or given the amio nitrate antidote, he will die of oxygen starvation. This explains the many descriptions of the Sonderkommando, who worked pulling out bodies from the gas chambers. They reported that the victims' lips, fingers, toes, and even ears were purple or dark blue. The gas is noticeable in the air by a bitter almond smell; some have described it as a peach pit smell. Two hundred to five hundred parts per million of air for thirty minutes is usually fatal. Interview with Craig Skaggs, Dupont Chemical Company, Wilmington, Delaware.
[3.] Hoess and the doctors are incorrect. See footnote 2.
[4.] The infamous Einsatzgruppe (special action squads) was a contingent of the SS who followed behind the Wehrmacht (regular German army) and arrested Communist Party members, those connected with the Soviet government (politruks) and Jews. These were usually marched to a wooded area, machine-gunned to death, then buried in shallow mass graves. If the number was small, they would be shot in town and their bodies left.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Im sure most in the arab world are celebrating the 60th anniversary and hopeful for a second run at it.
Anti-semitism was an almost unknown phenomenon in the Arab world until the US and Europe opened the zionist floodgates in Palestine. Up until then, it had been almost exclusively confined to so-called Christian nations. If the Arabs are indeed hoping for a second run, we have to ask ourselves what caused their centuries-old attitude to change.
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Originally posted by beet1e
I think straffo was surprised that more people didn't mention it on this board. Obviously it's going to get TV coverage everywhere.
Right.
Straffo - good job the Auschwitz Liberation did not occur on the 11th September, otherwise we would be forbidden from mentioning it or any of the commemorative ceremonies. I remember what happened last time. :rolleyes: [/B]
Whats it really necessary to post this ?
Je pense que c'est jeter unitilement de l'huile sur le feu :)
Originally posted by Wotan
It was best left of the board all together. You can see by the replies that every little Ami natiionalist won't take time to remember the dead but will use the opportunity to 'Euro bash'
Straffo you should know better by now.
Sadly I think you are right :(
I was more thinking of the dead than providing a reason for a bash fight ...
Such kind of fight IMO is just throwing mud on the memory of the fallen.
Thank for the link I think I'll learn a lot on the Axis BBS., not that I'm ignorant but any way to learn and remember is good for me.
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Originally posted by Wotan
You can see by the replies that every little Ami natiionalist won't take time to remember the dead but will use the opportunity to 'Euro bash'
That would not be a 'Ami bash' would it?
As for observing anniversaries, while I do not forget the shoah, I would rather observe Mozart's 249th. I have better dreams.
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Hey, guys, did anyone of you go there?
I was there,- It is cchilling experience.
The size of the camp in Birkenau is just whooping, - it's like a small town, and it was crammed to the full.
Worth the visit definately.
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Originally posted by Gixer
Think it's amazing that the place is preserved as it was. Even just the photos look pretty chillling couldn't imagine what it would be like to visit in person.
(http://www.gransito.com/Cronologia/Storia/Sgm/Immagini/auschwitz.jpg)
...-Gixer
been there was raized not too far from there............deadly place:(also my grandmother escaped from a work camp there she was to be executed for placing sand in ammo shells.. she manged to get away hid in a tomb for 11 days with no water and food .she was found by a russian on day 3..... he was goin to give her up to the germans ...... he didint make it....... grand ma took him out.....
its amazing what a person will do to peserve theyr life...
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Originally posted by straffo
Je pense que c'est jeter unitilement de l'huile sur le feu :)
Peut être que tu as raison, mon ami, mais on devait le dire.
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Thank for the link I think I'll learn a lot on the Axis BBS., not that I'm ignorant but any way to learn and remember is good for me.
I didn't mean to imply you are ignorant (at least no more then the rest of us) but I imagine most ordinary folks are like myself. We have heard of Auschwitz and the Holocaust but only have a limited understanding of what it really was.
For instance, I am sure you have heard of Treblinka. Did you know that around 30 SS guards and 120 or so Ukrainians that around 900,000 persons were murdered in Treblinka during '42 alone? The current (I use 'current' because over time more research is uncovering more data) estimations for the murdered at Auschwitz range from 1.1 to 1.5 million. That's over the life span of the camp.
That would not be a 'Ami bash' would it?
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I was specific in my criticism:
little Ami nationalist
Do you consider all Americans 'little Ami nationalist'? Or are you guessing that I do? Do you include yourself in that?
What ever your answers that is all on you. I would guess most anyone else who can read properly understand who I meant by that statement.
As for observing anniversaries, while I do not forget the shoah, I would rather observe Mozart's 249th. I have better dreams.
I don't think the original posteris attempting to shame folks into remebering the liberation of Auschwitz. There's already enough fake emotion and the like on these forums. I think he was just a bit surprised to find no mention of it.
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Originally posted by Momus--
Anti-semitism was an almost unknown phenomenon in the Arab world until the US and Europe opened the zionist floodgates in Palestine. Up until then, it had been almost exclusively confined to so-called Christian nations. If the Arabs are indeed hoping for a second run, we have to ask ourselves what caused their centuries-old attitude to change.
Momus you are brilliant! The Germans had never performed mass extermination before WW2. But something "caused their centuries-old attitude to change." I am sure you cannot blame them then for their actions.
The victum always deserves what he gets in one way or the other. Right?
Why don't you take a day off work stay home and reflect on your attitudes. Really. If you believe what you are posting you are in serious trouble man.
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Originally posted by Habu
Momus you are brilliant! The Germans had never performed mass extermination before WW2. But something "caused their centuries-old attitude to change." I am sure you cannot blame them then for their actions.
