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Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: NUKE on January 29, 2005, 09:54:16 PM
In about 10 minutes, free elections begin in Iraq.

I have been following FOX news for about 2 hours. This is exciting and I really feel this is a great, historic time for the Iraqi people.

I'm praying for the people of Iraq and hope you can spare one or two prayers too. This is a huge moment in the history of the middle east and for the people of Iraq.
Title: Re: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Raider179 on January 29, 2005, 10:01:05 PM
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Originally posted by NUKE
In about 10 minutes, free elections begin in Iraq.

I have been following FOX news for about 2 hours. This is exciting and I really feel this is a great, historic time for the Iraqi people.

I'm praying for the people of Iraq and hope you can spare one or two prayers too. This is a huge moment in the history of the middle east and for the people of Iraq.


Same here Nuke. Hope it goes without to much violence.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Elfie on January 29, 2005, 10:11:31 PM
The election is gonna be rough in places, I think we can count on the insurgents hitting some of the polling places. Hopefully that wont deter Iraqi's from going to the polling places though.

I'm with you Nuke, the Iraqi's have an opportunity here. We'll see how they choose :)
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Nash on January 29, 2005, 10:22:22 PM
Heh, until this thread it was like nobody even noticed.

I chalked it up to one side bracing for carnage, and the other entertaining the idea that the election isn't really going to change very much.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Raider179 on January 29, 2005, 10:30:19 PM
Ahhh shookie who saw the predator video of the green zone attack. Man we need armed ones flying over the base. Stop those kind of things before they start even setting up.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Yeager on January 29, 2005, 11:24:15 PM
nash I get the sense you hope the election ends in disaster.  Would'nt be surprised if that was the case.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Nash on January 29, 2005, 11:27:10 PM
Geahdjhdbkle.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Yeager on January 29, 2005, 11:28:01 PM
whatever....
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Nash on January 29, 2005, 11:29:39 PM
heh...
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: NUKE on January 29, 2005, 11:39:55 PM
I wonder. If this free Iraq thing happens, what will the free Iraqis  think of the efforts of countries like France, Germany, Canada, and Spain to help make it happen.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Gunslinger on January 30, 2005, 12:02:38 AM
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Originally posted by Raider179
Ahhh shookie who saw the predator video of the green zone attack. Man we need armed ones flying over the base. Stop those kind of things before they start even setting up.


actually it turned out pretty good.  The predater video lead troops to arrest the 7 of them.  Fox said they tested their hands for explosives chemicals and 5 popped positive.  

hope they like womans underwear  ;)
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: GRUNHERZ on January 30, 2005, 12:11:01 AM
Where can you see the predator video?
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Shuckins on January 30, 2005, 12:14:14 AM
Polls have been open for two hours.  Three polling places have been bombed...one was leveled...and yet there were NO casualties.

Let's hope that's as bad as it gets.

Reports are that the voting turnout is heavy.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Raider179 on January 30, 2005, 12:16:10 AM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Where can you see the predator video?


Been playing on fox about every 20 mins
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Holden McGroin on January 30, 2005, 12:21:20 AM
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Foxnews
Over the past 24 hours, insurgents carried out attacks on polling stations in major cities across the nation, according to senior military officials, who said the Iraqi police and army are responding to calls at a much higher rate than expected. In one case, a man attempted to carry out an attack on a horse.  


Why did the man attack a horse?  I'm calling PETA.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Raider179 on January 30, 2005, 12:23:35 AM
Man they will just let anything that walks or trots into a polling place vote over there. lol
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Thrawn on January 30, 2005, 12:32:32 AM
You need to get a life NUKE.  Not being able to wait 10 minutes just so you can be the first to post a thread on the Iraqi elections today is ever Ripesque.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Holden McGroin on January 30, 2005, 12:39:22 AM
Geeze...

Nuke posted too late for Nash, too early for Thrawn.

Guess you can't make all the Canucks happy.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: GRUNHERZ on January 30, 2005, 12:55:54 AM
They are just eager to find anything wrong that deals with this election in any way possible. :)
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: JB88 on January 30, 2005, 12:58:24 AM
im not.  regardless of how i feel about our recent expansionist policies, or what i feel about the war, i am praying for the best for our fellow humans in iraq.

good luck folks.

Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Nash on January 30, 2005, 12:58:52 AM
More like you're just eager that we "are just eager to find anything wrong that deals with this election in any way possible."
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Thrawn on January 30, 2005, 01:01:18 AM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
They are just eager to find anything wrong that deals with this election in any way possible. :)



Nah, just pissed at his tardish trolling.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: JB88 on January 30, 2005, 01:02:36 AM
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Originally posted by Nash
More like you're just eager that we "are just eager to find anything wrong that deals with this election in any way possible."


agreed. would they actually paint people that way to make themselves feel better about thier opinions?

what sort of mindset is that?

are you insinuating that i might want an innocent human being to be blown to bits so i can see bush fail?

no more than i want to see an american get a fresh tunnel through his brain for his  triumph.  which i dont.

thats just silly.

really.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: SirLoin on January 30, 2005, 01:06:19 AM
im sure u will read in press about how iraqis risked their lives to cast ballots..

the actal reality..

the iraq war is lost..its time to gtfo
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: GRUNHERZ on January 30, 2005, 01:12:15 AM
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Originally posted by SirLoin
im sure u will read in press about how iraqis risked their lives to cast ballots..

the actal reality..

the iraq war is lost..its time to gtfo


And thats why you are Canadian. ;)
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Yeager on January 30, 2005, 01:14:54 AM
what crawled up femloins butt and took a bite?
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Nash on January 30, 2005, 01:16:01 AM
Aw jeeze! Did ya just have to go and do that?
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: SOB on January 30, 2005, 01:17:14 AM
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Originally posted by NUKE
I wonder. If this free Iraq thing happens, what will the free Iraqis  think of the efforts of countries like France, Germany, Canada, and Spain to help make it happen.

I wonder.  Who really gives a watermelon what the Iraqis think?  All the same though, I hope today ends without too much bloodshed.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: SirLoin on January 30, 2005, 01:22:05 AM
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Originally posted by Yeager
what crawled up femloins butt and took a bite?


a little gerbil called reality
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: SOB on January 30, 2005, 01:23:20 AM
Ewww, you should have named him "Tunnel Rat" instead of "Reality".  Sicko. :p
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Holden McGroin on January 30, 2005, 01:56:36 AM
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Originally posted by SOB
I wonder.  Who really gives a watermelon what the Iraqis think?  


Kinda the point of having an election ... isn't it?
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: babek- on January 30, 2005, 02:00:40 AM
The problem is that most of the sunnite minority, who had ruled Iraq since it was created after WW1, will not go to the election.
The major sunnite party had withdrawn from the election.

Its expected that no more than 20% of the sunnites will vote.

On the other hand nearly all of shiites will vote - they follow the order of Grand-Ajatollah Sistani who asked them to go to vote, because he knows that one of his candidates will win the election if they do so.

And so its not surprising that in these first hours of the elections there have been suicide bomb attacks in shiite iraqui cities.

Sarkawi and his gang try to stop Sistani.

I fear that this will be a very bloody day.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Holden McGroin on January 30, 2005, 02:08:08 AM
But other Sunnis say:

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Saddam Neighbors Believe in Ballot

ALAM -- Many Iraqis living near Saddam Hussein's hometown said they will vote today because the ballot -- not violence -- will end Iraq's occupation by U.S.-led coalition troops. The small town of Alam, 10 miles northeast of Saddam's home city of Tikrit, is relatively quiet, unlike other Sunni Muslim areas west and north of Baghdad that roil with fierce opposition to the national elections.
The local leader of one of Iraq's largest clans here is bidding for a seat in the 275-member National Assembly. Mashaan al-Jbouri, who heads the Liberation and Reconciliation Front, has said the country can be freed from occupation only through peaceful means.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: babek- on January 30, 2005, 02:29:15 AM
While radicals like Sarkawi or Al-Sadr were making their stupid attacks against the US-troops and iraqui policemen, Grand Ajatollah Sistani had worked politicly for this day.

And so his candidates - like Abd al-Asis al-Hakim or Adil Abd al-Mahdi or Hussein al-Schahristani - have good chances to win the election.

There are still sunnite candidates - like the 81 years old Adnan Patschatschi - but I doubt that they will get much votes when so many sunnites wont go to vote.

And I also doubt that people like Ahmad Tschalabi or Ijad Alawi will get many votes.

But no matter, who wins today. Lets just hope that there will be not too many suicide bombings.

People who are standing in a row waiting to vote are perfect targets for murderers.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: SOB on January 30, 2005, 02:43:19 AM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Kinda the point of having an election ... isn't it?

OK, good point.  Beyond Iraq, who really gives a watermelon what the Iraqis think? :p
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: JB88 on January 30, 2005, 02:52:46 AM
civilized persons, i suppose.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: SOB on January 30, 2005, 04:45:11 AM
Yeah, and I don't wear Right Guard either.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: mechanic on January 30, 2005, 04:55:35 AM
man, i think im with SOB on this one.

i really dont give two chits.

get it over with and find some 'news' to report.


Iraq, iraq, iraq.

Boring, Boring, Boring.

its good that a 'victory' has come from this nasty business, but i wonder how long it will last.


America and Aliies, but its time to cut your loses.

let them kill eachother for a few years, then go back when we run out of oil.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Holden McGroin on January 30, 2005, 05:11:35 AM
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Originally posted by mechanic
i really dont give two chits.


But maybe you do give one?  I knew you cared on a pseudo-freudian-cathexistic level.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Holden McGroin on January 30, 2005, 07:37:15 AM
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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Millions of Iraqis turned out to vote Sunday, defying anti-U.S. insurgents determined to drown the historic poll in blood.

