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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Kweassa on January 28, 2005, 01:57:35 PM
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Well?? How is it?
Express how you feel guys! :)
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I forsee usage levels on the new P-38 will be somewhat less than the Ki-84.
Unless the J carries L-size ordinance for more perks, then it will probably get most of the use.
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J doesnt have the same rocket loadout as L.
well, i love them. well worth the wait as far as i am concerned.
i do think there will be some perkfarming going on in the G model. to bad i dont use perks all that much, occasional jet run, wish we could do something else with them. :)
the PJ is here!!
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im luvin the 38 right now cause everbodies uppin in them and they gettin shot right down. but I'm gonna hate when the experienced pj pilots up.
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Originally posted by doobs
im luvin the 38 right now cause everbodies uppin in them and they gettin shot right down. but I'm gonna hate when the experienced pj pilots up.
And just want does the P-38J do that the P-38L doesn't do better?
This isn't AWIII.
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i am downloading
i cannot wait :eek:
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the p-38 g turns like its on rails ... no wep or dive flaps though ... it is slower though but its turn ability will make it a very dangerous apponenet ... (cant wait to tnb against a hurri )
the J model is faster and has a great view
I went in and bagged 2 pelts in each of them .. they are alot of fun to fly
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Simply outstanding work by the folks at HTC:aok
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just wanted to say again...the PJ is here!!!:aok
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Originally posted by killnu
just wanted to say again...the PJ is here!!!:aok
Ha! Congrats that you got your PJ! :P
:D
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very impressed! I really like how these earlier p38s feel, the powered ailerons on later models may increase roll rate at high speeds but they just dont feel right. Seems this way in most sims. The pj is a dream come true!
i found some errors with the G model's cockpit:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/283_1106960792_ahss16.jpg)
it seems the perspective is a bit off, maybe the controls are a bit high or the plate is a bit big, not sure. I dont mind how it limits visibility since i can look under it with tirV, which is kinda cool emersion wise.
here is a little error with the gunsite
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/283_1106960850_ahss18.jpg)
im sure these will be easy to fix
all in all great work, the new p38 fm's are pretty dang good!
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The new patch is outstanding, remodeled and new P-38s are breathtaking.
Still, I'm surprised to see the PJ being clearly superior now to the L. Looks like all 38s have more generous compressibility limits now which makes the dive flap advantage of the L model inconsequential. The PJ handles better then the old L in pitch which is now a dump truck in comparison. Difference between boosted and non-boosted ailerons is there but is hardly an advantage in low speed maneuvers, since the PJ can be swiftly stalled and cranked around with ruder regaining immediate control by pushing the nose a little afterwards.
The PJ is a hell of a ride, better than the pre patch L.
The L sucks now as a fighter, but that's ok, the strat guys will strap bombs under it anyway, thank god the PJ has a smaller bombload ;)
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Just got 11 kills withot being killed in the G
That plane is awesome it turns very good
i already jumped niks and spits with it. It turns with them np.
ill try the J and L later
but to much fun jet in the furballightning
:)
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Neither the J or the L have the gun sight attached to the dash. Yea, its a picky complaint, but there it is.
I like the J much better than the L, lighter and the dive brakes aren't worth the loss of manuverability.
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I liked the DVD screen they included in the deluxe touring G package.
And replaced the W.E.P. button with air bag button .w00t..bounce...w00t...bounce ..
:aok
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I forsee usage levels on the new P-38 will be somewhat less than the Ki-84.
I think you may be wrong. They are a blast.
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I love the new 38s. The G is a VERY comperable (sp?) turner. It can hold its own against just about any plane in AH as of now. The J is IMO far superior to the L. It turns better, is faster, and has a great view to match.
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"And just want does the P-38J do that the P-38L doesn't do better?"
The J model is faster in acceleration than the L model (its weight to engine power is much better than the L model).
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Originally posted by United
I love the new 38s. The G is a VERY comperable (sp?) turner. It can hold its own against just about any plane in AH as of now. The J is IMO far superior to the L. It turns better, is faster, and has a great view to match.
The L is still the better of the three. While the J might have some performance gain in a slightly higher speed, acceleration and climb rate the P-38L is far more stable and higher and slower speeds.
Having said that, I agree that as the novelty of the new planes wear off there is going to be less usage of the G and J. You'll most likely them flown by the dedicated P-38 drivers in this game while the more casual P-38 flyer will stick with the P-38L.
Someone asked me if the G turned better than the J and honestly, I couldn't tell if it could or couldn't. The only 1v1 fight I engaged in was against a P-38G that I had absolutely no troubles in out turning it in the P-38J. On the basis of that fight I could say no that it doesn't turn better than the J but I probably ran into a less experienced P-38 driver. Maybe for the casual P-38 driver the (if any) turn performance the P-38G has might give them an increased chance of survival but if they were to run up against an experienced P-38 pilot in the J or L, whatever difference there might be would probably be moot.
If you can already out turn planes in the P-38L, you should have no troubles doing the same against the G or J models. But that's just my opinion, so YMMV.
ack-ack
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Oh, one more thing. Just because the G and the J don't have dive flaps, there should be no fear of diving them. As long as you do not dive the G or J above 20,000ft you shouldn't have to worry about compressability. If you start your dive below the 20,000ft threshold and start to enter into a high speed buffet, just decrease throttle and use some rudder slip to increase drag and you'll be able to control the speed of your dive. Like the P-38L, I was able to get the P-38J to close to 500mph IAS in a dive and pull out easily. A nudge of positive elevator trim might also aid in the dive recovery but really shouldn't be needed if you take care to control your speed in the dive.
ack-ack
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I augered in this as nicely as any other ones!
