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Title: Pos!@#!
Post by: WldThing on January 30, 2005, 05:46:40 PM: In over 4-5 years ive been playing this game, i havent whined on this BBS ONCE.. But of course there is a time for everything..

And my fricken issue is this Puffy ack, i've lost yet another 262 due to it.. Traveling along 15k up, one ping and your back in the tower, what kind of watermelon is that... I've lost countless planes due to this.. Jeez...

rant off...
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Post by: RedDg on January 30, 2005, 06:06:43 PM: I give it a 3.
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Post by: Waffle on January 30, 2005, 06:07:34 PM: but it looked good exploding, right?
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Post by: StarOfAfrica2 on January 30, 2005, 06:15:39 PM: Quote
Originally posted by RedDg
I give it a 3.

Chalk that up to lack of exercising the whine muscles. Granted, even without practice, this is a well worn topic and research could have given him a better score. Even a quote, or a threadid ref. Still, his first whine on this (and the fact he managed to include a 262 in the post) ............. make it a 5.
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Post by: Roscoroo on January 30, 2005, 06:36:17 PM: i gotta give it a neg score ...

1st there was no build up .... how much did the hairdryer cost ya ..
the careful flight pattern ,with muliable kills on it ..
And no mention of trying to avoid the ack ..

-2 on my whine'O'meter .
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Post by: 68DevilM on January 30, 2005, 06:57:01 PM: i think this gripe has been disscussed more than any other, and you should know the answer to this by now wldthing.

but heh look on the bright side

at least the puffy ack looks real cool now:aok
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Post by: Ack-Ack on January 30, 2005, 07:17:58 PM: Yeah, sure puffy ack is a pain in the bellybutton but weren't the majority of the planes lost due to AA fire in the real war? And why is it hard to fathom that it is possible for one ack burst to take out a plane? Since when is it required that you have to have multiple ack hits before your plane becomes damaged?

The only really issue I have with the acks is that they seem to be modeled with proximity fuses and fired my 88mm flak guns. In real life, 88mm didn't use this ammo as the Germans didn't use proximity fuses.

ack-ack
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Post by: Blue Mako on January 30, 2005, 07:25:06 PM: AH ack does not work like the ack IRL. Check the "Puffy ack request" thread in gameplay forum. The ack in AH works by drawing a box around your plane and then randomly dropping ack into it. No aiming, loading, firing, fusing etc. None.
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Post by: Waffle on January 30, 2005, 07:30:20 PM: wow - one of the coolest releases was 2.02 - 2 days ago....

and already back to whining.....lmao.

Glad to see some things never change....
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Post by: JB66 on January 30, 2005, 08:17:48 PM: And no threat to quit if it's not fixed tomorrow... but the puffy ack does look good
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Post by: streetstang on January 30, 2005, 08:38:20 PM: Lost a tempest to it the other night.

Was going over the top and poof.

Sucks but its here to say.
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Post by: 6GunUSMC on January 30, 2005, 09:41:52 PM: I lost 3 262s today presumably to mental illness... any chance for a refund?
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Post by: Kev367th on January 30, 2005, 10:01:26 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Yeah, sure puffy ack is a pain in the bellybutton but weren't the majority of the planes lost due to AA fire in the real war? And why is it hard to fathom that it is possible for one ack burst to take out a plane? Since when is it required that you have to have multiple ack hits before your plane becomes damaged?

The only really issue I have with the acks is that they seem to be modeled with proximity fuses and fired my 88mm flak guns. In real life, 88mm didn't use this ammo as the Germans didn't use proximity fuses.

ack-ack

The 367th FG lost 5 P38's in one sortie to ack.
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Post by: Wolfala on January 30, 2005, 10:55:56 PM: Ok, let me show you how to gripe:

YO, HT - check this out. Last night, before the mass execution we have all come to love as "having our bellybutton UDP'd back to desktop" - yea, so we can all look at porn for 10 minutes to kill time to login again. Yea that thing. Well, I had a 7 man flight of 262's up - yes NO **** - 7. Mmm hum...yes I understand the internet is an unpredictable place and connection problems happen...Mmm hum...ok, tell you what then. You give myself, Wipple, FX, Hub, Psbryguy, igshill and the other dude our points back - and i'll make sure to pay the bill on time this month. Mmm hum...oh an RV8? Thats awesome, does it have an inverted oil system? Ok good deal - remember to reinstate those perks. Yea you too.