The victum always deserves what he gets in one way or the other. Right?
Why don't you take a day off work stay home and reflect on your attitudes. Really. If you believe what you are posting you are in serious trouble man.
Reading comprehension isn't your strong point is it?
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I am sure my reading comprehension is just fine. Your point was very plain to see.
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Originally posted by Habu
I am sure my reading comprehension is just fine. Your point was very plain to see.
Momus you are brilliant! The Germans had never performed mass extermination before WW2. But something "caused their centuries-old attitude to change." I am sure you cannot blame them then for their actions.
That doesn't relate at all to anything I posted at all as far as I can see.
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No you did not directly say that. But then again sarcasm is usually not a direct quote of something someone said.
I was merely extending your logic to show that applied to the Germans in WW2 it is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as your implication that the Arabs are Anti Semitic because they were made that way by the West.
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Originally posted by SLO
remembering the slaughter of Jews is important...
NEVER AGAIN WE SAID...
then Rwanda happened...
2 faced moronic freaks
You forgot about Armenia. Shame on you.
Karaya
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Originally posted by Habu
No you did not directly say that. But then again sarcasm is usually not a direct quote of something someone said.
I was merely extending your logic to show that applied to the Germans in WW2 it is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as your implication that the Arabs are Anti Semitic because they were made that way by the West.
That's a lovely straw man you're constructed there. Any inferred reference to Germany is in your own head.
Is it the suggestion that pre-Zionism arabs had no history of anti-semitism that offends you? Or perhaps you have a problem with the assertion that Zionism was largely supported by Britain and the USA with little concern for Arab opinion? If this on the basis of factual inaccuracy then please feel free to correct me. However, if it is on the basis of cognitive disonance on your part, then you're on your own, I can't help.
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Originally posted by lada
aaaahh typical brainwashed lame with out clue.
The only one thing that Germany mention about this is, that they are very sorry for that and they all the time stress that this can not be forgoten.
Would you be so kind and post some links, where german claim, that it should be forgoten ?
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=52&story_id=16082&name=Schroeder+backs+ban+for+rightists+over+Holocaust+comments
http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/27Jan2005_news36.php
lol, I am sure they are sorry. And you are right, I have been brain washed by some of their victims that escaped. However, did you ever think what exactly are they sorry about? How sorry would they be if that war had been won by them? Ask the US how sorry they are about the Indians. As sorry as the Germans would have been had they won that war.
It's like a serial killer that gets cought and tells the judge he is sory and need help. Sorry he got cought. He is sos sorry that he could not stop the killing.
You are from Poland right? You do realize you were going to be next on their list? Then again, I could be just brain wassed and clueless.
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Originally posted by dedalos
It's like a serial killer that gets cought and tells the judge he is sory and need help. Sorry he got cought. He is sos sorry that he could not stop the killing.
You are from Poland right? You do realize you were going to be next on their list? Then again, I could be just brain wassed and clueless.
Well i dont think that its like an serial killer.
Serial killer commited crime personaly. Contemporary germany has nothing to do with people who were involved 67 years ago.
The true reason why they expose their feeling is that they dont want to stay away from others. They want to be part of this world.
Im not from Poland. Our o****ry were donated to hitler after Austria.
Im from that small country whitch has been given to Hitler by its ally [UK and other] and after WW2 it has been given to Stalin for his participation in WW2 by man who critized that Chamberlein for passing us to Hitler.
Shall hate Brits or German for what they have done ?
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LOL the typo above. :lol
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Sorry but I kind of agree with momus.
The holocaust was a crime of epic proportions and utterly inexcusable.
I find it slightly offensive though that a people that have suffered so, can suddenly forget or find excuses for the fact that in what became Israel, Palistinian people were forcibly removed from their homes, confined to what have now become largely ghettos and have been masssacred in refugee camps. ( we call that ethnic cleansing when it happens in Europe )
I just don't understand it. nothing excuses violence and bloodshed like we see on or TV's from any side. But please can't all of us face up to the wrongs that were done in our name and learn from them and condemn them whatever.
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Originally posted by lada
Well i dont think that its like an serial killer.
Serial killer commited crime personaly. Contemporary germany has nothing to do with people who were involved 67 years ago.
The true reason why they expose their feeling is that they dont want to stay away from others. They want to be part of this world.
Im not from Poland. Our o****ry were donated to hitler after Austria.
Im from that small country whitch has been given to Hitler by its ally [UK and other] and after WW2 it has been given to Stalin for his participation in WW2 by man who critized that Chamberlein for passing us to Hitler.
Shall hate Brits or German for what they have done ?
Sorry about getting your country wrong.
Don't hate anyone. Just don't forget because all theses nice people, given a chance, will do it again. Remember so you can see the singns of it and stop it before it happens.
As far as contemporary Germans having noting to do with the people involved, well I know that. However, some of the sorry I was tricked by the creazy man Germans are still alive. They have a lot to do with what happened.
You know, I maybe clueless and brain washed, but it takes a special kind of person to shoot an old woman in the back of the head cause she did not move fast enough. Greece was occupided by both Italian and German forces. The difference was that the Italians would give food and what ever medicin they happen to have to the starving and sick kidds. The Germans would just kick them or shoot them. They were both following a creazy man but some how they were not the same.
I guess I am having an issue with the "I am sorry, lets put it behind us while we critisize everyone else" attitude.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Greece was occupided by both Italian and German forces.
Yes - the setting for "The Guns of Navarone" movie.
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Originally posted by beet1e
Yes - the setting for "The Guns of Navarone" movie.
were those things real or just a movie?