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
Just got 11 kills withot being killed in the G
That plane is awesome it turns very good
i already jumped niks and spits with it. It turns with them np.
ill try the J and L later
but to much fun jet in the furballightning
:)
I flew two sorties in the P-38G. I ended up with 5 kills (four fighters and a C-47), 3 assists, and one dead fighter hanger. Lost the plane to manned ack while de-acking the base.
I flew it the TA prior to going to the MA to work out views and get a feel for it and the P-38J.
My opinion is that the G model's reduced weight allows for better turning and a slightly lower stall speed. This allows you deal with the turn fighters well enough, as long as the fight doesn't spend too much time in the vertical. Climb is comparable to the P-51. Be advised that range is reduced due to having 110 gallons less internal fuel capacity than the J and L. Energy takes longer to build.
I find the P-38J climbs a bit better than the G, is notably faster (about 20-25 mph), but doesn't turn quite as well.
Then we have the P-38L. It outclimbs the other two easily. It accelerates better and can fight better in the vertical.
Over all, compression issues are greatly improved for all P-38s, as is outward visibility.
So, in general the P-38L is improved, the P-38J is very useful and the P-38G is a decent furballer with the ability to carry a very useful bombload. All in all, they will all be fun.
My regards,
Widewing
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Is it me or are the G and J's flight models more detailed? The {pree patch} L feels a bit hollow in comparison. Its probably just the power asisted ailerons im not sure.
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The p38G flat out rules, now you spittards are going to have a large bundle of problems... ;)
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The p38G flat out rules, now you spittards are going to have a large bundle of problems...
i like your sig line
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I remain highly skeptical of the P-38's manueverability. It just seems to me that a plane with 20+lbs more per square foot of wingloading isn't going to turn as well, regardless of what you do with flaps. E.g., the P-38 should not turn with a Spitfire, any Spitfire.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I remain highly skeptical of the P-38's manueverability. It just seems to me that a plane with 20+lbs more per square foot of wingloading isn't going to turn as well, regardless of what you do with flaps. E.g., the P-38 should not turn with a Spitfire, any Spitfire.
I'm with you Karnak, Spits still outturn them quite easily.
Outturning the odd poor spit pilot is not really strong evidence of true plane performance ;)
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it's the man not the machine :p
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Karnak, no P-38 can turn with a Spit in the game. However, they can force a gun solution and "stuff in" a shot before having to go easy on the stick to avoid real stall.
In AH1, almost all planes could do this. Just at the brink of stall, when you need a little bit more lead to hit the target, you can momentarily yank the stick back, take a shot, and ease off.
In AH2, only the P-38 can do that. Couple that with the efficient flaps, and the P-38 can gain a gun solution against almost any plane, however extremely the target is turning. Most P-38 pilots who can do that easily, also have a keen sense of gunnery in most cases. So once a P-38 grabs somebody by the tail, it will most likely shoot the target down before the turning really gets prolonged and the true difference in turn rates/angles show off.
This isn't really a "turn" at all, but sort of forcing the pitch angle up over the limit for a short time. If the situation is reversed and an at least decent Spitfire pilot first latches on to a P-38, the P-38 can't really 'outturn' it to safety.
People usually refer to that situation as "outturning", but it isn't. Force of habit I guess.
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Originally posted by Deth7
it's the man not the machine :p
Think Karnak was comparing the machines - not the men :)
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Karnak, no P-38 can turn with a Spit in the game. However, they can force a gun solution and "stuff in" a shot before having to go easy on the stick to avoid real stall.
In AH1, almost all planes could do this. Just at the brink of stall, when you need a little bit more lead to hit the target, you can momentarily yank the stick back, take a shot, and ease off.
In AH2, only the P-38 can do that. Couple that with the efficient flaps, and the P-38 can gain a gun solution against almost any plane, however extremely the target is turning. Most P-38 pilots who can do that easily, also have a keen sense of gunnery in most cases. So once a P-38 grabs somebody by the tail, it will most likely shoot the target down before the turning really gets prolonged and the true difference in turn rates/angles show off.
Not sure the 38 is the only plane with this trait. I've always thought of it as utilizing the nose bounce - just twanging the nose on the edge of stall to get a shot - the Spit 5 does it pretty well also.
Anyway, the 38 is still an ugly POS that lawn darts , stalls, spins and does all manner of crap to me , so you guys can still have it ;)
I think my dislike stems back to it's uber-plane days in WB when it ruled the skies with hammerhead flips and UFO tricks ;)
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the pitch thing that kweasa's talking about, the p51 can do that very well too. Often they say they out tuned a spit when really they just yanked it with a click of flaps.
suckered a spitV into flying slow vs my g, i just sat back there poping flaps, he was trying to over shoot me, he just totered in. i defanantly agree with who ever stated the g has the lowest stall speed, you have to watch it tho, its similare to the c hog, you have to really manage your e or you will winde up on the botom of the fight.
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But compare the consequences when you make a mistake when doing that. Spitfires have a high tendency of falling into a tail-hurling flatspin, and the P-51s also have a tendency to spin in a violent manner.
The turning momentum is discontinued when that happens, and you have to correct your plane's attitude and resume turning - which by the time your plane resumes turning, it lost a lot of ground, and a firing solution will probably never be gained again. You "lost the turn fight" - time to straighten out, accelerate full, and run away.
The P-38 can pull much harder than the other planes, and it will just "mush" when it goes over the edge. No wobbling or destabilization. The plane still "turns" even if it stalls. Only when a lot of rudder is applied, or in a very tight downwards turn, the P-38 will ever go into a spin.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Well?? How is it?
Express how you feel guys! :)
Every time I see them, I like to leave them... "Extra Chrispy"
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Arrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhh... the tiny guages.