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Thats how you gripe.

~~Wolfala~~
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Post by: WldThing on January 30, 2005, 11:51:41 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Waffle BAS

and already back to whining.....lmao.

Glad to see some things never change....

Glad to see someone scored high on his ACT's..

Anywho you guys cant rank me, ive been here longer than any of you :D Bastiges.. Plus my whine was my first, and it was one well worth the 165 perks i lost...
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Post by: Raider179 on January 31, 2005, 12:02:49 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Wolfala
Ok, let me show you how to gripe:

YO, HT - check this out. Last night, before the mass execution we have all come to love as "having our bellybutton UDP'd back to desktop" - yea, so we can all look at porn for 10 minutes to kill time to login again. Yea that thing. Well, I had a 7 man flight of 262's up - yes NO **** - 7. Mmm hum...yes I understand the internet is an unpredictable place and connection problems happen...Mmm hum...ok, tell you what then. You give myself, Wipple, FX, Hub, Psbryguy, igshill and the other dude our points back - and i'll make sure to pay the bill on time this month. Mmm hum...oh an RV8? Thats awesome, does it have an inverted oil system? Ok good deal - remember to reinstate those perks. Yea you too.

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Thats how you gripe.

~~Wolfala~~

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Post by: Schutt on January 31, 2005, 02:36:33 AM: My problem with the puffy is the range.. having it right over enemy installations ok no problem... just fly around them... but its over a wide area around installations... id just like it fire on a smaller area.
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Post by: Scaevola on January 31, 2005, 03:51:02 AM: At least with this version you get a chance to wave good bye to your hard earned perk points as you float to the ground and watch your 262 spin into oblivion.
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Post by: tactic on January 31, 2005, 04:40:01 AM: I Popped a 262 a while back in a ships ack gun... it was outa icon range too! ;) fun stuff!! :) HAIL to the ACK!!!
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Post by: FiLtH on January 31, 2005, 05:32:07 AM: Many times Im in a bomber wading thru the stuff, wondering how Im not getting hit. And other times Im in a fighter and blam Im hit. You just never know which round has your number. Kinda cool I think.
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Post by: Delirium on January 31, 2005, 06:07:02 AM: I must be lucky, I have taken only a single ping from puffy ack couple years ago and I have never been downed by it.

Maybe I'm lucky but I can understand the frustration if you have lost a few aircraft to it.
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Post by: sax on January 31, 2005, 07:14:52 AM: It's worse in this version , I was at a base next to the water and had to rtb. climbed up to 4k to get over the hills , flew about 3 min and droppped into a valley back down to 2 k. The stuff was still pinging me.
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Post by: lazs2 on January 31, 2005, 07:57:56 AM: I believe that the ack should be 100% effective on any plane over 5k above ground level.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's
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Post by: Jnuk on January 31, 2005, 08:03:35 AM: ya know, i dont think ive EVER been hit by it while flying a bomber.
course i dont fly bombers all that much, but still I fly one occasionally.
odd
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Post by: killnu on January 31, 2005, 10:27:21 AM: ive been hit by the crap 12 times this month...last i checked...may have gotten me once more. either way, i am a puffy ack magnet.:mad:

guess that what i get for flying them darn little fast fighter planes.
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Post by: jpeg on January 31, 2005, 10:35:29 AM: I've had my fair share of hits against me by "puffy ack" but I love it and would hate to see it go.

