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Title: Even if they could....
Post by: jEEZY on February 03, 2005, 02:07:03 PM
Let us assume, for the sake of argument that the terrorists (lets keep them generic for the time being) could aquire an atomic device (as opposed to a nuclear device) I wonder:

(1) would they have the necessary technical expertise to deliver and detonate the weapon?

assume yes to the above

(2) would it help or hinder their cause--would they not use such a weapon for political reasons, e.g. massive retaliation, loss of allies? or

(3) would they detonate it without thought of the consequences? and where assuming they only get one (Isreal? UK? US? Australia? EU?)

Thoughts?
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: Raider179 on February 03, 2005, 02:11:20 PM
I remember reading somewhere that bin laden's "number" of infidel deaths they were trying to create was 250,000. Think this is related to when he got the fatwah from a saudi cleric that "authorized" the use of nukes and the like. This is the alledged number of muslims killed by non-muslims.
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: GtoRA2 on February 03, 2005, 02:13:34 PM
1 Yes, if they get one they will know how to set it off.



2 Yes they will use it, it will hurt their cause. It would change many people minds about he religion of peace.  



3 prolly a Major US city.
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: lazs2 on February 03, 2005, 02:29:09 PM
well... if they blew it up in the U.S. it would probly just bow up a bunch of blue county voters.

lazs
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: T0J0 on February 03, 2005, 02:35:24 PM
1:  Someone with knowledge will teach them how to deliver the bomb

2: Bin Laden is brilliant he would use a nuke if it furthered his cause and it would..

3:ObL's objective was explained as being  detonations in 3 US cities which would in turn cripple the US economy and send us into a depression, all based on the fall of the USSR after thier radioactive accident that crippled the economy...

God forbid
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: john9001 on February 03, 2005, 02:37:43 PM
is the bomb going to have the big red LED countdown counter? and will the hero cut the red wire with 1 second to go and save the world?  huh ..huh.. will he?
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: jEEZY on February 03, 2005, 02:40:02 PM
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Originally posted by john9001
is the bomb going to have the big red LED countdown counter? and will the hero cut the red wire with 1 second to go and save the world?  huh ..huh.. will he?


We all know its the green wire...no wait [sweating profusely]..the yellow wire...damit which wire!!!
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: Holden McGroin on February 03, 2005, 02:42:43 PM
Perhaps they would detonate it inside Fort Knox Gold Depository, irradiating all the gold within and causing the value of the gold that they posess to increase in value.
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: Furball on February 03, 2005, 02:48:42 PM
they dont really need a nuke, just a "dirty" bomb.  much less complex and easier to deliver.
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: Sandman on February 03, 2005, 02:51:01 PM
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Originally posted by Furball
they dont really need a nuke, just a "dirty" bomb.  much less complex and easier to deliver.



Yeah, but if body count is the goal, they need the real thing.
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: jEEZY on February 03, 2005, 02:53:19 PM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Perhaps they would detonate it inside Fort Knox Gold Depository, irradiating all the gold within and causing the value of the gold that they posess to increase in value.


sounds familiar....
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Post by: mosgood on February 03, 2005, 02:54:09 PM
hmmm....  I would think a primary target would be a major israeli city...  but ya never know.....  hopefully
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: jEEZY on February 03, 2005, 02:55:41 PM
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Originally posted by Furball
they dont really need a nuke, just a "dirty" bomb.  much less complex and easier to deliver.


from what I have read a "dirty bomb" has its own technical difficulties, and questionable effectiveness (as far as actuall causalties) I will try to dig up a link.

I reamin unconvicned that they would have the expertise to detonate it--it is not as simple as lighting a fuse.
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: jEEZY on February 03, 2005, 02:56:47 PM
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Originally posted by mosgood
hmmm....  I would think a primary target would be a major israeli city...  but ya never know.....  hopefully


Why not Baghdad?
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: GRUNHERZ on February 03, 2005, 03:00:44 PM
It's silly toassume that the world's freedom fighters would eve use such weapons. It's much more likely that thje CIA would detonate sich a weapon in one of our big cities so we can use it as a pretext for a war to build a methane gas pipleline across the great high desert of Turkmenistan.
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: Holden McGroin on February 03, 2005, 03:10:17 PM
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Originally posted by jEEZY
sounds familiar....


I was at the meeting where they actually were discussing it.  

They told one of the volenteers who would lose their life setting the bomb that they would enter the paradise in the afterlife and be aawarded 72 virgins.  Or as they put it, "You will have P-ssy Galore"
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: jEEZY on February 03, 2005, 03:11:49 PM
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I was at the meeting where they actually were discussing it.  

They told one of the volenteers who would lose their life setting the bomb that they would enter the paradise in the afterlife and be aawarded 72 virgins.  Or as they put it, "You will have P-ssy Galore"


was teh meeting "For Your Eyes Only"?
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: john9001 on February 03, 2005, 03:18:39 PM
what muhammed wrote was " many white grapes" it was miss-translated to "72 virgins"
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: OIO on February 03, 2005, 03:38:46 PM
I dont think they will use it against a city.

See, if they nuke a city they KNOW the entire fargin world will come out after them and anhiliate them.

They know a nuked city would mean the US and every world power and organization (British Commonwealth, China,  Russia,  India, Pakistan, NATO, *sigh* UN, EU) and every arab nation that will be scrambling to offer their help in destroying those responsible to avoid getting invaded and annexed (oh yeah a nuke throws off all rules) would be coming after their hides with a vengeance.


No, they wont nuke a city to cause massive deaths. Remember 9/11 happened in the WTC and Pentagon because it was a symbol and it would create the biggest shock... they couldve just as easily thrown airliners against places who wouldve had a buttload more people in them.

If they use a nuke it will be against a symbolic landmark that would cause little casualties (little is relative..its a nuke we talking about). So id say mt rushmore or a civil war fort ..anything 'american' thats a good distance from a big populated area.

or against a military target of both historic and economic value.. like someone said above, nuke fort knox and you take out a tank school and gold reserve.
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: JB88 on February 03, 2005, 03:39:50 PM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
It's silly toassume that the world's freedom fighters would eve use such weapons. It's much more likely that thje CIA would detonate sich a weapon in one of our big cities so we can use it as a pretext for a war to build a methane gas pipleline across the great high desert of Turkmenistan.


you should send that to the pentagon.

brilliant.

the gay bomb idea was a bust, so im sure that they are looking for new stuff.



:p
Title: Even if they could....
Post by: AWMac on February 03, 2005, 03:45:35 PM
They would not detonate the bomb in Isreal for fear of killing their fellow Hamas Freedom Fighters.  So my guess would be in the middle of the U.S. to get the most effect.  

I'm thinking maybe:

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