Suicide bombs and mortar fire shadowed the event, the first multi-party election in 50 years, killing at least 22 people. But still voters came out in force, many with resolve, some with fanfare and others with their faces hidden.

Even in Falluja, the devastated Sunni city west of Baghdad that was a militant stronghold until a U.S. assault in November, a slow stream of people turned out, confounding expectations.

"We want to be like other Iraqis, we don't want to always be in opposition," said Ahmed Jassim, smiling after voting.

In Baquba, a rebellious city northeast of Baghdad, crowds clapped and cheered at one voting station. In Mosul, scene of some of the worst insurgent attacks in recent months, U.S. and local officials said turnout was surprisingly high.


Outstanding
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: JB88 on January 30, 2005, 07:42:16 AM
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Originally posted by SOB
Yeah, and I don't wear Right Guard either.


i would hope not.  that stuff is ghastly.

please dont tell me you wear old spice.  oh please oh please.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: DREDIOCK on January 30, 2005, 07:46:25 AM
Wow. Even the NY Times is headlining this as one of its headlines



"Big Turnout in Baghdad Points to Success in Iraq Voting "

And CNN whos reporting has been largely negitive on the elections from what I've seen is even saying this

" With polls nearing closing time in Iraq's historic election day, Iraqi election officials are reporting a turnout of 72 percent nationwide, despite a spate of attacks and threats aimed at disrupting the vote. At least 16 people were killed in a string of attacks, some of which targeted voters waiting in line to cast their ballots. "

72% nationwide. We dont get nearly that kind of turnout here.

Guess you can "force a democracy" on a people after all

(http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/sub_iraqvotes.jpg)
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: JB88 on January 30, 2005, 07:55:09 AM
a.  i dont see why that would surprise you.  again, just because you disagree with something on principle... i.e. lie or present false data to justify an action doesnt mean that you dont want the best possible result.  

b.  having an election does not a democracy make.  oh no.  thats a long, long road.  

but this is definately a start, unfortunately the bloodshed isnt over by a longshot.

the nice thing seems to be that the iraqis seem to appreciate it more than we do.
(the vote)

today is thier day.

theyve earned it.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: DREDIOCK on January 30, 2005, 08:11:37 AM
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Originally posted by JB88
a.  i dont see why that would surprise you.  again, just because you disagree with something on principle... i.e. lie or present false data to justify an action doesnt mean that you dont want the best possible result.  

b.  having an election does not a democracy make.  oh no.  thats a long, long road.  

but this is definately a start, unfortunately the bloodshed isnt over by a longshot.

the nice thing seems to be that the iraqis seem to appreciate it more than we do.
(the vote)

today is thier day.

theyve earned it.


Im surprised only by the positive coverage of these particular media outlets

What was it I was dissagreeing with on principle or presented false data on??

Your right one election doesnt make a Democracy. But it is a start.
And at 72% I'd say a farly substantial one.

They appreciate it because its somoething they havent had in a very long time I would imagine.

For us its become almost old hat. so we take it for granted
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Shuckins on January 30, 2005, 08:25:55 AM
There appears to be a large voter turnout, even in Sunni areas.  Much larger in fact than "some" news sources and political pundits have predicted.

An unbiased observer might see this turnout as a repudiation of Saddam's regime, with its massacres, fostering of international corruption, and thumbscrew/acid-bath justice system.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: JB88 on January 30, 2005, 09:00:01 AM
god i hope so.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: mora on January 30, 2005, 09:31:08 AM
British C130 down near Baghdad:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/4220649.stm
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Eagler on January 30, 2005, 09:46:14 AM
WTG Iraqi ppl!

the birth place of freedom in the ME

WTG Bush!
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: OneWordAnswer on January 30, 2005, 09:55:16 AM
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Originally posted by mora
British C130 down near Baghdad:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/4220649.stm


^^^
Disconsolate.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: ramzey on January 30, 2005, 10:01:56 AM
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Originally posted by NUKE
I wonder. If this free Iraq thing happens, what will the free Iraqis  think of the efforts of countries like France, Germany, Canada, and Spain to help make it happen.


hate them
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: rabbidrabbit on January 30, 2005, 10:24:39 AM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Why did the man attack a horse?  I'm calling PETA.



It's a cultural thing man, here we just "attack" sheep.  There it's the horses with those long svelte legs that grab the attention.
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: Thrawn on January 30, 2005, 12:00:43 PM
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Originally posted by ramzey
hate them


Especially the Spainish that helpped "liberate" there country eh?  :rolleyes:
Title: History in the making in Iraq
Post by: NUKE on January 30, 2005, 12:12:04 PM
What would you think of a group of firemen who started to help battle a blaze in your home, then turned and ran outside and gave up?

The rest of the world would let Iraq burn. Only a brave few really took a stand and helped Iraq, while the rest stood by.

Yes, this is a great day for Iraq and the middle east. Hopefully people in other countries will  what has happened in Iraq and have hope.