It adds a sense of realisim as I'm bombing a base and see puffy ack all around me.
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Post by: Roscoroo on January 31, 2005, 01:51:16 PM: Reminds WldThing ... Hey your allowed 2 wpm's (whines per month)
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Post by: SlapShot on January 31, 2005, 01:58:06 PM: Nice to see that there is one thing in this game that can 1 ping WT to the tower.
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Post by: VWE on January 31, 2005, 02:10:52 PM: The faster you fly, the more accurate poofy ack becomes... I've never lost a buff to poofy ack but I've lost quite a few 262's to it.
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Post by: JTs on January 31, 2005, 02:19:43 PM: having never lived long enough in nme territory to see puffy ack i may have to post a mission and get about 25-30 people to escort me over thereto see what this is all about
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Post by: Heater on January 31, 2005, 03:15:09 PM: hummm....

I think I would not fly my 262 in the puffy ack...if I was you....but hey it's just a thought

:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: killnu on January 31, 2005, 03:27:53 PM: Quote
The faster you fly, the more accurate poofy ack becomes

isnt that kinda messed up?
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Post by: VWE on January 31, 2005, 03:37:11 PM: Yes that is messed up but its true...

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I think I would not fly my 262 in the puffy ack...if I was you....but hey it's just a thought

Any base that you get within 10k of you have the potential of getting poofy ack whacked, so I'd laugh at your ignorance but that would be cruel.
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Post by: Heater on January 31, 2005, 03:43:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by VWE
Yes that is messed up but its true...

Any base that you get within 10k of you have the potential of getting poofy ack whacked, so I'd laugh at your ignorance but that would be cruel.

that's what you get for vulching !
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Post by: hitech on January 31, 2005, 03:50:27 PM: The faster you fly, the more accurate poofy ack becomes

Is only a rummor, and is totaly incorect. Acctualy it works the other way around.

HiTech
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Post by: john9001 on January 31, 2005, 03:57:33 PM: puffy ack never hits me , i ignore it, by the way, what is the "262" you speak of?

pee thurty ate pielot
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Post by: MOIL on January 31, 2005, 04:09:00 PM: IMO if you're going to have "Puffy Ack" make it a manable gun battery postition.
You can jump into shore batteries and field guns, why not 88's?
Have 88's {or whatever} used by players, most people can live with getting shot down by another player vs some random AI kill.

(http://www.speculumtemporis.de/panzerregiment25/Pics/8,8-cmFlak36-SdKfz7-2.jpg)
(http://www.naritafamily.com/Scalemodel/reference/Aberdeen/Flak36/Flak36_01.JPG)

Just a thought
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Post by: VWE on January 31, 2005, 04:21:52 PM: Quote
Is only a rummor, and is totaly incorect. Acctualy it works the other way around.

Oh really HiTech? I'd be more than happy to send you a flim of me manuvering at 550mph in a 262 and getting ack whacked... better yet, test it out yourself. Go speeding over a strat target in a 262 and watch that ack zero in on you.
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Post by: wombatt on January 31, 2005, 04:27:39 PM: I thinks it's the luck of the draw on when or if you get hit by puffy ack.
I have been hit a few times by it and yes it pisses me off.
But on the other hand I think I would have to have a really good reason to fly a perk ride over puffy ack or any ack for that matter.
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Post by: StarOfAfrica2 on January 31, 2005, 04:32:26 PM: Quote
Originally posted by VWE
Oh really HiTech? I'd be more than happy to send you a flim of me manuvering at 550mph in a 262 and getting ack whacked... better yet, test it out yourself. Go speeding over a strat target in a 262 and watch that ack zero in on you.

ack whacked?? ROFL :rofl

And this was because........what, you ran out of targets to ram? Hehehehe. :D
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Post by: VWE on January 31, 2005, 04:39:01 PM: SA2, I can't help it that I keep you and Jamusta from landing very many kills, both of you have have the unfortunate knack of flying right in front of my gun sights. :rofl
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Post by: Redd on January 31, 2005, 04:57:02 PM: Quote
Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
ack whacked?? ROFL :rofl

And this was because........what, you ran out of targets to ram? Hehehehe. :D

They are not rams and HO's SA2 , they are front quarter deflection shots.

Perfectly legitimate tactics for the LW, and historically accurate. Furthermore , they are flying undermodelled planes and therefore should not be expected to seek a gun solution anywhere approximating the rear of the opponents plane.

Please do not refer to them as rams and HO's - they are front quarter deflection shots. (it's just might seem that you are dodging HO's while they are doing their deflecting)
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Post by: hitech on January 31, 2005, 04:57:55 PM: VWE: I don't make statements like I did with out testing.

HiTech
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Post by: Delirium on January 31, 2005, 05:03:21 PM: Why have I only taken a single ping from puffy ack EVER and have never been downed by it?

Is it a connection/bandwith issue? I tend to try to avoid the ack but by previous replys that doesn't seem to work.

Why am I lucky in this regard?
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Post by: StarOfAfrica2 on January 31, 2005, 05:14:59 PM: Quote
Originally posted by VWE
SA2, I can't help it that I keep you and Jamusta from landing very many kills, both of you have have the unfortunate knack of flying right in front of my gun sights. :rofl

I do my part to bravely protect my fellow countrymen by making you use as much of your ammo as possible!

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Originally posted by Redd
They are not rams and HO's SA2 , they are front quarter deflection shots.

Perfectly legitimate tactics for the LW, and historically accurate. Furthermore , they are flying undermodelled planes and therefore should not be expected to seek a gun solution anywhere approximating the rear of the opponents plane.

Please do not refer to them as rams and HO's - they are front quarter deflection shots. (it's just might seem that you are dodging HO's while they are doing their deflecting)

Ermmm, who mentioned HO's? But since you are here ::pulls out a dollar:: :D

And if you want to get technical about using HO as a tactic, it was used by the Brits during the BoB first. The LW "acquired" the tactic from them. Much like they did France. Matter of fact, there was a quote from a famous LW pilot, spoken as he dove head on into an oncoming B-17, triggers held down and throttle firewalled................

Went something like "YOU WANNA SEE AN HO?? I'LL SHOW YA A HO YOU M***********R".

Or maybe I just heard it in the MA, cant remember.
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Post by: kevykev56 on January 31, 2005, 06:22:27 PM: HiTech,

We have stats on aircraft. We know how they work ie. Stall, speed, turn characteristics. But AI88s are all shrouded in secrecy it seems.

If a few simple questions were answered maybe some of us would be happier, I know I would.

1. What are the hit criteria?
2. Can I do anything to decrease my odds of getting hit while flying in AI88?
3. Is it going to change/become manned?
4. Why does ack follow me instead of my intended path prior to a jink?
5. Will my own base puffy stuff hit me?

Bombers cant move easily and should be an easier target to hit than a fighter that is maneuvering. There should be a penalty for flying straight and level and there seems to be none. It all seems to be just a random number. Not being able to effect the outcome is what I believe makes us upset about the AI88s.
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Post by: Wolfala on January 31, 2005, 08:00:58 PM: Hey guys,

I think most of the old hands can accept this theory as the drivers did in real life. The golden bb - you never see it - you never know when it will get you. But sometimes you just have a bad day and its yr time.

If so, go back to the tower, take a day if its yr 262, RE-up and go strafe some panzers in the 262. Atleast you know where its comming from :)

~~Wolf~~
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Post by: VWE on January 31, 2005, 08:30:06 PM: Quote
VWE: I don't make statements like I did with out testing.

O.k. point taken, sorry for the blanket accusation. But to get downed in a 262 by poofy ack more times than I can remember and never having to worry when I'm in a buff is opposite what it shoud be.
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Post by: Heretik on January 31, 2005, 10:11:19 PM: I sure love dying to an AI gun in a multiplayer game.
Title: Re: Pos!@#!
Post by: Lizard3 on January 31, 2005, 10:16:20 PM: Quote
Originally posted by WldThing
In over 4-5 years ive been playing this game, i havent whined on this BBS ONCE.. But of course there is a time for everything..

And my fricken issue is this Puffy ack, i've lost yet another 262 due to it.. Traveling along 15k up, one ping and your back in the tower, what kind of watermelon is that... I've lost countless planes due to this.. Jeez...

rant off...

Its not puffy ack, its guided missles that track perks. The stronger the perk signiture the better it tracks. To verify, take a big fat bomber and circle a CV group for a while. How long till ya get hit?

Bigmax was chasin a con a few months back. He was in a Tempest. Other guy flew over CV group. I warned him. POOF! There goes max. He just logged off and saved my ears.:D
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Post by: moot on January 31, 2005, 10:22:06 PM: IF the AI's flak shells have the same velocity as the manned ones, there's something completely wrong with the instantaneous "box" modeling of the shell explosions.
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Post by: LePaul on January 31, 2005, 10:27:59 PM: Hey! That's a HiTech imposter! Not a typo to be found! :D :p
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Post by: killnu on January 31, 2005, 11:08:23 PM: 14 friggin puffy ack kills in one month!? is there anyone out there with that many? :mad: :mad:

this is quite pathetic.

seems the more i complain, the more it happens...
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Post by: StarOfAfrica2 on January 31, 2005, 11:21:17 PM: As I said in another thread..............

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I dont know, maybe Storch infected me with his conspiracy disease. I just cant help but wonder sometimes, if HT and Pyro and some of the others dont sit around reading all our whines on the BBS about how crappy this FM is or how much we hate the guns on that plane, and (just to play with us) make constant, minute changes in the FM or the lethality of guns and purposely dont say anything. Could happen you know.

I can just see them, sitting around a computer with this SLIDER on the screen that controls the accuracy and another for the lethality of the puffy ack .....................

"Oooh oooh, there's VWE! Frag that bastige!"

I know I would.
:D
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Post by: Flayed1 on January 31, 2005, 11:26:53 PM: I rarely get hit by the puffy stuff but I think the last time I did it exploded right in front of my canopy, put a hole in it and gave me a GD pilot wound!!!!

:rofl :rofl :rofl

The only time the puffy has naild me good was my own fault for flyin my 26's 2K above a fully manned CV ;)
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Post by: Lye-El on February 01, 2005, 09:35:04 AM: Is it possible that some of what you attribute to "puffy" ack is actually manned ground fire? I do, on occasion, hit something at 2K out? Not very darn offen though. I can also put the crosshairs on the prop hub of an aircraft coming straight at me starting at D1500 and never hit him as he passes over me at D5 if I survive..

I have not seen hardly any bombers get hit when attacking, heck, they turn around and come back!
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Post by: WldThing on February 01, 2005, 11:06:58 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Wolfala

If so, go back to the tower, take a day if its yr 262, RE-up and go strafe some panzers in the 262. Atleast you know where its comming from :)

I would but im down to 14 perks :D
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Post by: AWMac on February 01, 2005, 11:22:35 AM: Quote
Originally posted by hitech
The faster you fly, the more accurate poofy ack becomes

Is only a rummor, and is totaly incorect. Acctualy it works the other way around.

HiTech

Huh??? You mean the faster the Puffy Ack goes, the slower you'll fly?

Whoa dude, that's deep...
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Post by: kevykev56 on February 02, 2005, 10:41:33 PM: Quote
Originally posted by kevykev56
HiTech,

We have stats on aircraft. We know how they work ie. Stall, speed, turn characteristics. But AI88s are all shrouded in secrecy it seems.

If a few simple questions were answered maybe some of us would be happier, I know I would.

1. What are the hit criteria?
2. Can I do anything to decrease my odds of getting hit while flying in AI88?
3. Is it going to change/become manned?
4. Why does ack follow me instead of my intended path prior to a jink?
5. Will my own base puffy stuff hit me?

Bombers cant move easily and should be an easier target to hit than a fighter that is maneuvering. There should be a penalty for flying straight and level and there seems to be none. It all seems to be just a random number. Not being able to effect the outcome is what I believe makes us upset about the AI88s.

Are there no answers to these questions? Twice tonight I die from puffy stuff. The worst one was after I survived a 2 on 1 encounter in a 110 vs a Spit and P38. Following the second kill I was AI'ed, no celebration, no beer after the flight. I know this horse is dead but this is just stupid. Why can these questions not be answered?